Le Mans Ultimate - New Paid DLC ┃Are SimRacers Right To Be Angry ?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- Le Mans Ultimate is getting its first DLC this month along with more updates and content for people that already have the early access , some simracers are annoyed , others are hyped so i discus what's going on from the perspective of a tea brain.
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This video was not made just to do the "lmu wot m8 pun" Honest.... Thanks for watching , I'm looking forwards to the DLC the online racing in LMU is quite fun. Subscribe and like if you want more - Become a channel member if you want me to drink even more tea , and you want to be on the list.
The DLC include the LMh BMW and some liveries all for free. No paid DLC.
@@a2grub892 people will have to buy tracks eventually, I believe
LMU is the best sim out there!
Real GT3-drivers conforming that!
I still remember when Kunos released top quality paid content for AC for just a few bucks but people always used to cry about the price and not be free (i bet they are the same plp who buy fifa/nfs/cod etc every year)
They want the financial benefits of being a fully-released game (people paying for the game and subsequently releasing paid-for DLC), but still want to label their game early access as an excuse for the games current failings. It smacks of being desperate for money.
They ARE desperate for money. The company is on the verge of failing.
Given their desperate financial condition this is entirely unsurprising. Still haven’t bought it. Don’t plan to give them any.
So what if they need the money, do you want a decent title to use your equipment on? You're not moaning at the content creator for sticking Disney ads half way through his content. Why is ok Gamermuscle makes money but they can't? Just don't get it
just the typical strategy from game studios and greedy publishers these days. label it "early access" or "beta" but charge like it's a complete game and also sell DLC and/or more expensive editions. Maximum cashflow while investing minimal resources. This is becoming more and more common and most of these games will never see a proper release. Why would they if people spend their money and time on an unfinished product?
@@plasticmanc3774 There are many other options created by companies that don’t have scummy business practices.
I didn't buy LMU and now they want me to not pay even more money?! OUTRAGEOUS
Exactly. I didn't buy it because I wanted to give it more time in the oven, but now it's already out of date unless I pay extra for the dlc too. Whilst something is on early access extra content should be part of the base game. Otherwise you're creating a disparity between your release version and what those who joined early access have.
Lets put it this way, they have two options: they sell LMU during early access for 25, and final release is 45 (I'm using rough figures)... That's fine, but now they're effectively saying with paid dlc is everyone in early access has to pay 20 extra to get the final release version, which isn't fair. OR, they kept the same price and final release of LMU in 2024 or 2025 is of a 2023 WEC season. Makes no sense.
Groups of people buy rounds of drinks at the bar. There's always that one friend in the group who manages to go home with the cash he went out with.
They want nothing from you weird
definitely nonsens. If you didn't buy the base game, the DLC is nothing for you. So how could they want more from you? More than ZERO? :nerd_face:
Until we, as the consumer, start voting with our wallets, companies will continue to do things like this. It's up to us to make it stop. Stop buying half completed games.
Amen
This, right here!
As long as consumers act like lemmings and continue to purchase without due diligence the current business model in gaming will continue.
I didn't purchase LMU despite my deep interest in the content. I refuse to support MSG based on my experience with N21 and their (obvious) history; as stated, the company is now on the verge of bankruptcy.
I do. It's you guys fault.
@@JPKelly-xr7trjust like when msg went bankrupt when people were saying that in 2021 and 2022 and 2023. This time for real after selling 100k copies of LMU
@@virtual_GaRy First, I didn't say they were bankrupt; try taking off your fanboy/lemming hat and actually read before you comment.
Second, I was referring to FY 2023: if they hadn't received a cash infusion from the parent company they would have went bankrupt.
Their sales of LMU are meaningless compared to their current financial situation.
Personally, I don't care who likes / plays LMU. if 'you' are willing to overlook MSG's failed financial history, failed game production (N21), consistent lying regarding project development/completion, loss of licensing due to incompetence, etc., then certainly enjoy the beta version and pay more money for the DLC.
MSGM Financials
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Q1 earnings, quarter ending Mar 31, 2024
Q1 2024
1y Change
Total revenue
3.03M
78.82%
Net income
- 1.63M
53.16%
Earnings per share
- 0.60
74.20%
Net profit margin
- 53.97%
81.70%
Free cash flow
- 847.66K
32.63%
Debt-to-equity ratio
0.10
38.37%
EA asked 70e for a game that's actually is a bad DLC full of bugs.
