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Fate Route : Died because Shirou stabbed him into his heart. UBW Route : Lancer got his revenge of Kirei. Heaven's Feel : One of the most epic fist fight in the franchise.
Yeah, I watched Heaven's Feel first because my best friend told me to watch it first if I wanted to start getting into the Fate franchise. (Yes, he wanted to troll me) Regarding the typos, you are correct. I was very tired that night sending you those questions. My bad, I apologize. Thank you very much for making this video. This subject, in particular, has always bothered me ever since I became a fan of Fate almost a year ago.
In my opinion, it's better to watch zero first because it explains the system for the grail pretty well and it gives insight into why certain things are happening in I've, heavens feel, Lord El melloi. Now it's not the best fate show, but its good for the lore
@@kingcrimsonauZero spoils a lot of twists in Stay/night and I think going into zero knowing the tragedy of what happens makes it more enjoyable. If we ever get a PROPER fate route adaptation we can finally end the endless debates on where to start the series
@@ajtallent4501yeah that's where I'm at. Anime only I do think zero works best as an introduction but should we get a new fate route then vn order will be king.
0:20 I can answer that, Heaven's feel was originally gonna be two seperate routes in its own seperate game. Fate and UBW were already finished when HF was being written and rewritten, and one of the not so obvious changes to western consumers (because most saw ufotable Fate/Zero before DEEN or reading the VN) is that Kirei was never meant to be this scary jack of all trades magic chinese martial arts trained catholic priest. He gets a big overhaul in his abilities for what wouldve been the second game, and when it was decided that the second game was going to be condensed into a 3rd route for FSN, Kirei's buff was kept only in that route because retroctively fixing it in Fate/UBW for consistency would screw up a lot of his scenes. I believe this also includes the false black grail heart, its a HF exclusive trait. So if you ever wondered why Kirei doesnt push Shirou's shit in Fate route with his martial skills and is just flailing grail mud at him until he dies to a knife stab that can somehow destroy grail magic, a knife attack he shouldve been able to stop, that's why. TL;DR, Nasu rewrote Kirei for HF when it was meant to be a route in a sequel to FSN and Nasu didnt go back to the other routes to apply the new changes and is now simply a writing inconsitency that never gets completely fixed.
THANK YOU! I’ve been waiting for someone to talk about this. As someone who read the VN and Watched the Fate series in broadcast order. That had always bothered me. A lot of Kirei’s deaths are related to his heart or chest area. But after his revival in Fate/Zero. I always felt a lot of his injuries should have infected him…at least not as bad. It should be as simple as Kirei going, “Hey A.M. or all the worlds Evils! Help your boy out! Get my reboot card!” Also, I just know Tokiomi was creaming his pants when he saw Kirei die in the Fate route. You know he was acting like Vox during the Hazbin Hotel season 1 finale. How many of you get that reference? Tokoimi: YES! AH, I AM SO F***ING HARD RIGHT NOW!
Easy to see why this might confuse people who only watched the anime adaptions. The vn does lay out a lot more details that make everything a lot clearer. It's a shame but understandable why the adaptation can't cover everything.
I know this doesn't have to do anything with the video but apparently its Shiki's birthday today, I've been counting some shiki faces and I've got 7 in total, anyone I missed? -Shiki Ryougi -shiki ryougi -SHIKI RYOUGI -Shiki Tohno -Void Shiki -Ayaka sajyou -Fake Ayaka Sajyou -Ayako Mitsuri
I might give it to kirei even if it's just pure cqc. Though I think a more interesting fight would be Kirei vs Araya vs Kuzuki and yes magic is included
I’m curious where is that piece of dialogue from at 18:54? Heavens feel? I don’t remember that in the movie but I definitely feel like I’ve seen it before, was in only in the vn?
Not anything related to Stay Night I was rewatching Babylonia and when they encountered Quetzalcoatl I wondered why she wasn’t a pseudo servant. Maybe she is and it just wasn’t brought up in the story, but she’s a god, so a servant container shouldn’t be able to hold her divine spirit right?
She's a type of divided spirit. Basically since all the Mesoamerican gods are alien bacteria that infect humans hosts what is actually summoned is one of the human host bodies. So she's basically a pre-built pseudo-servant in a way but without any of the loss to her divinity that usually accompanies such a thing.
