Winchester Miroku 1886 Maintenance / Lubrication
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2024
- Lubricating the Winchester 1886 Miroku . . . I'll give my thoughts on lubrication. Grease or oil? I'll discuss the UltimaLube 2 oil and grease products from Wilson Combat and share what a couple of my favorite TH-camrs say about lubrication . . . Hickock45 and GunBlue490. Then we'll wrap up with a BOOM down at the pond.
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My dad was a small arms instructor in the Canadian army and he was a firm believer of the 'minimal' use of lubrication. I think I may use a bit more than he would have liked but I was taught gun maintenance with Hopps. Even today it's all I use.
Some of my other Canadian viewers have pointed out that in the bitter cold, any amount of lubricant will turn to sludge and affect firearm function. Maybe that is where your dad as coming from.
Thanks for mentioning Gunblue. He's my number one for information, hands down.
Yep, that man is the real deal. Btw, my wife's cousin was the Charlie Rich of "Behind Closed Doors" fame.
@@TargetSuite Haha yes just a pseudonym, but that is pretty amazing! Never in my top 10 but the man could sure sing. Yes I rewatch gunblue every morning before work, going on two years probably. Keep up the good work yourself and happy Father's Day!
Great. Thank you for the video. So now the 1886 has been checked, cleaned and lubricated. You even tested it against a pumpkin and it seams to do just fine. So now it's time to go for the world record in something using the most lovely and fearsome 1886 Winchester.
BTW: Thank you for your fight against fruit and vegatables. Everytime you take one out it means I don't have to eat it :) Long live steaks and guns.
Hahaha! Right now, I am mixing up what may be two world record batches of Jello, one red and one green. Not sure how many pumpkins they will fill, but I think it safe to say "enough". Any remaining pumpkins will be filled with water. I will just need another cold night tonight to set up the Jello, and a break in the rain tomorrow to make the shot. Should be EPIC! I might also throw in another "how many" shots with the Marlin 39A. It just won't be with pumpkins -:)
I learn lots from each of your videos. And, of course, they are fun to watch! I like pumpkin pie, but anything else with pumpkin is kind of weird.
Weird like the pumpkin spiced almonds we got HAHAHA!
I had to come back and watch this and your previous video again. I just picked up an 1886 (Pedersoli). It's a beautiful rifle and jaw dropping out of box accuracy. The action is smooth with just a little binding, which after a few more rounds and a good oiling I'm sure it will be glass smooth. I like my Marlin 1895 but the 1886 has so much more soul. Problem is it's almost too pretty to take out into the field. Thanks for your videos!
That Pedersoli is lovely. You won't have to deal with the Winchester safety.
I drown my guns in CLP. Then on any camming surfaces, I use Gunslick grafite greese. I lay or prop gun at an angle to allow excess to bleed out onto a rag for a day. Next day slather outside with generous CLP or other gun oil. Let it soak in a bit and wipe down with a clean rag, but leaving a visible sheen. We get all four seasons in a day in PA. Never had a gun fail from too much lube. But had them rust from too little. I like your presentation style. Thanks
Sounds great for moderate climes, but extremely cold weather will turn that "excess" lube into sludge that hinders operation of your firearms. My channel friends from farther north (in Canada) alerted me to that issue. They have to run their guns almost dry during the winter, then lube up when more reasonable temps return.
I use a brake cleaner (carefully) remove all factory, or existing lube. First thing I do is use Corrosion-X on all metal parts. But it’s not a lube. Then I use a light Teflon based grease on high friction parts. And a lighter lube on the rest of all of my firearms.
For pistols, such as Glock, I use the light Teflon based grease, on the lubrication areas and Barrel. I do thst because oil will migrate out.
I also mirror polish some non-dimensional critical, high friction areas, but some firearms only.
I find on lever guns, it’s hard to beat an older Winchester for smoothness. But I can come close with Rossis. But they always seem never to quite match my Winchesters, or Marlins.
