How The Quest 3 Replaced my Valve Index...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- After having boasted about never needing another VR headset than the original Valve Index, things take a weird turn for me these days and it is all thanks to Mark.
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EDIT: I am so sorry I forgot to add the name of the app that displays CAD models in AR!
The app displayed in the video is called 'CADDY' and can be found on the app lab section of the Meta app store, I highly recommend giving it a whirl
It's fine but you need to try to make it fit more your own style and personality. Right now it looks too much like you're trying to imitate other TH-camrs like Thrillseeker.
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Yes , nice video. I got a Quest 3 for Xmas and it was my first vr unit ever. I’ve been gaming since 1980. Let’s just say I’ve used it every day. lol.
It replaced my Vive pro, steam link and the ease of use made it a no-brainer. If meta could pull off an OLED version for this headset they would have a double home run
OLED would be awesome, maybe even a little more FOV and I would not back out a single minute
My main issue is the centralized tracking, No base station tracking options or more advanced controllers really limit the thing in regards to using it for PCVR. There are still alot of people holding out on the quest 3 waiting to see if a index 2 or something better drops.
@@nikushim6665 base stations work great but I haven't had any issues with quest 3 tracking. I just think it's cost effective and more convenient to have inside our tracking.
It would be cool if they took quest three and gave it mini LED/OLED screens and made the FOV 130 also give the gen 2 chip some overclocking I wouldn’t mind if they made a Fully custom head strap with it like the valve index with stereo speakers that can come down to your ears and priced it at 850$
@@MBadersonBurn in would be a problem tho
That start up noise just gave me the biggest smile 😁
The Valve Index is going on 5 years of age. Took long enough for Meta to catch up to it. But yeah, I think the Quest 3 is finally arguably a better headset overall. And I say arguably because it still depends on your use case. The Index is still a better platform for FBT, making the Index still better for VRChat. Basestation tracking still offers superior performance and Quest 3 still has significant latency for PCVR, making the Index still better for competitive FPS. And the Index still has better audio, though Quest 3 has gotten closer.
But those lenses on the Quest 3. They're so good. And the most aged part of the Index is the resolution of its panels. The visual quality of the Quest 3 is superior. So it depends on what you value most.
I don't really like the "took meta long enough to catch up" like that's a bad thing? Meta was never trying to compete with the index it was trying to sell a cheap standalone device that targets a market outside the index 1000$+ pc required ecosystem. And not only did they do that and do it well... but while still staying in their cheap, quest standalone/hybrid headset lane they just happened to catch up to the valve by simply just slowly improving their technology overtime while valve has sat o their hands all these years. Meta was never trying to compete with valv but Meta ended up on the same level as them because valve seems to not care enough to stay ahead of Meta or any other competitor in the vr space. And as meta continues to improve their technology the fact their 550$ headset is going round for round with valves 1000$+ eventually meta is gonna beat them out in every category while its also hundreds of dollars cheaper. So as opposed to "it took meta long enough to catch up" it's more so "how did valve let meta catch up when meta wasn't even trying to compete in their space in the first place"
Quest 3 with valve index controllers and full body tracking and airline stream to pc is insane.
I'm working on making the switch, at least for certain games. SteamLink works surprisingly really well with my internet. I believe if the next Quest headset has OLED panels with an even higher res and the pancake lenses, it would be the best thing.
Those pancake lenses makes a worlds difference. its crazy how much better the experience gets just by having better lenses.
Amazing video! Noticed your incredibly well thought out editing and videography for a while now. Keep it up!
Glad to hear you enjoyed it! Always super cool to have people notice the little bits of planning here and there, so thank you for the kind words
As a person who’s broke and, I’ll take one for the team and have that index 😔
how’d you break it?
As someone who has bought a valve index recently, I truly think it is still worth it (depending on what you’re looking for ofc).
I personally enjoy the extreme audio quality (both sound and microphone), the knuckle controllers, and the comfortable head strap. I also fully play pc vr, and I genuinely prefer a cable.
Sorry I know this is kinda just rambling. But basically, if you want a really great pc vr experience, and you don’t care about it being wireless, or having AR, get an index if you can afford it.
I’m an index user and was curious about his opinion until I saw his hat
Lol
I replaced my Rift S with a pre-owned valve index for 400USD, it had the full kit. I already had two base stations since I bought fullbody tracking, and now everything, just works. No more Meta software crashing my game or not working or having to replug or restart my PC. I couldn't go away from base station tracked after just now getting it, everything works flawlessly. I'm also doing waaay better in beatsaber since I can put my sabers wherever without loosing tracking. Also, no calibrating.
no one is stopping you from using your index controllers with Quest 3. i have my index controllers and base stations in a box, next time i finde a moment and the motivation to do so i will.