We should all know that EA stands for Evil Assholes by now surely? 😉
And the handling model regressed.
I really think LMU has great potential.
Math says struggling on the brink of bankruptcy studio with heavily requested content + sim racers willing to pay at all costs= a studio will take advantage
at all costs is ludicrous,no one will play if the prices are exaggerated,the game is already under microscope for different reasons.
In Canada the early access game is $42.99. It’s early access… all updates and addons should be part of that price until V1.0 fully releases. That’s precisely what AMS2 did and AMS2 was a similar price to LMU (around $40).
What are the player numbers like these days? Everyone I know who bought early access has already stopped playing.
The problem with any iRacing comparison is there are no other games/sims that have the variety iRacing does. A modded AC could be considered the exception. If iRacing were only GTE/GT3 and Hyper/Prototypes it would be nowhere near as popular as it is. Probably even a middle of pack game because others have much better graphics. Take away the variety and iRacing is just another LFM style racing sim with a cool voice chat system.
RaceRoom hasn't reached v1.0 in 11 years (currently v0.9.5.55) and is a DLC machine.
Well because the studio is incredibly small with very few employees. And also the game for not being an official 1.0 is pretty damn complete. The game feels like a full release. And they continue to work and work at it. That game is the biggest sleeper in sim racing
@@AtMyOwnPace10 Yeah imo Raceroom is one of the most complete and bug free sims out there but at the same time it seems that people love to play half backed projects and cry about bugs and wasting their time waiting for fixes
R3E has its basic content (however limited it is) free-to-play, that's huge difference.
@@sshoveitt raceroom engine sounds are also the best out there
@@AtMyOwnPace10 Yeah the sounds are the most natural, raw and organic out there. I'm not trying to convince anyone that Raceroom is the best sim ever or something. I know one thing for sure tho. It's the sim that I have the most fun with. After 1200h I'm still hyped for a mp race like day one.
LMU shows great potential. It is so modern of how it feels, looks and sounds but it's just too early for me. I tried it on release, but after a while I came back to RR and raced my socks off. And completely ignored LMU since then. The results are the same every time when I try another sim. I always end up coming back to RR and I'm more hooked than before. RR is just the one for me and this is nothing but a humble opinion
There is some new free content too including the BMW V8 Hypercar and 2 gt3s (coming later this year)
It's free so that the userbase isnt split (at least on non dlc tracks)
I bought this game on launching knowing that VR was not supported at that stage but I wanted to support the dev team. I only play in VR and so have not touched this since downloading it. Now apart from the defects that the game has VR has been completely ignored. This is strange as RFactor2 has VR so not sure why LMU doesn't have it yet. So now to start asking for more money when I can't even play the original is a bit rich. I have now set myself a rule that I will not put money into any game without first checking that it supports VR and the VR in question is well developed and not a tickbox exercise.
u can play vr in singleplayer mode. i have vr and love it but not gonna not enjoy the best sim ever cause of lack of vr online. just saying u r missing out. but u r awesome for buying it.
Many VR users bought it to support the team, as a thank you we are treated like the new plaque
Dev’s are working on VR don’t worry it’ll come to LMU when it’ll be ready. U can already use VR off and online, it’s just à question of time
@@ducat7493
After the last update you can indeed.
A step forward and things are made clear now.
Well to be fair, there’s no DLC to buy yet. It could be out of EA before that time. Either way I’ll pay for it. I love the game.
As long as the DLC does not also include additional 'engine' features such as improved physics, graphics etc over what's in the base game, then it's all good. DLC should just be additional assets such as car 3D models, car simulation models, tracks, audio, textures etc.
The thing that makes me angry is that people buy into early access without actually understanding what it is, which is an unfinished beta product often without a clear roadmap, and can be subject to significant change, and then end up throwing their toys out of the pram when they find out it's not what they wanted or it's not going in the direction they wanted.
LMU was cheap enough for the full 2023 WEC season, so I don't have a problem with paid for DLC for the 2024 season, price dependent of course.
The problem is that it is early access. Look at for instance Valheim. They have been in early access for years, the game is much much better now than when it launched. Lots of development has gone into their expansions, however no DLCs until the game will hit 1.0
Valheim was a hugely successful title in early access.. LMU is kind of successful, for a niche genre (12m copies sold Vs 60k). The financial scales between the genres are completely different too.
