Really That Good: SPIDER-MAN 1 & 2
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Welcome to a NEW kind of film-criticism series, built around the radical premise that just because "everyone knows" a movie is a classic doesn't mean it stops being worth a deeper look.
Superheroes dominate the blockbuster landscape now, but it wasn't long ago that no one knew just how big they could get - until Sam Raimi's groundbreaking SPIDER-MAN and it's equally-impressive sequel showed Hollywood the way; not only breaking box-office records but also changing the direction of an entire genre.
But now, after a decade and change filled with an inferior sequel, a pair of inexplicably-awful reboots AND with a new revival in the Marvel Cinematic Universe looming... do they still hold up? Do we remember them being great simply because of nostalgia? Or is our perception of them colored by the challenging moment in history during which they debuted?
Are SPIDER-MAN 1 & 2... Really That Good?
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"Part of the reason Spider-man works as a character, is because he is a good enough person to feel guilt that he isnt a better person."
The best description ive ever heard for my favorite character of all time.
kickass Mr. Chipman.
I feel like it's important to make the comparison between Spiderman and Superman. Superman is a morally perfect person with the power to right any wrong perfectly. Spiderman is a morally uniquely good but imperfect person with the power to try to right any wrong but often mess up in painful, destructive ways. Superman is the hero peter WISHES he could be but who he can never become.
I always interpreted Jameson refusing to give up Peter as journalistic ethics. The complete lack of hesitation suggests that it was automatic, that no thought went into it. In the world of journalism, rule number one is to protect one's source.
Exactly. In the age of Fox News and CNN, we often forget that journalists, the good ones not driven by corporate motives, have great standards on which democracy relies.
18:18. “He’s exactly a good enough person to be crushed by the guilt of failing to be a better person.” That line perfectly catches Spidey and covers a years worth of therapy for me. Thanks, Bob!
ArtFlunky I don’t really agree with him on these movies, but that is the perfect summation of Spider-Man.
In regards to the "you're messing with New York" scene...
I feel like this is something that will be lost with time, that future generations (Hell, generations that already exist) will not understand. But there are two moments from that brief period of time that I will never forget. The first was the moment that I sat in my class with a TV in the room playing the footage. I leaned over to my friend and asked "What is this, some documentary?" And he replied "This is live." The utter silence that followed until they cancelled the rest of the school day was nothing short of chilling. In the months that followed, I found myself thinking all too often of what I would do in case of an emergency, where could I go to get my hands on a gun if I had to. Nobody was safe anymore.
But then this movie came. That bridge scene was exactly the message a teenager like myself at the time needed to hear, delivered in just the way It needed to be for maximum effect. You see, for me Spider-Man wasn't just a comic book character, he was a god damn way of life. My earliest childhood memories are flooded with that red and blue costume, my dad had been raising me on Spider-Man since before I could walk. So here was the single most important fictional character in my life, and it was like he had just stepped out of the screen, put a hand on my shoulder, and said "We're gonna be okay."
Goddamnit man, now I'm crying.
this is great!
I think I missed it but what footage and from where
As I was 1 at the time of this event and lived in Canada, I can relate to none of the sentiments shared above, however I can respect and sympathise with your point of view. I can see how this movie would be the perfect thing after the 9/11 attacks.
Proud you got that moment because I was born in 91 so while I was there and felt it when that raw footage was made live I was too young to make this particular contention when watching the movie... it is only in retrospect that this message was felt
If Hugh Jackman can still be Wolverine despite the clusterfuck of a timeline X-Men has become, then J.K. Simmons can be Jameson in Homecoming.
Bob Logical That probably won't happen since J.K. Simmons is playing Commissioner Gordon in the Justice League movie. That being said, I agree.
Ryan Reynolds was Green Lantern before he was Deadpool. Anything can happen.
Bob Logical I certainly hope so.
Bob Logical unfortunately didn't happen :(
I Couldn't Think Of A Username so I made this one
Yet...
I'll take the Raimi Spider-Man over the Webb Spider-Man any day of the week.
+Christian Neihart These were the movies that got me into super heroes. I never had comics growing up (parents wouldn't have it), but when I saw the first spiderman I was hooked.
+Christian Neihart McGuire nailed the Peter Parker, Webb nailed the Spider Man
The Amazing Spider Man actually wasn't that bad and did do a pretty good job at setting up the foundations for a new series. It's too bad the studio managed to completely ruin the sequel due to all kinds of interference just like they did with Trank's Fantastic Four.
+Christian Neihart WAS THE DIRECTORS NAME REALLY WEB!?!?! HOLY SHIT THAT'S HILARIOUS!!!!!!
Webb failed at Spider-Man. He didn't understand the motivations or the character. And the writing was just awful.
Mary Jane is a rags to riches story. She's trying to go from being in an abusive home in a low economic situation to what she thinks will make her happy. Being with Prince Charming, Mr. Nice Guy and be a celebrity starlet. Ultimately she matures as well when she realizes that she doesn't really want the dreamboat public entity that is Spider-Man, (Although Spider-Man finds her desirable), when faced with the option she realizes that her feelings for Peter are more than just ideations. In the very same way that he perceives her changes, it's as she sees him come into a responsible man who's willing to make sacrifices selflessly that she realizes that's what she's truly been desiring all along.
Her arc is presented in her four relationship states:
Flash- Who's the most like her father. A go no-where jar head with no respect for women.
Harry- Who's the opposite of her father financially, but treats his woman like an ornament.
Spider-Man- Who's the epitome of her hopes and dreams. Spider-Man is seemingly able to keep her physically safe no matter where she is or what danger she is in. He can apparently escape any situation. He's popular. And he's crazy about her.
Peter- Who's impoverished but selfless. He genuinely cares about her beyond the physical aspect. He values her hopes and is supportive of her dreams. He even cares enough about her safety and well-being as a person that he's willing to let her go, to be with other people and thusly shows true devotion to her happiness.
If anything, Mary Jane is truly Peter's married half. She represents all of his weaknesses as strengths. Peter is someone who won't let himself be vain, Mary Jane is driven by vanity and a desire to be seen as more than how she sees herself. She's popular and hard working, maybe a little hair-brained. He's a "brilliant but lazy" dork who can't seem to find a balance.
They're both completely insecure. And in my opinion, it's one of the greatest love stories ever told in cinema.
Not to nitpick. But for real. I used to think the same thing until I rewatched it.
She's also the source for Peter's arc in the second movie.
He's not just torn between what he wants and what he knows is right, but it's a moral dilemma. When is there going to be a 'Spider-Man' to save him from his responsibility or 'save his life' and give him enough slack to be with Mary Jane? In the end of Spider-Man 2 it's pure catharsis for the audience. That's exactly what Spider-Man/Peter Parker needs. As well it's Mary-Jane finding that her two dream men that she was torn between in the first film, are actually one and the same.
It makes Peter's hopes and dreams feel possible.
Other than that, flawless analysis. I can die happy now.
