ALL WHEEL DRIVE swap DISABLES THE ENTIRE TRUCK
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I've been talking about AWD swapping my silverado for a very long time, and its finally done. Sure, there are lots of 4wd truck out there, but very few true all wheel drive sport trucks exist. My COPO stepside will now join the ranks of the GMC Syclone, GMC typhoon, Silverado SS, or Trailblazer SS. While 4wd is useful off road, or even in a straight line at the drag strip, with a 4wd truck you can't turn on pavement with 4wd engaged, as it will bind up and possibly break parts. Just like an Audi, WRX STI, Porsche, Lamborghini, or any other all wheel drive performance car, the COPO silverado will now be able to send power to all four wheels all the time, even while driving on pavement, plus there's no waiting for a 4wd actuator to engage. All wheel drive, all the time.
chapters
0:00 It's FINALLY AWD time
2:25 the parts I'm using
4:53 GM 8.25 IFS Front Diff Swap
9:26 NV149 Install
14:38 Unanticipated Issues
19:53 Surprise Solution
#awd #copo #supercharged - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
It's nice to see you working the way most people have to, no lift and laying on the floor. Goes the show you don't need fancy equipment to do high quality custom work.
Without safety glasses too! Always regret it when the odd piece of debris makes it’s way into my eye/s but still don’t wear them. 😆
Honestly as a diesel mechanic working on semi trucks I don't know many shops that actually have truck lyfts. Everything I do is on the floor clutches differential reseal engine over hauls brakes suspension. I'm talking semi trucks like Peterbuilt kenworth freightliner. Honestly working on the ground is actually easier then a stupid lyft. it's also faster then a lyft anyone that thinks mechanics working in a shop is easy is clearly inexperienced. I mean most mechanics do side jobs on the weekends and when me as a diesel mechanic I do road calls out of a tiny truck meaning I fix the trucks that break down on the side of the road. Most mechanics while doing side jobs generally don't have air compressor or a lyft we do it the same way as any other person just trying to get their car running the difference is we have much more knowledge on how to work without fancy shit I mean primitive tools. There was a time when lyfts didn't exist ND u just worked on the cars cus it's fun
Other than the expensive scan tool he doesn't have to diagnose and fix the electronic issue...
@@alfredoibarra9825 Same.. Mine were on my head under my colorado im ls swapping and a random waterfall of fuel came out of the feed line into my eye hahaha
Like they work in India. The oil contaminating the water system. Eventually, it all ends up in the water system.
so glad the AWD conversion is finally done. Who all is going to LS Fest in Vegas next week?
Ill be there
It's the bcm. You should be able to unplug everything 4wd, yank every 4wd fuse, including the front diff fuse, and disconnect the battery for 10 min. When it powers back on and sees nothing from 4wd it then ignores it from then on. Same deal with the 2500 burbs auto ride. It's fully electric, not air, and has to have a ton unplugged, removed, etc. If you don't do the bat reset it goes into theft mode.
all joking aside you know this for a fact? does it also disable all the 4wd codes that will be thrown or does it actually disable the entire system alltogether and the ecm and bcm just play along and not store codes for missing modules, actuator codes etc etc? and what years is this verified on? seriously interested.
is this like the 10,10,10 trick to "reprogram" gm ecus from the junkyards into another car without having to get the key programmed,vin number and all that jazz?
i also heard you can do the 10,10,10 trick and as soon as you start the car/truck for the very first time and you yank the bcm plugs really quickly and it basically just turns off security alltogether .. havent verified that last one yet but i did hear something like that.
@@gregthemechanicman I know it for a fact. I've done it for the 2500 suburbans on 5 2000 to 2002s. First one I did went into theft mode. You can also reprogram the bcm with the rpo codes using a tech 2 and you don't need to worry about the trick. However the trick only works for deleting things, if you add something to the system it has to be programmed in or all hell breaks loose. I was explained by a gm tech it was designed as a failsafe mode that when all signals are lost from an onboard system, if in an emergency, you can do this to get it home.
@@davemcdaniel4856 Yup! I’m a GM tech too. When things are taken out that the bum is programmed for, it doesn’t like it. Some of the older bcms, you can use the tech 2 to unselect options thus fixing any issues from removing or unplugging components.
Im glad you explain in detail the trials and tribulations, the decision making process etc. great video.
