REALLY THAT GOOD - STAR WARS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2024
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Well, that took long enough - huh?
While often credited alongside JAWS with kickstarting the era of high-concept, “turn off your brain,” subtext-what-subtext blockbuster filmmaking, the supreme irony is that STAR WARS is quite the possibly the most analyzed, most-discussed, most picked-apart, theorized-about, academically-studied, fan-theoried, universe-expanded, dissected, deconstructed, obsessively… well, obsessed-over work of mainstream filmmaking (perhaps even mainstream ART, period) ever created.
On the other hand, a long time ago, STAR WARS was not ubiquitous: There was no “before” to draw on, no sequels to be looked forward to, no expanded universe, no forums, no fellow fanboys - nothing. And despite what the cinephile intelligentsia would have you believe, not every film that burned up the box office in the Auteur Era of the 1970s was an artistic triumph - spectacle-driven junk-food blockbusters both existed and made big money before George Lucas and Steven Spielberg came along. And there IS a narrative out there that holds up STAR WARS as being merely a “pretty good, kinda above average” example thereof that was merely in the right place at the right time.
Were they right all along? With so much time passed and so much cultural clutter of merchandise, sequels, prequels, Disney acquisitions, Expanded Universes, endless retoolings and fandom flame-wars; is it even possible for anyone to go back and examine the one that that started it all - by itself and only AS itself?
Maybe not. But we're going to try.
Is STAR WARS - the original STAR WARS... Really That Good?
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50:38 Moviebob: "it's subtle but they did put it on the title"
Me: "Ah of course, Stars because it's in space"
Brezel Ceviche there is nothing political about stars.
@@ashkuigp there is something political about everything, including stars. the ability or lack thereof for states to lay claim to those stars for example
I noticed that a lot of Star Wars (A New Hope) actually takes place in space, whereas most of the other films are more planet-bound.
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Stop talking in greentext memes and construct a sentence for once.
"YOU CAN ANSWER THE CALL TO ADVENTURE WHEN YOUR CHORES ARE DONE, RAHH!!" XD!!
Yeah, that part literally made me laugh out loud :)
Bob, in the time you’ve been making this. I signed my enlistment papers, I went to and graduated basic training AND my MOS training. I got promoted to Private First Class in the military. All I can say is....wait was worth it dude.
C.B. Smith space patrol?
Jay Anderson I had a guy from basic who loved warhammer so I teased him all the time about how now he can be a real space marine!
C.B. Smith nice!
@@theshamurai5767 he told me I could be whatever I wanted cause I was a special!
This was really that great Bob, however I can't really judge it till I've seen your following 2 sequels, a prequel trilogy , a follow up trilogy, some toys and I've eaten candy from a Pez head in your image........
I need at least 12 hours of fast talking commentary before I'm satisfied with Bob's interpretations.
I know you're joking but i actually would like to see a Moviebob Pez dispesner, at least as a gag item.
How does this comment not have like 2.7K likes lmao
1. Playing "I'm Han Solo" as the background music during the section about Han Solo? You glorious bastard.
2. "But Uncle Owen, I wanna answer the Call To Adventure" is instantly one of my favorite lines in anything.
3. You know what's way more fun than listening to someone tell you why something that everyone thinks is good is actually bad? Listening to someone tell you why something that everyone thinks is bad is actually good. So yeah, I'm very much looking forward to Really That Good: Adam Sandler.
"Really That Good" is for movies, not careers. If you want to hear the Sparknotes version of an Adam Sandler-centric episode of this, check out his review of Uncut Gems over on Escapist Magazine. He also did a The Big Picture episode on Nick Cage's career, in a similar vein.
@@unlurkingsentinel6872 NO RULES! If Bob wants to do a half-hour RTG on Cheeze-its then I am gonna be first in line!
@@unlurkingsentinel6872 Really That Good is for whatever the fuck Bob says it's for.
I know right Im like " oooh that should be a good one Sandler actaully has a tone of good out put its just that it get saturated with the shitty movies he does
I thought that #3 was a joke, but as I was reading it the preview started playing in the video...
20% of this film's dialogue is proper nouns and alien noises, and it's the 2nd highest-grossing film of all time. Yes, it's really THAT good.
Sambou Jaiteh even the actors famously thought the dialogue was awkward and stilted.
It is. Every prequel defender's opening line has always been pointing out that ANH and the OT in general is guilty of poorly-written dialogue and awkward performances (for example, Leia can't decide if she wants a British accent or not). And yet look what we have because of it. It's THAT good.
Jordan Quiles - note though that Leia's accent is heavily dependent on who she's talking to.
