Nothing about the music Mark? I had the impression that it's an Aaron Sorkin + David Fincher + Trent Reznor & Atticuss Ross movie. The fantastic music took the movie to a whole other level.
Aaron Sorkin is praised so much. It becomes easy to question why. I direct them to this script. He tells the story in a way that is both classic and quintessentially modern. With poetic dialogue.
The row race is a super important character moment for the Winklevoss twins. It's shot that way to show how much tension they were feeling at that moment. Had they won, they probably wouldn't have bothered to sue Mark and history would be different.
Not a facebook user and I rather loathe it, still I found this film entertaining and interesting. To me, that's a good film. Anyone can preach to the converted.
Director David Fincher delivers his finest film in this finely acted, brilliantly scored & so perfectly written biopic that is one of the best films I’ve seen. (100%) (5/5 stars) (positive)
@trentkill I watched "Inception" the other night and absolutely loved it(certainly the best "blockbuster" I've seen in years!)!HOWEVER I can`t really agree with you that it "breaks new ground" as whilst watching it it brought to mind The Matrix,Total Recall and even (and possibly especially) Dreamscape(1984,by the way!)When it comes to best picture I'm very much in the camp that snappy dialogue and a great screenplay should win over technical excellence
This was a pretty good movie, but I hated the ending. After watching him be a complete asshole for the entire film - particularly to women - having a woman tell him he's not really an asshole to end the film was nonsensical and a complete cop out.
@DirectorToby agree with you there. To me, it looks like the sequence was shot on on DSLR, most likely the Canon 5D MkII , because of the use of tilt-shift and shallow depth of field.
I wish Mark Kermode had done a smidgen of research about the film before presuming to lecture us on the birth of Facebook, the screenplay was written based on a book (the Accidental billionaires) which is not even accurate enough to qualify as reportage. In other words the screenplay sets out to intentionally dramatise the tone of events *to the extent of deliberately misrepresenting events to make a more interesting film*.
Saw this film in the cinema and thought it was amazing. Seen it about 5 times and I still love it. I'm a big fan of dialogue and the dialogue in this film is so great. I kind of agree with Kermode about the boat race, but it didn't bother me that much. A genuinely brilliant modern film [and NOT because it's about Facebook] Fincher should've won Best Director Andrew Garfield should've been nominated for Best Supporting Actor. Well done Kermode for giving him that Kermode award :)
@Casarzino They should give an opinion but it does not always have to be clear. Mark Kermode usually shows you what he liked and both disliked about the film and expresses that he wants you to watch the film yourself and decide what YOU both like and dislike about the film.
@TT2088 How can you not recognize that the narrative of this film harks back to Shakespearean and Greek tragedy(Ok to make sure I'm not accused of being pretentious I will elaborate(slightly).It is the classic tale of betrayal i.e "Et Tu Brute" and (surely you`ll get this) is also very much a theme of latter day gangster films).I also find it incredible that you cannot differentiate between "high school movies" and a film with a beautifully crafted Aaron Sorkin screenplay?
i agree with him, fantastic film, final 10 minutes or so are very underwhelming, i dont think the story ever quite had the sharp edged ending which it needed
@skinwalkerxxx I didn't really comment on the actual story just the dialogue and sreenplay,although Aaron Sorkin himself says he was drawn to the film by the very fact that the story was one "as old as storytelling itself".Being that it was based (with perhaps some dramatic embellishment) upon actual events, you have to concede that maybe some things become cliches because they touch on something fundamental in human nature.
@17R3W It had everything got to do with the film. Losing in the rowing along with everything else that was going wrong for them pushed them to the end of their ropes. All that frustration forced them to sue zuckerberg against their will, which was a major plot of the film. Its not that difficult to understand.
@skinwalkerxxx Ha,ha! This is similar to the discussion that I had with "Trentkill" about Inception in which I pointed out that it didn't break any new ground storywise.They commented that "there's no such thing as an original film" which,in the most part,I have to agree with.For me what sets "The Social Network" apart from other films with similar themes IS the great direction and fantastic dialogue.I can't help it I'm a fan of both Fincher and Sorkin(I still mourn the loss of The West Wing)!!