Im working towards 80e and AWD swapping my own 03 RCSB 4x4 and watching your videos gives me a little what to expect when i dig into my own project.
Thanks man
If the transfer case is manual with stick on the floor can the original 4x4 front differential work?
@@Pitman556 yea that would be the oem set up, floor shift t case is meant for a 4WD front diff
@banginracing awesome. I didn't know if the manual tcase front differential was any different from the electric tcase. Was hoping I would just need the nvg149 and the front driveshaft. Not the front differential
LT, I really miss the real Power Block and all you guys doing the projects, I looked forward to it every Saturday. I am stoked I found your channel and have been a faithful fan ever since. One of my favorite projects was Project Red Tide, this truck is a perfect homage to it! Cant wait to see how you do at LS Fest, Keep up the great work!
Wow I just realized he was on powerblock with Stacey
They have a channel on Roku
@@lawabidingdad I don't think he actually worked with Stacey. Stacey left in the mid00s, right before Jesse and Ian started Extreme 4x4.
Correct, never worked with Stacey, but heard plenty of stories!
I chuckled at the "Don't spill" when you nearly flipped the drain pain over.
I'm excited to see how many neutrals the 4l60 comes home with. Lol
As long as I can make one or two good passes down the quarter mile, I can winch it on the trailer for all I care
@@LawrenceTolman full send is what I like to hear!! Good luck 👍
It'll probably have pnnnn.
My bet is on PNN3N1 for gears. The sun shell is a known weakness.
Man, I can't wait to see this thing rip! That is an ideal build for a mini truck. Hope the times clean up with the AWD Swap!
There was a channel like two years ago that did an awd and manual swap on an s10. You can get a lsd for those, too.
Great job, LT....and nice truck! You make things look very simple.
Killer build! I've been watching every episode of it
Very cool LT can’t wait to see how it is with that conversion and the new wrap
My arms are shoulders are sore just watching you. Good work👍🏿
I had never even heard of the viscous coupler AWD transfer case till I looked it up to see how it works. Fascinating stuff.
This reminds me of a truck GM High Tech Horespower mag did in the early 2000's. It was a plain white truck and hurt a lot of feelings. The transfer case was the awd/denali style.
Great video LT! Looking forward to seeing the wrap next!!
Coming soon!
Can’t wait to hear about your LS Fest and how well your truck did good luck!
Love the build! Keep it up, man!
I'm popping popcorn to read all the posts from the know it all's.
Great work LT I know how you feel wrestling the TC out I did the same on the ground to fix pump rub on my 246... great effort
Can't wait to see the COPO at LS fest! Stoked for you.
Man, LT, I love this kind of stuff. I'd love to someday turbo charge my 2014 Tacoma. Maybe someday..... Keep up the great work man.
My pro charged Silverado SS AWD is amazing. First AWD truck I have had. I put Nokian snows on it and it is a rally car in snow while hauling my sled in the bed.
Love the fact you are still laying on your back and doing work like 85 % of us are good stuff should be killer ,I have a 93 gen 4 I've thought would be killer all wheel drive
I'm actually happy to see you working on your back, under the truck like normies. The vloggers that buy lifts and say, "See, you can do it to", are just so uninspiring. What you're doing is truly inspiring even if one doesn't have a garage.
So funny to see a'guy do all that work to a truck and be all kinds of upset about a security light 😂
Out hooning and interact with a Utah LEO and explain it... Drive it like you
Great video LT!
When I did my manual transfer case swap in my 2000 Silverado, I grabbed the harness from the fuse box to the transfer case from the donor truck. Then you don't have all the plugs possibly wrapping up in the front shaft and/or ugly zip ties
You throwing that much power at that 4L60 with no tire slipping as a cushion IS GOING TO GRENADE FAST!!
if it does, it goes. We've got a 4l80 ready to replace it!
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So glad I found you, look forward to more content. Best wishes!
Thanks so much!
I still like calling it the "Tyclone". Cool build though!
Looking forward to some AWD donuts!
me too!
In love with this swap. I'm wanting to do an H2 transfercasr in a denali lol 😆
That looked like so much fun pressing that diff in place! I was waiting for the rust to drop into your eyes, sorry.😝
Glad it that security light is off.. keep up the good work I will keep watching
About 11 minutes in... I can remember similar struggles with the transfer case remove and replace I did on my 2003 Silverado SS. Arm up over the frame brace, saying "OK,,,, rrrrrppppp eeeeeppppp oooooorrrrrgggghhhh, WHEW!" It was like watching myself back in time LOL! Have fun!!!
