5K iRacing Fan Boy Tries Assetto Corsa - Can It Compete with the Best Racing Simulator ?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 มี.ค. 2023
- As a 5000ir iRacer Fanboy That has only played iracing for the last month
I jump into Assetto Corsa to give a first impression comparison of how the cars drive differently and what aspects of physics and FFB stand out the most.
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Comparing a $6 simulator to a $600 sim is totally fair ...
The FFB sermon: so predictable. So you got to 5k iRating without knowing "where the tires are at". Probably a world first
@@nuu3085 yep you can play any sim with no FFB if you want to and just memorize what you can and can't do.
The Amazing thing with ffb is it gives you a range of information to make finding the limit way more initiative and way quicker requiring much less trile and error and massively ruducing the chance of just binning the car and having no idea what happened.
Funny thing what you've said about the grip is that 17psi is fairly underpressured for the MX-5. I forgot for Brands but the pressure for Laguna is like 20psi. That might also play a part in why it feels like you have less grip. Also wrong alignment in stock setup.
@@Litl_Skitl AC is like that with all cars though relatively speaking even with optimum track grip and perfect car setup.
I think it's why lots of people that don't play AC much think of it as being sloppy and understeery compared to iracing , as they are used to more initial bite and more lift off oversteer and turn in from brake before the car is on the tires.
They also ignore FFB and go into corners too hot and because of how you have to drive in iracing they don't know you can get the car onto the tires and then things actually drive as if you have more grip than iracing.
ive spent way too much money in iRacing and I completely agree with him. If you want to boil down the whole video to ffb sermon you are mission a couple other big points.
Sorry, I can only take a 6k driver's opinion seriously.
Oh dear. I racing fan boy right here
@@TomTheSurgen1 It is a joke comment.
Right. And only a 13 inch epeen need opine to me.
@@TomTheSurgen1Always sad to see a good joke go to waste.
😂😂😂 then take my opinion since I’m lower then 6k setup lol I have g27 with a g29 shifter and a eBay handbrake, I’m on the lowest budget everything as possible and my opinion to assetto corsa is assetto corsa is easily adaptable to real life drifting, I have no opinion for racing lol, I ain’t a fan of racing hahaha, I’m more into drifting and tandems haha 😃
I drive in real life and honestly I can say the way the cars in AC “dance” on the tyres and the way you can feel and make adjustments feels very realistic. It feels mostly like you’re actually on tyres
AC was the first game for me where i actually felt connected to the road.
AC is good but gt3 racing started to bore me to death the game needs way more to do i just cant be stuck in 1 type of car
@@danielstokker Thats ACC, not AC.
@@danielstokker well then you should stop playing ACC and start playing AC and you‘ll have every car in existence and even dinosaurs you can drive
Until you bounce off the curbs
That's the reason I love AC so much more over iracing. In iracing I am scared of the limit. In AC I am encouraged to go to the limit. And it's fun there.
It probably only feels that way because in iRacing you know you get punished for mistakes so thats always in your mind during a race. It brings a depth of realism that you don’t get in AC. If AC had a rank system it would be the best sim
@@SiQuemaCuhh Sure iRacing is more punishing. But that's not what I mean. I haven't played it in a while but except for very high down force cars I never felt as confident or comfortable on the limit like I said. It depends on the car but I think its true. Catching the oversteer and being able to play with the car gives confidence. Also that god awful tire noise honestly trips my brain up. xD
@@SiQuemaCuhh This is not a realism. This is too low grip in Iracing.
You shouldn't be going over the limit in a car. That's the entire point of racing. Finding the limit and staying under it to keep complete control of your car.
@@SiQuemaCuhh iracing is more punishing than IRL though, every pro driver says iracing exaggerates how easily a car would spin out or lose control.
Assetto Corsa has the Suzuki Alto and a drivable cat. Nothing else can compare.
And a T-Rex...
Don't forget the Transit van!
@@porkpie2965 and a driveable fujiwara tofu store
And a drivable bath tub with a steering wheel
And a tank.
On the Nurburgring.
AC is a wild public school vs iracing's paid private school experience!
Lmaooo never heard that comparison before 😂
facts
That is 100% accurate lol
very accurate statement, well said
Been playing AC for years. Hearing everything he feels through the wheel is astonishing. All I feel is steering wheel goes brrrrr
I know right? "I can feel the rear tires sliding, I can feel my suspension bottoming out, I can feel rear passenger side doors, etc etc".
