What I enjoy about Raimi's Venom is that Eddie's grudge against Spidey were genuinely a result of Peter's callousness, as opposed to Comics Eddie, who simply found himself betting on the wrong horse during the Sin Eater debacle and wrongfully deflected blame onto Spidey.
Raimis Venom gained majority of it’s inspiration from the 1994 Spider-Man TAS. Which doesn’t follow the comic book origin of the symbiote and venom, which actually turned out to be a great idea.
@@wyattlundrigan4740 ironically i think this is why the movie didint work. the eddie brock on the show had reasonable motivations to hate spider-man. even tho spider-man was doing the right thing his efforts to help did stymie eddie's career while he was doing legitimate and then foiling a few poorly thought out revenge schemes in which he was either a major or supporting part. this worked because it allowed eddie lots of episodes to develop making his motivations easier to grasp and cut a bit deeper. whereas the movie well better left unsaid
Me too he was always been my favorite bad guy and I was expecting him to make his return in no way home, but never had. But hopefully he might appear next year for the next Venom movie incases there’s further consequences because you may not know when his back is turned.
Willem Dafoe was perfect as Green Goblin, in seconds he goes from Norman to a psychopath who really shows how Green Goblin is the Joker to Spider-Man’s Batman. He’s honestly up there with my favorite movie villains of all time behind Thanos and of course Darth Vader Though in terms of design, that easily goes to Mysterio, that suit is sick, and the fact they not only kept the fishbowl, but made it work is something I commend them for
I much i hate Mysterio being another ex stark employee that has beef with Tony. His design and character were great. Just wished he wasn't another ex stark employee.
I think Goblin is the best villain in the entire MCU. Most of their villains we are told to relate to or understand their motives which is good writing but sometimes I just wanna see a vindictive psychopath who just enjoys chaos.
I think that MCU Mac Gargan should become the Scorpion, fight Black Suit Spider-Man, bond with the symbiote when Peter abandons it, and become the Venom of the MCU. This would allow the MCU to have its own distinct version of Venom and pay tribute to Gargan's stint as Venom in the comics.
I still feel like Gargon probably gonna be symbiote scorpion. I’d rather see him as a mutated monstrosity version rather than his comic costume version.
I'm afraid that we won't finally see him. He would have been a good Scorpion/Venom because Michael Mando is a great actor and he knows how to intimidate
Ok holy sh*t your pitch for bringing back Mysterio sold me. I love the character but I was kinda against bringing him back… but man what you described is the perfect way to do it. Plus it would be really cool to have Mysterio be MCU Spidey’s recurring arch nemesis
I knew nothing of your channel going into this video, but I’m so happily surprised to see another person as in-love with Mysterio as I am. Literally my favorite comic book villain of all time and I think the MCU adaptation does such a brilliant job of modernizing the character and maintaining every aspect of Quentin Beck’s character traits and the qualities of his that make him Spider-Man’s best villain
I feel Miguel is a lot more fucked up than a lot of people acknowledge. He hid the death of the other Miles (edit: I meant the other Miguel), denying an innocent man a proper burial and deceiving his family into thinking he’s their loved one. Also I absolutely agree with you on Mysterio. The fun thing about Mysterio to me is that, if you really think about it, he’s the one villain Marvel _cannot_ kill. Quentin Beck may have been the one pulling the strings but he had an entire team behind him, a team that’s still out there and still has the tech they need to recreate him. Unless literally every single member of his crew gets wiped, Mysterio still lives.
He did all of that only to be proven wrong in the same movie but he doesn't top Goblin for me or even makes my top 10 because at the end of the day he is still a spiderman
Honestly not enough people talk about how much the MCU Spider-Man *nail* their villains. Vulture, Mysterio, and Green Goblin is such a good lineup as the main villain for the first Tom Holland trilogy and all of them are played and written extremely well
i dissagree because the vulture was never that special but was done on equal levels like the lizzard and mysterio i also never cared about but he was done DIRTY IN Spider man 2 (tom hollond)
I applaud you for including that lady who refused to pay for her pizza! (Especially as someone who's worked in the service industry and been snuffed by multiple customers, AND as someone who lives close to New York City and can testify to just how fantastic New. York pizza is!)