Nice good job you make it look so easy !!
I figure those 4.30s were a good call, it's a good compromise with an overdrive. Sounds in a happy place there.
Yup, I’m loving the 4.30s
I never questioned why as for a long time I've wanted to create a modern Typhoon out of a Blazer Xtreme as I never thought I'd have gotten an actual Typhoon. Swapping the 2wd frame for a 4x4 Blazer Zr2 frame and converting to AWD, turbo'ing the 4.3L V6 and even try using the GMC Jimmy headlights and grill with the Xtreme bumper. Although now I have my Typhoon.
This actually isnt the first one out there, maybe as a stepside bed model, but I've seen a few. And its the best idea ever...
Great video, by the way, what is the number of that extra capacity (long) AC oil filter ?
Enjoying this build! Maybe you can get some average mpg and of course trap speed times with the 4l60 & compare to the 4l80. Good stuff here!
Love this concept.
This truck is slowly but surely becoming bad ass. This channel should be way bigger than it is, mabey a collaboration with other TH-camrs would get it out there🇺🇲🏁
Why do this? Because you're the man damn it! You're killin it! Fantastic idea and thank you for sharing!
I've been wanting to get a Tech 2 myself. I heard the Chinese ones are just as good as the name brand ones. I have enough GM vehicles that it's worth owning one.
Also, I've found that key on(10 mins), key off (10 mins), key on (10 mins) then off and start sometimes will clear security issues that I can't work around with HP Tuners!
Built an 01 SCSB stepside AWD Turbo truck back in 2012, fun truck.
Guys this guy mean business no joke and most of his job is better than buying new parts when he make his own parts
Loving all these videos LT! I always wanted to do a similar swap, glad you’re the guinea pig!! Haha
You’re really good on camera. It’s like you have experience… wait a minute! 😂😂😂
Salúdame, Te conocí por PowerNation en Español 🤭 en especial por el vídeo del Viper vs F-150 ambas Tuneadas, Me encanta tu programa (en español) porque aprendes de automóviles pero bien explicado paso a paso, Otro ejemplo cuando construyeron el Camaro 92, Muy buenos programas, El que más me encantó fue el de la Ram 3500 modificada porque no cualquiera le mete mano a un Diesel para correrlo en competición para meterle 1000 hp
thank you for watching, I loved building the Ram 3500 Cummins diesel truck, that was one of my favorite trucks!
Respect doing all of this by yourself.
thanks!
I had a 2004 SSS and loved that truck. I always felt GM missed an opportunity when they did not make a SCSB SSS. I excited for you over this build it hold a special fondness for me! Good luck and I hope the transfer case goes on as easy when you get your 4L80 swap in.
I don't understand your abbreviations. Can you explain?
@tjmoneybags hes saying 2004 SSS ( It's Silverado SS) they were Awd. General motors missed the chance to produce a SCSB (Single Cab Short Bed) SSS ( Silverado SS).
I can't wait to see it with the 4l80!
props for doing this work without the benefit of a car lift!
I love your videos! I have a 2004 awd suburban I am wanting to lsa swap. Not sure how my tcase will hold up since it is the (nr4)
"Nice time to get a cramp" hahaha been there!
On the security problem. Depending on what the computer seen. You have to go through so many valid key operations. Basically just use the factory key multiple times starting and driving it.
But this is the coolest truck being built on the net right now. Good job on it.
LT would more weight in the rear of the truck bed keep the wheels from spinning so easily?
One of my favorite builds. Aside from that red obs you built
I love how you still use matco tools, reminds me of you in power nation
very interesting swap.
Did you go in to system on hp tuners. Special options. And then get rid of break talk. Traction control. Whatever else you have on there?
Cyclone reborn, Good shit. can't wait to see her rip.
i got a question i have a manual shift transfercase 261 can i put a awd front diff and use the 261 transfercase as selectable awd?
If I have a 4x4 with a floor shift and 5speed manual trans, if I were to do this conversion would I be able to shift from 2/Rwd to Awd with the floor shifter..??