@@s3nTer and when his tea is done obviously
it really depends on the wheelbase and the settings. i've got it now where i can feel individual flatspots in my tires
Its all bs
@@macho7409 have you tried it with a good wheel and proper settings? i can assure you, it's not bs lol
Thanks for racing on our MX5 server! Always welcome back. Glad you had fun! ❤
Let's not forget the following:
Better graphics in AC.
Better VR performance.
Does not cost ANYTHING for new cars/tracks in AC.
Great video.
Bboy.
true but iracing feels soooo good
Yeah especially when the monthly subscription comes out of the bank even after dropping $200 just to play nascar@@choppe8228
Yep I will stick to AC the cost of iRacing is insanely hard to swallow man plus I love using my HP Reverb g2 and I love drifting iRacing isn't the best for drifters but AC sure is
and has Touge
@@scottpolston6137 You can literally do ANYTHING in ac, for ultimate edition £9 and endless mods mostly FOR FREE. Sign me up, I ain't paying 12 quid a month just to keep play a game for a couple of races haha
Yea I find it interesting that people say iRacing is more realistic, when in reality you don't just spin out of control the second you lose traction. And just by the feel, it seems many of the Kunos cars are characteristic to the real-life counterparts, just based on track times and reviews
I decided to hop into iRacing in middle of 2023 after playing ACC and AC for maybe combined 300 hours or so. I downloaded basic maps and cars. Checked videos how to drive and brake in iRacing and set up my wheel according to someone who plays the game. And it was trash. Only base car that felt someone fine was formula vee but mx5 that I wanted to race in felt so bad compared to AC I had to switch to vee and still gave up after few hours. I also tried Cadillac gt3 car or what was that and that felt somehow even worse. I bet racing system in this game perfect but I’ll stay on my cheap games for my kind of playing
Its trash bcs you cant handle the sim. Based of your experience you didnt even try. But hey, you probably more knowledge then every f1/gt3/4/lmp and other irl drivers who play iracing@@thecevi9179
@@thecevi9179 Yea I don’t really get it. It’s supposed to be the quintessential driving sim, and pro drivers claim it to feel good when at the limit, but I refuse to believe that because no car at the limit just loses control the way it does in iRacing. Even watching the videos of the guys who practiced on Assetto then went on track, they say the Miata / FRS was practically identical
@@extremeencounter7458 This is where you differentiate between men and boys, acc is much easier and less realistic than iRacing, which is why most real racing drivers choose iRacing :)
@@gigiamoroso3066 Said nobody with a functioning brain ever lmao, try again
Blows my mind that something like lfm hasn't taken off in AC. The cost, ease of modding and large playerbase should be a winning combo and allow it to thrive.
AC2 is supposed to release late this year or early next year
totally agree, plus the player count is miles above other games
the modalicious nature possibly makes it hard to have a solid baseline for multiplayer
LFM isn't the first attempt at that kind of service. It's a bit of a mystery why LFM in particular caught momentum. Starting with a tightly packed, highly populated game that only needed a well-designed and properly curated ranked system on top of it is probably one of the reasons. AC, while cheap and popular, isn't really used to race by a majority of players. It grew to be more of a car sandbox, where you can put together any kind of combo and mess around.
Also theres plenty of those in AC already
Driving F4 in real life vs F4 in iRacing vs F4 in AC. AC is 10000 times better. the tires have grip, you can feel the difference a little on and off line with your grip, and its really good. the tires dont just randomly slip away like the can in iRacing and in iRacing the fall away without any sort of tell.
I hate myself for it, but I have to agree with GM. The way the throttle directly affects the car trajectory is so subtle and nuanced & natural than most other sims.
But is it realistic? Just because you think it's more realistic doesn't matter. What is the objective data.
@@SlyNine it is realistic
@@SlyNine See Niels Heusinkveld, he has done a video with the data of most sims about two monts ago.
11:27 No surprise to hear him discuss how iRacing is often like "driving on snow" and how there is typically a point of no return where you can't bring the car back. That's legacy code from NR2003, which iR used as it base physics model, much of which remains within the code.
Sounds like a skill issue to me.
@@Simlife101indeed, the iracing devs should definitely be better.
@@Broodjemetbeleg nope. I haven't lost a car in a very long time in iracing. The days of ice racing are over. The only reason people don't race ir is due to being poor
@@Simlife101 or don't like racing online, or want better graphics, or want mods.
@@Simlife101 it's still ice racing
AC is a blessing for all vr user. Sure iracing does a good job as well
Which headset do you have bud? I'm putting sim parts together now and I'm going straight to VR.
@@TurboV8boi reverb g2.
@@Michelsen77 The Reverb G2 is so clear. I just wish the FOV was wider.