@MrSeattlebound "the characters are amazingly deep and they do not care about each other, just money" - Contradiction in terms? I've never met someone who doesn't care about people yet retains an air of profundity. And yes, Ernest Hemingway is an exception to this.
@trentkill Fair comment.Still don't really agree that making something that achieves coherency can really be viewed as breaking new ground in cinema,though.
No it is not a contradiction, the characters in this film are real because they don't care about each other which is why they sued Mark Zuckerburg in the deposition meetings. If they cared about one another then the deposition meetings would have never happened at all. The fact that the money tore them apart is what made the film dramatic and real, and the characters are deep and complex. If they all had perfect relationships then there would be no movie at all.
@booster330 You could easily cut out the race, and go directly to the post race gathering where they discovered Facebook was in the UK, and not miss anything critical.
@smithhedgehog I enjoyed the film.I just don't agree with Trentkill that it was particularly "groundbreaking".The truth is that if it made sense at the end(which for me it did) then the very least it achieved is "coherency".
@shunka9 I'll do go back to watch Inception. But to me the director seemed to want to do something original. It just that sometime playing with concepts can become mental masturbation wich is what to me Inception was. I did not enjoy it very much, It was like I was watching Matrix Reload again. Now we have Social Network wich goes for characters instead. But it just didn't connect with me, I kept waiting for it to surprise me and it did not.
I appreciate all you say, but as a response to my comment it is a load of babble. I was concerned with the idea of the characters being deep in spite of their being fixated on money. The film is very highly strung and might have been punctured by a couple of moments showing the main characters acting sympathetically, so while it may be good flick, to say the characters are deep seems a stretch to me.
@JackRabbitSlim yeah i agree with No Country For Old Men, Pan's and There will be blood. Lord of the rings are good franchise movies, but its not as smart as the above 4. Plus the 3rd LOTR dragged on way too long. I think it still counts in 00's
I saw it on DVD a couple of weeks ago and I agree with Kermode. It's impressive, but the fact remains that you'd end up like Heston's astronaut in 'Planet of the Apes': "Somewhere in the universe there has to be something better than man. Has to be!"
I'm gonna get murdered for this but I didn't think the rowing sequence was that necessary either. I mean it was a FLAWLESSLY edited sequence, but it didn't quite work, in my opinion, with the rest of the movie.
@theunusualsuspectstv Well technically it was made in 2010 so it's not part of the 00's, but anyway...The Lord of the Rings trilogy (in particular 1+3) are imo the best films of the 00's, the Social Network is a great film, one I have watched a good few times now, but there have been quite a few better in the 00's decade, including No Country For Old Man, Pan's Labyrinth, There Will Be Blood
@lowfatevil I believe the whole thing was shot in 4k, with the RED camera. They probably wouldn't drop down to 1080p for one scene. You can see a picture of them shooting here: filmdetail dot c o m /2010/09/29/the-social-network-in-henley-and-windsor-david-fincher/
Zuckerberg was using English grammar to mock their name and turn them into a plural. So instead of two Winklevosses you have the collective noun neologism of Winklevii. Nine years late this answer , hope it has not been torturing you all this time.
I liked how this movie started out with the rapid fire nerd speak, and how half the audience groaned because they realized it wasn't going to be some dumbed down piece of shit. I really liked this movie and everyone around me, but everyone near me was shifting uncomfortably at all the big words.
ok i gave this a thumbs up.HOWEVER Mark is a blow hard. If he cut off all the big arm movements and overacting,keep in mind,hes not a actor.These reviews would go alot faster
As much as I think this movie is great, it is definitely not an accurate portrayal of Mark Zuckerberg. I'm not Zuckerberg fan but he is definitely not a social akward genius portrayed
I found A Social Network to be a mediocre film which over dramatised what most probably occurred in real life. It was a film which left me thinking, the plot was ok but so what? the characters seemed pretty one dimensional no matter how well the film was directed, and Jesse Eisenberg was unbelievable as a character.
As much as I respect Fincher's talent as a filmmaker, I hated every second of this film. In terms of narrative fiction, there's nothing I care less about than a bunch of avaricious, preening little loadsamoneys bickering over who came up with the idea for a multi-million dollar business.
This movie has a great big gaping hole in it. The real story that is far more pertinent and in the publics interest to be told is that of the CIA's financial sponsorship of the creation of Facebook.