Perez Jeromy shame Dunst was so crap. :-)
It WOULD BE rags to riches if the third movie didn't have her flat out say that she'd never want to leave the stage. No TV. No movies. No voice acting. Literally just THE STAGE. You don't get rich on that. In entertainment terms? She isn't a reflection of Peter with "his weaknesses as strengths". She's making pretty much the same decisions as Peter. Well, what does "never wants to leave the stage mean"? 1. It means she's actually refusing vanity as much as possible. The nature of acting means you can't really reject vanity 100%, but "I will only act on the stage" (which Raimi's series gives us EVERY indication is HIS MJ's actual ideal) is very close to that. 2. Stage acting is a small, not overly popular field and it means she's probably not working at all between stage shows. So, who ISN'T "brilliant, but lazy"? 3. Agreed. They're both completely insecure. But "one of the greatest love stories in cinema"? Even as a "love story of neuroses", the Spider-Man trilogy isn't fit to lick the boots of Annie Hall. Heck, it's not fit to lick the boots of Marty.
The third movie isn't canon. It's a fan fiction gone horribly horribly wrong.
I think my argument still stands.
If you don't mind, I'd like to revisit this comment. I just don't want you to think I'm ignoring your points.
Jeromy Perez Unfortunatly, the third film IS canon. It was made by Reimi, it takes place in the same universe and there hasn't been any evidence suggesting it isn't. I personally think MJ left a lot to be desired and I also felt Gwen Stacy from TAM did the love interest a lot better.
Hey SolarSanik, you sure don't like catching jokes, do you?
I have to say having recently rewatched the films, I have a slightly different perspective on the MJ character. Whilst I agree that certainly a lot more could have been done with her, and I admit that a lot of this has to do with reading deeper into a few lines of dialogue than was perhaps intended, now where I'm at the stage where I'm dating someone who has been victimized by men almost her entire life, I think I understand the character a lot more.
Basically, she's always been an actress who is playing the roles asked of her to get by. Her father expects her to be the doting daughter, and it actually isn't until she sees Pete start to come out of his shell that we see her actively rebel against him. But, if we assume that a lot of her formative years were spent being abused by her dad, it makes sense that she'd develop the ability to do what was expected of her as a defense mechanism and that going to men is what she's been taught to do from this abuse.
For Flash, she plays the role of arm candy, even though he doesn't appreciate her as anything more than a pretty face. For Harry, she fills a sort of similar role, although I think she saw some genuine good in Harry the same way Pete and Aunt May do, and realized that although he treats her as an object ("I want to buy you something. It'll make you feel better"), he was doing it from a position of genuine care for her because likewise, it was the way he'd been brought up to treat women. Finally, with Jameson, she plays the role of arm candy once more. You'll notice at the gala, she's not even announced, her job is simply to walk down the stairs on his arm, despite her being a noted Broadway actress. Whilst he genuinely loves and respects herl, he's perhaps a victim of having the spotlight always on him.
There's also the fact that all of her love interests are wealthy and powerful men within their spheres, which isn't something that is attractive to Mary-Jane so much as it is an obvious sign of protection and relative safety.
The reason she falls for Pete is because she never needs to act for him - he's always given her his love and infatuation and companionship unconditionally, without expecting anything from her other than that she's herself. Likewise, Spider-Man represents a similar pull for her because to her he represents freedom and liberty and the idea that there can be more to her life than constantly being trapped in homes that instead become stages.
Unfortunately Raimi only really hints at these things, which is where I feel the exploration of the character could have been a lot better, and maybe this is only me filling in blanks that aren't really there in my interpretation of the character as a result of having to look inwardly at my own partner so much, it's true that this isn't heavy-handedly put on a plate like a lot of other themes in the movies are. But ultimately, there's enough there that her character perhaps isn't quite as poorly represented as is often made out.
Very good analysis, I really never saw it that way but it definitely makes sense and makes her character more interesting.
thats alot of filling in mixed with excusing shitty male characters as products of their envornments with no free agency, instead of adults who are responsible for being good people (or not so good people, as they are)
I always thought that 3 gave her the spotlight she was sorely lacking in 1 and 2, and one of the things that does make 3 a good film. It's still not 100%, but she has an arc, a character, and even gets a good hit on Venom.
That was beautifully said.
@@daltonbedore8396 What? There is only one shitty male character that she was with, and that is Flash, also nobody is making excuses for him. Harry was never loved throughout his life, and knows only one thing: I have to impress my father!!!!! That's all that matters!!!! That's literally the only thing he cared about almost all his life, people like that exist, male or female(at least by the end of SM 3 he finally grew out of it). And what is wrong with Jameson?
Oh, Bob. You really do know how to scratch that itch just right. XD
+theGreenGoblin He's really that good
+theGreenGoblin That's what she said
Honestly, regardless if Spider-Man Homecoming will be the new best Spider-Man film, or the whole new trilogy will be better, Raimi's trilogy will always have a special place for me.
Gianluca Sorrentino I have the same thing with Ramis films even if Hollands will be better I hold Toby's great in my heat because it got me into comic books
Gianluca Sorrentino I honestly doubt it :/
Doubt that Homecoming will be better, or that Raimi's films will stay special?
It has the chance to be.I cant assume just because its marvel that theyl make a character like that a list again.seing that properties they sold to companys and got back they handled differently.they put daredevil on Netflix and made him as relatable as spidey and hulk was mediocre with incredible hulk with after technically given back and they put ghost rider on the small screen with reyes ghost rider.where hes great but we want more he can go any way but judging from their track history they may and may not make him better but theyl make him decent none the less.
Gianluca Sorrentino You'll always be blinded by nostalgia
I still maintain that Spider-Man 2 is STILL the best comic book film ever made.
In 2004? Maybe. Now there is first class days of future past Avengers GOTG winter soldier civil war and I didn't even include the batman movies
All great films. Especially GOTG and Winter Soldier. Deadpool was phenomenal too. Maybe not so much Civil War, but... and yeah, the Batman films were really good, but Spider-Man 2 is still tops. The only thing that comes close to topping it in my books is GOTG and the '89 Batman film.
Brett RP the one thing close for me is watchmen
Wade Fucking Wilson Spider-Man 2 is still better than all of those movies
mcu movies are mountains away from having the ''best superhero movies'' title. Theyre all repetitive, no layer, no grounded story and all fun with poppy jokes for the generic audience. There was passion for the mcu movies before Disney, then it all became a moneymaking factory (Like Star Wars). But the TDK trilogy, Raimi SP, X-Men (the good ones)....these movies deserve the title because of how they revolutionized the genre with meaningful themes and deep exploration of the characters/story......(IMO)
Spiderman was the first movie I was truly entranced by as a kid. I had seen X-men, Harry Potter, even Lord of the Rings but none of them gripped me as much as the first Spiderman movie. I believed that Tobey Maguire could climb walls and swing between skyscrapers. I loved the visuals because they felt organic and I rooted for Peter throughout the movie. Danny Elfman's score and that title sequence were unlike anything I had seen before. And even though it was a comicbook movie, it still felt relatable to a seven year old girl. So maybe I'm a bit bias about it, but I still think these two films hold up and, sometimes, are even better than the most successful comic book films of today.
