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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2024
- If you're reading this, the title and thumbnail are totally clickbait. This whole video is more about discussing the shortcomings and shortcuts of and made in Skyrim (and to a lesser extent, Oblivion) due to a trend of simplification and obsession with accessibility in the gaming industry, which Bethesda is not exempt from.
Sorry about the bit rate by the way, I think I just figured out how to fix that. Big thanks to a buddy of mine (whose channel I will link here if he ever uploads) for loaning me his microphone for this video while I've still got a headset mic and helping set me up on DaVinci Resolve when Vegas Pro died on me and made me restart this entire project.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 - Intro
1:00 - Setting
8:48 - The "RPG" Problem
15:27 - The Questlines
19:45 - It's not THAT bad
21:55 - Outro
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Elder Scrolls 6 will have 3 Skills "Boom Boom", "Swoosh Swoosh" and "Sparkle Sparkle". And it will have 2 Armor classes. "yes" and "not yes". 💪🏻😊
Yeah, but they will have a bunch of standing stones that let you swap out your gender, so it's all good, right? 😉
Sounds like what Capcom did in Dragon's Dogma 2, limiting every class to a single weapon and four skills.
Hopefully it’s better than the remastered games that are getting released
The Elder Scrolls 6: Skyrim 2
@@PedanticTwit DD2 is fine just be warfarer and carry sword and bow
I think it is ironic how games are becoming more casual while gamers are becoming increasingly competitive
it's super weird. blizzard loaded D4 up with a bunch of useless mechanics to increase playtime instead of just making the game hard and deep.
that came out kinda wrong but i also kinda like it
You forget all the 10 year olds and their parents wallets.
@@azoniarnl3362they on Fortnite
@@4bschaum replayed OG Diablo recently. Holy shit that games goes into deep waters fast. I had to buckle up to get through. Now that's what I call increasing playtime.
Because hardcore gamers are a massive freaking minority (which most hardcore players are incapable of noticing due to them only being in hardcore bubbles) and game companies (typically) want to appeal to the widest market possible (that market being the casual audience).
My Dad bought me this piece of perfection for $10 back in 2005. I still play this game 19 years later.
I got it for free in 2009 from a friend that gave me the OG Xbox version. I ended up getting it for PC and am playing it religiously in 2024. It's been 15 years and it's still one of the best games I've ever played.
It is such a small thing. But it is so immersive to see a road sign, walk up to it, and read the city name you are traveling to, confirming you are still on the right path.
Facts
It really does get me everytime. It’s the stability I need in a world of chaos.
right i love that mechanic
the singn exists
so u know where to go fr
Thats how I got to the imperial city in Oblivion when I was under 8 years old :D
The lore in Morrowind is wild - You couldn't make this shit up. The story directors definitely smoked salvia.
There's a story that Michael Kirkbride isolated himself and tripped on shrooms for about ten days while he wrote the background lore for Morrowind. Not sure how true it is.
@@ClarkKentai No doubt!
@@ClarkKentai wasn't it mushrooms AND crack ? That was my understanding at least.
@@ClarkKentai Its just a myth, Kirkbride was an acoholic and a smoker (he's clean now), but never did heavy drugs.
@@ClarkKentai I saw this meme. I'm pretty sure the guys who originally created it just made it up. They had a picture of Michael Kirkbride sprawled on the ground inside his place and said something like "He famously tripped on shrooms to write X book and didn't show up to work for X number of days. Todd Howard found him in his apartment like this." The image they used was actually a screenshot from a stupid, silly music video MK was in. Of course creatives do often use drugs in this manner, but I think this whole myth takes away from the fact that MK spent years in University studying religion as well as writing, among other things. It's not wonder he was able to write in such an esoteric manner.
Of course, I'm sure many would look at that music video and be like "Ah this confirms he is on drugs 24/7 for sure" anyway so, I dunno. When I see comment threads like this I always just want to say some people are just creative. That's all.
Morrowind has, without a doubt, one of the most interesting worlds in gaming.
One of the best takes on Morrowind I've seen. Yeah, the game is old, and it's a product of its time, but it's better at the things that matter for an RPG. Hell, for all the flack the dice-roll combat gets, there are still games that do that today, so all it _really_ needed was better feedback on what was happening.
Better for things for an RPG, but worse at things that make for an actual good game. The same thing applies to Fallout New Vegas when compared to Fallout 4 to be honest. A lot of people don't know this, but Morrowind also removed a lot of RPG elements that were in Daggerfall. It streamlined before long before Skyrim even existed. People just don't know that because the first 2 games weren't that popular.
@@PeteyPirahna77shut up modern fallout sucks especially fallout 4 you cod dude bros should just stick to your own shitty brain dead games morrowind and new vegas are masterpieces
@@PeteyPirahna77 What do you mean when you say "Actual good game" RPG stands for 'role playing GAME' and what makes a game 'good' depends on what fun is supposed to be found in it, Fallout 4 is an action/adventure theme park experience, NV is a narrative/choice driven experience, Stardew valley is a farming sim experience, Chess is a strategy game, and Roadwarden is essentially just an interactive novel.
People come to games for different experiences and therefore find different things fun.
this is not meant to be an attack on you in an way I was just curios.