No word of Andrew Garfields incredible performance though
Nothing about the music Mark? I had the impression that it's an Aaron Sorkin + David Fincher + Trent Reznor & Atticuss Ross movie. The fantastic music took the movie to a whole other level.
The rowing sequence was jaw dropping, loved it.
one of the smartest and sharpest scripts ever written
Aaron Sorkin is praised so much. It becomes easy to question why. I direct them to this script. He tells the story in a way that is both classic and quintessentially modern. With poetic dialogue.
As was his great series 'The Newsroom"--clever, intelligent, witty, fast-flung dialogue.
The row race is a super important character moment for the Winklevoss twins. It's shot that way to show how much tension they were feeling at that moment. Had they won, they probably wouldn't have bothered to sue Mark and history would be different.
Best film of the last decade and one of my favorites of all time.
Well…
No.
PauLtus B i disagree.
Which decade?
Loved this film. LOVED IT! .. Saw it 4 times when it came out to theaters.. With different friends and family..
Best of all time..?... Not sure.
Bold statement
Such a brilliant film, seen it dozens of times, a film that really makes you think
My favorite movie of all time.
I agree with what he says about the speed of the dialogue, really struggled to adjust to that at first.
Not a facebook user and I rather loathe it, still I found this film entertaining and interesting.
To me, that's a good film.
Anyone can preach to the converted.
the film is not even about facebook, its about two friends who's relationship ends horribly due to facebook
Thanks for putting this up! Can't wait to see this
Director David Fincher delivers his finest film in this finely acted, brilliantly scored & so perfectly written biopic that is one of the best films I’ve seen. (100%) (5/5 stars) (positive)
@trentkill I watched "Inception" the other night and absolutely loved it(certainly the best "blockbuster" I've seen in years!)!HOWEVER I can`t really agree with you that it "breaks new ground" as whilst watching it it brought to mind The Matrix,Total Recall and even (and possibly especially) Dreamscape(1984,by the way!)When it comes to best picture I'm very much in the camp that snappy dialogue and a great screenplay should win over technical excellence
great film...I have to say this and it's never a good time, but I love Mark's suits...so sharply dressed.
Mark Kermode is a great reviewer
This was a pretty good movie, but I hated the ending. After watching him be a complete asshole for the entire film - particularly to women - having a woman tell him he's not really an asshole to end the film was nonsensical and a complete cop out.
@DirectorToby agree with you there. To me, it looks like the sequence was shot on on DSLR, most likely the Canon 5D MkII , because of the use of tilt-shift and shallow depth of field.
I wish Mark Kermode had done a smidgen of research about the film before presuming to lecture us on the birth of Facebook, the screenplay was written based on a book (the Accidental billionaires) which is not even accurate enough to qualify as reportage. In other words the screenplay sets out to intentionally dramatise the tone of events *to the extent of deliberately misrepresenting events to make a more interesting film*.
Watch the film again and see how much different it is from the first time you saw it
Saw this film in the cinema and thought it was amazing. Seen it about 5 times and I still love it. I'm a big fan of dialogue and the dialogue in this film is so great. I kind of agree with Kermode about the boat race, but it didn't bother me that much. A genuinely brilliant modern film [and NOT because it's about Facebook]
Fincher should've won Best Director
Andrew Garfield should've been nominated for Best Supporting Actor. Well done Kermode for giving him that Kermode award
:)
@Casarzino They should give an opinion but it does not always have to be clear. Mark Kermode usually shows you what he liked and both disliked about the film and expresses that he wants you to watch the film yourself and decide what YOU both like and dislike about the film.
@TT2088 How can you not recognize that the narrative of this film harks back to Shakespearean and Greek tragedy(Ok to make sure I'm not accused of being pretentious I will elaborate(slightly).It is the classic tale of betrayal i.e "Et Tu Brute" and (surely you`ll get this) is also very much a theme of latter day gangster films).I also find it incredible that you cannot differentiate between "high school movies" and a film with a beautifully crafted Aaron Sorkin screenplay?
i agree with him, fantastic film, final 10 minutes or so are very underwhelming, i dont think the story ever quite had the sharp edged ending which it needed
@skinwalkerxxx I didn't really comment on the actual story just the dialogue and sreenplay,although Aaron Sorkin himself says he was drawn to the film by the very fact that the story was one "as old as storytelling itself".Being that it was based (with perhaps some dramatic embellishment) upon actual events, you have to concede that maybe some things become cliches because they touch on something fundamental in human nature.