Jordan Quiles There’s nothing in the OT that’s remotely as awkward as the prequels. Sure, there’s an element of cheesiness to some of the OT, but it still works. Empire really is the standout in terms of the writing and performances. The prequels just make you cringe.
here are some timestamps
Prelude - 0:11
Opening - 6:35
The Basics - 8:49
Let's Dig Deeper - 17:38
Cahiers du Cinema et Theatrie de L'Auteur- 20:10
Star Wars has always been subversive - 26:18
The Solo Factor - 38:19
Star Wars has always been about things - 47:43
The Genre Question - 1:02:10
Let's Talk about Impact - 1:07:18
A Long Time Ago - 1:10:30
On the Other Hand - 1:19:01
Luminous Beings are we - 1:21:48
The Verdict - 1:26:00
Small correction to Star Wars and its relationship to the Vietnam War:
George Lucas, in an interview, literally says that he envisioned the Rebellion as the Vietcong and the Empire as the United States. He's been pretty outspoken in his criticism about the empire building of the US. The prequels were a commentary on the rise of George W Bush. He actually says his in his commentaries.
Anyone who thinks Star Wars isn't political is in some extreme denial.
Never mind that the bad troopers were literally called storm troopers which the elite nazi soldiers were also called . It was blatant
Matthew Heywood and that’s not even mentioning the First Order in TFA
But Bob's only talking about the first movie and IIRC Lucas doesn't go on the record explicitly about the Vietnam War connection until the production of RETURN OF THE JEDI.
Now that being said, originally Coppola had tagged him to direct APOCALYPSE NOW, which obviously he ended up not doing but he did do a good 2 or 3 years of pre-production on it around the same time he was writing STAR WARS so the war had to be on his mind.
@@matthewheywood8532 I hear yah. Or the fact that the Officer uniforms and Storm Trooper helmets were intentionally meant to be reminiscent of Nazis. Or the fact that the Empire hunted down an ethnic minority to near extinction of which Obi Wan has literally fled and hid to avoid being murdered by the Empire's Storm Troopers.
Some of the allegories aren't wholly intentional but they're definitely there.
@Metadigital
It is even more funny in case of Star Trek. A series what literally is about space socialists and some retarded incels didn't even get that ;D
I wish you had covered the effect of the music too. John William’s score follows the operatic formula of using leitmotif to both distinguish characters and to foreshadow moments later in the movie. It wasn’t a new concept, but it definitely helped to engage and connect audiences with the characters.
I've read that George Lucas once said William's score was the ONLY part of Star Wars he was entirely satisfied by. Which I guess is why he didn't opt to replace any of it in the Special Editions.
Bingo.
John Williams' contribution to the success of Star Wars can not be overstated, and yet it received no mention at all... 🤨
I'm glad you talked about how out there the first 15 or 20 minutes of the film are. I'm one of these old guys that saw it in theatres during its first run. I recall friends who were getting bored and left to go to the arcade next door (theatres hadn't thought of installing them yet). They returned after the Catana scene, which was easily the most talked-about scene in the whole movie. We all told them they missed the best scene in the film. It's easy for modern audiences to not recognize how huge that scene was at the time.
I was pretty young when I watched it for the first time (in the 90s lol) and I remember being pretty confused as well - admittedly I was a pretty easily confused kid, haha.
Now I really want to find a copy of the original edition somewhere to watch...
Curious what you though of the cantina music when you first heard it? For me it's so ubiquitous I can't imagine it seeming strange. What was it like for you if you remember?
@@TrueMetis It was a shot from the blue. By this point the film had fallen into pretty familiar territory: farmboy has stumbled into a massive adventure and has just met the wizened mentor. Then suddenly your in a bar filled with b-class sci-fi monsters just hanging out. A swinging jazz piece was the perfect choice. Something more somber (ala Casablanca) or folksy (like in a Western) would have been too on the nose.
@@Phourc Look for "Harmy's Despecialized Edition". It's pretty much perfect.
So, when are we getting the Really That Good for Alien?
I think that unlike even Star Wars, Alien might be one of the few widely popular films that absolutely everyone from critics to fans to random people on the street would *already* agree is Really That Good.
He's probably more likely to do Aliens since pedantic dicks like to pretend that it doesn't count
@@EngineerLume Alien and Aliens are equally good, just in different way.
I just thought it would be on his mind since he showed that trailer
Actually critics really didn't go for Alien when it came out. Pauline Kael famously savaged it. Siskel and Ebert were really the only critics who got it.
The title 'star the continuation of politics by other means' was rejected by the studio as too cumbersome.
- Some Prussian dude.
"...I think the black-helmet man just KILLED a guy?!"
This was also my very first reaction to this movie.
"My four-year old had never seen the film before. He looked at me and said, 'Dad, how could you?' " --James Earl Jones, voice of the black-helmet man.
"Bad man!" Two year old me, probably.
Not just killed him. Hoisted him in the air one handed by the throat and choked him out before throwing him against the wall.