It takes their content team almost a year to make 15 cars and some tracks and they need to be close to reality, with photorealism. Assets in valheim look worse than stuff from Crysis 1.
You don't look at all the indie games that weren't hyped by every variety game influencer and then the story looks a lot more realistic also.
Doesn’t bother me too much. Only because (I believe) it’s a ‘24 season pack and that’s a lot of work. Rather DLC than a new game every year (as in the F1 games).
Very well said. I also am concerned about the online experience, especially because I live in the US and play at times with low participation, but I hope they’ll do the same as RF2 where you only need the basic content for the rookie races and you need the dlc for advanced races and special events.
I get why the dlc thing is happening, seeing that the parent company has financial pressures…. Although I am still on the fence about buying it, but can’t say I’m keen on the idea of dlc prior to v1.0 though. That also detracts resources from developing the game toward an optimized and stable v1.0. 🤔
Key point is the pricing of the DLC's. It should be fairly priced in such that the base game has X content and if the DLC has less content it should be less cost to the consumer.
£24 for 7 tracks & a bunch of cars is base game. 1 track in the DLC is going to be interesting to see how they price it. To add to that how they price it will shape the way the game goes, if they over-charge then people won't buy it. Studio 397 could shoot themselves in the foot here.
First 1.0 release and then you can bring all the dlc you want. For now I thrown the game of my wishlist. Maybe I will be back with a deep sale. More than enough games to play.
As someone who’s been playing the game from launch I can personally say that the devs at 397 have been a stand up example of how a dev team’s mindset should be.
They’ve been incredibly receptive of the community’s feedback and are always actively conversing with players on what we think they could do to improve the experience in game.
The performance and optimisation of the game has also definitely improved since its release, I definitely encourage those who bought the game at release and left it to give it another try, especially in online mode.
LMU itself is a RF2 DLC. We have DLC's for DLC's, now.
no way lmu shit ffb etc😅
@@AL.farmlife lmu ffb is far better than any sim out there. i suck at sim racing. but with lmu i don't suck as much because of all the little details it feeds me.
DLC is a bit of a kick in teeth but…… dependant on price.
It’s cheaper than buying an f1 game every year.
It’s probably cheaper than buying racing subscription and the copious amounts of tracks and cars you need………
As an rf2 user, I want lmu to work and become a game with dedicated servers to race in my league. Paid dlc may keep this going. Content can’t be worked on for free constantly.
I’ll be dumb enough to buy.
Im sry but the devs deserve money if you like it. If you dont then dont do it. I dont mind supporting these conpanies and devs it helps keep things alive and makes it so they get whats needed to keep going. Things arent free nor is time.
I think LMU is brilliant but they need to be careful charging for dlc before 1.0 is released. Compared to iracing it is an absolute bargain and a way better physics model
I'm on the raging side. First release the game then work on paid DLCs. The core content should be completed before releasing other paid addons and DLCs and everything added during the development should be presented as an update, not a 'free dlc'.
I prefer to pay for new content and have it regularly, than waiting and never get anything...
So they basically admitted that the game is too shit to release by their own standards but they'll happily take your money if you're one of the marks who was dumb enough to trust them and get excited for their game and support them? What a load of shit. Completely anti-consumer move in my opinion. And if they think the quality is there but there just isn't enough content to release the game, THEN ADD THE CONTENT. (Yes. For free. Only people who bought into early access will be able to access it anyway.) And THEN release the game. Game companies out here trying to turn a profit on something they haven't made yet is driving me up a wall, and Motorsport Games shouldn't get a free pass just because they make realistic car games.
Waiting for vr honestly
I got a refund for LMU on steam. Maybe I didn’t give it a fair shake but to be fair, steam doesn’t really give you enough time to be sure. Seemed like if you already have AC, ACC, rf2, iRacing with a LOT of content, and a dozen other race sims, I really don’t think lmu adds anything significant to the collection yet anyway. With Evo and Rennsport coming soon as well…
I wouldn’t mind having a game that doesn’t keep crashing first tbh. But I’m happy to get dlc if it’s good value. I like to get more tracks and cars - keeping it realistic. But I want the NASCAR!!!
The base game is cheap and well worth the money, so I don't have a problem paying for additional content. Luckily, they are providing free cars for the GT3 class, so even if you don't buy DLC, it theoretically won't fracture the players.
This is common practice in 2024. If you don't like it don't support it. If you give in and buy it, you contribute to the problem whether you like it or not.
