Is Porsche 919 Evo FASTER than F1? | 3D Analysis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2023
- We are comparing Porsche's "No Restriction" endurance car the 919 EVO vs the fastest car in F1 History Mercedes W11 and 2023's fastest car RB19 around Belgium's Spa-Francorchamps
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BTW the 919 EVO is an unrestricted version of LMP cars meaning it is much faster than the actual LMP cars they use during races. Still very impressive nonetheless, and makes me wonder what unrestricted F1 cars can do.
Get gran turismo and try out the redbull prototypes. They are designed by redbull as unrestricted F1 cars.
Not realistic at all, the driver would be unconcious under those forces @@kidShibuya
@@duddy2209 a Top gun fighter pilot would like to have a word with you
you really think a fighter jet generates the same forces as that thing does. Even the designer said it wouldnt be possible for someone to drive it on the limit for more than a lap @@whatthafuckisthis
theres design concepts over twitter of how f1 cars would like if unrestricted and its super fascinating stuff, the same aero concept as the LMPs worth a look
Crazy how the porsche would match the merc in pouhon
Yes as F1 is master in corner speeds while Porshe is master in straight speed
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@@kondjanegongo796don’t say sTaNdArt CaR about W11, they’ve spent lots of money and effort in it
That's what (4 cylinder ) 1200 hp AWD engine does with unrestricted fuelflow and enough electric boost to send you from 200-300 kph in 2 sec.
That car has a tiny nuclear reactor on it's back.
I wonder how much closer it would be if you ran this test at Monza
I imagine the 919 Evo would take it. Though the W11 was very quick through La Source here so maybe not.
I think with all the chicanes the w11 would take it, especially turn 3 4 5
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Would love to see what a no restrictions F1 car would look like
Which restrictions would you get rid of?
No restriction would probably come down to how much g forces can a driver handle rather than actual machinery.
Mostly it would look something like the Red Bull X2010 or McLaren MP4-X. Both those are designed as "No limits" F1 cars.
Unlimited use of DRS will be enough. Ill be miles miles away from that car.
@@davidspagnolo4870Fuel flow rate and boost limits gone
Bigger wings and active (on demand) aero
Active suspension, traction control and ABS now allowed
Those things would be absolute monsters, although they would probably make for awful racing.
W11, It literally broke every lap record that year
funny how lulu did not manage to win all the races just goes to show is not just the car the driver has to be consistent
Not all but mostly
@@MrBreakjuniorGive it a break
@@MrBreakjuniorstop crying lol the overall gapped of w11 to its opponents its smaller compared to rb gapped to its opponent now idiot
@@rhodragehe’s not wrong though
I can't believe they lost 5 seconds around Spa with the new cars! That's crazy.
It was wet in this year's qualifying
To be fair the W11 is probably the quickest F1 car over a lap ever
@@deem1962 it is
@@deem1962 impressive to see an F1 car that could overthrow the Ferrari F2004.
@@yellow_x522it did overthrow. Even with slicks 2004 is just slower
Everytime I'm reminded that the W11 was a spaceship
2020 f1 cars were faster. RB17 is faster than RB19.
@@xamsedalabay6809 RB16
2020 cars in general were the fastest
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Why they rebuild the car if they already have made a perfect one...
The only thing that can stop Max this year
Second is Lewis on Zandvort
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@@indycarfan. be realistic mate
@@indycarfan. *Lewis is Second on Zandvoort
The only thing that can stop The Red Bull RB19 + Max Verstappen set **
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For Spa in 2020 the W11 also ran an extremely high downforce set up in anticipation of wet condition, so the top speed difference is going to be a little skewed.
What an amazing analysis and graphical portrayal of these lap times. Thank you for your hard work correlating this and sharing it with us all. Much appreciated.
W11 Fastest car F1 History.
Different gens mate
@@frankszernevics4757 Yeah true but this dont change realty.
In history*
And still Lewis could not dominate a season like Max do.
@@pietervanbreda4360W11 was faster than the RB19 but all the cars in 2020 were faster even the RB16 was faster than the RB19 so lewis had more comparative competition vs the field than Max does this year where none of the cars are even close to the RB19. stop being silly and learn about F1 history
At last this channel have 3D Analysis of this spa track record this is what I've been waiting for.