If you wanted to demonstrate that your Heavy is NOT to be trifled with there are few better methods than that.
Han Solo was the key to all this. Because he's a funnier character than we've had before.
It's like pottery!
I’m afraid it’s stilistically designed to be that way, and you can’t undo that
Han Solo has the only real character arc in the first movie. Luke is largely the same person at the beginning and end, but Han? He starts out as a nihilistic, friendless mercenary and ends up risking his life for an embattled rebellion and people he's come to care about. Luke's arc doesn't really get going until Empire.
@@exquisitecorpse4917 The joke
It's been a while since I've seen the first movie, so realizing Han Solo said "this is where the fun begins" first and the Episode 2 meme is actually George Lucas doing his rhyming thing again kinda blew my mind
I was always annoyed about that in the prequels. It just seemed like lazy writing and not giving the characters their own kind of charisma.
Wasn’t it Ep3?
M P yeah I know what you mean, and it’s not just about lines too
The way Lucas recycled lightsabers and Ben’s clothes is ridiculous
@@simonegreco1958 Maybe, been a LONG while since I've seen the prequels
@@einootspork It was Ep III. Anakin during the opening flight to Grevious' ship.
You can tell how how long this has been in production by the completely casual use of the word "Boomer"
Ok boomer
Ok zoomer
Living Infernus Ok millennial
Oh god what has this become
Man that moment where he was showing various legendary weapons used through mythology and then Link and the Master Sword appeared in the montage had me throwing confetti in the air
The lady needs to be given a break lol. In order she had lost her ship and entire crew, been rendered persona non grata, been tortured for days by Darth Vader himself, watched her planet be blown up, be scheduled to be executed, had the sentence delayed and then be scheduled to be executed again. To follow this all up she has to fix the rescue plan of the idiots who were there to rescue her, landed in literal garbage, nearly been shot by a ricochet from Han's stupidity, dealt with a tentacle monster appearing and finally nearly been crushed by a garbage compactor...I think the lady is allowed to be a bit grumpy :-p
"I don't like Adam Sandler. He's so coarse, rough and irritating and he gets in everywhere."
say all you want about how good that one review was....
I found him through the Escapist with the "Wild things" review. it did me a big cry
I have seen Logan's Run, Star Wars and Alien, but it never clicked that Logan's Run was so close in terms of production time. It just seemed so much more "ancient".
Consider my mind blown.
LOGAN'S RUN was awarded the Oscar for Best Special Effects the year before STAR WARS won. That contrast still blows me away too.
Kind of casually dismissing 2001: A Space Odyssey though. And the biggest special effects film after Star Wars was Close Encounters, not Aliens.
I’d also highly recommend 1973’s Westworld for some pre-Star Wars contextual science fiction.
This channel is criminally underviewed
Having been in that generation that actually saw Star Wars in theaters in high school, the one thing I do have to add is that you seem to think audiences in the late '70s were a lot more surprised and mystified by Star Wars than they were. It was new and different yes, but few people thought it was confusing. Audiences were probably a lot more open to originality in cinema (and music) by far in the '70s and '80s than audiences today could ever dream of being, and when you consider what the Maverick filmmakers were doing in time-honored established genres with films like The Wild Bunch (westerns), or Bonnie and Clyde (gangsters); Star Wars fit neatly in there.
The cinematic pump had been primed for a Star Wars well before Star Wars came out.
People are more cynical today and overly critical now than back then, everything has to be near perfect or some people will just find a way to hate it.
The mind's eye? Funny that You say that.
MovieBob in "French Mode" is totally my mood right now
Food for thought: this past year, I started reading the 70's Marvel Star Wars run, and was amused to see narration and cover blurbs repeatedly refer to the main characters as "The Star Warriors." A term that apparently did not catch on in any way, shape or form, as far as I know. I realized somewhat later that no one, in Star Wars, ever, seems to actually use any variation of the name "Star Wars" in dialogue. Noone says "These wars among the stars will be over soon" or anything like that.
In a franchise that loves to include winks and nods and references in the form of dialogue, I just found that kind of interesting.
Star Trek has at least two in-dialogue references to its title. The first is from Q in "Encounter at Farpoint", who says that "it's time to put an end to your trek through the stars." And then Zefram Cochrane just flat out says "You're all astronauts, on some kind of star trek" in First Contact. The first kind of works since Q is basically a god and talks all flowery, the second is kiiinda weird.
Best of luck this go-round, bob!
For those reading comments now- in the event this gets taken down again, check Vimeo, which doesn’t deal with this crap.
I know I did.
Hell when I checked moviebob's Twitter page and he gave the link, I played it on my PlayStation 4 on full screen. It was sweet.