Hit chance was a part of combat balance. Removal necessitated compensation in other aspects, such as increasing difficulty by making enemies damage sponges.
@@D--FENS Correct. More consistent hits means having to account for enemies taking damage more frequently. And unfortunately, enemy AI has never been good enough that you can compensate for the lack of miss chance by just having the AI be better fighters. So the only way to compensate for the player hitting more is if the enemies die more slowly.
Morrowing caused me and my real life friends to just walk around outside with sticks and story tell our own adventures and imagine we have armors and stuff for hours straight, all thanks to the things we saw in Morrowind
beautiful ❤
Morrowind is one of the most influential sources for my writing. It also helped me create a fun exercise regime as a kid. Heck, even now, playing it so much lately has gotten me to dial back my attitude to clients. Instead of feeling anxious and perfectionist, I'm like my character just casually putting to together the issue and taking a whack at the quest.
Why did you attack the non-hostile scrib if you didn't like being paralyzed
But...muh jelly.
I thought it’d be an easy fight and wanted to get my skills up haha
U thought 😌
What a grand and intoxicating innocence
@@Omniburgwhat a grand and intoxicating innocence
@@Omniburg how could you be so naive?
i'm literally a zoomer. I started playing Morrowind not a month ago. I grew up with Skyrim, and I LOVE Morrowind so much.
Morrowzoomers rise up
Me too, I started playing in 2018, but it was only years later that I started to appreciate it.
@@OmniburgMorrowimps
For me it was similar with Fallout.
I have over 2500 hours on Fallout 4, bought New Vegas last year and had a blast.
I still play FO4, it has it's mechanical strengths, but the roleplaying of NV makes FO4 look like a CoD campaign.
For me it was TES2 Daggerfall on Steam . Skyrim was really good ,but Daggerfall (post guide) felt good for me.
They'll never reach these highs again without Kirkbride
true
Kirkbride could not himself, sadly. Most of his last works were woke, soulless, corporate garbage.
I would love to see what Chris Avellone could do if handed the reins as lead writer. Maybe even bring back Mark E. Nelson as co-lead writer with him.
Nelson was a writers/designers for _Morrowind,_ and was the lead designer for _The Shivering Isles._
I think Avellone would relish the opportunity. While still at Obsidian, he once pitched the idea to Bethesda for Obsidian to do a New Vegas-style spin-off game in The Elder Scrolls franchise. They rejected the idea, obviously. They were probably still butthurt that Obsidian outclassed them with _Fallout_ and didn't want the same thing to happen with their own, homegrown IP.
And they don`t want to reach them. Todd wants profits with little efforts, that`s why he is waiting for the AI to become powerful enough to give it most of worldbuilding and quiest design.
@@saltydunmer3453 really?? which ones ?
Morrowind factions: they are heterogeneous groups of people, some have been infiltrated, some are corrupt, you can often choose different questgivers if you feel one of them is using you to do their dirty job or they are dangerous to the guild itself. Storylines are branched and feel like the job it is supposed to be. People complain about fetch quests... But you start out as a fetcher, do you expect to be called "the chosen one" out of the gate? Also, sometimes seemingly simple quests have more to them than it seems, as anything you fetch and any bribing/intimidating that you do undermines some other faction somehow (remember factions are friends or rivals of other factions) and rival faction members might refuse to talk to you, collaborate and will charge you more money for their services, that completely changes how you approach parts of the main quest.
Skyrim (and Oblivion's) factions: Here's a nice little story. Self contained. It doesn't affect the world or any other factions, except these ones we made up only for the questline (Silver Hand, Blackwood Company) and you'll never see them again. It's linear, conveniently short and we will take control away from you for dramatic purposes so the story can happen.
Dead on.
I am finishing Morrowind for the first time this week and the first time I played it was 20 years ago when my brother moved in after spending some years in a different state. It was the first RPG I ever played. The one tip I always remembered from him was to jump to get your acrobatic skill up so you can actually jump. Every since I was a kid I would spam jump in Elder Scrolls games, except Skyrim I guess.
Great video man, you forgot to mention that you can pick up AND carry candles in Morrowind (peak gaming experience) but other than that, solid discussion
I love being able to grab dif colored candles/lanterns to decorate my house with. And yes it is my house, the last owner disappeared mysteriously but I assure you I had nothing to do with it 👍
@@dylanevartt3219Cool. I would place candles at the top corners of my cribs, just so I could pick 'em out a distance, and one at each entrance.
Yeah... classic classic game.
Right now my end game character has swamped the lodging area of the Balmora Mages Guild with various candles and lanterns of different colors dabbled among my heaps of books, alchemy gear, and expensive loot I still haven't found an in-game reason to discover the Mudcrab Merchant to sell to or sell back and forth enough with Creeper.
Skyblivion and Skywind = The Creation engine's actual true purpose. Mod teams will be releasing the greatest, most immersive RPGs in 2025; not any AAA studio.
Dude do you think skywind will drop in 2025??
Skywind won't drop in 2025, but It's fine because it will give us time to play skyblivion
Exactly skyblivion 2025 ending, skywind 2029
Then there's also Beyond Skyrim, The Wayward Realms and Light No Fire coming.