@17R3W It had everything got to do with the film. Losing in the rowing along with everything else that was going wrong for them pushed them to the end of their ropes. All that frustration forced them to sue zuckerberg against their will, which was a major plot of the film. Its not that difficult to understand.
@skinwalkerxxx Ha,ha! This is similar to the discussion that I had with "Trentkill" about Inception in which I pointed out that it didn't break any new ground storywise.They commented that "there's no such thing as an original film" which,in the most part,I have to agree with.For me what sets "The Social Network" apart from other films with similar themes IS the great direction and fantastic dialogue.I can't help it I'm a fan of both Fincher and Sorkin(I still mourn the loss of The West Wing)!!
@MrSeattlebound "the characters are amazingly deep and they do not care about each other, just money" - Contradiction in terms? I've never met someone who doesn't care about people yet retains an air of profundity.
And yes, Ernest Hemingway is an exception to this.
Isn't this "chubby hmm" moment the reason people would watch a movie about Facebook in the first place?
@Casarzino that's because he's an objective reviewer. You don't have to be subjective when reviewing a film.
@SuperYellow1989 "the facebook" was the actual original name
I love this movie! Kermode is making good points, but I definitely don't agree with them
@trentkill Fair comment.Still don't really agree that making something that achieves coherency can really be viewed as breaking new ground in cinema,though.
No it is not a contradiction, the characters in this film are real because they don't care about each other which is why they sued Mark Zuckerburg in the deposition meetings. If they cared about one another then the deposition meetings would have never happened at all. The fact that the money tore them apart is what made the film dramatic and real, and the characters are deep and complex. If they all had perfect relationships then there would be no movie at all.
@booster330
You could easily cut out the race, and go directly to the post race gathering where they discovered Facebook was in the UK, and not miss anything critical.
Simon Mayo
Yes
@smithhedgehog I enjoyed the film.I just don't agree with Trentkill that it was particularly "groundbreaking".The truth is that if it made sense at the end(which for me it did) then the very least it achieved is "coherency".
@DirectorToby
I thought was good, but that it didn't fit with the rest of the film.
It was like a short music video dropped in the middle of the film.
No mention of how the "biographical movie" had little to do with reality.
3:44 - Was he trying to be philosophical or is it only plain sexism?
@trentkill you're right. god i want Inception to win as well
Possibly the best film of the Noughtie's, such a well made film that is like a modern shakespearian story
@TulseLuper id say finchers best is between se7en and fight club
@shunka9 I'll do go back to watch Inception. But to me the director seemed to want to do something original. It just that sometime playing with concepts can become mental masturbation wich is what to me Inception was. I did not enjoy it very much, It was like I was watching Matrix Reload again. Now we have Social Network wich goes for characters instead. But it just didn't connect with me, I kept waiting for it to surprise me and it did not.
I appreciate all you say, but as a response to my comment it is a load of babble. I was concerned with the idea of the characters being deep in spite of their being fixated on money. The film is very highly strung and might have been punctured by a couple of moments showing the main characters acting sympathetically, so while it may be good flick, to say the characters are deep seems a stretch to me.
@JackRabbitSlim yeah i agree with No Country For Old Men, Pan's and There will be blood. Lord of the rings are good franchise movies, but its not as smart as the above 4. Plus the 3rd LOTR dragged on way too long. I think it still counts in 00's
Its not just about discovering facebook in the UK. You obviously dont grasp how it ties in with the film.
He spent half the review trying to coin the term "chubby hmm". What? You won't see that in the Oxford dictionary anytime soon.
Incorrect. Half the review would have been (rounding up) four minutes. The 'chubby hmmm...' interlude was less than 01:30.
And, in the beginning, there was trolling... Let there be like...
theres no conclusions by him, still dont know if its worth seeing or not,
I saw it on DVD a couple of weeks ago and I agree with Kermode. It's impressive, but the fact remains that you'd end up like Heston's astronaut in 'Planet of the Apes': "Somewhere in the universe there has to be something better than man. Has to be!"