For me the things that settle AC1 as my favourite sim is being able to drive whatever I want, wherever I want, with extremely dynamic feeling cars
So true!!!! Nothing compares to the FFB in Assetto Corsa! Thanks for letting other people see how true this is......
Rfactor2 is so much better!
It has the absolute best physics and FFB in consumer models!
The only thing better is the industry solution Rfactor pro!
I can not play iRacing because it’s so damn bad!
You can play iRacing with a 200€ setup because it doesn’t make sense to have better equipment with the ridiculously bad physics in iRacing.
If you have a real racecar you can’t ever take iRacing seriously!
Imo the AC ffb sucks so much. Crashes break your wrists and ffb in the corners is just weird and jittery plus they added way too many unnecessary effects into the ffb that annoy me compared to the simple and realistic smooth ffb in iracing. ACC also has some of those effects but is still better than AC
@@marijn17s hey man, I have a real racecar (bmw e36) and driven formula BMW and the BMW M6 GT3, it will definitely break your wrist if you spin, slide wrong or crash..
Also you feel banked tracks and potholes, patches, curbs etc a lot in the steering!
The problem with AC is, that it transmits things to your hands when they should be in your butt in a real racecar.
But iRacing is even missing all those things and the physics are horrendous!
There’s no tire slip and leaning the car onto the tires, which is everything in a real racecar.
It really disappointed me since I wanted to have the online races of iRacing, but it is extremely disappointing with real racetrack knowledge..
That’s why I’m set on Rfactor2. I experienced Rfactor pro in a 6 axis simulator (I’m a engineer for a German car manufacturer) and it was breathtakingly good!
Rfactor 2 is the thing that can feel still good with only a normal wheel setup (fanatec, sinucube etc) and not a full blown industry simulator that costs a few hundred thousand euros..
@@rolux4853 why?
@@marijn17s why are you trying to change my opinion?
I picked up Assetto Corsa after learning about the mod Shutoko Revival Project where you drive high performance, low grip JDM's around the Tokyo Express way while traffic moves about you. It's so much fun, to just take a joy cruise on the highway, move to the side and let loose the engine hearing the turbo roar into work and moving through traffic, before letting off the throttle and settling in again.
I got the Thrustmaster TX wheel and all though i don't have a drivers license, your comparison to go-karts struck right. In both AC and when driving Go-karts you do feel in the wheel where the limit of the tires are, and you can adjust as need be.
Solid video mate. Cheers and all that, stay safe ye ? :)
My Asseto Corsa folder is 217 gb large. I don't believe any sim compares to the sheer amount of content it has covering every aspect of motosport you can imagine, with stuff ranging from arcadey to super realistic. It can trully do anything you want it to do. And it is super friendly towards peripherals, I bet if my hair dryer or washing machine came with usb connectors I could map those as input as well. I bet you could race using guitar hero guitar or a dancing mat if you tried hard enough. And it could run on a total potato while still looking like it released last year on a good machine. Kunos trully struck gold with this one! Oh and it costed me 90 cents for ultimate edition, it is very often for sale at 90% off. Absolute unit Chad performer right here.
CM has a compression tool built in. Its somewhere in the tools(I think) menu. If my ac folder was uncompressed I would have about 170gb but with it compressed its about 70-80 gb
@@kalrith4028 amazing, so in reality my installation is massive. Great to know, time to go for another mod huntdown
The only motorsports I can think of it struggling with is rally and and anything motorcycle related
My buddy got me into AC just yesterday - got me linked up with the Low Fuel Motorsport content. It blew me a way - I stick to ovals on iracing for the most part - but when I did road racing on iracing i always felt it was far too of a "calculated" feel. Like there was a formula you had to know to race a road track well. With AC I felt like I could actually feel the car and react to it. Definitely going to be spending some more time on it now.
Hey man! Looks like the MX-5 Brands Hatch server you joined is the one I help manage! Hope to see you around the public servers again soon!
Thanks for this quality entertainment Mr Muscle , I always love watching you try hard not to be the greatest AC fanboy of all time (and failing)😆You can pick up AC complete with all DLC for £5 if you shop around, what a bargain ! iRacing costs a bit more . . .
Only a little bit.
almost no difference
Congrats on 5k I watched some of your streams it was very entertaining. I'm going to have to try AC looks like fun.
I can't step away from iRacing, but you're completely right about tires sticking in the corner entry, the balance seems much better here with AC
and having LFM now in AC is just the BEST THING!