I agree with Mysterio. He’s a very underrated villain and I feel like everyone forgot about him but he was pretty cool and VERY evil. Like all of Spider-Mans villains are evil but at least they have hearts but Mysterio did not have a heart at all. He wanted to lie to the whole world, cause destruction for no reason, and kill children. Now that’s a bad guy!
Love this. Mysterio was absolutely my second favorite villain ever behind the Scarecrow. Both using illusions, fear, and insecurities to mess with whoever fights them. Both showing they are extremely intelligent even against powerhouses like Spidey or Bats
Bro same, scarecrow and mysterio are my 2 favorite comic villains. The way they both use mind games and illusions to mentally fuck with and break their heroes is so unique to other villains
I’ve come to appreciate tophers venom for what he was, I just don’t like that they kept peeling back the mask. Electro I just think is cool, and I’m including tasm 2. I think his theme is sick and think he has some of the coolest action scenes ever put to film for Spider-Man. I love how the Times Square scene is all about escalation; being in the wrong place at the wrong time, how circumstance affected the character and how Andrew’s Spider-Man tries calm the situation by remembering max as a person. For once Peter tried to do everything right and it still blew up in his face. Sometimes people just can’t be reasoned even when you try do everything right. That scene always facilitates, best scene in TASM 2 for me.
Crazy ranking but your defense of Mysterio as a villain convinced me i underrated NWH. Ur right, he wipes the floor with Peter with lies, a gun, and a grin on his face. galaxy brained
I remember seeing a theory that when Electro got “uploaded” in ASM2, he gained access to the internet and learned Peter’s identity A stretch but I like the explanation
In NWH when he describes the events leading to his death he has a throw away line about “absorbing data” which I assume is the quick explanation for why he knows the information that Peter is Spidey. Later in the movie is him seeing Peter’s unmasked face for the first time “you got a nice face you’re just a kid… I thought you were gonna be Black”
People like to trash on some MCU design choices for their characters but man they nailed every single major Spider-Man villain down, from Vulture to Mysterio and even Shoker, also making William's goblin use the hood and the so needed redesign for Electro, I just love them all design-wise
Their was at least reasoning behind Lizard wanting to turn everyone into Lizards in TASM. He basically wanted to evolve humans to be stronger and with him growing insane from turning into Lizard he took drastic measures.
TH-cam started auto replaying this video randomly and I'm glad it did because hot dang I completely missed characters were in movies until I saw this again.
I 100% agree to your thoughts on Raimi's Venom. He's the evil Spider-man. There is no Lethal Protector about him(although I like Tom Hardy's Venom better)
Spider-Man 3 is my childhood film since I was little I always loved Sandman and this Venom, it surprised me growing up to see that in reality many people hate it.I always liked his design resembling Spider-Man's costume in Maleficent.s When I was little with my twin brother we called him ''The Evil Spider-Man'' I always liked this concept of a mirror Spider-Man, I think it's the role that best suits Venom rather than a giant black Alien who plays the clown
Electro heard Gwen call Spidey "Peter" by mistake so he does no Spiderman's name is Peter which does kind of qualify him to get picked up by Dr Stranges spell.
Electro, not only connected himself to everything to possibly be able to learn who Peter is, but heard Gwen yelling Peter’s name. That would explain how he didn’t know that Peter was white until he took the mask off.