I would like to add one point, I was 8 in 77 and star wars blew my tiny little mind. It was so much more than anything I had ever seen. Its a memory that has stuck with me these 40 years, never bettered though lord of the rings came close. So to ask if it really was that good, ? leaves me with a knowledge that my entire life was different after watching it at the cinema in 77. It may be enough to say it is beyond terms like good or bad, it was an epic that changed my world for ever.
Yeah I think that as a millennial, LotR was probably the closest thing we had to Star Wars. The Matrix is right up there, too, but LotR stuck the landing a bit better. Still, I don’t doubt seeing Star Wars in ‘77 at the right age is a pretty unreplicable experience.
6:50. "I Dunno What 'A New Hope' Is... The movie's called STAR WARS'. Amen, brother.
When you started talking about Han Solo specifically, the Han Solo song started playing in my head so loudly that I did not realize it was actually playing in background for about 5 minutes.
I love this video so much, I watch it every December cuz Xmas time has been Star Wars time for me since 2017 and I have this video downloaded. Love this channel. It’s genuinely angering to me that this video doesn’t have at least a million views.
Well looks like I'm sitting here for an hour and a half
After the 4-5 hours of "Really that Bad: BvS", 1,5 hours almost seems like a short video.
The only angle I had in seeing Star Wars for the first time ( which blew my freaking mind ) was my father, who was born in the 40's remarking on how this was done exactly like a 'Flash Gordon' film from the 50's. He also said it was like '2001:A Space Oyseey', Robin Hood and the story of King Arthur and 'Lord of the Rings' ( the books of course ) all mashed together. I had no idea what he was talking about so it was no frame of reference at all but I know he felt like a kid watching it and loved it and I was a little kid and I loved it.
Thank you! I've been really looking forward to this one 😃
I though Peter Cushing was also a living legend at the time.
He would mostly have been known for the paycheck work he was doing for Hammer horror movies at that point. He is a legend, but at the time he wasn't really doing prestige movies
Dear Bob, I have been watching your videos for several years, of which your "really that good" series is my favourite. It's incredible how much work you put into this, showing an average movie viewer like me how many aspects there are to movies. Thanks for the enlightenment!
The bit as "confused moviegoer seeing Star Wars on opening day" is still some of my favorite illustrative play-acting on youtube.
This was so fun to listen to and a great peice. It was good to hear a star wars peice that didnt really punch up or down but more focused on what is and why.
More importantly this has been a huge help in some darker times personally. I'm losing a dog to cancer and the grief and anxiety of the entire situation has really left me to be able to do one thing, watch movies. And whether it be the timing or the algorithms dark hold on us all, the particular cocoon I've been in is star wars. Going threw all the movies and just listening to pieces on them. It's been a great distraction but a reminder of better thoughts, feelings and senses reality. Never let it be said that your hard work is unappreciated.
Thank You Bob
I just noticed that that is actually a Transformers coloring book in that Spaceballs clip!
As did I.
And I was like, "Wait was that Optimus Prime?" And as the secne kept on, "Damn it is!"
:::mind blown:::
Well. I didn’t think you’d be able to get this out before Episode IX, as much as I wanted you to. You sure proved me wrong. You always do great work with Really That Good and always find something I miss whenever I analyze the movies I love, which makes me love them even more. And you’ve done it again, Bob. Great work.
Really That Good: Adam Sandler? Well, I suppose if you're gonna choose a hill to die on, might as well make it Olympus Mons. Alright Bob, let's see where this strange torpedo goes.
Let's not forget how Pixels completely broke Bob. I sense making this video is, in part, therapeutic.
@Tim C Half of Transformers: The Movie in fact is actually good.
Eh, Adam Sandler's early stuff is still pretty great. It really depends how he talks about it all.
Well... as bad as shit like "Pixels" and the "Grown Ups" films were, I will still say that "The Wedding Singer", "Punch Drunk Love", and "Reign Over Me" are indeed "Really That Good".
Already watched on Vimeo, just here to play this in the background while working on other projects so Bob gets that sweet advertising money. Thanks for all the hard work, Bob
George just wanted to race cars.
I just saw Movies with Mikey's star wars video then came here! It's been a good week. I think I'll make one too!
Saw Mikey's video too huh?
You know, that would be a great framework for a George Lucas Biopic. Open with that car accident. He just wanted to be a race car driver. You can bookend the movie with that accident.
Who’s Mikey?
@@Jared_Wignall Movies with Mikey on the Filmjoy channel. Have fun!
He was almost killed in a car accident.
“And, A NEW HOPE? I don’t know what A NEW HOPE is, the movie is called STAR WARS.”
THANK YOU shit like this is why I love me some MovieBob
On whether or not it’s scifi vs Star Trek, it’s been discussed elsewhere that ST is pretty much fantasy in and of itself. Hell, the fact that all the ships have consistent gravity in space alone is basically magic, then you throw in warp drive, transporters and humanoid aliens with earth like cultures and it’s basically an elaborate D&D campaign set in space.