Sakura ThornSickle same
Sakura ThornSickle
The first one holds the distinction of being the only movie I skipped class to see.
God, I'm getting old.
Arnold did that for me in T2. That was 10 years earlier.
Sakura ThornSickle Now this is not a knock against you… But this is precisely why I don’t put much stock in people who profess to be huge fans of these movies. Because it was the very first Spiderman movie series released in theaters, they will always hold that special place in people’s hearts… To them, the nostalgia attached to these movies - - the wide eyed child moments, So to speak… Will always trump any movies coming after. Even if future Spiderman movies or superhero movies in general turn out to be OBJECTIVELY better than Sam Raimi’s series of Spiderman movies, because we have already seen superhero movies and it has become basically part of our lives these days - - thus making it actually relatively impossible to get that wide eyed child reaction out of us because we’ve already seen superheroes before- - They will always be counted as inferior to these movies.
Because the bias towards the very first Spiderman movies will be stronger than any obvious perception that a movie put against it - - say for example Captain America Civil War or avengers infinity war - - and so those movies will always be seen as inferior because they don’t duplicate or replicate that feeling that we had when we first saw one of our first superheroes on the big screen. It clouds judgment.
Another example, take Christopher Reeve As Superman. Because that was one of the very first moments where we actually saw the first superhero on the big screen… For a lot of people, that is the definitive Superman. Because that was one of the very first moments where we actually saw the him on the big screen… For a lot of people, that is the definitive depiction of Superman. All other attempts pale in comparison. For some of those people, it’s not because of any other reason other than nostalgia. I personally enjoyed those movies, but I recognize that it is not necessarily the definitive Superman. Same with these movies. I enjoy these Spiderman movies, but no, these movies are not “really that good.“ It was the very first time I saw one of my very favorite superheroes on the big screen and I loved it as a child… But I do not hold it to The same ridiculous golden standard has so many other people today. It is not “better than most superhero movies.” That is idiotic and it ignores the obvious fact that there are some objectively better written films with superheroes at the helm even today. Spiderman homecoming did an excellent job of showing a much more convincing scared teenager who just wanted to do the right thing jumping into things that were way out of his depth. They didn’t recycle the same tired “damsel in distress“ movie trope that Raimi’s films just kept repeating over and over again. The writing in the script in most of these movies was cheesy and dated, and yes I know that Spiderman is cheesy in some respects, but he still is created from themes that are current in today’s world. The Christopher Reeve Superman movies did not do the best job of showing that superman is an alien from another fucking planet, the real world implications of which would rock society to its core… Man of steel, while admittedly flawed in its execution still did a pretty good job of showing how initially xenophobic The world would be if it really happened.
People focus too much on the past. They focus so much on that, a lot of them can’t see the future in front of them. These movies are not “that good.“ They are good movies for their time, but Bob is letting nostalgia get in the way of him seeing the bigger picture. I had/have the same issue with certain video games - - like Zelda ocarina of time. That was the very first Zelda game I ever played and beat to completion over and over again… Because of this, it holds some very special meaning for me. For a while I considered it to be the very best… Until I started playing games like breath of the wild. I try my best not to let stuff like that get in the way.
Nostalgia👏🏾 blinds 👏🏾people.👏🏾
Sakura ThornSickle second it.....
A few things:
1: God damn it's great to see one of these videos again.
2: The fact that J.K. Simmons plays the role of J. Jonah Jameson so perfectly is probably the reason he still voices the character any time he appears in a Marvel cartoon.
3: I always liked Doctor Octopus in the comics and cartoons. And in my opinion Alfred Molina fucking nails this role. Both as a mad genius and as a badass villain who can tear people apart.
4: I agree that the Green Goblin armor isn't perfect, though in my opinion it's very close. All it's missing is a purple shirt and a purple hood.
5: Personally I've always found Mary Jane very likable.
6: I'd take the cheesiness, the color, and the ham of the Sam Raimi Spider-man trilogy over the Amazing Spider-man movies any day.
+1987MartinT Let's just pray for him to pop up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe at some point.
+1987MartinT Yes, J.K. Simmons is awesome, no doubt. It's such a shame that 'Ultimate Spider-Man' sucks ass because this character deserves better treatment than that! We already had a perfectly good 'Spidey' cartoon with 'Spectacular Spider-Man', and it had to be canceled in favor of this insult of a 'Spidey' cartoon. If 'Ultimate' tried to be as good as 'Spectacular', I would've been fine with that, but I'm sorry. Spidey deserves better. We're in a sad state of affairs when good action cartoons can't grow, and thrive while crappy comedy cartoons are the norm. When 'My Little Pony' kicks more ass than 'Spider-Man', you've got a problem. (And in case your wondering, I'm a 'brony'.)
+GoldenTalesGeek Yeah! I'd love to see that!
+GoldenTalesGeek By the way. Sorry about editing my post so heavily, but I realized I had more to say.
+1987MartinT No worries. You've summed up my feelings on these movies. However, I am pretty excited to see what Tom Holland brings to the webhead. :)
The 9/11 part is so fucking fascinating. I was a little kid at the time, so I was totally ignorant to pop culture's reaction to it. A good Spider-Man movie simply showing up at the right time can make all the difference in the world.
I can only reply with the following 1:03:00
The one scene that you're missing in all this is one of the stronger character bits from the female cast.
May Parker, giving Peter a birthday gift, him trying to refuse it, and aunt May giving him a double-barreled blast of working-class pride. I *cannot* watch that without tearing up and it's the actress knocking a home run with her portrayal.
But I can't find fault with anything else you dropped good sir.
Kudos to you, to Sam Rami, and the entire cast of Spider-Man 1 & 2.
Something told me that Aunt May knew all along Peter was Spidey.
Bob. I cried. This was, in my opinion, your best work to date. You brought the greatness of Spider-Man to light. Keep doing what your doing. I can't wait for more.
Alred Molina doc oc is criminally underrated
He is considered one of the best superhero villains and yet I still agree with you.
In what way is he underrated? His performance is pretty much universally admired.
I see what you did there.
I remember a conversation with my mom after Spider-Man came out. She said "I finally understand why you've read comics all these years. Is that how it looks in your head when you read them?"I just smiled and said, "It's close: the movie in my head is always better. But this, this is close enough."
Heh. Probably cheesy, but I love what mesage you could take away from that scene with the crowd and the Green Goblin: that if a satanic super mutant were to start flying around and scaring people, New Yorkers would just start chucking garbage at him.
Sounds about right to me.
I mean yeah,if hes gonna kill us,why not fight back before dying?
I wept when you began to speak on behalf of its cultural impact post-9/11. This is an excellent video, and one of the greatest things I've ever seen on TH-cam.
This was amazing, moviebob! So incredibly earnest, professional and thought out. Couldn't agree with you more.
+tithinian talented person likes talented person
+tithinian "Really that Good" is really that good!
When is the next drunken peasants animated short coming?