6:47 The best thing I can say about his design in TASM 2 is that he looks like a rejected, K-pop star. 7:01 The thing about The Rhino is that he has also been a little over-the-top (which isn't inherently bad) but in TASM 2 he is just cracked up to 11. All the cartoons have nothing on the level of cartoonishness that this Rhino is. 12:22 That is noteworthy since the Scorpion was always a buffed-up character since in pretty much every version it is clearly established that The Scorpion is more powerful than Spider-Man (because of course, Scorpions eat spiders). 13:14 Tombstone being Kingpin's right-hand man in Into The Spider-Verse reminds me of the very complicated rights issues that happened with the Kingpin behind the scenes (because while Kingpin is a Spider-Man villain he is also Daredevil's arch-nemesis so for a time it was unclear whether he was solely a Daredevil character or a Daredevil and Spider-Man character when rights were concerned) which lead to Tombstone in Spectacular Spider-Man (speaking of complicated rights issues) basically being the Kingpin because at that point the Kingpin (when rights were concerned) as purely a Daredevil character so they had to have a substitution. That of course isn't the case anymore since he was in Into the Spider-Verse but whenever someone talks about Tombstone being a henchman of the Kingpin (or when he is one) I can't help but get reminded of that. Now this isn't a bad thing but it is just something I wanted to bring up. Also bringing up Daredevil and Spider-Man reminds me of how I think Zeb Wells and Nick Lowe seem to be mixing up Spider-Man and Daredevil (and that is me being very generous, cough cough Paul). Basically, the big difference between these two characters is that Spider-Man can lose and sometimes does but his life is supposed to be realistic, not shitty (even though a realistic life has shitty moments) while Daredevil is Marvel's greatest loser (and I mean that in the best way possible) and those are the reasons why both are great characters but they are the same characters. I could explain why Daredevil is Marvel's greatest loser but I found a video that already explained it better than I could so here is a link to it: th-cam.com/video/EwtQfRqc0zs/w-d-xo.html 26:37 There were some deleted scenes that expanded on that but sadly those were, of course, deleted.
How is Peter B not on the list? He was literally suicidal in ITSV, Miles inspired him to clean his life up and have a child, only to drink Miguel's Kool-Aid and not have Miles' back in ATSV?
Wow I was def surprised by your ranking! I think you might of moved mysterio a few spots up for me! My top 5 1. Green goblin 2. Homecoming vulture 3. Doc ock 4. Prowler 5. Mysterio
Electro probably is a different version but in No Way Home, but he actually doesnt know who Spiderman is. There's a scene at the end where Garfield takes off his mask and they make a joke that Electro thought he'd be black. Honestly i think it's just a plothole that "everyone who knows peter parker is spiderman is coming to the MCU" and this version of Electro actually didn't
I completely agree that mysterio of one of the most important as far as pushing the story forward but is still say Norman was more important ruining 2 different spiderman from 2 different universes… that’s kinda untouchable
I heavily agree with Mysterio as your number one, he’s technically the most comic accurate Spiderman villain both in design and character.. I would never truly realize that if I haven’t watched this video.
Before I watched this video, I was questioning how are there 38 when the best I cud count was 25 or 26. Then you picked the pizza lady at last place lmao. I see this list also has villains who were set ups or just minions. I fully disagree with this ranking because of how high Mysterio is and I really think Shriek shud be lower than Tombstone or others
Green Goblin not getting number 1 is absolutely criminal he is the best Spiderman Villain and No way home just proved his supremacy. Mysterio is definitely 2 or 3 material and I flat out hated Far from home as a Spiderman movie for a long time but Mysterio was easily the best part of this movie but he is not topping Willem Dafoe
Heres my ranking from best to worst: 1. Green Goblin 2. Mysterio 3. Doc Ock 4. The Spot 5. Kingpin 6. Spiderman 2099 7. Bully Maguire/Emo Parker 8. Vulture 9. Sandman 10. Prowler 11. MCU J. Jonah Jameson 12. Dennis Carradine 13. Olivia Octavious 14. Electro 15. Venom (from Spiderman 3) 16. Dane Dehaans Green Goblin 17. Harry Osborn New Goblin 18. Lizard 19. Donald Menken 20. Both Shockers 21. The Elementals 22. Rhino HM goes to that desk lady who wouldn't even cut Pete slack for running late with the pizzas.
Wirhout even watching, my prediction fir the top 5 are: 1. Raimi Goblin 2. Raimi Doc Oc 3. Carnage 4. MCU Vulture 5. The dude who would not pay Raimi Peter his 3 grand.