Quest Pro Controllers with the Quest 2 or 3 is a pretty good beat saber setup by the way. Those controllers each have three cameras and can basically track themselves, even fully behind your back. They're not cheap though. It's handy when setting up a specific play place would depend on who's in what room at the moment to avoid tagging someone.
the quest pro would be nice but when I use vrchat with fullbody tracking and my knuckles it'll be... annoying, but at least I'll have mouth and eye tracking, right?
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Like the format. Made it very easy to follow.
Glad to hear that!
i use a vive pro 2. its a solid headset. hella uncomfortable, but useable. the quest 3, together with a good headstrap was such a huge improvement. as long as i dont want fbt or facetracking i always turn to the quest 3. only reasons i havent moved to quest 3 fully yet is because i am waiting for my beyond to arrive and more importantly: the battery life.
I was wondering, can you simulate lower light coditions with filters, while beeing in a fully lit room and using passthrough?
i struggled with whether i wanted this or the quest pro for a long time... obviously the quest 3 is better, but the quest pro has one advantage the quest 3 doesnt, which is face tracking. sure, face tracking is niche and it doesnt really matter, but the issue with vr is theres not a ton of games on it, and most people will end up just not playing vr but every once in a while. the exception to this is games like vrchat. in vrchat the quest pro is significantly better than the quest 3, because the face tracking adds sooo much personality and interaction to the game. if youre looking into getting a new headset, and you mostly play vrchat, or youre mostly only interested in vrchat, the quest pro is 100% the better option no questions asked. you will come to regret not getting it over the quest 3 eventually, if you stick with VR. the quest pro has enough processing power and good enough resolution and lenses to make normal vr games still enjoyable, while having the added benefit of a form of tracking that is very rare and highly impactful in the vr space atm. we had the mouth tracker for a while from vive, but its discontinued for some reason so thats no longer an option, and sure there is diy eye tracking u can do, but that isnt exactly easy to accomplish lol.
so yeah, while the quest 3 is definitely the best all rounder for likely a while, for people like me who are more interested in the social aspect of vr, the quest pro is the best headset on the market right now. even better than the super expensive multi thousand dollar headsets out there.
I got a quest 3 for Christmas, and doubted it hard.
But then it soon completely replaced my index 😬
I second using Steam Link too. The first week Steam Link came out it was a bit buggy, then they did an update and it’s pretty much perfect now. Super convenient.
Amazing Video i love the chill vibe and the editing
Thank you so much!
It started hurting me badly after 3minutes of playing and the tracking was subpar to the index. And on that note, the contolers felt line holding a bar of soap instead of a natural hand exention. You can use index controllers on a Quest and i would say its an essential upgrade along with a new facial interface and head strap. Keep in mind at the end youre looking at well above 1200€ (in Sweden) if you want it to be a solid upgrade over the index in everything except for just and only the screen resolution and lenses.
I ended up keeping my index.
I have some info on the quest 3
There's pleague for all quest 3 headsets that involves tracking
I was play Gorilla Tag until my headset started to be weird. My head was moving in different directions and there was no controller connection giving me a "tracking lost" error. I did everything and I even factory reset my headset and nothing worked. The only way to fix it is by getting a new one 😭
Can somebody please tell me how can i see this image of the 3d headset on my quest 3 at 4:31
It's freeware app CADDY in the Meta Store. But if you type "CADDY" into the search engine, it will not be found, because it is immersed in the App Lab - there are still unapproved applications there. CADDY can visualize any CAD file *.obj in 3D and not only that, it can do much more. It is an amazing app that is not finished yet.
Can anyone tell me the app he is using in mixed reality which is showing the headset model
It is called 'CADDY' and is free on App Lab for all Quest headsets! A really cool CAD visual aid program
I definitely think, the quest 3 is the BEST headset on the market, and will be for a couple years.
Meta proved with the quest2 that they could take the standard VR software and add an insane slew of neat and useful features. I'm hopeful the Quest 3 OS is going to get even more insanely better over time.
it will not. it is meta, there will be a quest 4 soon
@@lassmirandadennsiewillja3943 now you're just making shit up
@@qwertyleshi bought the first one as an early adopter and its lifecycle was 1 year!! after that meta (oculus then) began to make games exclusive to quest 2. This company wont get any money from me. Besides that i need something hi res to keep my 4090 bussy
I agree but those grey blacks ruin horror games.
hey, I hope you don't mind me asking but what was the game where you are flying the jet? around 5 mins in. I'd love to try it, is it standalone?
No harm in asking! That game is called VTOL VR and I play it through PCVR streaming. It is a super cool flying game for VR specifically but I don't think there is a standalone version sadly
Definitely recommend trying it out though if you can!