Bronz LeRue who cares, DP sucks.
apparently tithinian does seeing as he has made three dp videos already.
Those movies had a bigger heart and more personality than the Amazing Spider-Man movies.
And MCU Spidey
That scene on the bridge made me proud to be a New Yorker, even though I was raised in the south and taught that anyone from above the Mason Dixon line was nothing but a "damn Yankee." As a kid barely out of high school, 9-11 taught me that, north or south, east coast or west coast, we're all in this together. "You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us!"
rbgg2010 if more Americans had that attitude the country would live up to its ideals.
The reason I loved JJ so much in these films was the scene he didn't grass up Peter.. Nobody really points this out but as a kid I always thought that as a really admirable 'hero' without too much made of it... I absolutely loved that moment and always felt admiration for the character afterwards..
No superhero film is any good at all unless it has 'the little people' scene.
That moment that reminds everyone that it's not the powers, it's the heart.
I usually argue how X-Men started the trend of superhero movies, however your opening remarks have swayed me. Well done sir...well done.
+ProphetBeal I think X-Men got their foot in the door for the trend.
Spider-Man kicked that door wide open.
(And Blade had politely knocked.)
+ProphetBeal I do not think X-Men get made without Blade's success.
Brett Dupree to a certain degree...maybe...but x-men sparked the PG-13 (aka "family friendly" ) superhero movie boom
+ProphetBeal I would argue that if XMen had tanked we would not have the Comic Book Movies we have now, Spiderman included, but because of XMens success we got Spiderman that set the bar for the formula that we all enjoy now
+Brett Dupree I would argue this idea to a point. While Blade WAS a Marvel property, I would not really call it a "Comic Book Movie". Its not played as a comic book but more of a Horror Action movie that just happened to be based on a Comic Book because Vampires enjoyed a rebirth in the mid and late 90s and Blade was played more so like that. The first big "Marvel" movie, played as a big Comic Book adaptation was X-Men. If you asked the common movie viewer what Blade was based off of, 9/10 would probably not know of its comic origins
bob, your stuff is by far the best film critical thought content on the web... the web (couldn't help myself)
+Benjamin Gentile He's really that good.
+Benjamin Gentile Have you ever seen YourMovieSucks? He is a master of critiquing and analyzing films. MovieBob is good but YourMovieSucks is a master
+Bob Feen YMS isn't bad but he has the same problem the CinemaSins guys have, often missing the big picture in an effort to fault find. If YMS existed in 2002 he would have panned the Spider-Man films for some small error
Benjamin Gentile yeah that is true but he very, very objective.
+Benjamin Gentile Not to take anything away from Bob but if you dig his stuff I recommend reading up on Film Crit Hulk's film analysis.
He writes some pretty in depth stuff about films, a lot of the same genres that Bob likes to touch on. Pop cinema as it were. He's so fucking insightful. Just a heads up, he writes his shit in ALL CAPS LIKE THIS. He's actually got a legit reason for it other than to sound like the Hulk though. It's much harder to skim a page that's all caps. It makes you pay a lot more attention to what you're reading. It also hopes to take away some of the hoity toity perception of serious film criticism. Just check his stuff out. I wouldn't be surprised if him and Bob were drinking buddies.
This was, quite simply, the best analysis of these films I've ever seen. And the earnestness and genuineness throughout, especially when you explained your reasoning for the 9/11 segment? Amazing. You've earned yourself a new fan
Yeah I liked that part being highlighted I was 7 when this movie came out and many in the audience started tearing up and now I get why
How dare you make me cry over J. Jonah Jameson
J.K. Simmons was absolutely fucking LEGENDARY as J. Jonah Jameson, and that's the exact reason why they didn't show him in the Amazing Spider-man. Because you can't top that shit
That train sequence in Spider-Man 2 is probably one of the best action sequences of the last decade!
This episode never fails to give me chills, a testament to Bob's skill as a critic and his cred as a true nerd.
Thank you, Bob.
Wow. Beautiful, heartfelt essay. I almost teared around the 1hr 8 min mark, as you built towards aunt May's speech about heroism. Truly great work. Congratulations, from Venezuela
He stole that guys pizza!
Over 9000 pizzas!
I'd be really interested to see one of these for **Star Wars.**
It's a movie that we all take for granted. But it really does have a lot of flaws that we just ignore. I know I'll never be able to be objective on it. Sure I can point out that this part is stupid or that line delivery is absolutely painful. But I know that despite that, I can't stop loving it with every fiber of my being.
+MicManGuy I agree... Despite all of its well-known flaws, the original trilogy at least, would deserve MovieBob's "Really that good"-treatment!
+MicManGuy I like this plan!
I think the starting point for why Star Wars is good would be similar to Die Hard. Star Wars is a disgusting storm of cliches to the point the audience already knows the story, but plays to the strengths of those cliches. Although in Die Hard it was to make the audience pumped for more action; in Star Wars, it's used to get he brick and mortar of the story down quickly so they can get right to the worldbuilding and special effects
It’s happening...
To me, I-VI are Really That Good. I know many people still disagree with me.
While IV is my least favorite (in that I still love it more than most things, but I feel the other five surpassed it because they had to), I think it fits the kind of film this series is for better than the others. I-III are a million times better than they're given credit for, but that means they're better suited for more of an "Actually Pretty Good" show. VI becomes great retroactively through the lens of I-III's recontextualizing of Anakin and Palpatine's story but is otherwise merely decent. V has the curious distinction of being both a truly great film and grossly overrated at the same time in comparison to its siblings. IV started it all and thus deserves its own episode.
I just do NOT want to see yet another piece on IV venerating V and dismissing VI and I-III, and that is why I'm not as excited as I want to be.
The reason why Green Goblin wore the rigid face mask is because Willem Dafoe is too frightening for young children!
He's riding around on that glider thing / and he's throwing those weird pumpkin bombs / Yeah, he's wearing that dumb Power Rangers mask / but he's scarier without it on.
Lord Yankovic
I can imaging Raimi : djees, how do we tone down the psycho on Dafoe playing the Green Goblin. :D
I believe the PG13 rating was becuase Dafoe was in it.
Then why was he cast in Finding Nemo?
Only his face dictates the higher rating
Dude - you rock. You don't need to apologize for establishing context for the films. It would not be wrong to call this episode of "Really That Good" an inspiring one-stop course that answers the question - what is a superhero? Especially after the Goyersnyder wave colored the discourse in hate and mediocrity. Nice job.
That's more on Snyder than Goyer
Amazing, Spectacular, and Sensational. I see what you did there Bob. You missed Superior though.
+fullmetalvenom The Superior run started 11 years after these movies came out (as opposed to all the other runs being well before any of these movies were produced) and was about Doc Ock's mind in Spidey's body, that coupled with the word "Superior" being the least humble of the titles (as well as the rule of three) make for a lot of good reasons to not use it in his closer.
it was joke
fullmetalvenom Didn't exactly do Spidey proud with it then.
I'm pissed that Sony burned 'Amazing' on a pair of failed Spider Man films so that what may end up becoming the definitive Spider Man film series in the MCU can't use the definitive adjective for the new films.