NEW VEGAS MENTIONED NEW VEGAS MENTIONED
SO what?! No one cares about my fave game anymore .....Poor Overlord!
Overrated
@@LDW12887*Receive the lords boot*
Aint that a kick in the head, huh @@LDW12887
@@LDW12887 For your overwhelmingly monstrous behavior, you have been vilified by the community
I’m from brazil and my mom bought morrowind for me in 2012. I wasnt able to understand english, so I played 6 months morrowind without leave the census office building because, I managed to kill the npc with the butter knife that I found in the table. When I finnaly got out of the house, it was amazing kkk. I still remember. After that I start to use the translator to play the game and learned a lot. Im very grateful that my mother bought me this game.
Também joguei quando pequeno - lembro que meu irmão e eu apelidamos o jogo de "Morro dos Ventos" kkk. E para mim teve um bom impacto porque meu irmão e primos já jogavam antes e sabiam inglês melhor. Lembro que eu gostava da Bitter Coast porque, quando eu viajava para o interior ou a algum balneário, era parecido o ambiente. Então eu brincava imaginando que estava no jogo e vice-versa kkk sem falar que eu gostava de Khajiits porque eles davam pulos muito altos.
@@felipeazevedo840 legaaal, eu também chamava de morro dos ventos!!
LOL that's amazing man. Morrowind has to be the funniest way to learn English I've ever heard 😂
Definitely a classic game, I go back to it every few years
Skyrim was my first and Morrowind is my favourite, I can't enjoy Oblivion or Skyrim the same after playing MW. Its the best Bethesda game and we'll never see another like it.
I understand Skyrim, but not Oblivion? The combat in Morrowind always prevents me from diving further, along with the slow running.
@ryguy1483 morrowind combat is simple, turn on always use best attack, pick some weapon skills as major and use those weapons, hold down attack instead of spamming and go into a fight at full fatigue. Fatigue is king in morrowind. As for speed, level up speed.
highly recommend for you to check out Daggerfall Unity as well. for me it took the #1 spot from MW
@Ardieeh I forgot, I played DFunity before MW as well, thought it was really good, too ambitious for 1996 but still really good. Looking forward to the spiritual sequel Wayward Realms
@@ryguy1483 Oblivion has objectivly the worst gameplay out of the whole series. Quite literally just button mashing and damage sponges
Here my fellow N'wa you dropped this👑
Played Morrowind for the first time last month. The best part of morrowind was the fact that traveling to locations is engaging, I feel like a backpacker that has mastered a countries transit system. Maybe non-diegetic fast travel ruins some enjoyment, but in skyrim and other games like it, my eyes glaze over during travel and I basically go catatonic.
Great way to travel is creating jump spell (like 150 for 2 seconds is enough), climb some high place, pick direction, cast it and jump.. and don't forget slowfall spell when the ground gets closer (1 strength for 30s should be enough).. And you usually land near something interesting.
I highly recommend Outward then. Become an actual backpacker. :P
@UsmevavyPanacek the great part of morrowind is that you could also levitate everywhere, or use boots of blinding speed with magic resist on. So many tools to play with
@@Ichthyodactyl Outward is one of the greatest adventure games I've ever played. Just the fact that you have to use landmarks to understand where you are and traverse the map is SOOO immersive. By like 20 hours in I could travel anywhere without even opening the map because I memorized everything. Incredibly fulfilling.
@@Ichthyodactyl Reminder : Outward 2 has been anounced !!!!!
I suppose I'm a morrowboomer (played daggerfall and got morrowind during release week)
But the alien setting really did it for me, and it's the thing AI keep thinking about. The settings stuck with me all these years and I think about them surprisingly often. I also agree over casualization sucks.
It blows my mind that they gave us such a unique and alien world, and then defaulted to generic roman and norse settings. Those too could have been really unique if bethesda wasn't afraid of writing new lore
@@dylanevartt3219 Bro imagine if cyrodile was actually a temperate jungle. And that we would see different oblivion realms instead of that kinda funny voice acting. Wouldve been so peakkkkk
@theslavicrat3784 yeah they should have waited for better tech before making a game set in cyrodil
They used up all that tech for Oblivion for ai behavior and routines which tbf, is a huge step up from Morrowind’s NPC ai and quite a feat on its own but Cyrodiil should’ve been more
@@todd2.08 Even tho I kinda dislike oblivion I 100% it was huge.
The feeling "in the moment" feels way more lively in post MW games for sure. Shame they kinda fucked the society world building thing tho
Nowadays if Junior got lost in Vivec he would throw his PC through the window. Todd has thought of everything
3:41 In fairness, Morrowind _alone_ was touted as being a hostile, alien land where you might think you stepped into another realm all the way back in Redguard.
The virgin stealth archer vs the chad levetating ninja star thrower.
Morrowind LOOKS more like Skyrim than Oblivion.
Only thing holding morrowind back was the technology of the time this game is still leagues ahead of many modern games.
I miss the political complexity in Skyrim. In Morrowind for example the brother of the Duke of Vvanderfel(from Hlaalu, best buddies of the Empire) is a leader of racist criminal gang and possibly the biggest slave owner in the game and has half of fighting guild in his pocket.