I drive a Maserati Gransport in real life, and often hard. My experience is that reality is sometimes snappier than AC, but if you react quickly, easily caught. It feels nothing like iRacing, which feels like driving in the rain all the time
Having said that, neither quite captures the sheer brutality of what many consider only a "moderately" quick car (0-100kmh in 4.7 seconds, 0-200kmh in circa 16.5 seconds, max speed 290 kmh)
You'll hear many people rubbishing a Maserati granturismo (granted it was slower than my car, it's predecessor) or even the granturismo S (about equal to my car), but behind the wheel those cars are BRUTAL
To summarise I would say in real life quick cars snap faster than in AC, but at the same time, because you feel everything much better, it's actually EASIER to drive fast
iRacing's tyre model feels more inspired by grand prix legends than reality, which, granted, is where it mostly all began for serious PC simracing and was my first serious Sim (Indianapolis 500 doesn't count lol), but having had the benefit of much more experience of fast real cars, AC seems much more realistic to me (and I really liked it from when I think Kunos first released just the Ferrari 360 test demo that preceded AC)
i drive and track a Giulia Quadrifoglio and this is my biggest problem with these sims as well, ive spun out so much in ac,acc and iracing and managed to save it but in real life if you slide or start spinning out it happens so fast like a snap and its insanely hard to correct it and most times impossible, ive been lucky enough to not damage the car since the first time it happened i havent pushed the car to the limit anymore
Great video mate, level headed overview and I enjoyed watching you go through that process. All I read lately are mid 40's guys on sim racing facebook groups that swear by iRacing and call assetto a "game" etc. I'm trying to get into iRacing, really giving it every chance to like it, but finding it very difficult. I'm a fast IRL driver, fast driver in assetto with tons of wins on LFM, and hopped in the Miata on iracing to compare and its just mind boggling. Where is the feeling? The first time I drove assetto it was incredible, the way the weight transfers and the tires load up and how you can slide the car felt just like I was driving my car in real life. iRacing any little slide greases the tires, you can't control it. NO forcefeed back feel.. its insane
Glad to see more people starting to enjoy assetto again!
I turn Kerb feel down to 2-3 makes a world of difference, glad to see how much you enjoyed the FFB after iR :). We now have Mumble app for proximity chat in AC.
I loaded a very old mod of a jag prototype that would break the axle and collapse it, but the wheels would still spin. I slid into a wall sideways. Somehow, the rear wheels got pushed into the car and set at 90 degrees. I stepped on the gas and the car started to spin like a top, leaving circular skidmarks like doodles all over the road. The wheels really do propel the car.
Average number of players:
Assetto Corsa: 8100 😊
iRacing: 150 😟
Driving:
Assetto Corsa: Like a real car 🙂
iRacing: Bobsled 🤣
Price:
Assetto Corsa: $13 When in promotion for the Ultimate Edition (all cars and tracks) 😃
iRacing: ~$13 for a single car, ~$13 for a single track + an infinite subscription fee of $6 per month 😮
Great video mate keep making great video 👏🏾
I have to get AC correctly setup on my DD1. It was by far the best feeling sim on the G27, the drifting is so satisfying
Yep easily the best sim for drifters I use a Moza R12 with CRP loadcell pedals with Moza shifter and handbrake it's so so good I absolutely love this combo for drifting I'm about to give my nephew my g29 and shifter plus my first wheel stand and get him into AC his parents just got him his first PC he keeps saying he wants the Forza wheel but it's dog water and made for 360 not modern hardware and I can save my sister money by giving it to him as a Bday gift
Of the two real life GT3 drivers I've asked it's been AC as best sim. Both have mentioned that their team sim setups are custom versions of AC.
So it's just as it's always had been: Tyre model AC>iR, Vehicle dynamics iR>AC, Tracks AC=iR (both laser-scanned), Kerbs iR>AC, Multiplayer iR>AC, Costs AC>iR
Please give us decent Multiplayer! I would drive this every day if we had a ranking system.
People been saying that for 9 years, always kills me 😂😂😂😂
honstly all a rank system dose is make the people that are gonna take you out on t1 also be fast
There is LFM now :)
@@cal50xWhich depends on paid mods :/
I play iracing because of how competitive and large the playerbase is. every 2 hours there'll be at least 200 people in the vrs sprint, and the endurance races are ridiculously populated too. also chose it over acc because it actually has nordschleifer, and doesn't need a third-party to sort out their multiplayer
This is why I just don't play multiplayer outside of iRacing. Once iRacing showed everyone how it's done OVER TEN YEARS A GO it became harder and harder to cut other racing sims some slack in the multiplayer department.
iRacing and GT7 for me if I want to go out and play with others and I don't want to schedule it a week in advance..
Yah , I other sims should have copied iracing years ago in that regard to be honest.