+DOOMED ! There's still spectactular. And that run took place mostly in Pete's teenaged high school years.
I've heard people talk shit about the Green Goblin costume ad claim that he looks like a power ranger. No, he doesn't look like a power ranger, the power rangers look like superhero characters, that's what the Sentai series was originally ripping off
+Robert Pysh and I know that's not what you said, but its what others have said
Spider-Man literally looks like a Power Ranger
Have you not seen the villain costumes in the PR shows? SM1 GG looks like he belongs to Super Sentai lol.
Sigmund Fruit wasn't one of the first Super Sentai series Japanese Spider-Man?
Superheroes had been in manga and anime long before the Super Sentai. In any event its not that the Goblin looks like the live action Power Rangers (or the manga) its that he looked like the toys.
The Japanese Spider Man tokusatsu TV series is not a Super Sentai series (it's about Spider Man not the Super Sentai...). Its use of mecha did influence later versions of the Super Sentai though. There is also an earlier, but different, Spider Man manga by Ryoichi Ikegami.
I will always personally argue that Spiderman's web being an organic bodypart makes much more sense. since really, without it the only superpowers he really gets are sticking to walls and antenna-ish heightened senses, and that doesn't really denote "Spider" anymore than it denotes "Ant" or most other flightless bugs, and it's no more of a drastic physiological change than anything else. Plus I feel it's more plausible than a lower middle class kid from Queens putting together super advanced tech in his bedroom without ANYONE noticing. Like, forget super powers I wanna live in the dimension where a teenager's income can acquire super-science materials.
William Mills that is a very good way to look at it .
I'm actually bothered more by the mechanical web shooters than the organic ones. Spider-Man has super powers. He can stick to walls, he has super strength, heightened reflexes, and all that. Why stop with the web shooting? The mechanical web shooters just seem to me like a strained way to try and explain something that could be explained in 2 seconds. I don't like the idea of giving Spider-Man any kind of gadgets. It turns him into some super genius engineer instead of a regular kid you had powers thrust upon him.
@@JPJones03223 100% agree with you. Too many people overlook the themes and details and how thought out these movies were. Even it it's not flat out told to us, judging off of all the other details that the first 2 spider man movies got, I can assume that that was the mindset for the people who made this movie. It's so much more believable that a dirt poor, but normal kid who got superpowers thrown at him, would get all those powers.
@@tylergary5953 Mechanical web shooters complicate matters on both a writing standpoint, the budget, and of course executing it on film. You need the money to build a prop, you need to somehow incorporate it within a skintight outfit and now incorporate scenes building the contraption, training with it, and maybe malfunctioning. This can add unnecessary money to your budget and pad the run time of your movie that can best be spent elsewhere like character building, world building, or getting Peter from meek teenager to the Amazing Spider-Man as quick as you can.
I mean Spider man is a name he came up with to be fair.
I would watch a movie where it it's J.K Simmons j johna Jameson interview gary oldman commissioner gordon
shut up and take my money
also could you do a really that good for blade
RED HOT COMIC BOOK MOVIE NEWS!!!
+Rowan J Coleman your damn right
deathstroke the terminator ayyyyye the weekly planet 😂 #grabdatgem
#mulletforsuperman
I saw Homecoming and really enjoyed it...but it doesn’t hold a candle to the originals. Those movies were so wonderfully earnest and masterfully crafted that their sentiments honestly haven’t been seen in the entirety of film since.
Kenny Schultz the second one will tell the story if it is as good as the first two
I really thought this was ridiculous. Then I actually listened to the argument made and found myself agreeing completely. You honestly inspire me to work even harder as a critic.
Friends and I rewatched Spiderman 2 after we experienced Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. We really wanted something actually entertaining, the recent DC movie was so... joyless in comparison.
bootwhistle I think you and your friends should check out Wonder Woman. :) After being disappointed by both BvS and Suicide Note, I was thrilled to see a movie as earnest as the original Spider-Man films.
Gavin Felan I heard Wonder Woman was amazing, so I will give it a shot
bootwhistle yeah most DC movies are so dark and depressing that you feel bad after watching them, instead of pleased and/or energized
bootwhistle Those two are both ends on the spectrum for me. Spider-Man 2 is the best superhero film to me, and my 5th Fav film period. BvS is the worst cinema experience I’ve ever had to date.
AG Films I hear you I had so much hope for BvS and was so let down it was depressing
i just realized that bruce cambell in spider-man 2 was mysterio
OH MY GOD
HOLY SHIT
WE NEED A SPIDER-MAN 4
What do you mean?
GR1M Equixz0r i was mostly kidding but the part in Spider-Man 2 when he's the usher and says "it helps me maintain the illusion" and then later MJ says "what usher?" To peter when he was explaining what happened.
They actually were setting him up to be Mysterio in Spider-Man 4. I believe he is even briefly shown as Quentin Beck on a T.V. news broadcast in the back-round in Spidey 3. That pure anger that movie caused in me has made some of my memories a bit fuzzy. . .
Mirnes Trto That's cool if true but his line wasn't "it helps me maintain the illusion" it was just "it helps maintain the illusion" I think.
I don't think that the nowadays Superheroes movies would happen without Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy. the Webb movies were absolutely unnecessary and neither well done
I absolutely loved this video, Moviebob. The scenes where New Yorkers defend Spidey has always been looked at as a flaw by the people I talk to these films about and I never understood why. Strangely, nobody I hang around with seems to take the Raimi Spider-Man films seriously, they're always fixated on how mediocre the third part was. I understand that they're cheesy, but I've always addressed how necessary these movies were. Those scenes on the bridge and train stand as some of the finest examples of cinematic escapism around this century, something that reminds me of lines like "There's no place like home" from the Wizard of Oz or any other similar scene from the Golden Age of Hollywood. This was a fantastic analysis and this video, as well as that section in particular, is something I'll probably end up showing people next time they dismiss these two movies.
I wept. Don't judge me.
I can't. This was a great video.
I almost did a couple times. Legit
lots of goosebumps
As someone who loves Spider-Man and when Spider-Man is handled correctly, I did too.
I judge. It’s just a video. I love Spiderman too though.
during the scene where Mary Jane was running in her wedding dress. The guy behind her is actually the punisher
" 'Welcome back, Frank' says New York City."
Seriously, regarding 2...they made Doc Oc visually AND personally interesting! Who ever even thought that was possible? No seriously...I want to know who thought it was possible, then said, "Yeah! Let's do this!" I mean sure, he was one of Spiderman's most archetypal villains, but I never could figure out why. He booooring in print.
By the way...I think he's giving Dafoe too much credit...ok, maybe it's just that weird something that makes some actors intolerable for some of us. Yeah it's probably that, but I'll agree that he managed to completely blow every second he was in far less than he usually does for me.
Watch the behind the scenes, and audio commentary for Spider-Man 2. You'll see the geniuses behind it.