To be fair, they could have Matt Gorgon become the MCU’s version of venom, since he was the host for the same be out for a good while in the comics and it would be an unexpected choice
I've been saying for years, "Any villain can be cool with a good enough writer." People usually responded with, "Yeah, sure😒." Well, here we are now, and Spot is seen as a cool character, so who's laughing now kids?
Fun fact: Dr. Ratha from TASM1 was originally going to turn into the Proto Goblin before script changes cut most of his scenes from the movie in favor of more Lizard scenes.
Thank you for putting the _'not paying of the pizzas'_ lady here (😄)! I personally am a fan of the whole idea of Norman Osborn _physically_ transforming into the Green Goblin (becoming a genuine *monster* in the _literal_ sense of the word as Norman is a _'monster'_ as a _human being_ already). Hence why I *wish* we'd get _more_ of the "Into the Spider-Verse" Goblin, but until then, I'll take what I can get (👍).
That awkward moment when Pup says he tried the real Joe's pizza but there are like 5 or 6 different Joe's pizza spots all in different directions of NYC 😂
I finda it pretty cool how green goblin died with peter in the first spiderverse movie. The arch enemies dies together kinda poetic. And ig it can be argued that peters arch enemies are greengoblin venom or doc ock
Dude. Imagine. Black suit Spider-Man fights. Peter's blacked out. The symbiote is in control. Goes as hard as the Super Sonic Frontiers fights. Dude could be beating the living daylights out of Rhino set to metal music. It'd be top tier.
The no way home writers just didn’t look too far into the tasm and Raimi movies. That’s why there are so many plot holes like them not knowing who Spider-Man is
we really need to see molten man, hydro man and cyclone as real spider-man villains for the movies and not allusions, and there's no point of seen sandman cause we do see him in spider-man 3 and spider-man: no way home
As for Doc Ock making a different choice after NWH... if I'm not mistaken, they get pulled into the MCU at the moment of them discovering Spidey's secret identity no? And... doesn't Otto only find out moments before he has to sacrifice himself? So... unfortunately the NWH version of him is still doomed. Norman on the other hand is put into a an immensely interesting spot. The version of Spider-Man 1 that the reformed Goblin of NWH gets sent back to gets radically changed. It doesn't have even remotely the same third act. It loses its villain immediately after the Thanksgiving scene and instead becomes a movie about Peter and Harry having to help a Norman who's woefully depressed and going on about multiverse stuff after turning himself in for his crimes as the Goblin prior to his Thanksgiving revelation. The finale of the 2002 movie becomes one about Peter and Harry strengthening their friendship over admitting Harry's father to a mental institution, which then drastically changes how Spider-Man 3 can turn out since Harry is no longer wanting revenge and just... it's just such a fascinating upset to the entire canon of Raimi's franchise.
For me personally SM3 Venom is the best because he is the only one out of all villains who made peter suffer and he acomplished the goal the others couldnt, i like his more realistic proportions than a bodybuilder and the ultimate elements on venom being more of a creature are nice to. I feel like too many dont open their eyes to this hidden gem and he deserves more love. As a Venom fan who read the comics and knows a lot of stuff about Venom to me Topher Grace is the best adaptation so far and Tom Hardy is too far from being good compared to Topher. I hope he returns since we are in the multiverse saga now and prob kick Tom Hardy's ass and take the name of Venom for himself.
Bro, I agree with everything you just said. Finally someone actually sees the good things about venom in Sm 3. And yes I do think venom in Sm 3 is the best one. They just made his venom so menacing and actually manages to make Peter suffer. The motivation is great, the design of venom is very unique and cool, and I just love this venom. This venom isn’t perfect by any means, but this venom is still very awesome.
I didn’t realize something til I noticed it after a few watches for spider man 3 it seems like Mac garden & Eddie Brock where merge together to create the venom for spider man 3 so lately I like to dubbed VenoScorp
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What I enjoy about Raimi's Venom is that Eddie's grudge against Spidey were genuinely a result of Peter's callousness, as opposed to Comics Eddie, who simply found himself betting on the wrong horse during the Sin Eater debacle and wrongfully deflected blame onto Spidey.