@@MBaderson I will try to run it I don't have the best specs and vr is quite demanding. may try to upgrade soon to make full use of the quest 3.
Yeah I did the same. The Quest 3 is doing a pretty good job replacing the index and running wireless. I’m doing a hybrid setup with the Quest 3 as the headset combined with index controllers and Vive trackers. I’m pretty happy with it.
How easy is it to set up?
@@Hyper1555 very easy. Just DL Space Calibrator and takes about a min or two to calibrate the index controllers to the Quest 3. You don’t have to recalibrate again unless you redo your play space on the quest 3.
@@deliriousvrc5252 do you need the dongle things to be able to connect the controllers? I want to do this too because I prefer the index controllers but too lazy to shell out the cash to get them q:
Barely played on my index since it was too hard to setup. Sometimes the drivers just wouldn't boot up right or something and they cable needed to be hanged on the ceiling every time.
Also the y splitter broke for no reason, since I'm very careful, and I had to RMA the headset once due to some kind of strange haze in the lenses. Qc is just bad, which I was prepared for in the forums.
The fov is great, but the sharpness and godrays are awful on the the index. All in all a bad experience.
I really liked the sound quality and really miss the speakers, but the quest is almost better in every category for me and at half the price!
I now play within a minute totally wirelessly on steamvr without any problem and even the fov and comfort are perfect with some aftermar
aftermarket accessories.
Only upgrades for me would be micro oled with the same resolution, few degrees more horizontal fov (vertical is already into the sky and I don't need to see my feet), same index audio and maybe a lower encode/decode time to drop the latency just a tad (I'm below 40ms anyway).
question, as a sim-gamer, i use vr always in a seated position, either in a virtual racecar or a combat aeroplane, i've currently been doing that on a valve index for the last 4 years, and i want to upgrade my experience this year. the issue lies in the choice... there's nothing really out there that makes perfect sense to me. bigscreen beyond is too personal as i do like to share my vr experiences with friends. pimax crystal is a big question mark in terms of reliability, build quality and i honestly can't get over the fact there needs to be a charged battery installed when playing on cable. i had my eye on a varjo aero, especially with the pricedrop but since that's being discontinued, i have my reservations if i'll even find one available by the time i get to click the add to cart button. this quest 3 peaked my interest lately, i've not had any standalone vr experiences yet, might be fun, performance seems adequate, yet it doesn't tick all the boxes for me, there's features i could do without like the standalone and mixed reality camera's, but it lacks features i'd prefer like foveated rendering, eye tracking, resolution seems a tad on the low side, framerate too.
if i could list up my perfect VR HMD:
-120hz
-2400x2400 per eye minimum res
-eye tracking and foveated rendering
-outside in tracking using base stations
-cabled only, no battery's to charge
-index like audio and mic
-no personalized, made to fit, so easily shareable with friends
-aspheric lenses for optimum clarity
id be willing to put down 1500 buckaroos for a unit like that.
seems like the dissapearing varjo aero was the most suited to my likings...
Sim-gaming is a tough situation to choose a headset for at the moment... Personally I still mostly use my Index for things like DCS purely because it gives me a package that is more suited for sitting at your desk with PCVR on. The Quest 3 is definitely a grab-and-go beast for those that want a bit of everything but a jack of all trades is a master of none and that kind of applies to your use-case.
This comment alone got me on a path today to maybe cover a video on the disappearing Varjo Aero and why it does indeed still have a place in the VR market, I'll see what I can do on this but for now I cannot recommend much for you specifically and would personally wait for the right package to arrive as this year may show some bangers in the headset space!
@@MBaderson cheers for the reply and confirming my rather sad expectation on the matter. Subbed
Why unplug the base stations? I use my index controllers and vive 2.0’s every day with my quest 3. Virtual desktop lets you disable quest controllers and it’s easy to use play space calibrator. A 30kmah battery pack in my pocket fixes the battery life issues
I personally turn off the basestations cause my limited room space doesnt allow for many wall sockets, that and the fact they dont turn themselves off from time to time made it a habit for me personally
@@MBaderson get some power strips and smart plugs^^ (I use Wyze smart plugs on mine)
make sure you knock them off the motor will fail eventually take it from expierence and countless others online
honestly try a link kabel to reduce compression and change the bitrate options in the secret oculus diagnostics to a higher bitrate and resolution...600mbps and 3500pixel width is my reccomendation... combined with a high render resolution the games HYPERREALISTIC
I have a feeling like I am the only one who didn't get replaced Index by Quest 3 😅. I use both on different things. Maybe Quest 3 will replace my Index with 120Hz update on oculus link.