If I’m shooting, or hunting in the rain, I will wipe, or spray down my entire firearm with Corrosion-X, or Breakfree-CLP. I’ve had success in preventing rust with both. But the Corrosion-X seems to work best.
I’m Not advertising for any brand. That’s just what I use and have had success with. I have family members that like Ballistiol. I don’t. But I shoot and train year round, rain, shine, snow, hot weather, or whatever conditions come, or I can create. The goal is to hit whatever I’m shooting at no matter what.
I’m also trying out a Lucas product. So far, I’ve had some success with it. But it can’t match grease, and doesn’t seem to be any better than Breakfree. But I have 2 AR-15s that I lubricated each one with a different one. I’m going to see how many rounds in each before they get too dirty to be reliable.
Sounds like you have a plan, and a good one at that. I personally don't care for Ballistol either. But then I haven't used it extensively either like some of the "believers".
Good video. Thanks for posting. Your lube regime is like my own, as is the amount of lube you use. Liked the slow-mo pumpkin at the end. You can see the splashes of the bullet skipping across the pond.
Thanks. If you like the skipping part you should watch my early videos on the little Dictator mortar. I skipped some steel balls across the pond right at the camera. The images and sound are amazing!
I have a Browning (Miroku) 1886 Carbine and like you I'm very conservative with the lube. Thanks for another informative and fun video.
Great rifle! I think it is Hickok45's favorite rifle.
Good videos. I came over after Buffalo said something and here I was, watching another one of your videos.
Haha! Thanks for giving my channel a look!
Great job thank you for sharing! 👍🏾😀❤️🇺🇸
Thanks!
Just found your channel a couple of days ago and I subbed and I also subscribe to the guys you mentioned and I'm older than all 3 of you. For lubrication I just use white lithium grease applied sparingly with the swabs and one of those little bitty paint brushes. I bought a one pound tube of it 20-30 years ago and have used it ever since. It's bought and paid for so I use it and it has worked for me. May not be the best. Anyhow I enjoy you videos-keep them coming!
Thanks David. I think those steel surfaces aren't as snobby about slick'em as we are. But, and this is a big one, I used the Wilson grease (very sparingly) on the slide surfaces of my old High Standard Victor and the best way I can describe it is that their "grease" which is a liquid, got sticky and the slide started moving in slow motion. No more Wilson grease for me.
I used something like that on my 1911 once and once the solvent in it that made it somewhat liquid evaporated it almost made my pistol inoperable
Yep. I think that is what happened to me as well.
Look it's the flying pumpkin charlie brown, great video always good knowledge passed along.
Thanks
Haha! Thanks!
Great info and pumpkin shooting is always fun!
Thank you Ladybug Gunner. Shooting pumpkins is fun and I am going to celebrate the changing seasons in the next video with the last pumpkins of 2019. It will be a "how many" type video as I line up a dozen or so. But there will be something special about these pumpkins that hints at the coming Christmas season. If it works, it will be great fun.
Great video good information
Thanks!
Like the style of your videos. Just subscribed. One comment I would make is unlike those of you that live in a humid and mostly hot environment all year, in my neck of the woods (Saskatchewan) our environment is dry and hot in summer but FREEZING in fall and particularly winter. Of course that is hunting season as well and too much lube is a no-no. Many folks have experience sluggish and or non functioning firearms when the lube (oil or grease) turns to the consistency of molasses! I tend to de-lube my guns during the winter months. Love GB490 as well. Anyhow, good luck on your channel!
Thanks for your insight. BTW, even though my family history is tied to Louisiana and it's climate, I was born in Shaunavon and lived there and in Regina in the early '50s.
But you are right . . . my weather perspective is a little farther south of the Arctic Circle :-)
Love the pumpkin shoot! Beautiful 1886 just rewarded myself with a uberti 1873 Winchester. George ever considered doing a disassembly lube and reassembly of a 1873 video? I like your way of explaining and showing how. Hope you and your family are doing well and staying safe.