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Raimis Venom gained majority of it’s inspiration from the 1994 Spider-Man TAS. Which doesn’t follow the comic book origin of the symbiote and venom, which actually turned out to be a great idea.
@@wyattlundrigan4740 ironically i think this is why the movie didint work. the eddie brock on the show had reasonable motivations to hate spider-man. even tho spider-man was doing the right thing his efforts to help did stymie eddie's career while he was doing legitimate and then foiling a few poorly thought out revenge schemes in which he was either a major or supporting part. this worked because it allowed eddie lots of episodes to develop making his motivations easier to grasp and cut a bit deeper. whereas the movie well better left unsaid
Me too he was always been my favorite bad guy and I was expecting him to make his return in no way home, but never had. But hopefully he might appear next year for the next Venom movie incases there’s further consequences because you may not know when his back is turned.
Willem Dafoe was perfect as Green Goblin, in seconds he goes from Norman to a psychopath who really shows how Green Goblin is the Joker to Spider-Man’s Batman. He’s honestly up there with my favorite movie villains of all time behind Thanos and of course Darth Vader
Though in terms of design, that easily goes to Mysterio, that suit is sick, and the fact they not only kept the fishbowl, but made it work is something I commend them for
exactly my thoughts
I much i hate Mysterio being another ex stark employee that has beef with Tony.
His design and character were great. Just wished he wasn't another ex stark employee.
I think Goblin is the best villain in the entire MCU. Most of their villains we are told to relate to or understand their motives which is good writing but sometimes I just wanna see a vindictive psychopath who just enjoys chaos.
Willem Dafoe Green Goblin and Alfred Molina Dr Octopus are the GOATs
You know, they are something of a scientists themselves.
This is a fact not an opinion
Everyone knows Spider-Man's greatest villain is the writers.
No, it's Avi Arad
#AviAradOut
I think that MCU Mac Gargan should become the Scorpion, fight Black Suit Spider-Man, bond with the symbiote when Peter abandons it, and become the Venom of the MCU. This would allow the MCU to have its own distinct version of Venom and pay tribute to Gargan's stint as Venom in the comics.
100%
I don’t really like when Scorpion was Venom but I think this a great idea
Yes!
I still feel like Gargon probably gonna be symbiote scorpion. I’d rather see him as a mutated monstrosity version rather than his comic costume version.
I'm afraid that we won't finally see him. He would have been a good Scorpion/Venom because Michael Mando is a great actor and he knows how to intimidate
Ok holy sh*t your pitch for bringing back Mysterio sold me. I love the character but I was kinda against bringing him back… but man what you described is the perfect way to do it. Plus it would be really cool to have Mysterio be MCU Spidey’s recurring arch nemesis
I knew nothing of your channel going into this video, but I’m so happily surprised to see another person as in-love with Mysterio as I am. Literally my favorite comic book villain of all time and I think the MCU adaptation does such a brilliant job of modernizing the character and maintaining every aspect of Quentin Beck’s character traits and the qualities of his that make him Spider-Man’s best villain
I feel Miguel is a lot more fucked up than a lot of people acknowledge. He hid the death of the other Miles (edit: I meant the other Miguel), denying an innocent man a proper burial and deceiving his family into thinking he’s their loved one.
Also I absolutely agree with you on Mysterio. The fun thing about Mysterio to me is that, if you really think about it, he’s the one villain Marvel _cannot_ kill. Quentin Beck may have been the one pulling the strings but he had an entire team behind him, a team that’s still out there and still has the tech they need to recreate him. Unless literally every single member of his crew gets wiped, Mysterio still lives.
He did all of that only to be proven wrong in the same movie but he doesn't top Goblin for me or even makes my top 10 because at the end of the day he is still a spiderman
Wait, wait, when was there ever a mention of Miguel hiding the death of the other Miles and denying him proper burial?
@@AnDrei-nf5jb i think they meant other Miguel
@@jefferyandbob3137 Which Miguel is it then?