Also Telvanni are possibly the least racist bunch, because they enslave every race equally :D
One of my fondest memories of Morrowind was probably the first time I ever played it way back when on the original Xbox. Picked it up one day after school based on a recommendation from a friend. Made a Nord. Spent like the first 3 hours in both the character creation and first town Seyda Neen. Finally decided to make the trek from Seyda to Balmora. Saw a dungeon and figured I'd go into every one I saw along the way. Walked into one dungeon with what I'm assuming is a Necromancer. Beat the piss out of him and his minions. Looted the dudes corpse and went to leave only to realize I couldn't move. I dropped everything I had on and still couldn't move. Didn't know what the problem was. Realized my endurance and strength had both been reduced to 1 in the fight. I probably waited for a total of 3 days in-game to see if the debuff would wear off. Never did. Deleted that character figuring it was bricked and made an Argonian instead since they were immune to disease. Proceeded to make the most overpowered character I've ever had in a video-game. Enchanted my gear so much that one jump took me from Balmora all the way to the Ashlands. Then jumped to Red Mountain and 1 shot everything in it with my brokenly overpowered bound Daedric longsword.
i find the problem in modern RPGs if u can call them that is u end up being Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains ,Leader of the companions, The Thiefs guild , The Mage college, and im a Vampire who is proficient at stealth archery.
Nice to hear you mention OpenMW... adding a few texture packs along with Tamriel Rebuilt to it is trivial and stable, which is more than anybody can say for Viking Circle Jerk.
100%. Those mods are incredible!!!
@@Omniburgespecially shotn
OPENMW removed the best parts of Morrowind ie: the “it just works” features like draining skill/attribute to train up a skill easily which feels like a glitch but completely makes sense in the logic of the game itself
i hate modern gaming so much, its like mcdonnalds or something. not fast, not cheap, but everywhere, and you can always "upgrade" for extra money.
"but now they have salads"
... smh
To expand on your point about "Bethesda doing everything on one character": not only does it kill replay ability, but it makes the game incentivize doing EVERYTHING regardless of what kind of character you're playing. I like to play the good guy imperial knight, but there are so few places where that's feasible and even the imperial legion is so shallow that I still have to go do EVERYTHING ELSE just to get the most out of my gameplay. General Tullius doesn't even reward you with imperial gear when you advance (though the lack of unique items in Skyrim is something I could go on about all day). With your dark brotherhood example, I choose to destroy the dark brotherhood and always feel jipped because because it's such a shallow experience. It feels like I am being punished because I didn't play Bethesda's way. The companions? Well I hope you're cool with being a werewolf - which I'm absolutely not okay with. The blades? Kill the coolest, most helpful dragon you meet in game. The only faction that seemed to make the good guy roleplay feel worth it was the Dawnguard, and I actually did quite like that expansion... Even though the Dawnguard didn't even have their own swords but I'll let that one slide I guess. All that to say Skyrim was a garbage RPG at best, and simply not an RPG at worst.
No hand holding. Better designed world. Skill+stats system and so on. Reading actually keeps my attention higher because of my feelings. Impact of your actions and choices. Arrows have weight. Planing. Journal. Ingenuity. With this game you can learn foreign language if you install it into it.
Arrows have weight?!?!
@@rehm402 yes. Like everything should in the game. So you can not have unlimited amount. Different types weight differently, do different dmg so you spend some time to think what you need and game give you this management which seems boring but in the same time is immersive because you can mess up or doing good. In just so small things game do make you feel that you do not play arcade.
@@petervlcko4858 "Oh hush. We wouldn't want to expect players to actually use their brains, would we?
Catering to casuals makes us so much money, why change?"
- Bethesda (probably)
@@shrouddreamer yeah true
Playing Morrowind right now. It was my first elderscrolls, but when i played it i was just a kid and didnt know wtf i was doing. going back now to replay it more seriously, i agree with all your points man. I love Oblivion and Skyrim, Morrowind is much more of an RPG. the Dialogue is much better even if it isnt voice acted. I haven't modded in better graphics yet, but i will at some point. you can fix a lot of the games age with mods.
When i was a kid my brother modded in spells for me, Morrowind brings back great memories of being a kid and fucking around with broken spells.
I suggest starting with OpenMW as a baseline when you get into modding. The engine overhaul makes the game play experience much more stable and you can pile on graphical mods after that if you want a more personalized experience.
Late Morrowind player here too. The fact that you need to pay attention to the journal hints to get to places or complete quests blew my mind, it is satisfying to achieve objectives without quest marks.
I remember the time I was going through the quest with the dwemer ruins and the box. I was lost for a few minutes in the dungeon, until I remembered something I heard on a video ablut a lot of people missing the dwemer box, so I returned to the entrance and searched everywhere for the item. I eventually found it in a room I hadn't seen before, and returned to the quest giver. It was fun to just wander around the place without anything to guide me, since I explored the dungeon more, though I hate the dungeons in Daggerfall. Those buildings, if they could be called that, are a complete architectural disaster, and not having any method to identify the target of my quest, like a small difference in the sprite, or being the only enemy of its type in the dungeon, made completing guild quests a nightmare.
