With airspawn it is very time efficient ground pounder with ton of .50cal ammo and ccip for guns. My median match lasts less than 8min (rarely burn min fuel) gets me 1st strike ,17 kills and thunderer and usually 1 base kill or surprise (bomb kill) if enemy decides to chase. It's good in role of deal as much damage before enemy gets you and jump into another match. So U.S. one I see as justified at 8.3. Any other (no airspawn I'd rate at max 7,7)
Having flown f-84f in 1,6k (45%win rate) missions. Only way to get reliable kill is either head on with stealth ammo, or bomb kill when enemy chases you. After that enemy has to fly through your crosshair to be worth dumping ammo to deal enough damage for kill. Any and I mean ANY turn burns energy. My strat for turning is to move mouse where I plan to turn and tap s (down) key to keep speed above 800kph. (Update: it was. Gaijin has disabled guns ccip so it lost its only benefit) Imho That being said it's good ground pounder with guns ccip accurate up to 2,5km. With airspawn and proper planning you manage to kill most of stationary ground targets (thunderer is nearly guaranteed if flown properly) and get time for 6/5 base HP dmg (2x 2k lbs+2x1k lbs) before enemy catches you. So if it was any lower in br it would be too powerful as ground pounder. I'm hellish glad I managed to grind German one and used it to grind best german bomber: f4f before nerf (only us one gets airspawn now so all others should be at least 0,3 br lower)
So glad it wasn't just me, when I was trying to grind the F-84F so many years ago I got so pissed off because at the time I didn't realize it was at 8.3 because of it's GRB capabilities not it's ARB capabilities. It's second to the current top tier stock grind in it's ability to stress me out
The problem with the "It's not a fighter" argument is that Gaijin sees every plane as a fighter and hasn't remade the game mode to push planes into their respective roles. My changes would be to make it so only bombers can kill bases, strike aircraft should get higher base rewards for attacking ground targets while having their killstreaks changed to only go off those targets(with the first bonus being set to at least 10 kills) and then fighter planes should be basically the current system but with a base reward bonus from AI planes. Would also like to see a wave based respawn system for 6.0 planes and up so you could play a bit more tactically with bombers by bringing them out after the initial rush of fighters.
God that last match really does feel like all my warthunder matches in every plane - entire enemy team goes for me, evade a bunch of them but they just so hard focus me (and my entire team does fuckall) and i just get slaughtered
The j32 has the same problems as this does with the added annoyance of fighting f8u almost every game but instead of having bad energy retention it has energy retention that is so much better than every other plane that they reverse you by just existing. Also you a slower than everything else.
I KNEW IT! I was so excited for this plane and then I felt more hopelessness in the first 2 hours of flying it, than in my entire previous WT career. Cool vid too, it is always nice to see mistakes like SnekyPotato turning back into your guns.
Heh, funny to see this when I was looking at - bah, whichever french premium they brought back briefly, a vatour? With cannons, no (or manually) guided missiles, and even their description was mostly "no, this plane's not good for this, or this, or this...."
i havnt played absolutely every plane in the game but ive played the vast majority and the only plane ive actually given up on spading was the mystere IVA
Oh man... Back then i use this jet for event grinder by taking advantage it had airspawn and rush toward AI attacker, there's 6 attacker and if you managed to kill them all its easy 1800 point, combine with rank multipler will net you 2300+ point per match After that i rushed back to airfield, reload but not take off, i watch how my team go, if they doing pretty well i continue with base bomb and ground pound, if not i just leave the game, if i got penalty i'll just switch to another nation F-84F (french, german, italy all got F-84F lmao) There's also sweden SAAB-105 that perform even better with 2 9B for quicker kill Unfortunately this strategy no longer work with gaijin increase the amount of time AI attacker to spawn (patch note mention its there to prevent player radar missile mistakenly lock into AI, but that is just stupid since its applied through all br)
I recommend any night fighter variant of Do-217. It's basically a bomber without bombs and quite heavy forward-facing armament, and it flies like a brick