The closest you get is raceroom which is great imo, but the ranked servers are generally not that much populated unfortunately
@@pedrosilvamusician On the other hand, I find Raceroom's AI to be the best to race against.
Yeah I think that's why most of us play it. Because in terms of physics it's 10 years behind everything else.
"hold back driving" is the best description that i've heard about Iracing
Always hated the FFB in iRacing but just assumed it was because I suck. I mean I do suck but it's vindicating to hear someone like you explain why I don't like it 😂
AC is far more fun than anal retentive iracing...AC is the wild west of sims! Just finished setting up my new Moza R5...Holy cow, DD is amazeballs!
what did you upgrade from, just out of curiosity?
What specifically do you get up to on AC?
Just did the same upgrading from a G29. It's so smooth and quiet. And STRONG. I know 5Nm is weak on the DD scale, but for me, it's plenty. I'm more interested in the detail it gives.
@@captainunderpants200 get the ES Formula Mod if you'd be so inclined, it takes it up another level
@@jamiemb17 i up this. Once I tried ES Formula Mod , I never used original ES wheel ever again. Huge difference
I can't limit my driving to work within the confines of a physics engine, or rather keep it from going beyond the limits of the physics. Maybe there's good physics within those limits, but at the edge of grip and beyond, there's no realistic physics, if any at all. When I start performance driving a real car, I always push it into oversteer and understeer so I know its limits. I'm not really testing a car unless I'm making the tires chirp and squeal. Then in a competitive situation, I know if I can push the car outside of grip and if I can bring it back, as that may give me an advantage. in iRacing, you can't do that.
The sheer number of iracers that berate me for pointing this out 😆.
The iracing fanboy comments were so predictable, made me chuckle, great video, thanks
This is why I love assetto corsa and continue to play it most days even after 9 years since it was launched. The great forcefeedback combined with awesome track & car combos makes for endless fun. I just wish a bit more people played on xbox to fill up the servers more 😅
Just started today! Brand new to sim racing, so taking it slow and learning.
@notatroll6809 Awesome Assetto Corsa is a perfect place to start
Hey buddy I've picked it up on the Xbox and loving it being a newbie. Let me know your gamer tag
@@andrewrobinson6258 Remzly1206 :)
100% agree. On both ACC and AC I can feel the weight transfer and grip level better - as you say, it’s intuitive. In my experience the trick is to keep damping and/or minimum force low on mid range wheels so that this transition isn’t drowned out by the cornering force. When I put up damping it feels more like a real car but if it steps out I can’t feel it and generally spin, whereas with low damping the wheel feels a bit light in a straight line but I know the instant grip changes in the corners. Personal preference I guess
You can't feel the limit of grip in ACC that's just suspension compression , ACC has no dynamic range for the limit.
You can test it by doing a long corner with car loaded up on one side and then go on and off the accelerator and you will see the car wash out with no change to FFB , outside of the track texture / bumps coming through FFB.
ACC has a more forgiving tire model than iracing at the limit , but it has less dynamic FFB for the limit than iracing.
Once you notice this it totally ruins ACC , you have to drive both ACC and iracing in the same robotic way of memorizing what the car does and then driving entirely preemptively , where as AC allows you to drive in the moment.
But yah AC1 is on another level
How i feel everything i boot up anything that's not rf2. Realism for some is king
Good to have you back. Your the only guy I can watch on track. Much like me, all over the place, complaining and drinking tea. (Coffee in my case). If your having this much fun on AC what were you doing on i-racing ?
God bless your heart, man. You're the only English-speaking simracer I can stomach. Wait, that came out wrong. I enjoy your content (and opinions) and cannot stomach pretty much anyone else! :D
Agree with everything here. GR86 is really good and a good step up from MX5. I gravitate to iRacing due to the league and endurance races I do.
Why on earth can't iRacing sort the tyres and throttle mapping out. 😢
Good video and I'm glad you liked AC as its still my favourite sim after 5 years of driving it.
I also have ACC, AMS1&2, Raceroom, Project Cars 2 and an updated GTR2 and also spent time with rFactor2, which I didn't get on with.
It seems that SIMS are subjective and open to personal interpretation as well as conditioning. In 2023 I spent a couple of months driving Raceroom only and I enjoyed it. However, when I went back to AC, I was hopeless as it's just different. After a couple of weeks on AC, driving Raceroom feels odd and I'm slow again......
I don't have an idea about what's good or bad but suspect that when you find a SIM that you're comfortable with, then stick to it rather than jumping between several (which I'm guilty of).
Be a master of one, rather than a tradesman of several!!