Skyrim: here is a floating marker
Morrowind: here is a proper description on how to find the guy. He lives in that town in that house and visits that place every Tuesday and Friday. Go and find him.
Skyrim: Here is the exact position and a a marker of what you need.
Morrowind: @#$& you, go north find a ruin somewhere north and find the @#$&ing puzzle box.
I got morrowind back in 06 and younger me could appreciate it. The game I've spent most time on is Oblivion and ESO but now that I'm older, Morrowind and Daggerfall are good. Skyrim is the one I least go back to.
Nice vid, but for your information - you can join the Telvanni and mages guild in the same playthrough. Great Houses are the only excluvicve ones. Thieves Guild will ban you from joining if you complete a certain Fighters' Guild quest
There is a mages guild quest which can bar you from Telvanni as well, I mistakenly forgot to mention it
Yeah I'm currently a Lawman in House Telvanni and a Wizard in the Mages Guild, trying to play both sides for as long as I can.
When Skyrim released, i played it once..
called my older brother and said: this was fun, but not that special... i dont understand what the fuzz was about with the elder scrolls games.
He was like: oh.. uhmm, but uhm.. can you levitate?
Levitate? how do you mean?
In Morrowind you can levitate he said..
Just for that reason alone i picked up that game and never played skyrim again.
If i play an elder scrolls game, it will be morrowind.
I always loved Skyrim because of the map. The open world. I never thought Skyrim was a great as a rpg but I liked to explore the map.
@@williamgregg6339 well thats a good point, thats why i also think skyrim is such a different game then morrowind.. bethesda took the rpg genre en made it all about exploring and discovery, wich is fine, its just not why i play an rpg.
Where as morrowind is much more about the factions and more complex quest design etc
@@kasper-jw2441 They used to make good rpg's that was also fun to explore. They keep dumbing down the rpg aspect . Fallout is basically a more shooter than rpg.
To me the thing that made Morrowind feel alive is the fact that you had to learn to live in its world, and that the world gave the impression of existing independently from you through clever placement of NPC's, locations, and items. From the moment you get fresh off the boat you're learning about the geography, the culture, and the game mechanics at the same time. The game is filled with stuff you will only find if you go looking for it. I took a random quest in a small fishing village to escort a slave to a new owner, didn't even bother to talk to the slave, and was surprised when the new owner stabbed her to death in front of me. Turns out she was a drug mule. Well, I did reload and save the slave, killing the other dude in the process. And he's actually Caius Cosades neighbor. So... that's how I was now a proud home owner in Balmora! I camped out in his little house for the rest of my playthrough, gradually filling the shelves (and floors) with my literally millions worth of loot. I didn't buy that house, I didn't go through some designated quest to obtain it, and the game mechanics never got in my way for taking it. It was just mine, because I decided it was.
I also hear about people never encountering a certain NPC, because she hangs out in a tavern in a town not connected to the fast travel network. But I decided to walk, and stopped there for the night, so I ran into her very early. And one of the most sought after weapons was in the hands of some random dude, and you have to go out of your way to even find it.
After _Starfield,_ I have lost all of what little remained of my faith in Bethesda, and I have lost all hope that TES VI will be anything resembling a quality product. I will give it a wide berth and just content myself with the games I already own. And I look forward, instead, to _Skyblivion_ and _Skywind._ _Fallout: London_ also looks phenomenal!
The thing is that Bethesda has not done a good game in ages. Morrowind so far looks like their magnus opus. I remeber Oblivion house armour DLC mess. That was the point I lost faith in Bethesda. Also Bethesda has really messed up Fallout. TES VI will be skyrim 2.0 if you are lucky, Fallout 76 at lunch if unlucky.
@@EcardEcardian Bahahaha yeah ok lets check sales and current player numbers......Skyrim is the GOAT and it is not even debatable. You can like Morrowind better but that does not mean it is there best game, period.
@@jmangames5562 Compare the games content. In Morrowind. You go from a average joe to a demigod. There are different houses. Different guilds. They have likes and dislikes. They got their friends and foes. It is not like you can join anyone willy nilly. Got to pick what you what. But when you become a demigod. Even the guilds that hated your guts speak to you with respect, because they know you can crush them like a bug with your pinky. The puzzles in Morrowind expect you to have higher brain function then a toddler. Im looking at Skyrim. Not only that Morrowind does not have the peaky quest arow saying over here you nubnuts. You need to go somewhere in Morrowind. Ask the locals. They give you an idea where to go. Skyrim is really bland. And does not really feel like you changed anything. You go to Skyrims version of Valhalla and back. Kill the big bad. You can even win a civil war. Get almost at the top of that faction. Yet the NPC in that faction talks to you like you are a nobody. That faction and guild system dumbdown and made hallow started in Oblivion. Skyrim just kept at it. Sure, looking at what game is played the most on Steam. A game from 2002 or a game that has been remade none stop for a decade. Easyer to assume it is the newer game. Then one more thing. Skyrim loves to hold your hand. This NPC cannot be killed. Morrowind. Go ham and do whatever you what, might what to reload to get the game on the road.
@jmangames5562 Most people have low standards. Success and quality don't always go hand-in-hand. Skyrim also came out at a time when the audience for video games was several times larger, and it was heavily advertised.