I'm the same way, I love my Q3 but I had to buy so much extra shit to make it comparable. New router just so wireless has the fidelity of wired (still has compression tho), had to buy VD because the default link sucks, had to buy a BOBO headstrap because the default is garbage in comfort compare to index (not to mention extra battery packs because it dies in a couple hours where my index I can play all day long), had to buy the hand straps because I can't go back to not being able to release my grip if I want to.
And then there's the subpar audio, I love music and playing beat saber and it's so flat. It probably wont matter for most but I'm the kinda person that put a 1k$ sound system in my car, I like high quality sound and the index headset is up there in quality with my sennheiser headphones. And then theres the tracking, I'm sorry but going back and forth between the two is a noticeable difference in my performance in FPS VR games. It doesn't bother me for 95% of applications, but it's kinda annoying in PVP knowing it could be that slightly bit better so I find myself still using my index for those certain things.
And like I said I don't hate it, I'm not trying to be a fanboy clinging on to the index, the wireless is great, the pancakes are amazing, theres a lot to love, but in my household both get used all the time (especially since my SO and I both play together)
@@space_goat_v1337 both VRs have their own charms. I think that only another VR from Valve will replace my index.
@@space_goat_v1337 could've just bought a link cable 🤷
it supports 120hz and its cheap, if buy from 3rd party, its around 30 dollars, but if you buy from meta, its 80 dollars.
but I can agree with the battery life being shit.
I just am in love with the fov of the index. That's what I want the most out of any headset. Hopefully the next valve headset will have all the things quest 3 has plus that sweet sweet fov
what is that app where you can see the components of the quest 3?
It's a super cool app called "CADDY" and it is free on App lab for the Quest line-up! It is a super cool app that you can view CAD models and study them, it comes with the cad files for the Quest 3 and Pro pre-installed so I recommend just giving it a try. It feels super Tony Stark-like
@@MBaderson Thanks!!!
I have a question, I just recently jumped down the rabbit hole of VR headsets looking for one for myself and my family. It seems like the 2 options right now that are tied is the Valve Index and Quest 3. I don't know which one to get, as someone who games on a pc a lot the 2 hour battery life on the quest seems really awful, but the resolution and pancake lenses seem to trump the Valve index.
Though the Valve index with the Index controllers and base stations for tracking seem to be way ahead of the Quest controllers and tracking. Could I get the Quest 3 and get the Index controllers and base stations and use them with the quest 3, do they work well together?
Or would be it more beneficial to just get the Valve Index and lose some resolution in the lenses for the FOV/quality of the headset and PCVR?
if you or anyone has any suggestions or advice, would greatly appreciate it. Thank you
Also as a glasses wearer and a bigger head if those 2 things play into comfortability/use with the 2 headsets
PS: I realize that this choice for me would be so much easier if there was a store nearby that had all VR headsets or at least the popular ones on display to test, but to my knowledge I have yet to find any such place that would have this, Arcade or gaming store. I've seen a few that have the Quest demos but nothing showing Valve Index to compare the 2. So im stuck diving down the rabbit hole of Videos and articles trying to piece together which would be better for myself. Its been interesting So thanks again for the video and any help you or anyone else could provide :D
A very common problem these days and if you are asking what my opinion would be I would advise looking more towards the Quest 3. The price/spec balance is much better with a newer headset like that one and as much as I am a big fan of the Valve Index it just isn't worth the full price anymore in today's day and age with the new tech coming and going quickly for 5 years since its release.
A Quest 3 will just give you everything you need to get started and even though there will always be drawbacks with every headset I think overall it offers the best package for the price and it is a solid gateway to venturing further into the VR hobby.
As for glasses I would think they won't be too much of a bother with the eye relief options on the facial interface and otherwise there are really good accessory manufacturers making plenty of options for the Quest lineup also with custom prescription lenses. Using Index controllers is very possible with basestations and a few programs to make it work in tandem, hook the Quest 3 up to a powerbank and you can get some more PCVR joy out of it too, but I would think this an option after orientation on the basics first.
This is all, ofcourse, just a suggestion based on my own experiences with both but it seems to fit the bill in terms of what you mention as of now. Upgrades can always happen down the line and starting with a cheaper option really helps find your footing in the VR hobby without spending too much just for it to gather dust, combine that with the versatility and ease of sharing it with others like family member and I believe it to be a solid package!
If I ever could I would absolutely put up a storefront exactly as you mentioned to put headsets up for trying as this was also my problem at the start and no one can have the exact same experience so you only truly know once you try... But I do hope this info helps you on the way to making a decision!
@MBaderson Thank you so much for all the information. I think you are right. For the price, the features, the resolution, the quest 3 seems unmatched.