So hearing the description of Zabaniya reminded me of the Lancer vs Assassin fight in Heaven's Feel movie 1. The description of Zabaniya says it only affects the heart and they will show no external damage. Yet in the movie, BEFORE Assassin actually stabs Lancer's chest, there is a big hole where Lancer's heart was. Is this an error/inconsistency or something put for the sake of the viewers, etc? Or is there something else going on?
So my father and I just finished watch the Heavens Feel movies for the first time, we watch Zero & UBW before this and my father really loved them, except for the ending of the last movie; Could you explain how Shirou survived/how illia destroyed Angra Mainyu as it really isn’t explained in the movie. Or point me in the direction of a previous video if you already have one on this topic. Thank you
Shirou did not survive. His body was destroyed, however Illya used a portion of the Heaven's Feel sorcery to "materialize" his soul which is found by Rider. Sakura and Rin then find a famous puppet master and buy a puppet to house his soul. Sakura uses her magical energy to keep it in the puppet, the puppet being changed by his soul to be flesh and blood so long as he is in it. Angra isn't destroyed by Illya. Illya closes the ritual but Angra is still in the grail and there would be another grail war in 60 years. Rin and other mages from the Clock Tower dismantle the ritual I think ten years? After F/SN.
It’s rather simple, Illya saved Shirou by using the Third Sorcery “Heavens Feel”, in the Nasuverse Sorcery/True Magic doesn’t follow the same rules as Magic/Magecraft, it can do impossible things such as Time Travel, Bringing the dead back to life, Travel between alternate Universes etc. the Third Sorcery is Heavens Feel, one application of it is the “Materialisation of the Soul” which Illya uses on Shirou at the end of the Heavens Feel Route After the Holy Grail War, Rin and Sakura obtain a Puppet Body for Shirou’s Soul to inhabit from Touko Aozaki, a Magus who specialises in them
If it was anyone but Lancer, i wonder if kirei would have gotta further along in ubw. Or would have had to fight that servant. Would be interesting to see
Never in my lifetime would I have expected the most thoughtful, unbiased commentary on events within the Nasuverse to come from a black man. The racist within me has died its final death. You keep cooking, my brother.
Hey I wanna ask something if emiya can alter the properties of stuff around him how come he never uses stuff like chemistry even if shirous bad at it and cant do it archer should have had an infinite amount of time and should be capable of doing stuff like from full metal alchemist heck alchemy existists in fate and he doesn't persue it and since he can trace stuff even if it takes more energy than a sword shouldn't he be able to project and use any element of the periodic table including toxic or radioactive stuff at the vary least he can do a last ditch bombing against opponents he cant best hoping that radiation ends them much better than excalibur image am I right.
Emiya's natural magic he's really good at it is swords or stuff related to it to an extent that most things a normal mage would consider extremely basic are things he can't do. E.g After Shirou/Saber's first fight with Lancer Rin is surprised that Shirou can't just fix all the damages to his house with magecraft. Though it should be noted that Rin probably has super high standards for these things. He's very good at that specific thing that is recording swords/basic weapons into UBW and replicating them and things relating to that, the further away from that the less naturally good he is at. E.g A shield should cost more for him trace than a sword. He can't just trace say plasma for example. It has to be hold the concept of sword and have plasma in it that he auto copies into UBW as soon as he sees it and from there maybe he can try to experiment with doing adjustments to it.
@@ARandomGuy24but what is a sword exactly he if a sword is just a sharp object that is used for combat for whatever purpose than isn't a stick mad eout of I don't know explosives a sword like how is exacaliber a sword its made of stuff humans don't have and it shoots lasers but it's still a sword
![[Heaven's Feel] Kirei Kotomine Analysis - Fate/Stay Night](/img/n.gif)
Lancer: "Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary."
Fate Route : Died because Shirou stabbed him into his heart.
UBW Route : Lancer got his revenge of Kirei.
Heaven's Feel : One of the most epic fist fight in the franchise.
*Kabum?*
*Yes Emiya, Kabum*
*LASSTTTTTT*
*And there is how kotomine kirei died when he was killed after being killed 10 years before*
Yeah, I watched Heaven's Feel first because my best friend told me to watch it first if I wanted to start getting into the Fate franchise. (Yes, he wanted to troll me) Regarding the typos, you are correct. I was very tired that night sending you those questions. My bad, I apologize. Thank you very much for making this video. This subject, in particular, has always bothered me ever since I became a fan of Fate almost a year ago.