When you were replacing the 4x4 switch with that little opening, I was wondering if you may have forced an issue by unplugging while the key was on. Not sure at all, but that's what I was thinking.
that did occur to me after the fact, it probably didn't help. I should've disconnect the battery before doing anything
Will this conversion work on a 2002 Silverado that has a manual 4x4 transfer case?
I have run into issues with the wiring between the passlock sensor and BCM connector 2 B3 is the pass lock voltage.
Project "black tide" lol
exactly. and this one I get to keep
@@LawrenceTolman and an nbs too so even better!
@@AjarZzzz thats debatable
@@GMCJay_lly true!
That pocket that you put in there would be a great place to put the stock 01-02 escalade traction control button... use it as a momentary switch with a latching relay for a scramble button or something.
Do you know if the AWD donor happened to have the same wire harness as the 4WD? I want to go the opposite route and swap a 2 speed transfer case, switch, etc into a 2007 AWD Denali. I’m hoping GM used the same harness and just left the wires taped up behind the dash. Maybe swap the tccm and some reprogramming.
That's a bit of heavy lifting from the floor 💪 😳 ouch. But worth every but of effort put into the project once done.
4:30 ratio is pretty good for the 4l60e. Not sure what 1st gear is for 4l80 but I bet it's a good ratio.
Have a good week !
1st gear ratio is 2.482, for the 4l80E.
That would drive me nuts to. Easy to hide it or dc bulb but id still lay awake wondering why??
LT I've been watching this series cause I'm in the middle of a 04 escalade AWD project. Waiting to see how you incorporate the 4l80 as that's my plan eventually. It's going to be a stroked 5.3 with a single turbo
Are you going to be able to control the power or Torque ratio for front and rear diffs. Like 40% in the front diff and 60% in the rear? What generation Denali did you get the awd parts from?
Want to do an awd conversion on my 86 f150 ls swap, any ideas? And would the awd transfer case work with an nv3500 set up for 4wd?
the NV149 should work with an NV3500 as long as it has the same 27 spline output shaft like a 4l60... not sure myself though on what the NV3500 is like
Been looking around for this conversion to
do this with my 4 wheel drive 96 Sonoma
Highrider ext. cab. I just want something different.
2500/3500 frames are only missing a couple front mounting brackets. Converting from auto to manual is very easy. Already got 4 conversions done and still on the road. Yes cruise still works
What transmission would you use for a manual swap? With the T56 transmission found in the Corvettes work?
@@sethh8892 NV4500, it can bolt up to the 6.0L/ 5.3: engine block. This same transmission also bolts up to the die hard Cummins 5.9L. Very easy to self rebuild the transmission. You just need to make sure you get a NV4500 that is setup for GM applications. Also make sure to get the cross member for the manual. T56 is good if your aim is a fast cruiser/ burnout maker.
@Lawrence LT Tolman @@sethh8892 with these years the gear ratios 4L80E compared to NV4500. 4L80E ratios :
1: 2.482
2: 1.482
3: 1.00
4: 0.75
R: 2.077
NV4500 gear ratios
1st = 5.61
2nd = 3.04
3rd = 1.67
4th = 1.00
5th = 0.75
R = 5.04
Manual can work with heavier loads than automatics. With a manual trans the system can operate without issue just running 110amp alternator. Automatic systems need 130amp+ alternators. Engine will also run cooler as it is not having to cool the trans as well. Compared to automatic no power is lost between engine and the tires. You don't have to worry about automatic doing the shift panic when you are between gear hauling going uphill.
If you plan on staying with the 4L80E then do every cooling upgrade you can. Two to four quart extra capacity aluminum deep dish pan for transmission. These upgrades work for me; Tru-cool model# 47391 , Cool Case model # GMT569A , TSI model# 4L80DPK-A .
@@frostybandit1 I'm pretty sure there is power lost between the engine and the rear tires regardless of what style of transmission your you use, this is simply due to basic laws of thermodynamics. There is always heat generated from the transmission and therefore that means there is energy transfer, which means there is energy lost from the load of the trans. But I can definitely see a manual transmission being more efficient, as it's not relying on fluids, only direct gearing.
@@frostybandit1 Also, this is going to be for a race application. I've never heard of the NV4500, do GM vehicles have these stock? Or are they just conversion kits?
It's a awesome build.