That RB19 lap was done on a drying track so kinda hard to get a gauge where it would really be
Its so cool to be able to see the visual comparison of the different cars. amazing work. Is the data that you use to construct these graphics publically available or can it be purchased? Can you share the source?
No
It's really cool to see something even have some chance of competing with an F1 car even as unrestricted
Imagine that W11 without a fuel flow rate restriction.
Also imagine it without all the cheating. :)
@@bonamin Already can as it didn’t cheat
@@danielainger8666 yes ofcourse. :D
@@bonamin It didn’t cheat show me proof
@@danielainger8666 People can't accept when their favorite team didn't win than the winning team can manage to win without cheating.
I might be wrong (probably am) but wasn't the W11 in a less than optimum setup (high downforce) for a dry Qualy due to rain expectation? Regardless for me the engineering excellence goes to the W11 to beat an unrestricted arguably superior platform (enclosed wheels etc) is impressive.
Yes it was. It oozed lap in s1 and s3. A more optimal quali setup could've easily yielded another half second.
but also the drivers as well I would imagine - I presume Hamilton would be a better driver than the Porsche driver. Ham gapped Bottas by over half a second on this run - so if this was compared to Bottas' run - it would be faster.
One shouldn't forget that the 919 has almost 10 cm (4" inch) slimmer rear tires though. That's a lot less tread to glue on 😅
I mean the 919 is over 100 kilos heavier, its very impressive that it could keep up so well to the literal fastest f1 car ever
Gonna add that the 919 lap the track was not rubberee up like the w11 so it had less grip maybe 30% less.
Not a fair compairison i think
Beacuase im pretty sure the 2023 f1 lap was in damp conditions
Also the 919 wasn't bound by rules, and could use DRS the whole lap.
Still interesting nonetheless.
It still wouldn't be faster than the W11 or the 919
It will not beat a W11 or an unrestricted Lmp1 car in the best condition.
Was this the qualifying lap or a race lap?
Just checked. This was Max’s Q3 time on a dry track. By comparison, the sprint qualifying he was 3 seconds slower than this.
Don’t forget the above aero F1 cars had been developed for decades. These ground effect cars are still early in their development. By 2025, I imagine they’d be near the W11 time or even quicker.
Wow such an amazing and interesting video once again
Would love to see more of these!
Amazing that other cars of the current season are being termed as F2 in comparison to the RB19, here's the W11 that makes the RB19 look like an F2 car. What a monster!
Most 2020 cars would make the RB19 look like an F2 car
2020 Red Bull car is also faster than RB19, different regulations. Doesn’t mean anything
le chrono pris pour la redbull c'est la pole fait sur piste humide après une grosse averse en début de qualifs...vraiment pas comparable avec le potentiel de la voiture après un weekend sec.
I’m surprised at how much the EVO kept up through Eau Rouge
0.5 of a second, that’s either one hell of a Porsche or F1 isn’t the pinnacle anymore, considering the W11 is the peak of F1 development
I think it’s mainly that the porsche was made with no rules, just to scrape every tenth available, while f1 cars have got a lot of restrictions on them. I wonder how a no rules f1 car would be like too.
Definitely needed this
The background music choice is top notch 💯
Nice videos, I was wondering if it's possible to display time/distance intervals instead of the cronometer (which is only useful at the end to compare times).
Hello Formula Addict. I really liked how you presented this video. I am curious, what use of reference did you use for the 919 Hybrid EVO? If I recall, Porsche have not released the onboard for that lap (the one with 1:41.770) unless I am mistaken, thank you very much!
probably sped it up
@@juzh1238 You comparison video between the two shows clearly the w11 ahead after turn 5. I'm beginning to doubt the authenticity of formula addict's beautifully animated 3d renderings.
@@Bahamuttiamat Either Formula Addict has access to inside telemetry that we don't have (which is unlikely), or they use track visual references purely from F1TV onboard like everyone else on youtube does, and if that's the case, certain amount of inaccuracies can't be avoided due to F1TV onboard having glitches all the time.