I lost hope when Skyrim came out, and the next Bethesda games were even worse. Morrowind is a masterpiece - there is no game like it.
I’m a Morrowind elitist, and y’all n’wahs should play it.
I am a proud morrozoomer. Skill issue to anyone who can't play it.
i remember playing morrowind back in the day, it was so much harder than modern games. we didn't have internet guides to help you, no mini maps, no quest markers, vague directions to the objective, limited fast travel, and a strategy guide the size of a phonebook. such a great game.
i couldn't beat it until i was grown up
You can get a mini map in Morrowind. All you have to do is click on the corner of the map to lock it on the screen. You can then resize it and move to a location you like.
Although I only do this when using detect magic or detect key spells.
@UlricTheWolf I love how the menu system works, being able to resize and move around all the menus. Plus it's everything instantly on one page instead of tabbing through skyrims console-optimized ui
Morrowinds replay ability is crazy for example I’m playing a mage right now and focusing on telvanni house but when I’m eventually done with my save I will want to try something different such as being a character that uses a melee weapon and when I’m done with that and want to try something else well then the cycles continues and each time I will learn more and more and be more immersed in the world
The dawnguard quest line has choices that affect the outcome of the game like joining the dawnguard rather than the vampire lords. In a way it's the same as the civil war quest line where you choose a side and then gain benefits completely independent from either side.
I feel like a lot of game series are like this where there's a divide between the old school players and people who started with the modern games butting heads over which game is better. Like monster hunter has this same issue where the older players are blinded with nostalgia from the early generation games that look like doodoo and have really poor quality of life features but birthed a lot of the core mechanics and monsters while the modern games tone things down and have a ton of quality of life features but old school will say gen 5 games suck the same way old school elder scroll players say skyrim sucks
Solid content keep it coming man
the fact that bethesda ia remaking oblivion before morowind is a travesty...
I've never seen anyone say all the things I've been thinking all these years like you did. I've always loved the combat system BECAUSE of how it ties in with roll-playing; basically it is virtual 3D D&D but with a completely original plot and world. I've played this game since I was very little and now I want to start another playthrough
The problem is tod howard vision, "keep it simple" but at the same time make it as big as possible at the expense of it being empty and dull
You are right
Oblivion was really good, but I felt it was mechanically lacking, combat was simple, magic was simple, speech skill was simple, but it was there and i liked it and as i waited for elder scrolls 5, hoping it woukd be skyrim (icelandic so the northern theme speaks to me) it was skyrim! Happy i was, waited in line for my copy at the 11.11.11 i what wonderful times. I played it. Yea it looked okay, wait, the spells are even simpler then oblivion, were is a huge revamped speech skill, why is combat just as simple , where are the improvments!?!? Everyrhing is getting simpler and dumber
It must have been disappointing as a long time fan like that
@Omniburg it really was , the game felt so unpolished. I really tried to like it because it was exactly what i had wanted but, the quests were underwhelming and i became champion of every guild after fetching somebody lunch like 3 times and the civil war was only like 12 people arguingand juat such a let down
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I had an idea a few years ago on how to play Skyrim in a way to make it more interesting. I simply stopped using the fast travel via the map markers and when I noticed the game wasn't exactly build for that I installed some mods that greatly expanded upon the in universe fast travel system by connecting the important places up more thoroughly via carriage and boat and added divine intervention back in.
The result was actually astonishing, especially when combined with survival mechanics, vanilla or modded. I saw so much more of the game world and getting to a place felt so much more fulfilling. Sure, completing objectives takes much longer but the real objective was the adventure along the way.
Also, shoutout to one my favorite mod series in Skyrim, Cities of the North. Greatly helps enhancing the feeling of being a fantasy world by changing the hold capitals up while remaining very lore friendly and fitting right in.
Morrowind is better than every game
I was a teen when i first played Morrowind at a friends house and I loved it. I would go visit my friend every day just to play Morrowind at his PC. When my mom told me we would get a pc I took a train (without telling my mom) and went and bought an original copy of Morrowind with my pocket money. First thing that i did when we got the pc was to install Morrowind. If you are thinking about playing Morrowind the advice I have is read the dialogues and maybe keep and a pen an paper handy although the "newer" journal is amazing and has all the info you will ever need.
Its a beautiful piece of art.
People who comment about Morrowind’s age don’t realize the distance between Morrowind to Skyrim is shorter than between Skyrim and now.
The main thing I miss from games like Morrowind is the fact that they didn’t HOLD YOUR HAND the entire game. I really wish Bethesda would go back to making games for us RPG nerds, and NOT worry about if casuals will like it or not. If you please your main audience, others will like it too..