With that in mind a couple more questions regarding the headset and PCVR. Do you have any good recommendations for a power bank for the Quest 3, something you have used/liked to use with it and possibly a recommendation for a 3rd party head band, have read a bunch of different things saying the headband that comes with it is very uncomfortable. When using the quest 3 for PCVR what method do you recommend to connect the headset to pc. Quest link, Virtual desktop or steam link?
Thank you again for the help!
@@Grimdehawk Battery banks I am not familiar with sadly and I cannot recommend anything based on my own usage, though I can believe anything giving a little more playtime is a plus in my book. Head strap wise I personally use the Meta Elite strap without the battery as it just helps a lot with the weight distribution but brands like KIWI are a solid pick for affordable and quality products, this combined with Steam Link mainly for ease of use would be my setup :)
@@MBaderson Thank you so much for all your help!
As somebody who also moved from the Index to the Quest 3 I can attest that the Touch (Quest) Pro controllers for 300 USD can make the "almost" scenario irrelevant. For me the feel in tracking exactly like the Index controllers but should be even better when it comes to random occlusion incidence.
It was so immediately apparent how much better the tracking was with the pro controllers. Within the first song playing beat saber, it was magical to be almost totally sure that if I missed a box, it was my fault rather than faulty tracking.
I wish they were more affordable
@@Meccarox I agree, but they are fairly priced, index controllers and a base station are £400, pro controllers are £300 and they do the tracking themselves
Could you use the knuckle controllers with the quest 3
I’ve used Pico 4 for quite a while and to be honest, I didn’t really like it, got index recently and it feels A LOT BETTER in terms of everything, even the resolution isn’t that much of an upgrade apparently, now I’m curious if Quest 3 worth it since I didn’t enjoy Pico 4 which seems to be very similar to Quest 3
what app is that? the one where u can inspect parts of the mq3
I will really have to update my pinned comment for this question... I am so sorry I forgot to add the name in the video ;-;
The app is called CADDY and you can download it through the app lab on the meta app store, highly recommend for some cool Tony Stark visuals!
if meta does a "pro controler" type thing that has traking for fingers and pressure i will trow the index away
Isn't it possible to use finger tracking and controller both at the same time? I'm no Quest 3 user, but I can recall hearing about this somewhere
they have the Quest Pro controllers for $300
Throw it away in my trash can, I'm sure it will TOTALLY have a better trash home there, and I will not take & use it at all
@@aardbei557 ill smash it before puting it in your trash can :)
Love the title cards :)
Thank youu
Hey since you still have your index. You can use the index controllers with the quest.
Index and Quest 3 owner here. I moved in January and haven’t unpacked my Index because all I use is my Quest 3, yet I don’t want to sell it. Also Quest 3 AMVR hand straps are a necessity IMO especially coming from the Index. Highly recommend checking them out.
You forgot to mention how small and terrible the FOV is. Small FOV is huge game breaker when it comes to immersion. Index's 130° is supreme.
I’ve got both, quest 3 FOV is halfway between Index and Quest 2 and actually good enough IMO for the better lenses and displays.
I've been using a quest 3 and I love it! The only thing I'd love to fix is the glare on the screens, specially visible when something shiny is in low light, i.e the meta logo on boot or the beat saber logo when launching it
Yikes, i got no glare on my unit.
Your lenses clean?
@@chotus69 Yeah
i originally bought a quest 3 to replace my og vive and soon after returned it, i had a lot of fun with it, however, the tracking is *MILES* away from perfect(i know the index tracking isn't perfect either but it's a lot better in comparrison), no mattter what cord is connected to it you are tethered to a battery life, you also have to spend an aditional $100+ for accessories to make comfortable, especially if you have glasses
I'm upgrading my Quest 2 with the Quest 3. It's going to more for the 512GB but for it is worth the extra memory.
Im very happy about my index and im excited about the quest 3 . I have pico4 and quest 2
7:54 what is this ap? is it in the quest store ???
Called CADDY, I should have the pinned comment updated! Sorryy!!
The quest pro replaced the index for me. Hands down best headset on the market. Haven't tried the 3 and don't plan to as I only will upgrade to something else that has face and eye tracking now.
4:30 Bro what app is that
It’s called “CADDY” it’s free too.
I was interested to hear your enthusiasm for the steam Link, me and all my friends purchased one each a while back and they were just awful.
Whatever we did, they just never really worked very well and the interface was soo clunky. This was a while back So maybe they have improved.