@@yelistener Love your videos! Do you get telemetry from F1 TV pro?
@Isabella-tf1qc The child-raping, racist, warmonger, mental defective?
Multiclass races that have both F1 and hybrids on such tracks sound interesting!
Great video
Simple, informative, entertaining and creative
It is insane that the Porsche was able to be way faster than the Red Bull being a Prototype, also, even if it lost against the W11, it's performance on track is still impressive
It is not because F1 cars have to follow a series of rules, even more now that they say they are trying to save fuel consumption. Now they ran with turbo charged v6, the v12 amd v10 of the past had a lot more top speed for instance. It is not that the F1 cars are trying to be the fastest car possible, only the fastest car possible according the rules they have.
Why speak of a prototype like it's inferior? It's more aero effiecent. It lost to the w11 do to the fact the track was not rubbered like unlike the w11 lap. So way less grip. And the drivers themselves said they are the limit.
@@Jesko.also the w11 had high downforce setup that lap. It could have been quicker. Also yes the 919 was unrestricted from any rules.
@@mgammeren Of course I already know it was unrestricted. You're stating obvious things. Spa is a medium downforce track your never know. And again you didn't answer my other points.
@@mgammeren 919 was not built for this track.
The W11 was an absolute beast.
The way it closes the gap on the straights on the w11 already going at full speed is insane
absolutely superb comparison. Nice to see the difference between different class and years
Is it superb? Since he has no access to relevant data for any of these cars it is crap.
We need this type video for all the tracks possible.
the thing most people don't understand, is that the 919 Evo isn't a car made from the ground up, it's simply an OPTIMIZATION (probably the best they could make out of that 2014 project) for a hotlap of the 919 Hybrid, a car that HAS BEEN MADE for run 24h without a break.
The powertrain is actually the same of the Le Mans car, just without fuel restrictions and without the electric motor and total emergy per-lap limit.
The main aero parts have been optimised, bigger wing (that also has DRS, prohibited in LMP1 regulations), splitter, diffuser, and side skirts.
Weight has been reduced too, by approx 25kg over the omologated car, by removing headlights, air conditioning, etc.
But still, this so impressive cause it's an actual LMP1, but OPTIMISED for a hot lap!
It would be the same thing if you made the W11 run in the 24h of le mans, WITHOUT changing its parts, but simply by optimising those, and you obtain a car that's actually as fast as LMP1s, it would be a very, VERY hard task.
Useless to say, both are some of the best pieces of machinery ever made, and will be always remembered
"just" without fuel restrictions lmao
Mercedes fans just don’t understand how cars are built. It’s as simple as that, they believe that they are the best car builder because of the W11 yet they fail to understand that Porsche pretty much wiped the floor with anyone who challenges them
@@Tekapeel yeah, that's definitely a "just" in this case 😅
Ground up or not it still has no restrictions compared to the w11
@@joshjackburnsLmao Is that why Porsche got humiliated in f1 and left meanwhile mercedes dominated and is that why even a FULLY REGULATED merc f1 car can decimate an UNREGULATED NO RULES Porsche 🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣
Great video! Love that you included both the W11 and the Rb19!!!
How do you make these videos? Such a clear visualization
You can bet a major part of the gap is down to Sir Lewis Carl Davidson Hamilton behind the wheel of the W11. He was actually 0.511 s faster than Valtteri that day.
Sir Lewi sHamilton is a beast. Not everyone realises this, and it makes me sad. If he really wanted that championship, he would get it. No matter the rival's car or anything else.
@@pranavps851you're clearly a clown..so funny
@@pranavps851tell me you've never said Max is only winning because of the car
Enough meat riding
LH fan here, Bottas is not a good benchmark. He is like bottom 5 on the grid.
What if F1 did an exclusive race in which each current F1 team would have to race with their best car ever produced? Imo that would be sensational!