Defyn, I would like to nominate the Pe-2-359 and the LeO 451 Early/Late as they have their own qualties of rubbishness. Also special mention to the Tu-2S-59 at 5.7 with 2 Shvaks. If the worst plane in the game is one where no matter how bad the enemy is, they will still win, than these planes will make sure they do. LeO 451 is a medium bomber at 3.0 that makes your brain convulse from the decisions of French aircraft designers to strap 1 singular 7.5mm machinegun with 300 rounds to the front and a fire rate of 1350 rpms granting 13 seconds of firing time and a hail of bullets that almost reaches 23 rifle calibre rounds a second. Add that you only fire 220 grams of lead a second and this plane has less total ammunition mass onboard than an F4F-3 can put out of its 4 50.calibre brownings in a single second or a Tu-2S at 5.7. Pe-2-359 is the dishonorable entrant at 4.3 with a single 12.7 and 7.62 mounted in the nose. While the per second burst mass may be a "respectable" improvement over the LeO with 1.1kg/s, the ammunition count is not. With your amazing accuracy and trigger discipline, it may not be a problem, but for me the 8 seconds of fire on the Berezin UB is certainly less than ideal. For some reason, the fire rate is closer to an M3 50.cal than an M2 while carrying a quarter of the rounds on a M4 Sherman. And when that is out, you'll realize that the aircraft is chucking the 450 rounds of 7.62 into the air faster than a MiG-29. Aircraft that don't quite make the cut include the Bristol Blenheim's right wing mounted 7.7 that Spiff managed to get an ace in, Hampden TB for having the same problem at a higher br, S.M.79 for having the same problem but with 3 engines at a higher br, Ju-88 for having the same problem at a higher br, B6N for having what I believe is the lowest single second burst in game, and the Firefly Mk V for making a single engine aircraft feel like a 4 engine bomber. But to be complete rounding off top tier includes horrible picks such as the Jaguar GR.1A (or GR.1 if you prefer to fly without flares and a weaker engines), Buccaneer S.2 which will allow you to subsonically sling a pair of AIM-9Bs at a BR of 9.3 as your only weapon, any of the strike Tornadoes because performance is overrated, Mirage 2000D, A-7E for another subsonic at 10.7 dub with 2 rear aspect 18g missiles, Strikemaster Mk.88 and finally the Su-25 SM3. Happy hunting!
I feel so vindicated because I just got here on the tech tree. I thought the plane was ass but then I thought it was a skill issue. Now I know better lol
Can you try ad-2 and be a low altitude goblin? Its absolutely hilarious that you pretty much can pull a reversal into everything with your 3000hp engine and insane turn radius and no one expects a fat ground attacker to eat their ass before they can cry for their mommy
still, if you play the F-4C really carefully you can get kills and the flight performance is somewhat bearable, the plane will be nowhere near good but not as bad as the F-84
totally, flying the 7.7 meteor I found out that I actually get more kills in uptiers on average since the people there are just disabled and try to dogfight everything
F-84F and Tornado ADV are the strong contenders. F-84F was useful for like 2 days when Gaijin added a CCIP for its bombs and rockets. 4 100lbs at 8.3 was quite something back then. Otherwise, this jet is just suffering, that was added like 3 years too late
The only enjoyment i get while playing the b57 is baiting a sea vixen into thinking im an easy kill until they cant get a lock because i have my engines turned off.
This plane used to be good as it was 8.0 and it got constant down tiers to like 7.0-7.7 so it absolutely slaughtered, then gaijin made the brilliant move of making every Sabre and every Mig-15/17 0.3br lower so now it only fights them
@@aleski6506 oh yeah it's an absurdly good energy fighter, at least relative to other 9.0s it's not good at anything else though, and even many 9.3s (cough cough MiG-19, F-100, F-104) do the whole energy fighting bit better as well as being better in many other ways too
My 2 cents, F86K on the french tech tree is the worst, half because its an F86K, half because being in the french team, you get uptiered more and placed in random teams more. Spaded that thing not long ago and in my 11 years playing this game, its been the most painful grind
And don't forget: there are premium versions of this junk (maybe it was a good thing i picked the A-4E instead as my premium jet for Israel back than, tough i still think its a pile of trash). Kinda have similar bad experience with my "Shenyang F-5" as: what downtiers? the guns! can't catch anybody on my BR! 2/3 times i die is do to how badly the plane locks up above 850km/h and just crash! the guns! poor brakes no chute so i usually need the long runway. the guns! And why its still 9.3 when the Sabers went down?
If this is the plane I'm thinking of, I tried spading this plane like a year ago. I just remember after like 3 or 4 games, I didn't touch it ever again. I think I have half a module grinded and that's it.