Holy shit.
I just realized that the "Spaceballs: The Coloring Book" is actually a Transformers comic with a Spaceballs sticker on top.
It took your video to show that to me, in a very random clip.
well there was a transformer in the movie
Yes hello, I'd like one Moviebob Star Wars/Smokey and the Bandit parallels video please and thank you.
With extra angry Boston accent.
There's no Coores beer in Star Wars(blue milk yes) and no swearing, except the word Damn.
You finally finished it!!!! Now where is our really that good of Wrath of Kahn?
I just want to say thank you moviebob. Making a VERY long story short, I was a kid who got the empty box from Kenner Toys. I've LOVED Star Wars since 1977. For years and years, roughly every two months or so I would watch the OT in a day. And I enjoyed it every single time. When the PT was added to the mix, I would take a weekend instead of a day. But that stopped about 10 years ago. For some reason I felt like I had to watch *every* movie if I was going to watch Star Wars at all. And that is simply not the case. After spending 90 minutes watching you're "really that good" I spent the next two hours watching Star Wars (the latest and greatest version with "Maclunkey"), and LOVED every minute of it. I now remember why I watched the OT so much: great characters, great story, great visuals (that for the most part still hold up; but that maybe because I am not watching in 4k), great music... the list goes on.
Anyone else get the feeling that Bob was constantly fighting an internal battle with himself not to turn this into a defense of The Last Jedi?
I think he reads the comment section.
i dought he has the emotional fortitude.
I have this idea that he’ll choose his moment. The dust will have finally started to settle, the smoke to clear, the angry mob will have started to tumbleweed towards a different proprietary trench war, and he’ll pop up like the gopher in caddy shack and yell “hey gang, have you considered that Rey is the reason you now prefer tea over coffee?” and not so much re-ignite the noise as replace the uneasy peace with a freshly stunned silence as the tumbleweeds try to figure out if they can re-cross the expanse they hadn’t realized was a mine field via the capricious wind power of mob rage or if they can just slip the rest of the way out and never come back like that was their plan all along.
@@dominomasked oh. ..kay. um. Do you need to talk? A hug maybe?
Bamalo yeah, I have no friggin clue what that was.
I saw Star Wars in the theater in 1977. I think I can tell you the elements that made the movie not only succeed, but transcend the moviegoing experience in the way that James Cameron often does. Just from what I remember that summer day in 1977. The movie is well crafted, and the bar scene really helps cement the notion that this movie is capturing your imagination in a unique way. But that day in 1977, what really sent the crowd into movie going nirvana was Han Solo showing up out of the blue at the Death Star battle and saving the day. In 1977, the audience had written him off, with the thought that me might show up at the very end to congratulate everyone. In my movie theater, I remember the characters reacting to something unexpectedly happening, and then the audience GOING NUTS when the camera switches over to Han, and it's clear he's saved the day for Luke. After that happens, you felt as if you were sitting right along side of Luke when he goes in for the kill with the Death Star. Han having helped made the destruction of the Death Star feel even more personally cathartic. And then the award ceremony- the 1977 audience sat with the biggest smiles on their faces. I think the fantastic chemistry of Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, and Carrie Fisher also helped differentiate Star Wars from earlier sci-fi adventure movies. It was this friendship that I feel all of the other Star Wars movies lacked.
1000% agree
"War is the continuation of politics by other means." - Carl Von Clausewitz.
Star War is the continuation of star politics by other means - Star Charles Von Clausewitz
@@lorcannagle you made me spit out my star spaghetti
@@derkik Your Star Spaghetti, surely?
@@lorcannagle I star fixed it
"The black helmet man killed a guy"...
Put me in mind of "science monster" and "space jesus" and such from the Really That Bad.
Can Bob please give all movies this treatment?!
Whew, a few comments: first, thank you for not even mentioning special editions. I was scared this might be another comparison video about Lucas' tinkering, and there are plenty of those.
Second: in your comparison of Rose Tico to an everyman, I actually think Finn fits that much better. His reactions and dialogue are the most human. I like Rose, but nothing she says sounds remotely like how people actually talk or think.
Third: "genre" really just exists to assist the consumer in decision-making, and I'd more quickly recommend Star Wars to fantasy fans than strictly sci-fi fans.
I've decided to tell everyone that Rose Tico was literally created because Rian Johnson couldn't write Finn and Poe, and he literally admits in The Art of Star Wars Last Jedi; she is literally a stand in for Poe. That's why, while an interesting idea, she doesn't quite work, because she's not her own character, she's a replacement for another character
@@MakiPcr You read something about preproduction and made up your mind. I have to add: this is the same process for everything in every movie. I could say: Vader wasn't Luke's father in the first draft of The Empire Strikes Back, and this is why "no, i am your father" doesn't work.