Not only have I always believed The Upside-down Kiss is the rock on which those 2 films are built, I started crying (again) as you showed it. Thank you and go get 'em, Tiger
this video made me cry like 3 times
Get on my level scrub, I'm practically human jerky after watching this.
yeah, me too.
Jonni Phillips me too #canteven
Same here. Excellent work, MovieBob.
Same!!!! And I thought I hated the character....thank you MovieBob
I disagree on your point about Spidey’s powers failing in 2 not working/being explained. His power failing scenes ALWAYS follow some emotional trauma. MJ kissing her new boyfriend-powers fail. MJ gets engaged and Peter has fight with Harry-powers fail. See the trend. Just a small thing you didn’t seem to pick up on.
I also almost cried during your bit on 9/11. I was so so young. Like 6 and wish I could remember if the theater I was in had that reaction. Really touching stuff.
Ps your parents must be very proud.
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Now I want to see a 'What went wrong with Spiderman 3' In Bob We Trust.
+Deadnstien Creative differences between Raimi and Sony. Sony wanted to put out Venom as the main villain, Raimi wanted to focus on Harry Osborn. Studio had to make a compromise, Raimi lost interest in the project and phoned in a lot of the movie.
+circularlogic88 I wasn't really referring to the reasons Raimi phoned it in but rather what was wrong with the movie it'self.
+Deadnstien Sony and fanboys pushing Venom. There.
+Deadnstien The only thing wrong with that movie is the symbiote and Venom. The first half of the movie is GREAT, the moment the black suit appears, it all falls apart.
***** Is it really worth hating that much? People like to act like like it's the worst comic book movie since Batman and Robin, but if you really think about it...is it really? People get so wrapped up in the fact that Peter does a little dance and Venom isn't in it enough, and suddenly, that constitutes being the worst thing ever? I'm sorry, but there are a lot worst superhero movies out there, for example:
Both Fantastic 4's [and Fant4stic]
Both Ghost Riders
X-Men 3 and X Origins Wolverine
Superman 3 and 4
Both Joel Shumacher Batmans.
Green Lantern
Electra
Catwoman
and yes, no matter how much no one wants to admit it, both Amazing Spider-Man movies.
All WAY worse than Spider-Man 3
Omfg i'm crying, in my opinion there will never be a better superhero movie then the original spiderman movies. Toby Maguire does it perfectly, and the spidey suit has never be as good looking. I'm saying this in 2018 and homecoming is not even close to beat this. Agree?
Brickface Ouch Correct
Nothing beats the validation of having your favorite movie critic reaffirm your belief that Spider-man 1 & 2 really were great movies.
I've always been baffled by how quickly these two movies have fallen from the zeitgeist even though I adore them so.
I really appreciate this video. I watched it from beginning to the end because to learn about how Raimi pulled off a great memorable movie and how this movie impacted the pop culture. If Marvel wont ever bring Raimi back to new Spiderman movies, I hope they watch this video instead. Anyways thanks for sharing this
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I loved ALL THREE "Maguire Spideys", and try to watch them every Thanksgiving orNew Year's Season! I've seen SPIDER MAN 3 several times and still don't see what all the hubbub is about. Perhaps they didn't like the portrayal or short screen time of Venom?
I like Venom, but never loved the Eddie Brock character. To me, making him about Peter's age was an interesting spin on the character, especially when you compare him to Peter and Harry! It was also great to see how Harry's sacrifice reminded Peter of who he himself really is and how he could do the gesture that would soon follow. I think it's a powerful film for a movie about funny book characters!
In any case, Spider-Man 3, despite being the weakest "Maguire Spidey" film, is still better than the "Amazing" Spider-Man films.
The third movie is a mess, but i still like it. I even love the “Emo Douche” section. Everyone who hates it for “ruining” Spider-man is missing the point! The cringier you find it, the stronger its demonstration of the symbiote’s effect on Peter.
@@alisaurus4224 Agreed.
"...The main reason these stories acquire and maintain fans is because it's a medium built on characters..." THANK YOU!!! That sums it up perfectly! Ah, this is why I love your series!!! Well said! Well said.
And SPOT ON about the music!
Watching this video always makes me want to revisit the first two movies. Wonderful analysis.
I LOVE the Green Goblin armor in these movies. I loved so much, that when I found out that it didn't exist in the comics, then I became disappointed.
any movie with The Macho Man automatically gets an extra 3 points in my book
yeah me too though lol.
+bigcas78 dig it!
#BoneSawIzReadyyyy
I already knew a few of the 9/11 bits in Spider-Man, but never heard a real in-depth talk about it like in this video. And it's given me a new appreciation for these films. So thanks for making this.
Is this the best super hero documentary ive ever seen? Yes. Without a doubt.
Spider-Man is the first movie I vividly remember watching in the theater, i fell immediately in love and with it(and the entire superhero genre), and it helped inspire me to get into the entertainment business... So I'm glad this episode does it and it's incredible sequel justice.. thank you Bob!!
Thank god it's back. This video got a copyright strike while I was watching it around 30 mins ago. The video wasn't even up for an hour before then.
+Reeve Isaacs TH-cam seem to be getting on top of these illegal claim. Unfortunately these large companies aren't getting sued yet, but the ties of battle are turning.
+Jay Cork The wheels of justice may turn slowly, Sony, but they're moving, they're moving. Get yourself caught in those wheels, Sony, you'll be in a lotta pain.
+Jay Cork Yeah except TPP could bring all our progress crumbling down, since it adds copyright protection laws for other countries, but omits balancing factors like fair use (aka bob's whole channel). I really do hope it don't take a turn for the worse.
I Fucking Love this Series
by which i mean Really That Good
+No Name Really That Good is really that good. :P
+No Name Although I'm looking forward to it, the one bad thing thing about Spiderman joining the MCU, is that we'll inevitably have to watch a Green Goblin, JJJ and Doctor Octopus NOT acted by Wilhelm Dafoe, J.K Simmons or Alfred Molina, due to the annoying 'can't bring the same actors back for a reboot' rule that seems to apply.
+fyz 306903 I wouldn't worry too much about it as Marvel has proven time and time again that they know how to cast their characters. If they do decide to introduce the Goblin and Doc Oc into the MCU I'm positive that whoever they decide to cast in those roles will be perfect for those characters.
+No Name You might say it's really that good.
Disagree on your dismissal of comic Doc Ock and Green Goblin. You are right, they serve as foils for Spider-Man in that they acquire immense power and abuse it for personal profit. But, you say that Green Goblin's character is enhanced because of his split personality, but what makes Norman's character compelling is that he IS the Goblin. He isn't a victim of his circumstances and a lab experiment gone wrong, he is simply everything that Peter isn't. With Doc Ock, you dismiss the character entirely, when once again he is an example of what an unchecked Peter would have been like. As for his aspirations, I wouldn't say using his power for profit and control is necessarily uninteresting.