I-racing is a fair point, and so was the point regarding the 8am race. However, it seems dirty. I don't mind paying for dlc, but I would rather they finish the game first.
It's not really a surprise, nowadays people preorder a game without any gameplay footage, if they keep buying they will keep offering, I blame the gamers, not the devs.
I dont get why anyone can be upset. They made it known that the game is early access and it wasn't priced like the current full release games. They said they will do updates that reflect the WEC seasons so of course we're going to have to pay for that. Since it's by season id assume it'll be one major peiece of new content every year. They did say if tou domt buy new cars youll still be able to race against them which is nice.
If I'm missing anything and there should be a reason to be upset, let me know
I don’t think there is any comparison to iRacing beyond the fact that they have a few similar cars and tracks. I guess if all you want to race are these cars, then, yeah, you can make the broad comparison.
But look at the patch notes that come out every three months from iRacing and it’s clear why you’re paying the money you are. I feel better investing my money with them than throwing money at a company that has been a net negative to sim racing and is making an 11th hour cash grab to try to stay in business.
Prediction: this title will never be developed to meet the original vision of the title.
They are both racing simulators offering online racing both trying to be realistic , it's not exactly a stretch to compare them even with content differences.
You pay the money you do for iracing due to marketing , they do lots of work to it but other Sims have had as much and essentially for free.
Iracing still has a tire model that doesn't support some of the most fundamental driving techniques.
@@GamerMuscleVideoswe can go back and forth all day comparing which sim has what….at the end ac isnt better then iracing and vice versa. LMU has to many issues to even been mentioned in the same breath…all talk for simply no result. A combination from ac and iracing slightly cheaper would be the banger.
They release one LmDH and 2 GT3 for free for everyone, so everyone could participate within season 2024 races.
So userbase isn't splitted. Nobody have to buy the DLC to participate within races with only 2024 content.
For me its okay that they're are charging for new content especially with the free cars in mind.
What about the new tracks though that's the main issue
@@GamerMuscleVideos That could be a thing. But i don't know any sim where you can participate at a track you don't own. Maybe there are exceptions to this, but most likely you need to own the tracks to use them.
Compare it price wise with every other Sim outside of the original AC, even with DLC, it's a good deal. I'm just worried about motorsports games and letting bugs get fixes before giving it a shot.
im sure they said the dlc during ea is free. if you bought in to EA that is.
GamerMuscleVideos, This made me laugh so much! Thanks for sharing!
GamerMuscle the news simracers need.
I think you always look at what you get for your money 💰 At this point I think LMU is a good deal even if the DLCs will not be that cheap there will be a free car in each class so in the worst case you need to buy tracks for online racing in the future
obviously i would rather free. But I don't see a huge issue with charging for content that is current for this season of WEC. But anything that is from last season which is supposed to be part of the original release should be included.
You have convinced me. 🤔 I was sceptical but i agree. 👍
I have nothing to add to that, it was spot on and I agree to everything ,👍
they should probably finish releasing the base game first? lol. the games industry is fucked.
So glad I refunded this at launch. So many better sims out there, with way more quality content.
I'm on the fence about this whole thing. On one hand the sim is great, and I'm hyped for the next update. Sounds like they are adressing a lot of stuff, and adding more to the experience. Compared to ACC's initial release in EA, LMU is already a better package for the price. But the game is not even close to leaving Early Access, and they are already adding paid DLC. Now that's a bit shady. I know they aren't financially secure at the moment, but adding in all the 2024 content in 3 or 4 paid packs, while the game still doesn't have a championship mode, and the setups are still quite wierd*? I just don't like the sound of it, and I will probably hold my wallet until they release 1.0.
* Wheel alignment and tyre pressure values are nowhere near IRL values, but they somehow work, so I guess the physics aren't finished yet?
if you don't want the DLC while the games in EA then wait.
How long is that going to take while they keep developing DLC concurrently?
The gaming industry went a different direction when people started getting excited to pay to be a beta tester . Like “let me help you give you feedback on the product and pay you to do so at the same time.” Especially with Patreon where there’s content that’s been beta for over 2+ 🥴
Early access DLC OMEGALUL
I bought the base game on day one but didn´t make much use out of it yet, as VR doesn´t work very well so far and my mates are not on it yet, Before I buy any additional content I will wait how things develop. VR is a must for me. And I hope my mates are going to love it too so that we´re gonna have some nice sessions one day.