Rose works just fine, people on the internet are the only ones complaining and trying to convince themselves and others otherwise; which is fine (but there has been two years already).
Finn comes from StarWars (if you get what i mean), he just doesn't know about the force; Rose does not comes from StarWars, and is an anti Han Solo character. Han Solo is the character your father watched in movies, it was the character he wanted to be, the kind of adventures he wanted to see. Rose, in exchangge, is your father; is a working class person who is not above the law making her own rules (because she can't, she is working class). But, the same as most working class people, she is actually not stupid, she knows about the cynicism that runs the world, and she finds something to hold on to.
Rose works well for her place in this movie and she also works well as a companion to Finn: She is a rebel (one of those who we always see running in the movies and getting blown up), Finn would give his live to save Rey but is not a rebel.
Eventually they get into a middle place: Rose would give her life to save the ones she loves (which is what Finn was doing at the beginning of the movie, but got stopped by Rose) and Finn becomes a rebel (which was what Rose was being at the beginning of the movie). The middle place is: be a rebel, but know what your motives are: saveing the ones you love, not just blowing up or dying senselessly trying to be a hero. Living is the best thing you can do against the First Order.
@@davidv4018 My father is an university professor with a PhD in mathematics, meanwhile I'm a call center worker trying to unionize my workplace. You only alienate people by making assumptions about the audience, many of us are Rose in our real lives, working people trying to affect a positive change in the world; and that's kind of why the character doesn't work, because she doesn't ring true to us, because her lines are preachy and unnatural, because her background is overly dark -and Rian Johnson has never met a working class person in his life-
Second, this are RJ words as for why he created Rose: "I looked at [Finn and Poe's] dialogue and realized I could interchange any of the lines"* he admits he couldn't write these 2 men with different personalities and wildy different backgrounds as different people, JJ didn't had that problem. And that's the problem with Rose, it's not that she's a new addition, Lando worked just fine in Empire, it's that she's not fully developed. Maybe JJ could've worked her more if he hadn't had to rush to get a movie out in 2 years working with several disparate ideas, but that didn't happen
*source: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rose_Tico#Behind_the_scenes
There is simply no way to properly experience and convey just how much Star Wars changed goddamned EVERYTHING unless you'd suffered the transistor radio, powder-blue polyester pantsuit, avocado-colored Ma Bell phone, Pet Rock and "What's a taco?" world that proceeded it.
Thank you so much for still making this when you now have like 3 new jobs you have to do, and so much less time on your hands to make stuff like this. The Really That Good series is one of the best things on the Internet, I've watched them all 5 or 6 times each, at least
Your comment is very dear to me, so that I know I'm not the only weird one that re-watches these things every once in a while (I probably seen just the 3rd part of the BvS episode at least 5 times, and I don't want to stop and think about how many times I've seen the other two)
This was so worth the wait! I absolutely love the angle you've taken with this video, it's a fresh look at this 1977 classic.
I can't believe it's been 7 months since the preview!
I've watched Star Wars dozens of times, and it's only now I realize how truly great JEJ's reading of "what?" at the end of the trench run is. It's replaced "Whip, whip, stir, whip!" as my favorite SW quote.
Me: Man that was a ballsy thesis to open on.
Bob: *Cuts to Han Solo*
Me: *Standing Ovation*
This does a really good job of explaining why i've always felt pretty...um..negative about the entire series. It's not the movies. it's the culture that's grown up about it.
Ive waited nearly two years to say this, "This will be a day long remembered."
Co-Heckler is a great term and you should be totally proud of it Bob.
Man, I come back to this video over and over. I especially love the "On The Other Hand" section in this one. Thank you for making such great content, Bob.
Not mentioned, but the reason I love this movie so much: The entire Battle of Yavin sequence is a masterpiece of pacing, editing, special effects and cinematography. It remains probably my favourite scene from a film.
Always happy for a new episode of this series. You and Lindsay Ellis really have perspectives that go above and beyond most of the film discussion present on TH-cam.
Love the fact you could not talk about French cinema without being in black and white with a bright red balloon. I believe that is the shortest film to make me cry. Nice touch including it.
I’ve been in the “There never was a really good Star Wars movie” camp for a while, but you’ve pushed me to appreciate it just a little more.
I love how D&D makes it into the RTG for Star Wars. I hadn't put those together even though both were part of my formative, with Star Wars coming first. The interaction and influence of RPGs on media is something I would love to see explored especially today when D&D is reaching into new media avenues.
This is your BEST “Really That Good” @moviebob keep up the good work. You put everything in my head in an near essay I can co-sign completely.
Bob your writing is sharp and engaging. My only gripe is the sped up narration sounds unnatural. keep up the great work man.
I literally watched/listened to this at x2 speed, haha. I see what you mean, though.