W11 vs Haas VF-16 💀
@@listeed1995yeah the VF-16 ain’t having no chance of keeping up
So as every other young teams best car
@windrose5988 bro forgot about aston martin
@Isabella-tf1qc I do not believe in the Bible. I believe in El Plan
w11 would rape the other cars lotus would be fielding a mesuem car in the same race
I would love to see more tracks. Circuit de la Sarthe, COTA, Monza
W11 had a glue in his tyres. thats illegal the corner speed was crazy
LIterally, LMP1 car on Steroids
Wow. This max guy driving that RB19 is really slow! /s
When compared to Lewis Hamilton either in the RB19 or W11, Lewis makes everyone look slow.
@@PregnantSausageHow? He was beaten by Rosberg, even had the better car against Verstappen in 2021, who missed out 2 races of 25 points entirely (because of Merecedes' - but I won't go into that war). Yet, Hamilton still needed the last race at Abu Dhabi to win the title.
Think! Max lost out on 50 entire points for nothing. Lewis finishing 2 more races than Max could only match the exact same points as Max. How is that making Max look slow?
@@groundedgamingCrystappen the fake champion destroyed by Perez
So it’d actually be interesting to see these car race around here for like 5 laps then
make a vido about how old F1 cars stack up to a modern F2 car, I wanna see at what level theyre racing if you compare historically
I miss Mercedes (W11/12) and Ferrari (F1-75) being able to challenge Red Bull. At least it made the races thrilling and not just a battle for P2 and P3 lol
W11 desafiando a redbull? Si el w11 dominio toda la temporada, de que desafío hablas
Spoken before Singapore I see
I'd like to remind you that prior to 2022 it wasn't Mercedes challenging Red Bull, it was Red Bull *trying* to challenge Mercedes.
Just to remind , 919 have no regulations
The version made according to the regulations became the champion by almost destroying Toyota in 2017, while the Hybrid Evo is its modified version. So it's not completely unregulated.
@@beratkaplan8853 The 2017 Porsche 919 is 13 seconds slower than an F1 car. It's feats against Toyota don't matter.
@@Jesko. I mean it has to be exempt from certain things in order for this video to be made, but it's basically still an LMP car and not produced completely without regulation.
@@Jesko. Typical braindead F1 fanboy
They added a double DRS, that's front and rear DRS. Larger wings and added fixed-ride side skirts, removed aircon, removed jack, and other systems (e.g. lights), removed fuel flow limit and increased electric motor output. And specially made Michelin tyres to go for it. That's crazy.
Would be great to make similar changes to F1 car
It would be great to see both categories race against eachother, even with adaptations. LMP could pass on the straights, F1 could outbrake before corners. Several occasions each lap. Would make great racing!
Fact : This not the WEC spec car, they tuned this car beyond the regulations to achieve this lap time
no shit... that's why it's called the 919 evo. I suspect the 2.4l v6 Toyota would have had a higher ceiling, to pump more power.
Damn. Now I'm wondering what would've happened had they not changed the layout since 2004, as I still think the f2004 would've had the lap record around here... even without slick tires!
Speaking of which, Ralph did a few laps on slick tires in a 2003 williams - th-cam.com/video/RROmKNSLr2s/w-d-xo.html
Despite the fact that he and the car were twenty years older, and on tires that weren't meant for the car, AND the engine was tuned down, he still came pretty damn close to the lap record... Well, not the 2021 lap record, but the 22 one.
That W11 is an amazing car
I have a suggestion for these videos. Can you please put the V10/V8 sounds
Surprisingly, that's a good idea. But i doubt he will since it would require effort.
The accel of these LMP cars is insane....
This isn't really an LMP car, as it was rebuilt without adhereing to the LMP regulations. So it's lightter in weight, has more aero, more fuel injection, more hp and etc etc.. Imagine an F1 car with no fuel injection limit.
It isn't an LMP1 car
It's an unregulated version of it
@@Lthebbe It's true, although even the base LMP1 can out accelerate an F1 car under boost.
@@Alan-ww8vi Really? Even the 2023 cars?
Isn't the current LMH & LMDh outrun the accel as well for current F1?...
The W11 was on a high downforce setting because the race was expected to be in the rain. W11 could've been fastest
919 evo was not on a rubbered up track far more less grip from that and worser driver. Could've been faster. Also less lap attempts.