Let’s call this what it is, we don’t pay for games anymore, we pay for a service. Some are good at service, some not so much. 😘
I think they should tax pensioners and use the money to pay for DLC for sim racers.
Tripple lock increase house prices and tax the young 🇬🇧
I think the only people who won't worry about the DLC will be top paid youtubers ?
I'm quite fond of LMU because I'm a big fan of RF2 despite its innumerable flaws. But I am still a bit shocked that the FFB is notably worse on LMU compared to Rf2. Though I have seen it said that the suspension geometry of most of the hypercars is part of that.
FFB is totally lacking detail compared to AC1 and AMS1 but it's masked by the cars being really easy to drive.
Maybe they can fix it but I'm not sure they can as it's a rather complex issue.
I can't wait for your honest opinions on the June/July new build for AMS2. I'm going to use your comments to see if I should reinstall it...
GM's FFB whinging is almost as bad as the VR crowd.
Absolutely insufferable.
This is the church of ffb , we demand high quality detailed ffb that makes full use of the DD wheels and FFB joysticks.
You can only complain about ffb once you own a novint falkon a ffb joystick and at least two DD wheels.
The fact that you are likely a FFB peasant unable to understand the glory of detailed ffb for tire slip is not a problem for the church.
Blessed be the DD girl.
@@GamerMuscleVideos blessed be 🙏🙌
hahaha since WHEN have sim racers ever needed to be right about anything to feel justified in being angry about it? :D it's certainly never stopped me!
Smracing is 99% about being angry
@@GamerMuscleVideos I wholeheartedly disagree. Simracing can be better than marriage counseling. You just need to have a good enough DD and pedals.
You get a free 2024 Hypercar, plus to 2024 GT3's, so no one is excluded from anything. Like rF2, you only need to own the track and one car to race.
Yah owning the track is the issue , new tracks on iracing end up dead half the time.
@@GamerMuscleVideos It's Imola, it will get plenty of air time!
I'm on what you could call a tight budget, since the doctors don't allow me to work anymore. But this is how i view this. Other than sometimes trowing a hook out in the water, i have no other hobbies than gaming, and sim racing is a big part of this. If the content is good, i have no problem at all with spending a few bucks on a dlc, early access or not. I see this as supporting the dev's, if they go bankrupt we have no game at all. And i get months if not years of fun in exchange for the support. For less than the cost of 2-3 beers at a bar (i live in Norway). Remember this is not at all me trying to tell others how they should think, this is just my (old gamer nerd) viewpoint on the matter.
Im just going to roll this out as a Nostradamus moment, the next assetto corsa will probably go down this path too ..... Just a guess, but keep your eyes open for a season pass shortly after early access. Look its the way of the future unfortunately.
More content and an extra opportunity to support this game. Win win! Us sim racers spend a lot of money on hardware and DLC’s and I’m all for it!
Yes and no....Yes because the financial position of the company. No because the financial position of the company.... If the sim was 5 euro like ETS2 or ATS on sale (both sims getting updates) then nobody would care. We all want to sim as cheap as possible....and yes I'm Dutch.
Wasn't too interested in LMU previously and now I defo know they won't be getting a penny from me. If your game is in "early access" focus first on finishing it.
LMU itself should have been DLC of RF2 to begin with. RF2 have improved leaps and bounds in the recent years, is NOT outdated in any way, latest DLC BTCC is the best compared to any other sim.
All the good driving game has in game purchases but unlike FPS games it's all cosmetics, Iracing, ACC and others all have some sort of pay to unlock maps/cars. Taking this aside, the driving in this game is awesome in a good sim rig. It's like a mix of the ACC, rFactor but with highres texture, audio and polish. Online racing when it's clean, is really hardwork, intense. Hope this game sticks around. I hope the next AC will be as good as this with a great selection of tracks. At its current state pre-DLC, the lack of tracks and reason to race online needs to be looked at. Personally, I just crank the AI to 95% and hope I can keep up.
If I remember reading correctly you will still be able to race with people that have the DLC even if you don't purchase it
i dont have problem with anything just i hope they do a nice and fair VR support for this game and not like F1 vr shi..t !!
Another possible problem is Windows 10 is running to it's end . Will we, can we live with Windows 11 privacy issues. Will our games run in Linux?
The government list is how I have my prayers answered, someone is always listening! 🙏
My wife walked in the room when I was watching this video, looked at the screen and frowned. Make of that what you will.