You might be thinking of the original Steam Link units of the past, which was never really a solid product as far as I can remember but in this case I mention the Steam Link App for Oculus which allows wireless VR streaming from your PC running Steam. In the use case this specific application has been made for it is beautifully simple and does the job for anyone wanting to get going with their Steam library in VR! :3
Mine is arriving the 19 and in so excited for it whats the plane game name?
VTOL VR, awesome semi-simulation jet fight game for PCVR
4:30, is that an app we can download?
App is called CADDY and should be on the meta app store! So sorry for not pointing this out in the video and I should have the pinned comment updated for it
Man i hope that they let others make controllers you can use with the quest 3. Resistant triggers, stronger haptics and finger tracking would take the immersion to the next level.
I got the index when the first covid checks went out. I was 18 at the time and had no clue what to do with $1600. But honestly I didn’t use it nearly as much as I use my quest 3 now. Stand alone be is just so much more convenient. Airlink works so well if you have 5 ghz WiFi
Quest 3 replaced my index as well, but they sent me an index with one faulty pixel, so yeah... kinda sucked... it was right in the middle of my vision.
Oof that sounds like a really distracting fault
they should not be able to reject a return claim if you tried to return it since the dead pixel is not only noticeable but is in the center if vision.
The title of your video got my attention. The Quest3 also replaced my Valve Index (which replaced my HTC Vive). There's no getting around the fact that tethered PC VR has greater potential than self contained -- more power, more CPU, more GPU. It's a no brainer. However, in the practical real world, my Vive and Index were frequently temperamental. Being an IT professional, I was able to make quick work of fixing issues, but it was obvious that PC VR was not friendly with computer illiterates. And darned expensive to get into. $2,500 for an Index and a marginally capable Alienware PC back in the day. Lighthouse tracking will always be better -- on paper. In my gaming area, I have several very large windows that cause lots of IR reflections and the expected tracking problems. In practical use, the Quest3 tracking has been very impressive. Yes, it has the potential for occlusion. If playing Twister VR, this may be an issue.
'Still no fan of Zuckerberg or Facebook in general, however he's all-in on VR and they gots some cash! To properly get into the Quest3 isn't cheap since one should really spend the extra for the 512GB model and a headstrap with replaceable batteries. If asked to use one word to describe why the Quest3 replaced my Index: Versatility.
Well said! I should have had you write my video, honestly haha
@@MBaderson You did an awesome job yourself. It was comforting to find I wasn't alone in retiring my Index for (gulp!) a Meta product. It's a darned good product though! The Quest3 and all of its potential really renewed my interest in VR. My Index had sat unused for a while because it just took awhile to get going. Also, there was no casual Index usage like I can with the Quest3. The resolution is soooo good, and the built in browser allows for web surfing (not to mention the TH-cam app). Web surfing was something I did not do on the Index. I have Virtual PC, but it was easier just to grab my tablet than to set up my Index. 2024 is going to be a transformative year for VR. Something that really should have happened about 4 years ago. Development has been slow. Upside: Index held its value MUCH longer than expected.
I've been slowly upgrading my Vive (which I got used off a local) to Index controllers and now an Index HMD that's refurbished (with a 2-year replacement plan) but I'm coming to realize immediately the technical issues and I'm not computer literate.
First I saw what looked like rainbow graphical tears (rainbows of pixels) spewing from items like rays of light from buttons/etc. in my initial Steam Home boot. I updated my SteamVR (and clicked something to update it from Vive to Index stats) and it mostly went away so I assumed it wasn't major. Also noticed what I assume is an optical illusion of what I call "horse blinds" where black semi-circles pop up in the corners of my vision but go away if I look at them (I have the lenses all the way forward). Just a few days ago I tried running Lethal Company in VR and the right eye went black and I tried resetting the HMD but have not been able to get it to connect since. I get the "headset display not connected" error and it flickers and fluctuates between being an outline and being fully filled in like it's being detected. I don't know what to do so I guess I'm stuck trying to use that replacement plan. I hate Facebook/Meta but I have to admit Quest 3 is starting to look tempting even though I love the FOV and controllers.
@@kyleb8117 : Like you, I hate Facebook. You remined me. I seem to recall one of the eyes on my Index occasionally going black too. It would always resolve itself though.
I hear ya on FOV. I gotta say, I didn't notice any difference in FOV reduction on the Quest3. I DID notice the resolution is just... better. By a lot.
I've seen sleeves you can put the Quest3 controllers in to mimic the fit of the Index controllers (Index controllers are niiiiice). I don't recall having many games that took advantage of the individual fingers on the Index controllers.
I have no regrets a'tall on going to Quest. The fact that Zuck's deep pockets are behind it will ensure it stays relevant for some time.
@@darrcook1 I really appreciate the insights (and from Michael as well)!