This. I dig it and want to hear more, but it's kind of like you're moving too fast for the weight of the points you're making. Let it marinate a bit so its jucier
@@MisterSanders1 Yes
Thank you thank you thank you thank you for finishing this. Reclaiming a project from life-creep and timeline failure is some serious creative heavy-lifting, and just keeping up with the process of getting this video made has been a journey. Really great finished product, I hope you feel like a complete rockstar as you celebrate into the new decade!
Damn, this is another triumph. Just want to say that it was worth the wait, and thank you for making it
1:14:43. The quick interconnectedness breakdown of Star Trek, Conan, and Lord of the Rings had me going “Oh man, is he going to bring up D&D? I really hope he brings up D&D.” As soon as you mentioned it, I had to stop to write this comment. Because, y’know, I enjoy D&D, and seeing its inclusion makes me happy.
I’m somewhat surprised there isn’t a mention of Jodorowsky's Dune, which if made would have changed everything, and Star Wars would have probably just been a footnote.
I'm a 40k fan. Wanna talk about the question of "does magic make it not scifi" THAT IP has it in spades lol. And for the record yes 40k is totally scifi lol
Colleywoodstudios oh god don’t........cause your wrong. 40k is gothic and eldrich horror, not sci-fi.........
@@Crosis101 Why are the two incompatible? Last time I checked there's as much about Gene therapy and Warp drives in 40k as there is about the Warp and existential threats beyond mortal comprehension. Saying 40k isn't Sci-fi is like saying Star Trek isn't social commentary.
Ehhh so...when we make the points about 40k or star wars being fantasy, my take is does the fact the Eldar use laser guns make them less space elves....? I think there is a case for Tyrannids being scifi, but there is a lot of the setting that is straight up magic...the Warp is a realm made up of all the thoughts of sentient beings and give rise to deamons and gods....i mean...thats pretty NOT scifi in my experience. It doesnt atop me from enjoying the setting, but the setting is to give me reason to bang my plastic miniatures together, not trying to be something more meaningful than that. That said i love the setting.
@@Crosis101 I'm not how 40k being also Sci-fi gives it any additional "meaning," its a setting. The Warp also allows for Interstellar travel, the fact that the races of 40k can exploit a literal Hell dimension for functional FTL travel is pretty Sci-fi. I'm not trying to ruin your enjoyment of the setting or smashing your plastic figurines together, but call a spade a spade.
Ok. Its not SF then. There’s magic in the setting and thats enough to kick it to the curb. It’s a metal setting. It is a 15 year old boy in the 80’s idea of edgy and awesome. Its a rule of cool universe. Its SF trappings bolted over a fantasy setting so they could sell their game bettwr in the US, because in the US especially in the 80’s we hated fantasy because the US experience ISNT fantasy...our experience is SF.
Bob,
This was really good. I loved that you took the time to explore the landscape of pop culture before the film landed. Really interesting stuff for me. Star Wars HAS been a part of my life always. Best thing I can say is this mad me want to go watch Star Wars again. Thanks!
So Han and Chewy are Waldorf and Statler?
Now it makes sense.
“Forgive me, grandmother. I was always the joke” was the French part.
"These past few attempts at my franchise have left me scarred and deformed."
-George Babungledorf Lucas
The fact that you released this the day after Mikey's star wars video is proof that the universe is on my side
Mikey?
Movies with Mikey. He's good and should be checked out.
Bob I love you, but....
That's it. I love you.
And it's funny...
I was watching this while TNT was airing ANH & ESB...
On the consumerism bit, a lot of that, I think, rested on that Lucas had the merch rights and the like.
But this, and the one you did on the '85 Transformers film are well worth rewatching.
Who needs movie night when you can have MovieBob night? I'm stoked for this.
Absolutely perfect timing bob! I just rewatched the despecialized edition of the new hope and I'm really excited for this video!
With Episode IX coming out next week, I'm tempted to marathon Harmy's IV thru VI and re-watch VII and VIII on Blu-Ray.
This was totally worth the wait. Honestly, I love hearing more about the cultural context of when it came out.
And a generation of fans willfully ignored that the Empire were Space Nazis.
Finally! I've waited all year for this. Thanks for the Xmas gift Bob, I love it! Looking forward to more Really That Good in the future.
When the end credits teaser popped up, I thought Bob was gonna do another Really That Bad episode.
Nope. Turns out, we're getting a look at Adam Sandler's career. First time we're covering an actor for RTG.
I like that idea. I've wanted to check out some of his earliest comedies anyway.
@@jordansweet8054 You really should, the dude made some great movies
Hi, big fan that's found your work by way of the Escapist. This is so incredibly in depth. Thank you for this!
I always compared Han and Chewy to a space "Any Which Way but Loose" dynamic.
"Right turn, Chewie."