She became spontaneously aware that she needed a cup of tea.
I don't like it but I don't own. I'd have to own to to know how dodgy this is. As a non user, im thinking, are they making ppl pay for content that should be in the game. Really, a game should be finished before it's released. I have a boxing game on early access and I know I'd be pissed if they charged me for more fighters when the gane is already low on fighters. Hard to give a proper opinion ATM. Does seem proper dodgy. Makes me think I should wait for an ultimate edition down the road instead.
i wonder how many people here have rigs for several thousand $,€, whatever and then cry out for some peanuts?
Even a cheap Logitech or Thrustmaster FFB set costs 10 times more than the base game.
SO go on, don't spend the money for a good game and let the dust grow on you base.
I don't mind the paid DLC. I am still annoyed however that LMU isn't an rf2 DLC and hence splitting the code and player base etc
love that edit 3.50!!
Magic hands 🪄
@@GamerMuscleVideos like a young rafa benitez lol x
WTF just don't buy the game and the DLC no one is forcing you guys to do anything. 😀😀
In my eyes iRacing is still early access, they have only just added weather and they will be redoing the tire model. this is just the current way we can get a sim. LMU has no subscription so paid DLC is fine by me. Should the game be finished on release? Yes, but what game is complete in 2024.
No game in today world will release finished…u ppl realy live in the past.
If it's not content that was expected for the 1.0 release, then why be upset? Why be upset anyway? If you don't want it, don't buy it. That's all the feedback they need.
half of simracing is about being upset , it's a good distraction from being upset with things that matter 👍
This is a joke, right? How can a game in pre-1.0 be releasing a paid DLC? WTF!?
yep, shouldn't be allowed paid DLC until the game is out of Early Access, they built up some good faith with this sim and i worry they already lost it
So just to add to GM's riveting documentary short, there is an update scheduled for now with the radar, new rolling grid thingmabob, etc. According to their site, early access buyers will get the BMW Hypercar free. Also for free are the 2024 liveries on the existing cars like Toyota, Ferrari and Porsche. The DLCs you will need to pay for are split into 4 over the rest of 2024 which will include in total 4 new tracks, additional hypercars and the GT3 cars (9 makes of which 2 are free to early access buyers) The DLCs can be purchased separately or all at once at a reduced price.
...and no I do not work for nor am I related to anyone at Motorsport Games. I DID however buy the game and would like to see it completed which will require support or $$s.
See you on the track...virtually of course.
I approve of this thumbnail.
I drank tea while watching this and got distracted by a KitKat, sorry. Whatever you said about that thing was right on, man.
IMO the cat was out the bag when ppl got excited to pay for being beta testers ie. Early Access. I knew back then that this is a cancer that'll only grow in strength. That kind of shit wouldn't fly before the Early Access era, but now it's like "Shut up and consume product and get excited for next product". Basically gamers are to blame - pre-ordering shit, paying for digital textures for their guns, paying for testing and providing valuable feedback for unfinished games - the list goes on.
Let's be frank here - gamers are suckers. So let's not pretend that a DLC before the game is finished is unacceptable. The rubicon has been crossed, everything flies now.
Guess people shouldn't have bought ACC, that game was completely shit during early access. And look what became of it. Full of DLC you need to buy so you can race on the leagues that require them 😂
Obviously it's a joke
It SHOULD be unacceptable imo.
@@virtual_GaRy My point is Early Access poisoned the well. It shouldn't exist in the first place. But gamers, being the children they are, were way to excited to pay a corporation to do their work. It blows my mind that it is a thing.
What should happened is:
if games production is getting more expensive (that's the reason why Early Access exist), the product should have a higher price. Period. We have the same prices of games for the last 20(!) years, if not more. This is obviously unsustainable. I mean a cinema ticket is around 20 euro, and that's for 2h of entertainment, how on earth is a 100h game worth just 3x as much is beyond me (and you can still replay the game however many times you want, which can't be said of a cinema ticket at all)
Why must anyone compare LMU to iRacing? What??? I hate iRacing but it's at least complete LMU is incomplete and never will be complete if this is what they doing, there's no reason to complete it now.
Motorsport Games needs a law suit against them to shut them down. How do they manage to keep going and keep ruining everything.
LMU cost is not justified because it's not a finished product full stop.
Steam should put a stop to this too. Oh and then they also going to try charging the 200 people still using LMu to play online roflol.