I'm not sure how you think he dismissed Doc and Goblin, he's saying in and of themselves they wouldn't make for proper film fare. Their characterization in the comics is less important because we can expect to see them again and again, but they get one movie apiece, so we need to connect with them as quickly as possible, necessitating modest additions that compliment their warped reflections of Spiderman's morals. They're fine comic characters, and the movies are an excellent example of how to tweak them for a one-shot structure.
ruvelf Oh yeah. The thing about most Spider-Man villains is that most of them aren’t bad people per se as much as they are people VERY SIMILAR to Peter Parker himself that have given in to the temptation to look down on other people.
Doctor Octopus is a scientific genius who dedicates his life to altruism, but less out of a passion to make the world a better place and more out of an obligation to people he deemed lesser. And thusly, when he feels uncompensated in that altruism, he lashes out and commits criminal acts.
The Vulture is a working-class man who’s spent his entire life believing that hard work would bring him out of poverty, only to realize that his labor always has been, and was always meant to be, alienated. Now he robs banks out of a misguided kind of revenge.
The Green Goblin is man who’s torn apart because he needs to lead a double-life, and slowly begins to feel his alter-ego consume what’s actually left of his personality and his life. Only HIS alter-ego is an embodiment of every selfish, vindictive, and cruel impulse he’s ever had that is only strengthened by the anonymity that comes with wearing a mask.
Each of these people are examples of what Peter can become if he ever forgets that with great power comes great responsibility.
This is long overdue (for me to watch). I've seen people bashing the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies back when they were the only mainstream Spider-Man movies, and in the light of The Amazing Spider-Man and Spider-Man Homecoming, it's become trendy to rag on these movies (mostly Spider-Man 3, but also occasionally the other two) for "not getting Spider-Man right" or for being too stupid or corny, what have you. Not only am I glad you're doing an epic review and analysis of why the first two Spider-Man movies, I'm REALLY glad that it's your second most popular video on TH-cam! You've earned it, my friend.
Edit: Something I see come up when it comes to comparing Tobey's Spider-Man to Tom Holland or the comics' Spider-Man is that Peter Parker should be uncool, but Spider-Man should be, yet you're presenting it like neither Peter or Spider-Man should be cool... Nothing really to comment on otherwise, I just find your take interesting.
I hope you're still making a living off your content in some way shape or form Bob, I've been following you since 2009 and even when I disagree with your opinions I still enjoy and engage with your videos.
+Izaak Gray If you want to help him make a living out of it you can support his Patreon page! :)
27:12 - I SOOOOO cannot wait to see James Franco's Tommy Wiseau in The Disaster Artist! XD
27:58 - "Everybody betrayed me! I fed up wit dees werlde!"
Yo dude!
Bob! Reply!
obsheaux
lmao you're trying to seem self aware and ostentatious by calling lines that aren't even corny, corny. like i don't get it, this new age of shitty ironic humour is terrible. go read wallaces critique of irony you fuckhead.
Mad props to you Bob. Easily the most in depth video I've ever seen on not only spiderman, but for any film ever. The amount of detail you went into and how you analyzed these movies is beyond anything I've ever seen and I was truly entertained the whole video. This has given me a whole new appreciation and respect for the details of this movie and how good they really were. Growing up I loved these movies. There's a certain charm and enjoyment I always had about them and you summed up the feeling that I always had for them but that I could really never put into words. And you're anaylysis on 9/11 and how it related to this movie and how you drew the comparisons with star wars and pulp fiction and all those other movies was simply brilliant. In my opinion, his first 2 spiderman movies are 2 of the greatest movies of all time. Easily the best superhero movies and these movies will never be topped(at least in the superhero world) and there won't ever be another spiderman movie that is as entertaining, colorful, delightful, detailed, and culturally impactful as these. People who hate on these movies or say that homecoming is better need to watch this video because I'm sure their minds will be changed
Awesome video that puts into words why the Spiderman movies left such a strong impression and why the theme song still makes your heart flutter.
In every sense of the word; perfect.
+Sams ChanneI You and Mr. Chipman seem to have a similar reverence for the original series...and a similar hatred for the new series. Which is totally warranted, by the way, in both cases.
+Sams ChanneI LOL such a cliche comment that says nothing. far from fucking perfect mate.
+Sams ChanneI agreed these movies are still perfect movies screw the haters :)
+Tevya Smolka These movies are the godfather to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Screw the haters. I will re watch these movies before the Spider-Man reboot in 2017.
Alim Saleem agreed
Just watched this and I loved it! This video was coherent, consistent, and astounding. Very well done!
I don't usually submit comments but your "Really That Good" series is so spot on awesome that I am compelled to give my compliments. I thoroughly enjoyed this video and the Superman, the Movie analysis. Thanks for these.
Toby’s cringe dance in Spider-Man 3 had more meaning, depth and symbolism than all of Amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2 combined.
Bob I think this over-an-hour edition is awesome. It feels kind of like a more happy, positive counterpart to things such as Plinkett's reviews, which is really cool. The extra length and analysis makes it feel even more substantial than your usual videos.
(*sigh*) I am so _annoyed_ that this didn't show up on my feed and thus prevented me from watching it 6 hours sooner.
Damn TH-cam...
laz kar Oh yeah, definitely.
I'm glad he got popular for his _Pixels_ review (his only video to get over 2mil views, I think?), but..it's his Really That Good series that really make him a Great Film Critic, in my opinion.
laz kar Eh, it's not so surprising once you realise what a huge "old skool" gamer fanboy he is. Although I do admit to being a bit annoyed that he chose to review _that_ movie over more interesting things like _Inside Out_ or _It Follows_.
+Paradox Acres Hey, there is a way to get rid of TH-cam's annoying recommendations. Basically you have to clear your watch history and then pause your watch history. Google it for more details because I am generally terrible at explaining this. After I did that, my feed only had my subscriptions. It was amazing.
Samuel Trujillo Will try that. Thanks!
I always thought the ock claws were beautiful in a weird way for some reason
I love Robby in these films. He hints to Peter he knows his secret. It’s so subtle most people probably won’t notice.
Thank you for this. I now want to re-watch both films so much. Alas, not on Netflix.
Really, my only issue with these films is that one defining characteristic of Spider-Man was missing: the quips and banter. To me, Spidey was always the original motoermouth, and I loved that about him. Not all of the quips landed, but he was just running off, and I felt that was key to who he was, particularly as a New Yorker (from what I know of New Yorkers).
Anyway, if you read this: I really enjoy this series and also your MovieBob stuff. I think you do consistently rise to the challenge and you give new dimensions to these that I didn't necessarily see before. So kudos, sincerely.
I still find these two okay at best. But you definitely showed me why so many people adore these two. Part of it could be I saw them much later than most people (like back in 2015). But overall, I’m genuinely shocked by how much of the praise these films get went unnoticed. I can say Homecoming is currently my favorite, but you helped me understand why these films are really special (Despite me not really liking Tobey as an actor). I can honestly say, MovieBob, you majorly changed my perspective on them. 👍
Also, dang it Bob! You almost always make me cry at the end of these Really That Good Videos!
Christian Paystrup Homecoming was good but Raimi’s films are better (first 2)
This is the longest youtube video I've ever watch from start to finish, and I was gripped throughout. Just finished a marathon of Spiderman 1 and 2, and this video works as a worthy end to the session. Awesome work!