Having finally digested it, I have some comments.
1. French Bob is great.
2. Really glad you brought up how Han's personality works so well to draw the audience in for what would otherwise be maaaaybe too esoteric a film to stick with.
3. I am so very much ready for that particular Really That Good next. Please let it be soon.
The "On the Other Hand" section really hit me hard.
I've attempted to make my peace with the fact that the special editions will be the only versions seen from hear on out, but the fact that it's so difficult to see Star Wars the way it was back before it became this massive franchise that has a fanbase so toxic that it borders on being a cult.
All fandoms are toxic now, because toxic people have realised that fandoms are the best way to spread their toxic message. Either you listen to their bilge, or you leave the fandom.
@@wratched That's because mods (whether appointed or collective based) are too afraid of starting "drama" than actually getting E I'd of the toxicity! AKA they are toxic because we let them get that way. And now we have to do the work to detoxify them!
If you punch in A New Hope 1977 you can watch the OG unaltered version right here on YT
1. This was absolutely freaking awesome and the best way to spend my morning.
2. I am...UNREASONABLY excited for the Adam Sandler episode.
3. I know it's possibly on your docket already, but I would like to toss you my vote for a Lord of the Rings episode.
For me, the original trilogy ( yes, 4-5-6), untouched by cg or retcons and whatnot, are my 3 favs! I grew up watching them so much on tape, my parents had to get new ones. It was silly fun for my little girl head, it was different from whatever was on the state channel, and I could (kind of) dream myself into that universe BECAUSE it was so barebones!
Damn it was great for sparking my imagination!
With Ep. 9 approaching, a few of my favorite youtubers are putting out various Star Wars retrospectives, and I am all for it. I appreciate the thought you put into how you look at this, it brings up some interesting things.
You referenced the space trilogy by cs Lewis. I freaking love you.
Great job, again, Bob! Thanks for all your hard work! Always nice to look at something of grand influence with different perspectives. Can't wait for your LOTR episode(s).😀
I notice how differently the actors spoke their lines in Star Wars than in Empire/Return
it's been 84 years...seriously, bob, thank you for all your hard work. the segment where you basically put yourself in the shoes on someone who'd never seen or heard of star wars before when it first came out is *golden* and really demonstrative of how amazing it is that a movie like this was so successful in the first place. and i mean that as a good thing, because my first memories of star wars even being a thing was seeing ads for revenge of the sith on tv as a kid and being freaked out by how weird and almost incomprehensible everything looked. and then that moment where binary sunset just draws everyone in because you finally get that moment of universality...like wow. of course, the music and cinematography is incredible, but you really have to hand it to mark hamill for being able to convey that much emotional gravitas without dialogue. like the prequels proved, that kind of grandiosity can become unintentionally funny in the hands of actors (directed so they're) giving less than stellar performances (across the stars not withstanding). even though i still vehemently dislike the last jedi (because of the luke...stuff), this was really great in all aspects.
also, re: people taking originally subversive characters and boiling them down to the stereotypes they were written against, the misreading of han solo as some kind of fuckboy or "womanizer" is at the top of the list. han practically trips over his feet in embarrassment and fear of unrequited feelings whenever leia is around. sure he's suave, but most of that is a facade. he's cocky and arrogant when it comes to smuggling, not like...actual human interaction, which is part of the reason why his arc in a new hope is such a big deal.
That was the first time anyone mentioned what it is that makes me feel weird about the EU--it never felt like SW to me because it was full of all of those square-jawed hyper-heroes and incessant techno-speak.
Can I be real? I put off watching this particular Really That Good episode because Star Wars (episode IV) is not only my favorite in the franchise (next to Last Jedi and maybe Empire), but is also my 4th favorite movie of all time. While the franchise has seen a lot of ugliness in regards to its fandom, I keep looking at Star Wars as being bigger than what it is, ignoring the toxicity that the internet has engulfed it in, and loving every aspect of it, good, bad, or even the Holiday Special. But Star Wars, in particular, has a significant place in my heart and one that I personally don’t feel like I could live without as a functioning adult, anymore than I could when I was a growing child. Star Wars means the world to me, and I was really looking forward to seeing this particular RTG episode, and now, I’m finally gonna watch it.
Native Chicagoian here. Peoria is pronounced Pee-oria. Guessing the Payoroa was Bob’s Boston accent sneaking out.
Star Wars is like the city of dreams. A place that curently satisfies many with it fast and convenient markets, while there others are who will only see ugly condos where craftman houses once were and then other still who remember a time when the trees were so thick that a squirrel could travel the length of the city and never touch the ground. We all wake up one day to find something gone but the city never dies.
That Rock's Modern Life clip is just that good eh?
It got very annoying, Bob overuse of clips as a crutch just bothers me, though Bob's editing just seem stilted to me overall