What a absolute disgrace and waste.
iracing is the complete ice skating SIM for sure ☕
The first major update should be free, and future content can be chargeable thereafter.
I thought that the game devs said that there was supposed to be a season mode. I get that dlc isn't a bad thing but if I'm right and they did say we were getting a season mode why are they charging for dlc before delivering the final game. Males me feel like I've been taken advantage of.
In a world where tens of thousands are happy to rent a dated driving sim, the cost of LMU and its DLC's are totally irrelevant. RF2 and LMU are currently the only possible competitors to IRacings ranked online racing, for me this needs to be supported, for the good of sim racing on the whole. A blind man on a galloping horse can see and feel LMU is a million mile step up from IRacing in every aspect, bar the numbers racing online.
As long as the content of the DLC Is on par with the quality of LMU, then I am ok with and I am sure It will be. For the price, well that´s yet to be seen and I am not sure how much content the first DLC will have and that sure does Influence how much they will ask for. I rather pay for good quality content then have some half backed mods that need constant updates. The real questions are, are we gonna pay for something that will survive? And, If so, will we still need to keep on paying to play It (online subscription)? There´s still a lot of things that need fixing, and some of the fanboys need to chill because It does feel like a sect when you try to defend or give you´re opinion.
Well, I've been watching games coming out and see how many times it is bought... I'm afraid in the end there will be 2 'systems' be profitable for the software company. 1) The i-racing formula (read: paid per month and (if you want to make a big buck pay for each car/track). 2) The EA formula: bring out every year a game with some changes but let the customer pay for the whole game over and over again. When you see the cost these softwares bring, bringing out DLC for 20 euro and 3x DLC per year will not keep the balance positive , I'm afraid. Sim racing is still too much of a small player base. I wish some day it will be otherwise but that's a long way to go.
Pretty fair assessment overall but where does £240/year for the first 3 years of iRacing come from?
That's how much you will end up spending if you have a year sub + buy a basic amount of content as you play the game a car or two and the tracks required to race it.
Some people just stick with basic sub but iracing is very clearly designed to have people buy more content.
I love this game, but i think its way to soon releasing a DLC as this game still miss some basic features. I will still probably buy the DLC.
I TOLD YOU THIS GAME WOULD HAVE DLC BEFORE A SINGLEPLAYER
before singleplayer? they have singleplayer... under race weekend... i think u mean championship. also singleplayer is not what LMU is all about clearly net code #33 was more important.
Single player is not really the goal for this sim, you would be better off with GT7 or F1 titles, this is more focused as a multiplayer sim
They never said they wanted to add sp campaign…
Anyone else getting a ' Star Citizen ' vibe about LMU?
Didn’t Le Mans Ultimate release in beta as a: buy now for x price, it’s an unfinished game, the direction the game could go from the base (beta) version isn’t certain. Overtime I believe the game is supposed to go up in price, until ultimately when the game gets released and is probably $60-70. I could be way off on this, but I honestly thought they released the game to try and generate more revenue to improve the game, sort of like crowd funding the finishing/polishing of the game. I personally am very happy with the game, there are flaws with new updates (like the drive through penalty’s on restarts with the most recent update that has now been fixed), but overall I feel like someone in control cares about the game and the direction it goes. Again, I could be way off but time will tell. I knew what I was buying when I got the game, understanding of the minor bugs and tweaks that need to/usually do get fixed fairly quickly. Online racing is super fun and I hope they continue to expand the experience of online/ranked/competitive racing. The BMW hypercar was a free download for me (I live in USA, not sure if that makes a difference). I’m not opposed to DLCs and paying for things if you are getting your value out of it. Yeah, I’m not happy about it, but if I get my $10-20 out of the DLC, I won’t be thinking about the money I spent for it.
IMO, they should be releasing game content and if they add new tracks/cars/livery’s all of that should be available for free. Give that to the people for free and somehow work in micro transactions. You shouldn’t have to pay for a new car or track if you’ve already bought the game, that should just come as an update. They could easily monetize custom livery’s for online racing, maybe a small fee to upload a file, or even creating their own hub to create custom livery’s with a lot of unique features/content options and not some cringe basic stuff. All that being said, I’d be way more upset about paying for a DLC if I had to pay $10 for a game, $30 a month for a subscription and then have to pay for every car and track I want to use.
You all better buy it.. or v1.0 will never arrive 😂