Hi Terry. I love doing content like that, but YT doesn't. I knew that up front, so I can't really complain that they have demonetized and don't promote my videos like that. But I will still do some of that content and it will be my add-free gift to you guys😄
Good video. Firearm maintenance is often neglected.
Thanks!
I'd say the "slab everything in oil" method is useful for long term storage without firing at least, but yeah I'm inclined to agree that for something you take out somewhat often it just leads to a load of carbon to turn your hands black when it comes cleaning time.
Yep. My thoughts exactly. Thanks for the comment!
Well you did it. LOL I caught the 1886 bug from you and got one of my own. I think I was very susceptible to the fever but anyway I got one. A Miroku Extra light version. First thing I did was shoot it a few times then take it to the bench gave it a thorough cleaning and lubed it right. Installed a receiver sight and sighted it in. Great shooter and am I ever glad I got it.
Congrats John. That beauty will make lots of smiles for you in the future. If you haven't seen my "Versatile" video about the 45-70 here's a link th-cam.com/video/VfEn_StB-KM/w-d-xo.html That video is ostensibly about the Henry X Model, but there is a lot of info in there about the versatility of the 45-70 cartridge.
Enjoyed this video immensely and learned a few things.
One suggestion... background music is a nice touch but may not always be neccessary especially during a tutorial. Just my .02. Thank you
Hi Steven. Point well taken. I've gotten that sense as well and still use music at times, but I hope in a more "tasteful" way.
I use a lot of G96 CLP on moving parts. They run smooth once I apply.
Thanks Dustin. I may check that out.
I use white lithium grease on the lever spring & lifter spring (not a ton). Hoppes oil on whatever else needs it. Any lubricant will work.
Thanks! I made that point in my 1911 video. The type of lubrication is less important that just doing something on a regular basis.
I prefer light gun oil for the inside . Remington spray and ballistol spray. find it makes things smooth amd protects, but never gums or collects dirt, dust ect. I love using wd 40 and even white lithium greese to cover the outside
Good regimen for sure. Thanks. Love your channel name!
Ballistol is an alcohol solvent with small amounts of oil added just like WD40 is a petroleum solvent with oil added. Both will have other additives but the main ingredients are these two items. Mineral oil is the ideal long term oil since it stays in and wicks out slower than the others and attracts less dust and particles so it can be run longer before oiling is needed. Also some oils will turn into varnish with long storage while mineral resist longer. I assume the picture insert of chainsaw oil is used as a joke because this type of oil is notorious for attracting dust and dirt because of its high cling additives to allow oil to stick on bar and chain.
Yes, the chain lube was just for "effect". Thanks for the comment.
Like I sometimes say. "If it takes a CSI investigator to find the grease and oil. Then that's all that's required."
Great video 👍
That's great Rob. Frequent (if you shoot a lot) and light 😄
I see you have knocked the sharp corners off of the locking lugs, did you use a file? I am a fairly new Miroku 1886 owner and it definitely needs some attention. Love the series!
Hi Mike. All I did was put some polishing compound on a piece of leather and buff the corners. I did not remove any material because those surfaces are critical to proper function.
@@TargetSuite Thanks! I will give that a try.
Mike, if you haven't seen my disassembly video on the Miroku 1886 yet, here is the link th-cam.com/video/v3fgm3RJn0Q/w-d-xo.html
@@TargetSuite Yes Sir I have! I'm going back to the beginning and going through all of your videos, very well done and informative i appreciate your efforts!
Beware! There are a few that are pretty silly. Be sure your sense of humor is close by😄
I don't disagree with what you did because you kept it light. I watch gunblue490 all the time and I feel he's probably right a lot more than he's wrong. He went through Smith and Wesson armour School and as a police officer has done lots of gun maintenance for department and his own. But I feel like you're lubrication was pretty reasonable and not over done. Beautiful 1886 ! Where was your Tang sight ? Thanks for sharing
Thanks Brian! Everything in moderation. Right? Seriously, gunblue490 does have some serious credentials. That said, regular cleaning and a light application of slick-em is hard to beat. Tang sight will go on my Shiloh Sharps😉
@@TargetSuite I just watched your video on the Skinner sights for this rifle. Thanks
I like a Tang sight on a lever action also.