@@alexandreaudard4309 no doubt about it but sadly I have Ray Charles' aim so the only rockets I manage to use are the really fast ones or things that don't require aim at all (like Tiny Tims)
They are more than usable, grinded from stock to spaded every french plane up to rank 6 and yes the very low tier gets stomped by the ufos that are th i15 or the i16 but you can pretty much fight any other plane of the br bracket
It's overtiered as hell, but the R2Y2 has at least some advantages against other planes that you can take advantage of. Plus very good guns, even if they have gotten nerfed a bit. It's not nearly as painful to play as the F-84F.
Hey defyn, you should do a video on one of the aj37s, one is at 10.3 with 2 missiles and the other is at 10.7 with 6 missiles (thats if you dont bring guns or counter measures) i think theyre pretty good, but they're VERY under reviewed. So you should definitely do it sometime
This plane is the sole reason I have rank 7 swedish jets, if it wasn't for free food that is F-84Fs that tried to dogfight me, I wouldn't be able to grind past middle of rank 5. Only early Swedish jets that are good are J29A and SAAB 105G.
was a bit excited to get it as a ground pounder for ground rb , knew it wouldn't be amazing since it was an f84 (never played one they just suck anytime i see or dogfight one in air and ground rb) . played it and thought its just the pilot and than proceeded for play 4 games with 3 kills max mainly from head ons . this thing is just horrible at everything.
Only took me two attempts to realize this plane was an absolute Pig... And then I realized that EVERYONE was after me ai immediately switched back to the F-86 and started hunting F-84s because the -84 just REFUSES to turn; makes for a very easy target.
gaijin really messed up f111 and its gun, when the crosshair is in the middle the gun shoots like half way of bottom/middle of the screen and speed bleed is depresssing when the plane has no thrust at 700-800km/h range where it ends up after a gentle turn everytime. it would be semi ok if the gun wasnt all fkd up, i could fight some people in it wings front but never get my guns on target in a fight. i just straight up skipped f84 after test flying it in one match lol
0:13 bro just casually killed the Tu-4 with rocket pots thought we didn't notice lol
Bro thinks he’s HUEEY
The proxy fuses make it possible
There was no proxy
@@Smojo10 Ah yes, the mighty mouse proxy
Tu-4 is a overtiered vehicle any way.
Defyn: THIS PLANE IS SHIT!1!!!!
Also Defyn: 7 kills in said shit plane
That is thanks to 99% of Air RB players having a maximum of a singular braincell
Meanwhile me: 1 kill, damn, what a good match this was
@@smigoltime smigga you should play this but drunk
@@smigoltime play it at 13.0
@@smigoltime wait, the people in your games have braincells? damn, I must be playing at the wrong times then...
Dwang Zhongshon "Che-Rock-San" has been insulted, -100 000 social credits to you.
I remember u said, u wont play this plane ever -_-
Gayjin said there won't be rank 5 premium did it?
blud ran out of content 😭
@@evananthony1395 i have 16 vids ready
@@DEFYN i submit 🙇
@@DEFYN 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The 8.3 Vautour with an all flying tail yet the single worst turn rate ever beats this imo, altho getting radar missile kills can be fun
Grinding for the Vautour radar missile is by far the single worst thing I've ever experienced in this godforsaken game.
Vautour has an advantage on some planes though
It was infinitely more playable
at least that plane is really fast for its br, the f84f can be caught by all of its competition and cant really do anything against any of them
@@DEFYNthe Vautour with the all-flying tail also has an advantage on the basis that the elevator input might be fixed soon (delusional)
@@Xiphactinus Haha you wish, if it actually turned as well as the 9.0 vautours (it should turn better) then it would be pretty good
0:30 and here we see Defyn questioning his life choices
A post from half an hour ago while the video went live 1 minute ago?
how the fuck-
A bug in the matrix
I met a guy literally yesterday who was OBSESSED with the F84-F. He had ove 400 matches and a positive K/D on all four in the game. What timing.
Some of us like to take really shit vehicles and overcome the odds. Its like a challenge
@@floridamanstrikesagain6915makes the game very fun doing this)
masochism
Petition to force Defyn to fly something he actually enjoys.
No video even, just fly something you like, man, this is painful to watch.
Deffyn:
23:59 : I will not play the F84
00:00 : Looking for the worst plane in the game
The f84f is even worse in the other tech trees as it doesn't get the airspawn in those
“Rasor gets 3 kills in the background, just ignore the middle one” 😂
I still can’t comprehend why this plane is 8.3, when they added it at 8.7 I really just assumed it would go straight to 8.0
With airspawn it is very time efficient ground pounder with ton of .50cal ammo and ccip for guns.