I'm gonna get murdered for this but I didn't think the rowing sequence was that necessary either. I mean it was a FLAWLESSLY edited sequence, but it didn't quite work, in my opinion, with the rest of the movie.
Chubby? Hmm.
It was a really good, watchable movie but I don't think it's quite the masterpiece it was made out to be by some people
More than anything it's one of the greatest screenplays of all time
@theunusualsuspectstv Well technically it was made in 2010 so it's not part of the 00's, but anyway...The Lord of the Rings trilogy (in particular 1+3) are imo the best films of the 00's, the Social Network is a great film, one I have watched a good few times now, but there have been quite a few better in the 00's decade, including No Country For Old Man, Pan's Labyrinth, There Will Be Blood
Its funny as hell when he talks about misogyny, and slips Cronenberg instead of Fincher.
To be fair, he was also discussing Jeff Cronenweth, the cinematographer, at the same time. So, it didn't come out of nowhere.
@TulseLuper Spot on. Spot on.
@lowfatevil
I believe the whole thing was shot in 4k, with the RED camera. They probably wouldn't drop down to 1080p for one scene. You can see a picture of them shooting here:
filmdetail dot c o m /2010/09/29/the-social-network-in-henley-and-windsor-david-fincher/
Was this movie like Pirates of Silicon Valley ( with Bill Gates)?
Agree
@theunusualsuspectstv social network i mean
what does winkelwii mean?
Zuckerberg was using English grammar to mock their name and turn them into a plural. So instead of two Winklevosses you have the collective noun neologism of Winklevii. Nine years late this answer , hope it has not been torturing you all this time.
Doesn't SHE break up with HIM?
Doesn't excuse his behaviour but does explain why he might have been angry ...
Hmmm, but what percentage of the 500 million goes to Stanford, Harvard etc? Your arguement is still argumentum ad populam.
I have left FB.......
I liked how this movie started out with the rapid fire nerd speak, and how half the audience groaned because they realized it wasn't going to be some dumbed down piece of shit. I really liked this movie and everyone around me, but everyone near me was shifting uncomfortably at all the big words.
i liked the boat race
Good!
ok i gave this a thumbs up.HOWEVER Mark is a blow hard. If he cut off all the big arm movements and overacting,keep in mind,hes not a actor.These reviews would go alot faster
40 milion people think Britney Spears is better than Bod Dylan ,Might doesnt make right
@Casarzino fair enough :)
@smithhedgehog I get it.
As much as I think this movie is great, it is definitely not an accurate portrayal of Mark Zuckerberg. I'm not Zuckerberg fan but he is definitely not a social akward genius portrayed
I found A Social Network to be a mediocre film which over dramatised what most probably occurred in real life.
It was a film which left me thinking, the plot was ok but so what?
the characters seemed pretty one dimensional no matter how well the film was directed, and Jesse Eisenberg was unbelievable as a character.
@shunka9 it acheived no coherency though - it was pseudo intelectual codswallop
I thought that it was a good film and it had a great script. and there were some excellent performances from Eisenberg and Garfield
The film Zodiac is actually based on bull crap. Tom Horan has picked Grayson apart since I was originally wowed by Zodicrap
What an odious man
GREATEST FILM OF ALL TIME
@trentkill
Trent SMASH!
As much as I respect Fincher's talent as a filmmaker, I hated every second of this film. In terms of narrative fiction, there's nothing I care less about than a bunch of avaricious, preening little loadsamoneys bickering over who came up with the idea for a multi-million dollar business.
To each his own
If I can tell a film’s screenwriter by the dialogue then the screenwriter is doing something wrong.
all of his reviews should be titled: pointless rambling....
That's half the fun, but he really knows his Films !
i have to say that this is a pretty terrible review... he barely reviews it at all. just talks about random things bah
@trentkill inception was a load of wank
This movie has a great big gaping hole in it. The real story that is far more pertinent and in the publics interest to be told is that of the CIA's financial sponsorship of the creation of Facebook.
With all respect to anyone who thinks different, but to me this movie was a piece of shit.
Jokully this isn't about opinion.. you're just factually wrong xD