@@Jesko. I agree at all if Porsche gives this car a soft compound tyre like the C5 in Formula 1 and drives it by Lewis Hamilton or Max Verstappen. It would break the current lap record.
@@mr.kritchanat6161F1 softs are restricted. I think it would make the porsche even slower.
crazy top speed from the Porsche
im thinking of, this porsche 919 hybrid evo is made without restrictions, and what if theres a f1 made without any regulations or restrictions 🤔
Important to note that the RB19 lap was in damp conditions
It must be taken from quali or fastest lap
@Isabella-tf1qc No thanks, allah isn't real. He is a made up story that men in the middle east started to oppress women.
By the end of La Source corner I completely forgot a third car was there🤣🤣 2020 will forever be known as the greatest F1 spec era and cars won't ever go close to that fast and if they manage to do it, remember that the W11 never reached it's full potential with Merc stopping the upgrades mid way through the season
Would be nice if you put 2019 Ferrari pole lap as well
919 vs RB19 would be interesting
0:57 THROUGH GOES HAMILTON!
"that Red Bull is the fastest car I've ever seen." -Lewis Hamilton
man I would love to see a sprint series running these cars! get on it porsche!!
That's a toy version of Porsche outside of racing rules, while F1 doesn't have that toy.
Show us a low downforce setup merc vs the Porsche
To be fair, the Porsche set its lap time on a completely green track. That would be even worst than asking the W11 to set a track record during practice 1. We all know that a track ramps up faster throughout the weekend, and especially during qualifying when cars put down a lot of fresh rubber in the braking zones and apexes. Had the 919 Evo done its lap during the same qualifying session, it might have set a lap 1.5s faster, meanwhile had the W11 tried to set its lap time at the same green track, it would have gone 2s slower probably.
+ It's a le mans car. It's based on top speed, so that's why on spa it would obviously be slower
@@TheExitKerb It isn't a Le Mans car. It's based on one.
Thw w11 would be faster again . If I’m not mistaken setup wisely that weekend they had rain in the forecast (it never rained btw) .the w11 had a bigger rear wing so the car wasn’t on its perfect setup but you have a point and to some extent i can agree whit you
@DonLee1980 Don't you tire of spouting such fallacies? If the w11 was allowed to use active aero and drs outside of drs zones it would've been much faster through blanchimont and kemmel.
@@Bahamuttiamat He brought up a legitimate reason why the 919 Evo could've gone faster. You did not.
The W11 was built on the pure dark arts of aerodynamics to a point that the people that built it have forgetten how to .... 6 seconds over the RB19 is hard to even comprehend
They're probably only good at making car without ground effect. After all, F1 hasn't allowed ground effect for around 4 decades. RB had Adrian Newey, who had experience building ground effect cars. Which gives redbull some advantage. Not denying Newey brain of course.
Imagine the G forces inside that merc
Se fosse em monza,o carro da porsche levaria facilmente. Finalmente um carro que deu trabalho ao w11 🎉🎉
The RB 19 is the fastest car ive ever seen."
Lewis Hamilton
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Imagine what Max or Alonso could have done in the W11 💀😱
Imagine what Hamilton or Alonso could have done in the RB19?
man they needed to make this 919 evo go around the le mans track
To be fair it was a drying track when max set his fastest time
RB19 is still about 4 seconds slower than w11
@@bobsquashv2742 it's closer to 1.7 seconds off
@@mexicanopdb no. Not around spa it is not.
@@bobsquashv2742 How can you say that when the rb18 (last years car) was 2.4 seconds off the w11 around Spa and we all know that the rb19 is faster than the rb18. So what the other guy said is a closer estimation if it was dry conditions.
@@bobsquashv2742 as I said, the track wasn't 100% dry, so ALL of the cars went slower, that's why it isn't representative compared to other years, I took the laps from Britain, Hungary and Austria, both having around a 1.7-1.9s difference in favor of the W11, unless my maths are wrong but that isn't the point
Restricted Toyota TS050 was 3 second faster than 919 in quali, if unrestricted 919 can be this fast i wonder how fast unrestricted TS050 would be
Now lets see monoco and also add a scooter to the comparison
Porsche 919 Evo is a car created without racing regulations and rules. And the Formula 1 car was built with very strict rules.