The coupler in that transfer case is a bear to find. I had mine rebuilt by a guy on ebay and it has been working perfectly for the past 5 years since the rebuild. It only needed rebuild because the chains had stretched and needed replaced.
red tide inspired me to do a AWD conversion on my 98 k1500. sourced a escalade fron carrier assembly and escalade tfr case cheap. question, could i just swap the passenger side axle carrier for the one off the 4x4 tfr case so i dont need to build a custom mount?
I’m almost positive you can do that. It would save a ton of effort for sure.
@@LawrenceTolman An update. Swapping the axle housing worked! Just got the install finished today with an NP149 i found cheap. Front shaft came from an escalade donor. Needed the shifting bracket bent to clear but it seems to work well. Thanks for all the information!
So I had seen one of your previous videos where you stated what vehicles had the right t case. I found, and aquired the t case from an 05 escalade. Planing to put it in my 2000 silverado behind a 4l80e (I know that requires some modification) . But the t case I got is actually a bw4481. Will this still work like the nv149? Or am I better off calling it a loss and paying alot more for an nv149?
the 4481 isn't as good as the NV149, it will work exactly like an open diff in a rear axle. there is a chance it will send all the power to the front or back at some points.
I think the procedure to relearn key is key on for 10 mins then cycle switch to off repeat 3 times. The truck prob saw 3 successful key cycles then reset its self. Ignition switches are kinda finiky. Awesome swap! My wife loves her 03 Denali 6.0 awd
If you are already tuning the vehicle with HP tuners then why not just disable the VATS?
@@beetlebuilder5882 who steals gm junk anyways lmao!
Where did you get the 4.30s for the front diff? Interested in rehearing my self on my 4wd
from Nitro gear
Dude , you need belltech sway bars and street performance shocks at the very least .
Or atomic fabrication coilover conversion for the front
I actually already have the atomic fab coil over setup, just haven’t installed it yet
Awesome! That’s probrably my next phase . Belltech sway bars ( for the ss) we’re a huge improvement on my 4x4 crew cab I think with the 800 lbs less weight of your truck they would be a good bit better
Truck is phukn sick man, hell of a job.
thanks!
I believe you can set that light to no error reported with VATs disabled and the security light should go off. Maybe I am misremembering but I think that is how I did that.
I assume you pulled the battery cables for a couple hours?
Wow still has the original front rotors i see. Only last a few years up here in the northeast. I would replace those bearings in the AWD front diff and check the threaded adjustment locks. They always go bad in the AWD vehicles somewhere after 100k and ruin a case half when they spin out.
Take the bulb out of the security light 😂
It's not really alight it's a small message screen.
@@michaelsimpkins631 oh damnit I forgot those had the message screens. I’m stuck in the 90s with my car lol 😂
What color are the wires that you connected to transfer case for the spedometer
The dimascus knife is pretty sweet.
Most likely something going on in the bcm on the passenger side, did you check hpt to see if there's any function to disable 4x4 settings? Semi easy fix might be to swap the bcm and ignition of of the same year non 4x4 or awd truck
Edit: just saw the last clip of the video at the end lol
Need help with speed sensors what color did you use and which one
I have a NP149 from a SS and I don’t have the front diff on so my rear wheels are not engaging. Do I have to have the front diff connected to get power to the rear? I have it removed since the rear and front is different gear ratio
You’ll cause damage to the viscous coupler if you operate it without the front driveshaft, Is get the gears corrected and the front driveshaft in asap
AWD. This thing is so awesome.
with that GM communications network if I remember right, there is a start and an end. I think some networks loop, but anyways with that if you delete a module from the network depending on where it is in the network you might end up deleting another modules communication to the network or even several modules by accident then also some modules need to be reflashed to no longer communicate with the module you have deleted. all modules still connected to the network will set codes saying they have lost communication with the modules disconnected and the modules disconnected will not communicate because they no longer have a path to the data link connector. it sounds like you have a broken link in your communication chain and that may be fine for what your doing or you might run into communication issues. pull up a diagram of the communication network and see if anything has to pass through the 4x4 module.
So i now know you could swap that out, is it possible to swap a single cab n bed to a cadillac escalde frame with the all with AWD setup.? I been wondering if it possible or not.
Do you think the awd buttons would be usable?
Another thing great about using the awd setup....NO electrical gremlins...
Arent all these 'awd'? My dads had auto 4x4, is that not the same?