I don't think I've seen any games make actual use of the finger tracking either (plus my hands naturally slide down sometimes so it often does the wrong finger(s) as well). I can flip off monsters in some games (like Labyrinthine) and VR Chat has gestures but doesn't take much advantage of tracking. It's really disappointing. I don't think I've seen games take advantage of the levels of grip other than the tech demo, either. My love of the Index controller mostly just amounts to me loving the fact I can let go and not lose the controller, which is huge for things like throwing grenades/knives or dropping items.
Quest 3 people:
“We have better graphics and storage”
Me with a quest 2 with a powerful wireless connection to my pc giving me over 700 GB
Rift users with infinite battery life
Am i the only one where my quest 3 extended battery literally stopped workin?😭
its the controllers and the fov that i like most about the index but i prefer the quest 2 hands down i use both but 95 percent of the time i use my quest 2 thinking about selling the index now have been for a while and the quest 2 and buying the quest 3
Watching this video.. Is kind of making me rethink about just buying the valve index two days ago..
As much as I make points where the Quest 3 shines, the Valve Index is by no means a 'bad' headset! Yes it is older and needs Valve to come out of hiding already and release a follow-up haha but honestly just enjoy the purchase you just made and bask in all the good audio and comfort it will always excel in! :3
I can just smell the smoke from the heated battles in the comments!!! 😏
I was looking at Quest 2 for the longest time, peaked my interest round covid era and then fallen off. Now that I was turning 30 decided to look into it again, and found quest 3, funny how here(Ukraine year 2024) the price of quest 2 and 3 was practically the same.
Finally I got to play and finish HL Alyx. Worth it.
Id rather have the index that the meta privacy concern.
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Also btw you can buy meta quest pro controllers and get 360 degree tracking
the quest has replaced my Index but there's a few caveats, your wifi setup needs to be up to the job i.e. wifi6+, your router needs to connected to your PC via ethernet and in the same room as the PC and headset. Also the controller tracking is nowhere near as good, however I hear the Quest Pro controllers have independent inside out tracking so that will be my next upgrade. Great video
02:30 lmao good ol quest 1 looks beaten up as hell
It has seen better times for sure...
if the index had pancake lenses :C
And higher resolution that makes it worth of its price tag.
same my quest 3 replaced my index
The vtolvr gameplay footage made me like your video
i would have bought one, if it had DP over usbc. but i cant stand compression and artefacts. i tried it over at a friends house, he asked me what to test it with, i said skyrim (which he has modded the hell out of) his save was in riften, trees, leafs, gras everywhere and the first thing i saw, was compression everywhere even on 900mbit cabled because fine moving details like gras and compression, dont like each other. i rather stick with my lower res index rather then having compression. but its not made for high quality pc gaming, thats just an afterthought
Prolly need high quality wifi over lan.
I can't entirely agree, the fov, audio, mic, latency, and motion clarity involved with direct pc display port and 144hz is just a bit better than the form factor, wireless, and better lenses of the q3. On virtual desktop, high bit rate the clarity basically matches the index while having more ghosting and breakdown under quick movement. I would never recommend the index over the q3, it's not worth the price over it, but for an index owner unless wireless or portable vr is important, it's a side grade at best.
If you can proove to me that this video isnt sponsored by Meta, and this is your actual thoughts about this headset, I will buy it
I wish I got sponsorships haha, besides being a tiny channel not catching the eye of something like Meta I would always disclose the presence of a sponsorship in the video and I would never accept a sponsorship that requires me to form a specific opinion that isn't my own. The headset in this video was bought by me with my own money but whether you should buy one yourself is completely up to you :)
I just don't think I can give up the the 144htz of my index
I think that's more important than pixel density for VR.
Valve might not release a new one. The whole point of the index was progressing the industry
The valve headset alone is $500 and the meta quest 3 is $500, one is wired (index) and the quest is (wireless). The index is great but is not meant to be combined w a kat walk c. I get tangled so much that Wireless any headset is the best
For any index users in the comments:
In my opinion, the quest 3 is still not as good as the index. While the displays are higher resolution, the screen door effect on the index is so good that the extra resolution is not noticeable in most games. Also, an upgrade headstrap is definitely necessary, as it is painful to wear without one. When you add up the cost for good accessories to make the quest 3 a comfortable usable headset, It turns into a $600-$900(headstrap, facial interface, battery pack[extras are controller grips, index dongles, etc]) headset rather than a $500 headset. If you use steamvr daily, its hard to justify the compression and long start up time, compared to turning on the controllers and waiting 5 seconds for the index to boot. The quest 3 is a good headset. The user just needs to have a focus on the standalone and MR aspects to make it worth an upgrade from an index.
Domain Expansion......VR HARDWARE!!!!