My median match lasts less than 8min (rarely burn min fuel) gets me 1st strike ,17 kills and thunderer and usually 1 base kill or surprise (bomb kill) if enemy decides to chase.
It's good in role of deal as much damage before enemy gets you and jump into another match.
So U.S. one I see as justified at 8.3.
Any other (no airspawn I'd rate at max 7,7)
@@kudui21 since when does it have gun ccip
@@PrintScreen. defyn literally said in the video that it gets gun ccip, fuck you mean when
@@reinbeers5322 chill out lmao
My question still remains, since when
@@PrintScreen.At least 2 years (that's when I started flying it)
You need to enable it at start of each match. And it works only for ground targets
Drinking game: take a shot every time defyn or spookston says absolutely
Absolutely not
@@DEFYN play mig21pfm please
18:30 Rasor is killing it! But don't look at the middle one 😂
The real worst plane in the game is whichever one I happen to be flying at the time
If we're doing bad planes you gotta do a Sakeen video
Didn't he already do so? Sakeen deez nuts
It's not the worst, i spaded it without any major issues. It's bad but not this level of bad
I have done it and its nowhere near as bad as this
@@DEFYN it's funny that i said that but TH-cam basically deleted my comment
sakeen is bad, but it has some exploitable aspects that you can use to advantage unlike the f84f lmao.
Looks like I found it way before you, it’s just whichever plane i use
Having flown f-84f in 1,6k (45%win rate) missions.
Only way to get reliable kill is either head on with stealth ammo, or bomb kill when enemy chases you. After that enemy has to fly through your crosshair to be worth dumping ammo to deal enough damage for kill.
Any and I mean ANY turn burns energy.
My strat for turning is to move mouse where I plan to turn and tap s (down) key to keep speed above 800kph.
(Update: it was. Gaijin has disabled guns ccip so it lost its only benefit)
Imho That being said it's good ground pounder with guns ccip accurate up to 2,5km.
With airspawn and proper planning you manage to kill most of stationary ground targets (thunderer is nearly guaranteed if flown properly) and get time for 6/5 base HP dmg (2x 2k lbs+2x1k lbs) before enemy catches you.
So if it was any lower in br it would be too powerful as ground pounder.
I'm hellish glad I managed to grind German one and used it to grind best german bomber: f4f before nerf (only us one gets airspawn now so all others should be at least 0,3 br lower)
Oh and I forgot.
If you want to turn down it's faster to do barrel roll, turn up and do another barrel than to use down key by itself
What kills me is the stock grind, in realistic ground battles it should be OK to fly.
So glad it wasn't just me, when I was trying to grind the F-84F so many years ago I got so pissed off because at the time I didn't realize it was at 8.3 because of it's GRB capabilities not it's ARB capabilities. It's second to the current top tier stock grind in it's ability to stress me out
Don't forget they took away the airspawns of the non-US ones too, for some reason
Wait, the US ones get airspawn ?
Plane was too good
@@joundii3100The US F-84F is rank 5 so it does get airspawn. Other nations are rank 6 so don't.
Also the rocket CCIP doesn't work on the German one
@@yamatokurusaki5790 It doesn't have any kind of ccip in any version to my knowledge
The problem with the "It's not a fighter" argument is that Gaijin sees every plane as a fighter and hasn't remade the game mode to push planes into their respective roles. My changes would be to make it so only bombers can kill bases, strike aircraft should get higher base rewards for attacking ground targets while having their killstreaks changed to only go off those targets(with the first bonus being set to at least 10 kills) and then fighter planes should be basically the current system but with a base reward bonus from AI planes. Would also like to see a wave based respawn system for 6.0 planes and up so you could play a bit more tactically with bombers by bringing them out after the initial rush of fighters.
God that last match really does feel like all my warthunder matches in every plane - entire enemy team goes for me, evade a bunch of them but they just so hard focus me (and my entire team does fuckall) and i just get slaughtered
The j32 has the same problems as this does with the added annoyance of fighting f8u almost every game but instead of having bad energy retention it has energy retention that is so much better than every other plane that they reverse you by just existing. Also you a slower than everything else.
Thanks I needed this to cope with my lack if success in this plane
I fucking hated using this thing back when I was grinding the tech tree.