In my opinion, it's better to watch zero first because it explains the system for the grail pretty well and it gives insight into why certain things are happening in I've, heavens feel, Lord El melloi. Now it's not the best fate show, but its good for the lore
@@kingcrimsonauZero spoils a lot of twists in Stay/night and I think going into zero knowing the tragedy of what happens makes it more enjoyable. If we ever get a PROPER fate route adaptation we can finally end the endless debates on where to start the series
@@ajtallent4501yeah that's where I'm at. Anime only I do think zero works best as an introduction but should we get a new fate route then vn order will be king.
@@andrew-rn9ui Indeed. 😆
i mean starting with heavens feel isn't the incorrect watch order cause everything's a different timeline and is cannon i think
0:20
I can answer that, Heaven's feel was originally gonna be two seperate routes in its own seperate game.
Fate and UBW were already finished when HF was being written and rewritten, and one of the not so obvious changes to western consumers (because most saw ufotable Fate/Zero before DEEN or reading the VN) is that Kirei was never meant to be this scary jack of all trades magic chinese martial arts trained catholic priest. He gets a big overhaul in his abilities for what wouldve been the second game, and when it was decided that the second game was going to be condensed into a 3rd route for FSN, Kirei's buff was kept only in that route because retroctively fixing it in Fate/UBW for consistency would screw up a lot of his scenes. I believe this also includes the false black grail heart, its a HF exclusive trait.
So if you ever wondered why Kirei doesnt push Shirou's shit in Fate route with his martial skills and is just flailing grail mud at him until he dies to a knife stab that can somehow destroy grail magic, a knife attack he shouldve been able to stop, that's why.
TL;DR, Nasu rewrote Kirei for HF when it was meant to be a route in a sequel to FSN and Nasu didnt go back to the other routes to apply the new changes and is now simply a writing inconsitency that never gets completely fixed.
Finally someone who's speaking up about this. Thank you.
Okay, I got the gist before I saw this but now you have put it into more context
THANK YOU! I’ve been waiting for someone to talk about this. As someone who read the VN and Watched the Fate series in broadcast order. That had always bothered me. A lot of Kirei’s deaths are related to his heart or chest area. But after his revival in Fate/Zero. I always felt a lot of his injuries should have infected him…at least not as bad. It should be as simple as Kirei going, “Hey A.M. or all the worlds Evils! Help your boy out! Get my reboot card!”
Also, I just know Tokiomi was creaming his pants when he saw Kirei die in the Fate route. You know he was acting like Vox during the Hazbin Hotel season 1 finale. How many of you get that reference? Tokoimi: YES! AH, I AM SO F***ING HARD RIGHT NOW!
The way you were singing “patreo-o-on 😩” was squeaky clean
Easy to see why this might confuse people who only watched the anime adaptions.
The vn does lay out a lot more details that make everything a lot clearer.
It's a shame but understandable why the adaptation can't cover everything.
I know this doesn't have to do anything with the video but apparently its Shiki's birthday today, I've been counting some shiki faces and I've got 7 in total, anyone I missed?
-Shiki Ryougi
-shiki ryougi
-SHIKI RYOUGI
-Shiki Tohno
-Void Shiki
-Ayaka sajyou
-Fake Ayaka Sajyou
-Ayako Mitsuri
SHIKI Tohno
Shiki Nanaya ( the concept)
Shiki Nanaya (resurrected through the night of Wallachia)
Fake Shiki
Dino Shiki
Remake Shiki
Lio Shirazumi
Panda Shiki
Non- Existent Shiki *cough* tsukihime anime *cough*
@@Closetorouter619 *You're dumb, what about Bananaya Shiki?*
That “how do you even do that” killed me😂
Would you consider doing a video about pre/post Grail Mud Kirei vs Soujuurou Shizuki from Mahoutsukai no Yoru?
I might give it to kirei even if it's just pure cqc. Though I think a more interesting fight would be Kirei vs Araya vs Kuzuki and yes magic is included
yorokobe shounen!
I’m curious where is that piece of dialogue from at 18:54? Heavens feel? I don’t remember that in the movie but I definitely feel like I’ve seen it before, was in only in the vn?
Not anything related to Stay Night
I was rewatching Babylonia and when they encountered Quetzalcoatl I wondered why she wasn’t a pseudo servant. Maybe she is and it just wasn’t brought up in the story, but she’s a god, so a servant container shouldn’t be able to hold her divine spirit right?