I actually like Morrowind, especially It's 21 classes. With the release of Skyrim Anniversary Edition, I can actually use the Morrowind classes in Skyrim. Now that I am able to see the skills from older elder scrolls games. Skyrim did not actually remove the things people actually thought they did. Spears don't actually exist in Skyrim, but the Stalhrim, Ebony, and Orcish Battleaxes are Halberd types and would considered to be spears in Morrowind. The creation club batteaxe that looks a Spear is in fact a Spear, it just falls in the two-handed category and it benefits from the battleaxe perks. Hand to Hand is now a perk in Heavy Armor, Mysticism is broken off into the 5 schools of magic, fatigue is now part of Survival Mode, intelligence is now a perk in the schools of magic, endurance is together in the stamina attribute and strength is in the form of perks. The only weapons missing in Skyrim are ninja stars, but those are replaced with throwing spiders, and Scrolls. Fenrik's Welcome is back in Skyrim which is a spell that opens expert or lower level chests. That spell has been around since Daggerfall and that was awesome to see it return to Skyrim. As for a true RPG? Daggerfall wins that title in my opinion. The dungeons suck in Daggerfall which Morrowind beats Daggerfall in Dungeon Design and Skyrim even better than both Morrowind and Daggerfall, but Daggerfall wins the RPG elements for how much emphasis the game persists that you do the miscellaneous quests first before the main quest ever begins. The RPG elements are so well put together, you can't even tell which is the main quest on your first playthrough. To this day, no other game has come close to Daggerfall's RPG elements and I like the way Morrowind follows almost the same thing. Skyrim is optional if you want to be hand held, but as a Elder Scrolls boomer, you and I must follow the small quests first before you are ready to begin the main quest. That's what Bethesda is expecting of their older fanbase to do.
And much of this only became available 10 years later in a paid DLC, while the modding community had already created
Morrowboomer isn't about when you play morrowind, its about the level of love it provokes from you. From a Morrowboomer: Ya' Morrowboomer
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Skyrim is that nice chill friend that you hang out with not because they'er intreasting, but because you enjoy being around them, even though they can be extremly boring at time.
Morrowind is their not very talkitive very dickish older sibling, that has really wild, cool and funny stories and a suprising amount of friends, that they let you hang out with because why not?
Playing Morrowind was my best gaming experience ever. There were a few other games later on that came close, but nothing else was so memorable.
I played Morrowind back in 2004. It's 20 years later and I'm still waiting to feel the same level of immersion I felt in Morrowind.
Even when I go back to Morrowind, all the emotions of adventure are still there.
Morrowind is a 9. Oblivion is a 6. Skyrim is a 7, maybe 8 with mods.
Morrowind is perfect in its dated jankiness. Still play it 100% vanilla all these years later!
Nicely put together and good argument, thank you
Story telling. Atmosphere. World building. Soundtrack. And to a lesser extent voice acting
These are my hallmarks of a good game. Morrowind was much more ominous than Skyrim and the characters particularly Dagoth Ur and the tribunal story were deeply fascinating
This was an excellent take on the comparison between Morrowind and Skyrim in particular and older versus newer open world rpgs in general. I too only played Morrowind in the last few years and it really impressed me with its setting, story, and options.
Is Skyrim a shit? Yes. It is.
As somebody who’s always been more into BioWare and Square Enix RPGs, none of Bethesda’s games clicked for me until Starfield, and now that I’ve beaten that game I’m going back to Skyrim and Fallout 3 and really enjoying it. I know a lot of diehards hate on Starfield, but as somebody who needs a good setting to lure me into a massive RPG, it’s made me go back to older games. I stumbled on your video looking for beginner Morrowind builds because I want to tackle that game next.
Morrowing is god tier shit. One of the best gaming experiences in my life. Its a way of life
You know Skyrim's story is cooked when one of the most downloaded mod is to tell Delphine "Hey I'm the leader of the Blades now and I say we don't kill the dragon that has helped us w defeating Alduin" instead of bending over backwards to her demands like a low class soldier.
My faith in Bethesda has been waning for a good long while now, but Starfield completely obliterated the little I had left. They've driven themselves from my favorite game developer to a game company I couldn't possibly care less about.
Honestly starfield reminds me of arena, daggerfall, and morrowind
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I'm a Morrowboomer. I played Morrowind as a 13-14 year old and it's still my favourite game of all time. That said, while Skyrim has been the most commercially successful of TES games (and is my second favourite game) I feel it has done irreparable damage *BECAUSE* of its success. Todd Howard comes across as a dude that just wants to make all the fans happy and that's noble. But the bigger the fan base gets, the more mixed the fan base gets (people whos favourite game is the Witcher or Elden Ring or Dragon Age but play because it's in the genre) the harder it is to please them all. I haven't played Starfield but I read a comment that said it's "the oldest new game I've ever played". Has that dude played anything other than Skyrim? That's Bethesda's MO. Make a game that's rough around the edges but then makes a playground where you're free to be what you want. I'm sure Starfield would have been great if Bethesda stopped trying to please everyone and just made a playground for the old-school RPG fan
I got to morrowind late also, it's the one elder scrolls game I can get emersed in, I think it helps because u need to pay attention to what npcs are telling u in game. Honestly the others feel shallow when I try to play them after morrowind.
So true about casualization of modern games.