I thought I was just shit
@@Jatzki it’s the energy retention, it’s what hinders it’s performance greatly. That and its mediocre acceleration
At least it flies slightly faster than that seaplane po-2.
Nothing like watching people playing one of your most played planes in the game :D
KILL ME
@@sniff8565 they probably already have
@@sniff8565 you won euros, cheer up smh
Tbh it’s pretty good for rushing base and a half at start of the match. Coming back to base is where the real problem starts 🤣
Honestly this dumpster fire of a plane could probably go down to 7.7 and still get fondl3d by the planes at that BR
it was very nice meeting u in-game me and my friend were against you on the enemy team
I KNEW IT! I was so excited for this plane and then I felt more hopelessness in the first 2 hours of flying it, than in my entire previous WT career. Cool vid too, it is always nice to see mistakes like SnekyPotato turning back into your guns.
Heh, funny to see this when I was looking at - bah, whichever french premium they brought back briefly, a vatour? With cannons, no (or manually) guided missiles, and even their description was mostly "no, this plane's not good for this, or this, or this...."
I originally played this thinking. "Hey it looks like the sabre. Must be good!" I was so wrong
I use it as a fighter in GRB. Great CAS loadout that can transition to CAP
When I read the title of the video, I immediately thought it would be an F3H-2 video.
i havnt played absolutely every plane in the game but ive played the vast majority and the only plane ive actually given up on spading was the mystere IVA
huh, I thought the super mystere was much worse
It's a solid plane
This plane has been abysmal for literally years, thanks for covering my pain.
Oh man...
Back then i use this jet for event grinder by taking advantage it had airspawn and rush toward AI attacker, there's 6 attacker and if you managed to kill them all its easy 1800 point, combine with rank multipler will net you 2300+ point per match
After that i rushed back to airfield, reload but not take off, i watch how my team go, if they doing pretty well i continue with base bomb and ground pound, if not i just leave the game, if i got penalty i'll just switch to another nation F-84F (french, german, italy all got F-84F lmao)
There's also sweden SAAB-105 that perform even better with 2 9B for quicker kill
Unfortunately this strategy no longer work with gaijin increase the amount of time AI attacker to spawn (patch note mention its there to prevent player radar missile mistakenly lock into AI, but that is just stupid since its applied through all br)
Even with however bad top tier air grinding gets I’d still say spading this piece of junk was the worst experience I’ve had in air rb
I recommend any night fighter variant of Do-217. It's basically a bomber without bombs and quite heavy forward-facing armament, and it flies like a brick
Defyn, I would like to nominate the Pe-2-359 and the LeO 451 Early/Late as they have their own qualties of rubbishness. Also special mention to the Tu-2S-59 at 5.7 with 2 Shvaks. If the worst plane in the game is one where no matter how bad the enemy is, they will still win, than these planes will make sure they do.
LeO 451 is a medium bomber at 3.0 that makes your brain convulse from the decisions of French aircraft designers to strap 1 singular 7.5mm machinegun with 300 rounds to the front and a fire rate of 1350 rpms granting 13 seconds of firing time and a hail of bullets that almost reaches 23 rifle calibre rounds a second. Add that you only fire 220 grams of lead a second and this plane has less total ammunition mass onboard than an F4F-3 can put out of its 4 50.calibre brownings in a single second or a Tu-2S at 5.7.
Pe-2-359 is the dishonorable entrant at 4.3 with a single 12.7 and 7.62 mounted in the nose. While the per second burst mass may be a "respectable" improvement over the LeO with 1.1kg/s, the ammunition count is not. With your amazing accuracy and trigger discipline, it may not be a problem, but for me the 8 seconds of fire on the Berezin UB is certainly less than ideal. For some reason, the fire rate is closer to an M3 50.cal than an M2 while carrying a quarter of the rounds on a M4 Sherman. And when that is out, you'll realize that the aircraft is chucking the 450 rounds of 7.62 into the air faster than a MiG-29.
Aircraft that don't quite make the cut include the Bristol Blenheim's right wing mounted 7.7 that Spiff managed to get an ace in, Hampden TB for having the same problem at a higher br, S.M.79 for having the same problem but with 3 engines at a higher br, Ju-88 for having the same problem at a higher br, B6N for having what I believe is the lowest single second burst in game, and the Firefly Mk V for making a single engine aircraft feel like a 4 engine bomber.