She's a type of divided spirit. Basically since all the Mesoamerican gods are alien bacteria that infect humans hosts what is actually summoned is one of the human host bodies. So she's basically a pre-built pseudo-servant in a way but without any of the loss to her divinity that usually accompanies such a thing.
So hearing the description of Zabaniya reminded me of the Lancer vs Assassin fight in Heaven's Feel movie 1. The description of Zabaniya says it only affects the heart and they will show no external damage. Yet in the movie, BEFORE Assassin actually stabs Lancer's chest, there is a big hole where Lancer's heart was. Is this an error/inconsistency or something put for the sake of the viewers, etc? Or is there something else going on?
So my father and I just finished watch the Heavens Feel movies for the first time, we watch Zero & UBW before this and my father really loved them, except for the ending of the last movie;
Could you explain how Shirou survived/how illia destroyed Angra Mainyu as it really isn’t explained in the movie.
Or point me in the direction of a previous video if you already have one on this topic.
Thank you
Shirou did not survive. His body was destroyed, however Illya used a portion of the Heaven's Feel sorcery to "materialize" his soul which is found by Rider. Sakura and Rin then find a famous puppet master and buy a puppet to house his soul. Sakura uses her magical energy to keep it in the puppet, the puppet being changed by his soul to be flesh and blood so long as he is in it.
Angra isn't destroyed by Illya. Illya closes the ritual but Angra is still in the grail and there would be another grail war in 60 years. Rin and other mages from the Clock Tower dismantle the ritual I think ten years? After F/SN.
It’s rather simple, Illya saved Shirou by using the Third Sorcery “Heavens Feel”, in the Nasuverse Sorcery/True Magic doesn’t follow the same rules as Magic/Magecraft, it can do impossible things such as Time Travel, Bringing the dead back to life, Travel between alternate Universes etc. the Third Sorcery is Heavens Feel, one application of it is the “Materialisation of the Soul” which Illya uses on Shirou at the end of the Heavens Feel Route
After the Holy Grail War, Rin and Sakura obtain a Puppet Body for Shirou’s Soul to inhabit from Touko Aozaki, a Magus who specialises in them
If it was anyone but Lancer, i wonder if kirei would have gotta further along in ubw. Or would have had to fight that servant. Would be interesting to see
Never in my lifetime would I have expected the most thoughtful, unbiased commentary on events within the Nasuverse to come from a black man. The racist within me has died its final death. You keep cooking, my brother.
Hey I wanna ask something if emiya can alter the properties of stuff around him how come he never uses stuff like chemistry even if shirous bad at it and cant do it archer should have had an infinite amount of time and should be capable of doing stuff like from full metal alchemist heck alchemy existists in fate and he doesn't persue it and since he can trace stuff even if it takes more energy than a sword shouldn't he be able to project and use any element of the periodic table including toxic or radioactive stuff at the vary least he can do a last ditch bombing against opponents he cant best hoping that radiation ends them much better than excalibur image am I right.
Emiya's natural magic he's really good at it is swords or stuff related to it to an extent that most things a normal mage would consider extremely basic are things he can't do.
E.g After Shirou/Saber's first fight with Lancer Rin is surprised that Shirou can't just fix all the damages to his house with magecraft. Though it should be noted that Rin probably has super high standards for these things.
He's very good at that specific thing that is recording swords/basic weapons into UBW and replicating them and things relating to that, the further away from that the less naturally good he is at.
E.g A shield should cost more for him trace than a sword.
He can't just trace say plasma for example. It has to be hold the concept of sword and have plasma in it that he auto copies into UBW as soon as he sees it and from there maybe he can try to experiment with doing adjustments to it.
@@ARandomGuy24but what is a sword exactly he if a sword is just a sharp object that is used for combat for whatever purpose than isn't a stick mad eout of I don't know explosives a sword like how is exacaliber a sword its made of stuff humans don't have and it shoots lasers but it's still a sword
How do you think gilgamesh fought his opponents before he met enkidu?
please do clairvoyance like what is it exactly
Seeing into the future Obviously
Attempt 108 of asking you to do a video on white wolf's world of darkness
I have a question
It's about counter force and can it see the future how did it is it omnipresent?
Its the will of the planet and the will of humanity as one abstract force, it's not A thing, it's a force of nature.
So how did it summon future emiya before they even made a contract?
emiya shirou prisma illya vs archer emiya?
Archer just wins, Miyu's Shirou could only manage ubw due to her powers.
Archer should just clear really
Only one that stands a chance is Miyu shirou
i lived dont worry
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