See haters, THIS is why we love moviebob
Because he makes quality content? Few are denying that. Most people take issue with the fact that he gets political for no reason other than to insult those that do not agree with him. It is petty, so people give the petty bullshit right back.
tygonmaster And then there's the fact that his political beliefs are retarded. We should consider ourselves lucky that we only see the bullshit we do.
And no, Bob and people like him, I'm not a member of the alt right.
Steel Xcaliber See, that's the thing. Lots of people agree with him. I am not denying that. I agree with some of his views he has voiced, but there is a time and a place to spout your views. A freaking review of Spiderman is not such a place. It derails the topic and just comes off at immature. It is like a child that keeps asking mommy for a snack during a movie: everyone understands the child is probably hungry and needs to eat, but people roll their eyes and wish the child would just fuck off. Bob is that child...but he is a grown man.
tygonmaster True.
@@tygonmaster bob is just an 8 year old boy trapped in a body of a 30 something year old man.
1 hour and 11 minutes, this will be quite the ride
This episode was perfect. The other episodes were really good, but the only problem was the fact that Ghostbusters, Die Hard, The Avengers, and Lampoon's Vacation are all movies everybody pretty much agrees are great, the first two Spidermans on the other hand have been relentlessly under fire since those two new shitty Spiderman movies came out. These are movies that both need and deserve to be defended.
+Paul Bulger I actually never really liked Ghostbusters, but his video made me appreciate the movie a lot more. The Avengers was in the process of slipping down my list of "best marvel movies", but thanks to his video it is back in the top three (firmly behind Winter Soldier and GotG though). This video...made me kind of understand why some people are still blinded by nostalgia, but I stand to my opinion that the first one was disappointing, the second one promising but only if the third had followed up properly and allowed some character development (which it didn't) and that I still haven't see a Spider-man movie which truly works to me. Though, yes, TAS 1 came the closest.
Wow. Several times throughout this video I got choked up. My earliest memories are of me going to a movie theater to watch Spiderman opening night and these two movies were a huge part in my upbringing. I never knew how much of an impact Spidey had on the U.S. post-9/11, and man was it eye opening. You know spiderman inside and I already knew alot of the things of these films but you showed alot of insight into other things and now i can appreciate these movies 100x more. Great video.
I liked this video so much that it inspired my first TH-cam comment ever! Your line about J.K. Simmons being the most "frighteningly exact translation of a comic book character from page to screen"= instant like/instant subscribe. Bravo!
You want to know how good Spider-Man 2 is? I saw it at the drive in, it was the middle movie. I sat through White Chicks, on two separate occasions, for Spider-Man 2. That’s how good it is.
Your stance on the first Iron Man being less-impressive-now and such is entirely understandable, but "is anyone willing to argue this?" may have been the wrong choice. I think a lot of people would argue that, the film still has plenty of people raving over it.
+YossarianVanDriver I do feel that the iron-man movies are better then a lot of people give them credit for
+YossarianVanDriver Yeah, there are a few times that MovieBob's "rage reviewer" shtick from his current movie reviews leaks in to this one, and it's unfortunate. He has this cocky way of making offhand remarks about movies other than the one he's talking about and treating them as unassailable fact. ("I think we can all agree that...", in short.) It's fine to say a movie is bad if you go into detail, but when you're just mentioning a movie in passing, you can't pretend everyone has the same opinion as yourself. It's more honest as a reviewer to say you didn't like something (or even hated it) than to just dismiss a film entirely without explaining why, and it undermines your authority.
+YossarianVanDriver Obediah Stane ain't no Loki. But hey, most of the villains in the solo Marvel movies are uh, kind of...
Batzarro maybe, but at least their more interesting than CGI lizard man that goes crazy, CGI battery man that 180s from geek to tough guy,and whatever they were doing with the goblin,which they threw in cause Gwen Stacy needed to die this movie apparently at least the villains don't feel thrown in(except maybe in iron man 3 , but that's more for a plot twist than feeling thrown in) my biggest problem with the amazing spidey movies was the romance, yeah raimi's spiderman had romance but it didn't feel like the whole movie, amazing spidey was literally a teen romance disguised as a super hero movie, when i go to a super hero movie I want things exploding, I want bad guys getting their face kicked in, I want high stakes, comedy and fun, I don't want twilight with spiderman for 90% of the film.
+YossarianVanDriver Iron Man 1 still, by far, the best Iron Man film, and the second best Marvel Studios movie in my opinion (Winter Soldier being the best)
Thank you so much for such an incredibly thorough (and moving) review, Bob. I hope you can do more of these longer-run-time pieces.
You speak everything about why I loved Spider-Man in the first place.
Not that he's relatable, or even funny or even kind, but the fact that all of these inspired everyone in the first place, like the New York crowds caring for Spider-Man and giving him help in the most needed of times.
There's another thing that speaks to JJ's character in the Spider-Man 3 game that I feel is worth mentioning. One of the quest chains in that game is dealing with a bunch of terrorists who plant bombs all around the city; at the end of the quest chain, their leader kidnaps and confronts JJ, who recognizes him as Luke Carlyle. Carlyle resents JJ for writing an article that ruined his business, but JJ immediately, adamantly expresses no remorse for the article, as Carlyle was "ripping people off" and causing mass pollution. This isn't as substantial as him risking his own life to save Peter from the Goblin, sure, but it shows he has legitimate integrity as a journalist.
I feel like I need to comment because of my profile picture.
yeah I can see.
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Noah Baldwin You get the opportunity when you fix THIS GOD DAMN DOOR!
Dude, I was legitimately crying, especially during the impact section. I watched them the first time when I was like 5 years old and since that day I love these movies. I feel like you put into words what my heart and brain always knew (and some things they totally didn't) and I want to thank you for that. Not enough people give them the love or respect they deserve these days...
Great job!
Also, the musical score! Especially in the more sincere moments (mostly between Peter and MJ). Oh the music in these parts of the movies hit just where it needs to to make you cry your heart out. And the dialogue and acting is more than enough to make you cry.
All this to say I can't watch these 2 movies without crying at least 3 times.
I don't care what you say, the most iconic part of the Spider Man movies to me will always be "He stole that guy's PIZZA!"
The Jameson protecting parker thing always made sense to me. For all of his douchebaggery J. Jonah Jameson is a newsman. That means he protects his sources. Its the core of almost every reporters moral idea. He wasnt protecting Peter Parker he was protecting news media. He was protecting the very core idea that was his entire life up to that point. It made perfect sense for Jameson to protect Peter at that point because if he gave him up he would no longer be a newsman he would just be a money grubbing editor who everyone hated. Instead he stood up for the integrity that defined his era of reporters as the last sliver of who he was before he became the boss.
Somehow you manage to expound upon movies that I love and then make me love them more through expertly elaborated points that justify it all. You’re amazing lol
I viewed this body of work 7 years after the Internet did, and I found myself reacting with the same emotional range that most movies today can't even spark. Keep being amazing Bob.