But to be complete rounding off top tier includes horrible picks such as the Jaguar GR.1A (or GR.1 if you prefer to fly without flares and a weaker engines), Buccaneer S.2 which will allow you to subsonically sling a pair of AIM-9Bs at a BR of 9.3 as your only weapon, any of the strike Tornadoes because performance is overrated, Mirage 2000D, A-7E for another subsonic at 10.7 dub with 2 rear aspect 18g missiles, Strikemaster Mk.88 and finally the Su-25 SM3.
Happy hunting!
Defyn suffers to answer the question what is the worst plane in war thunder, a true hero.
"just ignore that middle one" 18:28
I feel so vindicated because I just got here on the tech tree. I thought the plane was ass but then I thought it was a skill issue. Now I know better lol
Can you try ad-2 and be a low altitude goblin? Its absolutely hilarious that you pretty much can pull a reversal into everything with your 3000hp engine and insane turn radius and no one expects a fat ground attacker to eat their ass before they can cry for their mommy
It's gonna be the F-4C after the BR changes
still, if you play the F-4C really carefully you can get kills and the flight performance is somewhat bearable, the plane will be nowhere near good but not as bad as the F-84
Fun fact: the F-84F is in 4 tech trees, but only the American one gets an air-spawn
I think you can't find worst than the p108 with the 102mm in the italian tech tree, it is heavy, sluggish, the canon is impossible to get on target
S M I G O L 😊
It doesn't even damage ships!! even cargo ships like it was meant for sinking
I swear defyn lowkey loves flying the challenging/ trash planes 😭😭😭
7:51 bro tried to do the kvochur bell manuever
great video Defyn tho you did not have to review this plane but it's much appreciated
Just when I thought speed bleed found on the A-4E couldn’t get worse, it did
This plane is the definite proof that war Thunder players at this br have less then 1/2 neuron active
totally, flying the 7.7 meteor I found out that I actually get more kills in uptiers on average since the people there are just disabled and try to dogfight everything
F-84F and Tornado ADV are the strong contenders. F-84F was useful for like 2 days when Gaijin added a CCIP for its bombs and rockets. 4 100lbs at 8.3 was quite something back then. Otherwise, this jet is just suffering, that was added like 3 years too late
The only enjoyment i get while playing the b57 is baiting a sea vixen into thinking im an easy kill until they cant get a lock because i have my engines turned off.
This plane used to be good as it was 8.0 and it got constant down tiers to like 7.0-7.7 so it absolutely slaughtered, then gaijin made the brilliant move of making every Sabre and every Mig-15/17 0.3br lower so now it only fights them
This is seriously the worst plane ever. Recently maxed this out with upgrades and it was the most painful process of my life.
I used this thing in German tech tree. And then learn to not use it in every single other tree I find it in.
i unlocked this today and got like 1 kill in 8 games and i thought it was a major skill issue, then this is the first video i see on youtube
You said it, yo self. It's a strike aircraft..
i was going to volunteer the F-86K but i really like that hunk of junk for some reason
Sabre dog is definetly useable, it has alot of energy
@@aleski6506 oh yeah it's an absurdly good energy fighter, at least relative to other 9.0s
it's not good at anything else though, and even many 9.3s (cough cough MiG-19, F-100, F-104) do the whole energy fighting bit better as well as being better in many other ways too
This is more fun to watch than top tier.
This plane and the some of the native French lower tier jets almost broke me
Which one ??
Bro is using rockets for countermeasures and thrust
the D.520 is a candidate for sure
Nah. It is rather decent if overtired.
Yeah its not a good plane but its way more payable
You are like that german coach who managed to win the euros with Greece in 2004
You should play the swift f7 again because they changed the missile
Yes yes yes
From 2g max to not being able to control it for the first second, not being able to hold the missile in one direction
how did they change it?
@@covidius9511 more max g but can't guide for the first second of flight, dips down like an atgm, and follows your guidance less accurately
@@RTYT504 what's the max G now? although with it having drag like the fireflash I don't think it really matters hah
My 2 cents, F86K on the french tech tree is the worst, half because its an F86K, half because being in the french team, you get uptiered more and placed in random teams more. Spaded that thing not long ago and in my 11 years playing this game, its been the most painful grind
even Jumbo the elephant flies better than this thing
Would love a vid about the J21RA.
And don't forget: there are premium versions of this junk (maybe it was a good thing i picked the A-4E instead as my premium jet for Israel back than, tough i still think its a pile of trash).