I agree with most of what you say. Morrowind is one of my favorite games of all time. It's in my personal top 10. I've put put literally hundreds of hours into it. I haven't been able to put more than probably about 10 hours total into skyrim, 5 hours when it came out another 5 hours literally 10 years later. However, I think your comments on combat and how easy it is isn't fair. I agree combat isn't hard. It's not, it's a piece of cake in the game. It makes perfect sense once you understand it but I, at least, don't remember anywhere where it makes it obvious how it functions. It's something you either have to discover after a lot of messing around or read up to figure out and games today do tend to make that stuff easier to understand or just more intuitive. I don't expect a game to hold my hand but I think it'd be good for one of the most essential basic components of the game to be at least somewhat understood at the start. It is one it's most aged components.
I remember before Mowwowind came out, it was said that the characters could age, the grass would grow and if you chopped down a tree it would regrow. Of course this turned out to be nothing. I still loved the game though and played it for years.
glad a new generation is playing morrowind. good job young lad
Morrowind was my introduction to elder scrolls games. Spent soo much time playing it
I really want to play Morrowind but it just feels so dated to me, it's hard for me to enjoy :( Did anyone have the same problem?
Same here, but give it some time; you will be amazed.
Also you can use morrowind openmw, just google it.
Morrowind - a game with deep RPG elements from leveling, skills, math behind it, fleshed out factions, requiring your attention to solve ingame Q and stuff but with completely unbalanced and unrestricted sandbox gameplay. Cheffs kiss
i remember being pumped for oblivion thinking it was gonna be massive like morrowind and was so sad when it wasnt :(
You weren't born when Morrowind released? I'm way too frickin' old....
In my opinion the one thing Skyrim suffered with the most was being made with consoles in mind
The game where you swing a sword but do no damage because imaginary dice is totally better than the greatest open world game ever made.
Morrowind is the best game Bethesda has ever made, and given the direction in which they've been going over the last several years... I really can't see that ever changing.
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"Skyrim is not an RPG"
THANK YOU!
If Morrowind is going into the wilderness, Skyrim is visiting a park.
Morrowind is an RPG. Skyrim is a power fantasy.
Facts, we need more games like Kenshi that kick your butt and force you to build yourself into a hero, making the payoff feel real and rewarding
Hey, I like Morrowind, Skyrim, and Starfield.
Being leader of all the guilds is indeed something that shouldn't be that easy.
As a comparison:
I've been playing Jurassic World Evolution over the last couple weeks. It's basically Zoo Tycoon or Theme Park, but with dinosaurs and the Jurassic Park/Jurassic World franchise.
There are three divisions that offer you contracts, which will give bonuses when fulfilled and increase your reputation what that division. But fulfilling a contract for one division also reduces the reputation with the other two.
Taking a hint from that here is how it could work in Elder Scrolls:
Every time you finish a quest for a guild and/or faction, your reputation with them increases. Similar to how in Oblivion you get promoted when progressing.
But the kicker is, your reputation with certain other factions will decrease.
For the Dark Brotherhood as example, every time you gain with them, you lose with the empire (from the civil war quest), the stormcloaks and empire will lower each other, The collage of winterhold and companions with each other (one magic, the other physical combat) The companioins and the thieves guild (violence vs non-violent action), etc.
Maybe even bring back some sort of Karma system. If you act like a villain, people will treat you like one. If you act like a hero, people will treat you like one. A bit like how the faction system in NEw Vegas works.
I'm old and played this game when it first came out. It was the first Elder Scrolls game I ever played and it blew me away. I never finished it though. I might just have to go back to it.
It is possible to join the fighters, mages and thieves guild, you just have to join in the right order.
At the risk of sounding like a Morrowind elitist, I don't disagree with a single thing you said. I love Skyrim, but overall in my opinion Morrowind is better, despite it's age, graphics, clunkiness and combat system etc. I feel extremely validated. Great video!
Imo, you aren't an elitist. An Elitist would be shitting on people for playing a game you don't like.
People don’t appreciate super hardcore rpgs anymore… Morrowind will stand the test of time. That and Oblivion (nostalgia reasons but also amazing game)
you make a good point about casual gamers being the cause of good rpgs being dumbed down lol i miss the morrowind, gothic, risen, days of rpgs. at least oblivion was able to have a happy median
Im geting old, I remeber when this gem of a game came out. Morrowind is as good as it gets when coming to elders scrolls games., it is all down hill after Morrowind. What happend to RPG games? What happened to Bethesda? They where the kings of RPG games. Now they are a joke. Im geting the feeling that Morrowind was Bethesda´s magnus opus.
I'm a Morroboomer. I was 12 when the game came out, and I've played it off and on over the years. While I love Skyrim too, it's strong suit is the environment. It's cozy. You settle in. But Morrowind's mechanics, guilds (longer and more of them--politics are also more mature), alienness, and occasional terror, make me like I have to earn my way. I have to study (train my magic attributes), condition (physical attributes--to the point that versatility can be a play style to leverage), and learn to navigate society and the landscape. I even get to have spears and halberds, is that too much to ask for? As my play through closes, I think about maybe going to Oblivion...and all that got lost between games. Do I go back to my Skyrim play through? More lost (but I have some awesome mods bringing as much Morrowind in as possible), so it's weird.
Having played Morrowind first, I was dumbfounded that they took away levitation magic. Freaking Mages Guild, N'wahs the lot of them. Perhaps they falsely viewed naked men falling from the sky as a bad thing, but I can assure you it's absolutely a net gain.