The index was 365 grams excluding the head strap.
The quest 3 is 490grams excluding the fabric strap.
??? The index is 800 grams
For a video called replacing your valve index, you were really light on reasons.
I traded in my HP Reverb G2 and Index for a Quest 3.
BUT then I bought the PSVR2 and wow what a piece of hardware!
Best VR hardware on the market hands down.
Dont listen to haters because the ones that hate on it have never tried it.
If only it could be connected to a PC and use SteamVR! UGH!
I will never not call it oculus
@EchoX226 double negative
Quest 2 replaced my Index. Quest 3 replaced my Quest 2. Index is good for it's tracking and fov, which is good for simulation games, but for everything else it's Quest.
Quest 3 user using it only for pcvr... only ever owned a reverb g2, q3 seems better visually. Tracking seems awesome. But the wireless experience is just ridoculous. Feels plug and play woth vortual desktop. 0 troubleshooting.
Of they add oled, wifi7, 130-140fov with 30ppd, id happily dish out 1500buck for it. O and aspherical lenses too! I really think the quest 4 will be jist that at 600-700 bucks in 3 years time.
Hopefully the valve index 2 (deckard) will deliver the above within 2 years time.
Not sold on the smaller bigscreen hmd s because anything at that pricepoint needs to be vr 2.0 amf with that fov + lack of wireless, im not convinced
"Higher headset number means headset specs go brrrr, right?" - Michael Baderson 2024
The quest 3 clears pretty much every statistic over the Index. Nothing about the index wins over the Q3 aside from the lack of steamvr tracking, causing playspace desync occasionally.
id add: no compression and no extra latencyt as a win for the index.
@@dharkbizkit definitely true, as long as you choose to run over wifi instead of through a cable.
even on link cable with 900mbit ive seen compression@@corruptedfoxxx
I would still be using my Index instead of Quest 2 if the joysticks lasted more than three months.
Can you not just use different controllers?
what about FBT?
Good point, I know Meta recently involved upper body tracking from within the headset and it includes leg estimation but there is variety of choice when it comes to Quest options for FBT, maybe I could do a video on that some time to revisit the subject matter
@@MBaderson yea i mean it was a rethorical question. If you want FBT, then a native PCVR headset with Vive/Tundtra Trackers is still the best option.
But the new Vive Ultimate Trackers seem interesting with their inside out tracking though.
@@RabbitConfirmedyou can use non steamvr tracked devices wit trackers, playspace calibrator lets me use my quest 3 with index controllers and vive 3.0 trackers :p (still need lighthouses ofc)
@@Empyatic yea true, but personally im not a big fan of the hybrid setups, too many workarounds and it doesn't work as well as with a natively tracked headset
Consumerism, very important.
U can play standalone and PCVR.
How much did they pay you to say this?
Add the quest pro controller there no going back
Yah, I can't believe anyone would buy an Index now, especially for the continued baffling price of it. I guess there are still enough dummies out there buying it, or Gabe is just so stinking rich, he doesn't care. It should have dropped to half the price. Even then I'd still get a Q3.
You know what the quest has that the index don't?
I can actually buy it
Latency is so important and USB c cable connection sucks.
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Honestly, for the price, even the quest two is better than the valve index. I had the headset for about four years and recently replaced it with a big screen beyond and holy hell, micro oled need to become standard in VR headsets
I bought the quest 3 and had the index for some years. I dont know man.. the quest 3 is imo far superior to the index besides the tracking and fov. Its lighter, it doesnt have that ugly ass lenses which distort light and just make everything look worse than it actually is. The Q3 offers smooth graphics and air link. I dont need anything to use it with my computer. It doesnt heat my face up at all and there are so many accessories, you simply are able to make it your own just because of that. Just wifi. And it works. Great.
Lost in the sauce
Your video is good but try to drop 60fps, use 30fps better for your video style.
I have an Index and I love it, tried quest 2 with a pro strap and it was not nearly as comfy as Index is, but yeaah, it's getting old :'c
Quest 2 was also not enough for me to switch to something else, not to mention my IPD not fitting for that one haha
Im sticking with my Quest 2, I cant see any reasons to spend $550 on a headset just so I can spend another $150-$200 on accessories because they barley improved the headstrap and controllers.
A good halo headstrap for Quest 3 is $20 from China. Portable 10,000mah battery is $15. That's all you need really.
Why did you spend that much on accessories in the first place lmao.
@@gamesmaster1060 What if I dont want cheap knockoff accessories?
@@kittenzrulz2314 Thats up to you, some of the cheaper stuff is pretty good, if you are happy paying a premium for having the name meta or oculus printed on it then go ahead
Long story short its just better thats why