Kinda have similar bad experience with my "Shenyang F-5" as: what downtiers? the guns! can't catch anybody on my BR! 2/3 times i die is do to how badly the plane locks up above 850km/h and just crash! the guns! poor brakes no chute so i usually need the long runway. the guns! And why its still 9.3 when the Sabers went down?
Got a warthunder mobile ad on this video where they blatantly used PC ground rb footage in a high tier tank that isnt even in the game on mobile.
If you haven't already try the swift F1 it has the same problems, with in my opinion worse cannons, with less ammo and a worse turn and agility.
If this is the plane I'm thinking of, I tried spading this plane like a year ago. I just remember after like 3 or 4 games, I didn't touch it ever again. I think I have half a module grinded and that's it.
Can we have a video on the Firefly recently added to the benelux tree? Seems like almost no one has taught of it recently
Amazing CAS in air rb with rp3s
@@alexandreaudard4309 no doubt about it but sadly I have Ray Charles' aim so the only rockets I manage to use are the really fast ones or things that don't require aim at all (like Tiny Tims)
The German F-84F doesn’t even get an airspawn
Defyn have you ever heard of a little australian light attack plane called the Wirraway
Worst plane in a fighter role has to be the french MB162
Any low tier French plane is pretty sad
They are more than usable, grinded from stock to spaded every french plane up to rank 6 and yes the very low tier gets stomped by the ufos that are th i15 or the i16 but you can pretty much fight any other plane of the br bracket
Well R2Y2 next😁
It's overtiered as hell, but the R2Y2 has at least some advantages against other planes that you can take advantage of. Plus very good guns, even if they have gotten nerfed a bit. It's not nearly as painful to play as the F-84F.
Good firepower and it actually turns
Yes its slow and underpowered but you can atleast punish a bad player
How ironic I was suffering with this plane just last night.
Maybe it is easier to find the worst plane of its BR than the overall worst plane. Especially at this BR range there are a lot of trash planes imo.
The american f84f is the best of all of them, its the only one to get an airspawn
I said so at the start
@@DEFYN i was too busy shitting myself on the toilet to hear the start. Just wanted to make sure
Hey defyn, you should do a video on one of the aj37s, one is at 10.3 with 2 missiles and the other is at 10.7 with 6 missiles (thats if you dont bring guns or counter measures) i think theyre pretty good, but they're VERY under reviewed. So you should definitely do it sometime
He did it, he flew the F-84F!
Scimitar. Hands down. That thing wont even go where you point it...
*eats meatballs in J29F and the J32B, agrees*
An ace in F-86 : 🤡🤓
An ace in sweep wings F-84 : 🗿
This plane is the sole reason I have rank 7 swedish jets, if it wasn't for free food that is F-84Fs that tried to dogfight me, I wouldn't be able to grind past middle of rank 5. Only early Swedish jets that are good are J29A and SAAB 105G.
No mention of the Milan ? Updated review, now
The massage in this video is. don't get this plane.
Now imagine the same plane, but at Rank VI and you get the Italian one, at least the Americain one get an air spawn
Italian , german or french one (maybe chinese one i don't remember if they've got one)
This was actuality the plane i got my first ace in😅
this plane would struggle even as low as 7.0
it "had" ccip for the guns... this is truly a sad year for the f84f
I mean its actually better they put it up a little bit so that way you don't have to deal with the embarrassment of superprops.
was a bit excited to get it as a ground pounder for ground rb , knew it wouldn't be amazing since it was an f84 (never played one they just suck anytime i see or dogfight one in air and ground rb) . played it and thought its just the pilot and than proceeded for play 4 games with 3 kills max mainly from head ons . this thing is just horrible at everything.
we getting a Mirage IVA video?
Only took me two attempts to realize this plane was an absolute Pig... And then I realized that EVERYONE was after me ai immediately switched back to the F-86 and started hunting F-84s because the -84 just REFUSES to turn; makes for a very easy target.
Thanks for cheering me up just lost a 500% booster to a fucking pilot snipe bruh
gaijin really messed up f111 and its gun, when the crosshair is in the middle the gun shoots like half way of bottom/middle of the screen and speed bleed is depresssing when the plane has no thrust at 700-800km/h range where it ends up after a gentle turn everytime. it would be semi ok if the gun wasnt all fkd up, i could fight some people in it wings front but never get my guns on target in a fight.
i just straight up skipped f84 after test flying it in one match lol