Thanks for the video
Best part about AC is the modding community. Always new cars and tracks to drive. Drifting in AC is hands down the best simdrifting out there for sure. And the drifting community is great
@sal50111 unfortunately I don't have any advice for fanatec settings as I run a moza however some basics is 900-1080° fast rotation and low to mild damper
Mfw I realized GM achieved 5k irating just to show how good Assetto Corsa is.
James, this is all well and good. However could you please tell us which sim you prefer to drive, coz we really can't tell!
seems to me to compare them properly you should adjust the setting to what you look to have the best comparioson and for a $6 i think changing the settings is a pretty fair trade off lol. But i think these while similar are 2 different games for different people but both are amazing. Just wish they would both try to bring them more into the present
2023 Royal institute Christmas Lecture - tyre feel in simulators. Love it.
Nice to finally see someone being honest about the Iracing/AC comparison. Yes AC is a great sim with a large driver base. The mod scene is insane too. Loads of free stuff of which some are very good. True, you need to find a good League, but even those are abundantly available.
Thanks so much for this video. What overlays are you using? Racelab or Simhub?
the way ac feels through the feedback compared to most the other games on the market is wild actually. at one point i could nearly drift limerock with my vr off my head lol
turns out.. turn 1 in monza is still deadly even if you switch sims :D a touch grass gets a whole new meaning in our world.
I find your videos useful. I started sim racing just 1 year ago. I don't know iRacing as I totally disagree on the business model so it's not even an option. I barely know AC but when tested I preferred ACC FFB, and I possibly prefer RaceRoom / RFactor2 FFB. One thing though that I consider embarassing in iRacing is contact net code. Embarassing to see cars not even close one another take off in the air...With what you paty for iRacing you can get ACC, AC, RFactor 2, Race Room and if you like taking off in the air you can add Flight Simulator...
Long story short: I am not interested in online racing enough to justify paying for iRacing.
Always fun to watch, great video.
I have a quick n00b question, I don't own a direct drive wheel (T150), would you say that the FF is still better on AC? Is AC really teaching me something even with such a cheap wheel?
Yah AC has great FFB with any wheel , I first played it with G25.
Typically the sims with the most detail tend to also work on cheaper wheels better , the sims with less detail require you to have a DD to be able to then feel more subtle hidden details. But a DD with AC is magic.
Basically FFB wheel just magnifies what is there.
I'm using a Fanatec CSR wheel from 12 years ago. With the wheel and game tuned properly (as well as a properly programmed LUT for your wheel), you get an amazing amount of detail from even my wheel. The forces you feel under braking, over curbs, during oversteer and understeer, accelerating, and even trudging through the gravel pits, is very true to life. A DD wheel will obviously offer greater detail, but you can still learn how to feel a car with mid-tier equipment in AC.
I just started playing total agree with this video
"Hold back driving" is the perfect description of iRacing.
I even struggled with the FFord in iRacing, sure I can drive it, but it just never feels like I'm in control, and I spun a few times. And every year the story is the same. Try this car now, it is much better.. But I've never had a good connection with iRacing at all, I just don't understand it. Thankfully AC and AMS combined (when there is a sale) cost the same as one month of iRating.
Interesting take on the FFord in iRacing.. there's an IRL race driver on Twitch that got up to F2, and he keeps saying how realistic the Ford is compared to what he drove. Driver is Emil Bernstorff (www.twitch.tv/emilbernstorff)
The guys at CSP already have multiple ray casting tyre models, the first iteration its on the lastest update, probably will be updated farder
"farder" has to be the best word ive ever seen
I think usingg 2 cheap bass shakers 1 for front wheel slip and 1 for rear wheel slip is very informative and almost impossible to go back to not using for me. I've never used iracing, i wonder if that would help you feeling the road more.
Iracing actually has the best simhub support imo.
I have tactile transducers
Iracing you can't drive on the limit due to the tire model it's not about "feeling" it the sim literally doesn't support it.
Hello, could you tell me what your configuration is? FOV, cockpit movement, height adjustment and clearances?
Thank you very much.
and after your video there is LFM in AC well done :D
The biggest head scratcher for me is how Kunos went from AC FFB to ACC FFB and called that progress. I understand that ACC FFB may be "more like a real GT3 car", and that's fine, but I'm not actually driving a GT3 car in my simrig - I'm driving a simulator which is missing the fundamental G forces of a GT3 car - among other things! ACC FFB just feels baron to me compared to just about every other simulator's FFB. ACC just seemed to miss the point of what FFB is for. rF2 still has the best FFB. Pity it's a nightmare in almost every other aspect.