Who else loves F1 ? ❤
👇
Put unrestricted f1 than.....
idk if i'm wrong but i believe the 919 messed up in 0:57 because he might have taken the turn too tight and had to go into the out side and in turn losing time, if im right than that small mess up could have been the difference between the times with the w11 also it funny how irrelivent the RB19 despite how dominant it is now
so interesting!
"The RB 19 is the fastest car ive ever seen."
Lewis Hamilton
Well he meant in comparison to it’s competition
"Lewis 7WDC GOAT wasn't even trying all those years!!! He was just sleeping and still got 7 titles clearly he is number one all skill because he beat his teammate in the same machinery like 9 times!!!"
-Merc fan justifying
It is when compared over the field
@@groundedgaming He had a lot more competition than Max is having, that is for sure.
@@Cal3000 But what does that prove?
I get you are trying to say he wins against the compeition,
but it also literally means Max has NO COMPEITION. That's how good someone can be - to have nobody else who could beat you.
I won't say Lewis is a bad driver. He is a good one, but the numbers (after years of great luck moving to the right team, and having some FIA help, to get those other 5 WDCs) are greatly overinflated.
That’s nice music where can I get it?
I'd love to see that sim with a F2004 on modern rubber.
It was nice to see the RB19, even for one corner ...
O w11 era um monstro!
I noticed that the circuit is spa till the end
Yes I have heard it is,they did it build it initially for racing purpose only but it didn't race much or I think something was raised🤔
W11 didn't need a reason to go that hard. 😱
Lets bring V10s back for the noise but running on sustainable fuels. Dreams
it really depends on the track, in this video they take spa wich is way better for fast straight line car, like the 919 evo, take the prosche on the hungaoring and it will be smashed even by the rb19. On specifical track were top speed matter like monza, spa, 24h of lemans, F1 lasvegas or the nurburgring (in the nurburgring there are also some corner but there is a 1km and a 2km straight line) but for most of the circuit around the globe, the f1 will be better that's why it is the pinnacle of motorsport (with rally).
Redbull at the back wondering why he was even chosen to race😂
We need a 2 lap comparison pls 🥲🥲😂
Can you make a redbull X2010 version of it running in spa for insta reels. Would be amazing to compare that car to other f1's/lmp1's/gt's.
It's must be hard to model those vehicles in 3d
I guess x2010 could be make a result like 1:20
I wonder how much not closer would this be with RB7
I would like to see both in Budapest
Wow. Remember when Hamilton was complaining that he has never seen f1 car as fast as rb19? I don't recall him complaining, when he was driving w11.
Because of the différence with the second and others teams, not because of lap time.
Yes RB19+DRS is faster than W11 on a straight line.
whats the song in the back?
Now we need no restriction f1 evo, my guess something crazy like red bull from gt5, over 400 easy on straights
The only comparison we can make is in SPA where the 919 EVO ran a time of 1:41.7 and the W11 ran a time of 1:41.25. It's very close but you have to consider that the 919 EVO is a Porsche 'skunkworks' project completely de restricted where as the W11 is FIA regulation compliant.
You do know it's more performance you can get out the lmp 1 than a f1 car right.A f1 car is not going to go no faster than a so called unrestricted f1 car.A f1 car is already at a disadvantage cause it's a open wheel car. It's not much more you can do with a f1 car.And if you do so called unrestrict a f1 car it will look like a lmp car.The driver of the 919 said himself that he was at his limit not the car.But you know what make this bad for f1 fans.They could of used pre 2015 lmp cars that was pushing 1000 hp and was a little lighter and gave them more aerodynamics.See the 919 evo is based off a restricted 919 lmp.But you f1 fans don't know that.They don't call lmp 1"labatories on wheels" for nothing.
Would be awesome to have an unrestricted F1 category
Bro can you comparison of 2018 belgian gp Vettel's Q2 lap vs. 2020 Belgian gp Hamilton's pole position lap? I want to see how the laps do.