Ballistol vs. Mineral Oil. One in the same.
how did you get the sleeve out on the the left side above the trigger?
If you don't mind, where in the video is that shown?
So what do you use on the outside of the gun to prevent it from rusting? :D
I wipe my guns down with any light oil I have on hand. But if you are going to store guns in a non climate controlled environment it will take a lot more than that. The military uses cosmoline and their guns still rust after time.
Some stainless guns need to be lubed more, especially Rugers that come to mind. Some of my carry guns get very little lube as it will attract dust and dirt. I leave my barrels dry so my first shot goes where the others follow unless I'm putting it up for long term storage. I used to use regular gun oil, but sometime ago I just started using Mobil 1 with great success. Once a carbon steel gun is well broken in little or no oil is needed. Your mileage may vary.
@buck shot Thanks for the comment. Taking your last comment to heart, there is a lot of "religion" out there about what you "have" to do to maintain your firearms. I think the irreducible minimum is, keep your guns clean (free of grit and abrasive carbon buildup) and use a little oil to prevent rust. Most of us don't shoot our guns enough to really wear them out so just that little bit will probably be enough for most all firearms in "normal" conditions. Now if you keep a gun at you beach house, it will turn to a pile of red dust without aggressive protective measures, so there are exceptions.
If you spray it with Balistal and work the action you dont need to take the entire gun apart. IMHO
Sounds like you been watching Hickok45 😄
instant pumpkin pudding. lol
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Skipped that slug pretty good.....hope it was clear on the other side ;)
Yep. Miles of Louisiana wilderness.
look forward too your vids and allways watch start to end .
Thanks Steve! I hope you are staying safe.
@@TargetSuite Back at you friend take care of your self and love one s
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Not saying that some lubes are not multi temp....but it as I write this is -18 outside my window and trapping season is not even properly underway.....i see travel at -40 and some grease actually prevents things from operating ....be careful about where you use grease. Never in firing pin or extractor or trigger areas ....
Thanks! Some of my other viewers from Canada have pointed out the problems with some lubes "freezing up" guns in very cold temps. Something I never had to consider.
490 is how to do it. he is an expert my 336 works and gets less dirty his way I once did it like Hickok 45 no more
GunBlue490 is one of my favorites!
As thin as that grease is I'd just use it on everything and wipe the exterior with the oil for cleaning and rust prevention.
Personally I'm a wd40 fan for everything maybe a little 3n1 after a good teardown.
Hi Jimmie. We have tens or hundreds of thousands of vintage firearms that were well used and are still reasonably tight and fully functional. Firearms that were lubed with everything from WD-40 to 3n1 to motor oil to bear grease. I think the secret is to keep the grit out of the wear areas and just lube with something. The only caveat (and my Canadian viewers pointed this out) if it's going to be really cold, that lube had better be very thin and used very sparingly. Thanks as always. It's good to hear from you! Btw, my Marlin 39a has a stock that is preserved for the ages with WD-40 because that rifle has been slathered in the stuff since the early 60's :-)
@@TargetSuite lol yep.
George, love your videos. But could you switch to shooting cantaloupes instead of watermelons. I hate to see good fruit go to waste, but I hate cantaloupes. LOL
Haha! I switched to eggplant for another guy . . . for one video. I'll pick up some 'loupes next time I'm at the store😄
Well i hate eggplant too. LOL
You and Kentucky Ballistics😄
I grew up knowing a Gun Collector named Grover Johnson who taught me the best thing to lube your guns with is mineral oil...!
He didn't found Balistol, did he?
Oil it with some American made oil. or better yet, get you an American made Henry
I would love for Henry to make an 1886. I already have their X Model 45-70. I'd also get their 1886 . . . in a heartbeat.
Could not handle the music. Had to leave.
Sorry Daniel. Thanks for giving me a shot.