@RubberStig it's running on a different game engine so it was never going to feel the same neither will AC2 for that fact. Its like playing cod then switching too CSGO they feel completely different due to the game engines being different
@@Simlife101 I realise they use different game engines, but seems to me they changed their philosophy on FFB delivery. I tried to explain that in my original post - I guess I did so poorly.
7:02 you cant fool us 👀. You are professional AC racer
Oh the kerb, so many times i got taken out just because the edge of the tyre slightly bumps at the very end the kerb where it merges and flattens to the track..
GM, what is your HUD on the right hand side? Looks like otterhud but I thought that was exclusive to RR
Most people who play the OG a.c play it for the modding community. Absolutely anything you could want to do there is a server/ mod pack to do it. Traffic, F1, rally, off-road, drift, touge.. the list goes on, And the amount of car mods is mind boggling.
We should all support/join WorldSimSeries more, it's great. I agree totally about iR vs AC
I feel where assetto shines is in 2 places specifically and thats 1: the many different types of map, from touge to track to free roam and even rally, theres just so much to chose from, and 2: traffic mods. Sadly its only applicable on pc cause 90% of the fun comes from mods but hopefully this will change in assetto corsa evo
You're forgetting that it's currently the most realistic home simulator for actual driving race cars. Having been around a race track in a race car AC is by far the closest to real life, Along with AMS1
ACC also has amazing detail through the FFB and imo the curbs feel better.
Curbs are shit in ACC
Good day Mate For me I find the far greatest component of Assetto corsa is the almost unlimited amount of modding support World wide.As a re-modder I have found it to be pure gold ! The ability to transform any vehicle into a dream come true for me far out shines online.The biggest downside I have found is the total lack of you and me racing as a team with AI cars as the rival teams.How can this be 2023 and that not being foundational ? Project Gotham Racing in 2002 had it ! And it was a total riot with my buddies on xbox live.Cheers to you.
I'd like for you test a Lexus IS I'm working on and hopefully I can persuade you. CSP has come a long way since AC's initial debut
GM did you see the 'takeout' behind you just after Druids? 15:35! 😂
The dude hit got kicked out of the server for "running out of money" lmao
@@sacredbread 🤣🤣
I recognize what you describe about the force feedback feeling in AC. But I have to say I have this feeling a lot more in the old rFactor. Not the standard version of rFactor, but with the plugins Real Feel and Leo ForceFeedback installed. Leo FFB in particular makes the translation of the sense of understeer and oversteer to ffb very good. It is true that it is difficult to set up Real Feel and Leo FFB properly, but once that has been done, it feels a lot better to me than AC. AC is the only sim that also has that feeling. It's missing in all the other sims I've driven. I sometimes try the same car and track in different sims and every time the old rFactor wins by a long shot when it comes to the feeling in the force feedback. For the rest, rFactor is hopelessly outdated. But at the end of the day it's all about the driving itself and that's why I still love the old rFactor.
Factor 1 and 2 have more tug and load for suspension compression especially with road cars / old cars ( obviously cars with more suspension travel and roll)
In AC it's more that the force loads on the wheel also describe how much grip is in the tire and how much you are pushing the tires.
RF1 RF2 once suspension is compressed / under maximum load you don't get more detail and you can't then feel when the tires will give out from the FFB.
It's still way better than iracing though but I think that's just because there is more controllable slip than iracing.
With road cars as well you might go over the limit before suspension is fully compressed which would then give a player a range of force load to in there mind align with how much grip tires have / how much they are pushing onto tires.
Who knows maybe in AC it's from suspension as well but it seems to line up with available grip with every car from Road to F1.
@@GamerMuscleVideos You are talking about rFactor 1 and 2. I am not. The things which the Real Feel plug in for rF1 do are build into rF2. But things which Leo FFB do are in not build into rF2. As far as I know there is no Leo FFB for rF2. So talking about rF1 and rF2 in comparison with AC if it goes about what Leo FFB is doing for rF1 is missing the point. It may all be true what you say, but it is something different than what Leo FFB does. I think if you like the AC ffb more or if you like the rF1 with Real Feel and Leo FFB more is just a matter of personal preference. I know rF1 is a much older sim than AC and rF1 simulates less then AC in all directions.
yep, the real feel was the game changer for me also, old days with MS FF, now I'm happy with T300 and AC, but have some experience with iR as well
i hope for ac2 they have some way to make the mods from ac1 compatible
I racing for me feels nothing like pushing a car, the smallest infraction and there's no saving it.
Honestly Iracing is harder than real driving.
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I think the biggest thing AC FFB communicates is the yaw moment or rotation the car is undergoing. It's probably a slight opposite torque that increases with the yaw moment. Also a good experiment to see the difference with added effects to FFB is to try the unmodified custom, default and default plus profiles on Ams2. The first is just based on steering rack forces and the other ones add more effects based on car dynamics
Yah AMS2 / project cars 2 ablity to actually let you fully customize FFB is a great way to help one understand how different FFB / ways of generating FFB can affect the driving experience.
I find AC FFB actually pretty weird. Sometimes it spews out bs, the curb physics is very bad (suspension model) and the FFB over them is completely over emphasized for some reason.
This is with LUT gen and Wheel check and all the mods I put. But for $5 it's unbeatable sim for PC.
On the tyre side, not bad, but few games give me the tyre feel like GT7 and LFS.
Kunos aren't mental.. they are Italian... 😇🤣
You're mostly telling me now, what I've been trying to tell you for years...
17:28 AC default setups are on the soft spungy and safe side... but you can setup your rear diff and toe and caster for a more reactive car... But you can then still feel what the tires are doing..
The problem with the tire model is that Iracing (Iceracing) was build on the GPL engine.. which had the same issue... and is also almost 25-ish years old now...
I like to streetrace with traffic in AC a lot... Shutoko Revival Project is an awesome map for running with traffic and friends.. and with a bit of server modding you can race online with friends through AI traffic... Even thinking about it I can't get the grin of my face...
And I've always been telling you FFB in AC is great.. for the driving experience.. I run in VR and sometime I forget I'm not actually in a car... And I actually start feeling acceleration and deceleration g-forces.. My brain just feels like it's floating forward if I'm braking... It's not, but it's the same thing as when you're in a train and the train next to you pulls out of the station... you get the sensation of going backwards (depending on you seating position)
Great description that’s exactly how it feels
AC is focused on the game itself and does not have iRacing scope creep into forums, podcasts, UI changes, and their failure to lock down IndyCar licensing rights.
I see that you continue to annoy and alienate fans of IRacing. All I can say is well done and keep up the good work.
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first was Life For Speed and still is very realistic game than came Rfactor stil playing it and its a great realistic game aswell. this generation Asseto Corsa is a perfect game and mods are so easy to instal and make it a perfect game lookin game
Thx for this vid JW. I was just contemplating on renewing my iRenting account. Big NOPE. 🍻
I have a basic Thrustmaster T150 pro so I bought the game thinking that they were from the same era and my wheel would be listed. Unfortunately the wheel base is not in the setting listl. Is there a mod?
I came for an AC ffb promotional video. Not disappointed.
Hey what are you toughs on racerroom about the driven feel or like you call it range on the edge
Interesting, after 1k hours in AC I tried IRacing and must say it felt almost the same to me, only difference I felt was under braking. IR braking seems to punish harder braking more than AC does but getting used to the IR brakes also improved my AC driving so I might have developed bad habits and didnt notice them before. The only other difference was on the limit, I had one or two spins in IR that I didnt really expect and couldnt really explain. Switching from the 458 GT2 in AC to the 488 GTE in IR, both felt very very similar and I was right up to speed. The racing in IR is better but not any cleaner (at least not in rookies or d class).
iracings tires get stuck on and over the limit , if you drive under the limit it's fine.
Unfortunately balancing a car at the limit is the core of driving fast , outside of all the robotic aspects of brake point general brake modulation race line ect.
At best in iracing you can follow the car through a power slide or ride out understeer / oversteer.
if iracing can get the tires to not get stuck over limit / stuck from overheating then it would be very close to AC in many ways and arguably in some ways better.
Until that is fixed you can't drive cars like cars , which is a bit of a problem for a sim.
Definitely need to see some uploads of HLL Sir 😂😅
ACC>AC when it comes to sound, physics and feel of a real Sim. I just started sim racing and I am wowed by ACC.
From what ive gathered AC really shines with with mod community
Mods massively improved graphics ,but the cars and tracks built into the game are also great.
For some reason it's a meme and myth that AC has to be modded to be good.
Some of the cars built into the game are some of the best in simracing.
and this is why after 3 years (and almost 4k rating) i ditched iRacing for AC. the driving feel is on another level and if you look in the right place you can find the same level of comeptition of iRacing, i personally play on worldsimseries (wich is embended in ContentManager) at the level of drivers there is super high. don't get me wrong, i love iRacing, what that sim do is incredible in terms of graphic optimization, multiplayer and physics/crash physics. wasn't easy to move past it, but tbh not sure i will ever go back.
Time to get myself voted off the island...
What is your 5K iRating opinion on Raceroom's MX5 and Brands Hatch?
If you need to take a stiff drink before answering, I understand.