@@AnDrei-nf5jb The one from the universe that was erased because Miguel replaced the original after his death
Honestly not enough people talk about how much the MCU Spider-Man *nail* their villains. Vulture, Mysterio, and Green Goblin is such a good lineup as the main villain for the first Tom Holland trilogy and all of them are played and written extremely well
Well to be fair green goblin was a raimi villan but other than that yeah honestly
i dissagree because the vulture was never that special but was done on equal levels like the lizzard and mysterio i also never cared about but he was done DIRTY IN Spider man 2 (tom hollond)
Vulture was boring imo
I respect your opinion and I really enjoyed mysterio in FFH, but putting him above Dafoe’s Green Goblin and Molina’s Doc Ock is absolutely insane 😭
You forgot the biggest villain of all...
AVI ARAD
Ahh yes a threat that even Spider-Man can't stop
He could destroy Thanos. Lol
I applaud you for including that lady who refused to pay for her pizza! (Especially as someone who's worked in the service industry and been snuffed by multiple customers, AND as someone who lives close to New York City and can testify to just how fantastic New. York pizza is!)
I love how Mysterio was fully willing to paint the wall with a teens brains without the even hesitating.
I agree with Mysterio. He’s a very underrated villain and I feel like everyone forgot about him but he was pretty cool and VERY evil. Like all of Spider-Mans villains are evil but at least they have hearts but Mysterio did not have a heart at all. He wanted to lie to the whole world, cause destruction for no reason, and kill children. Now that’s a bad guy!
I think he was forgotten because then No way home comes out and brings back legendary villains and a new look for Electro
People shouldn't blame Marc Webb for the failure of TASM series
They should blame AVI ARAD for stuffing so many characters for the sake of toys sales
Same for Spiderman 3 since Sam Raimi didn’t want to include Venom because he didn’t really know the character at the time
Love this. Mysterio was absolutely my second favorite villain ever behind the Scarecrow. Both using illusions, fear, and insecurities to mess with whoever fights them. Both showing they are extremely intelligent even against powerhouses like Spidey or Bats
Bro same, scarecrow and mysterio are my 2 favorite comic villains. The way they both use mind games and illusions to mentally fuck with and break their heroes is so unique to other villains
I’ve come to appreciate tophers venom for what he was, I just don’t like that they kept peeling back the mask. Electro I just think is cool, and I’m including tasm 2. I think his theme is sick and think he has some of the coolest action scenes ever put to film for Spider-Man. I love how the Times Square scene is all about escalation; being in the wrong place at the wrong time, how circumstance affected the character and how Andrew’s Spider-Man tries calm the situation by remembering max as a person. For once Peter tried to do everything right and it still blew up in his face. Sometimes people just can’t be reasoned even when you try do everything right. That scene always facilitates, best scene in TASM 2 for me.
Crazy ranking but your defense of Mysterio as a villain convinced me i underrated NWH. Ur right, he wipes the floor with Peter with lies, a gun, and a grin on his face. galaxy brained
I remember seeing a theory that when Electro got “uploaded” in ASM2, he gained access to the internet and learned Peter’s identity
A stretch but I like the explanation
In NWH when he describes the events leading to his death he has a throw away line about “absorbing data” which I assume is the quick explanation for why he knows the information that Peter is Spidey. Later in the movie is him seeing Peter’s unmasked face for the first time “you got a nice face you’re just a kid… I thought you were gonna be Black”
Not gonna lie I’m very disappointed JJ isn’t number 1 on this list
People like to trash on some MCU design choices for their characters but man they nailed every single major Spider-Man villain down, from Vulture to Mysterio and even Shoker, also making William's goblin use the hood and the so needed redesign for Electro, I just love them all design-wise
Their was at least reasoning behind Lizard wanting to turn everyone into Lizards in TASM. He basically wanted to evolve humans to be stronger and with him growing insane from turning into Lizard he took drastic measures.
Prematurely ranking J Jonah Jamenson at 1. No questions asked.
TH-cam started auto replaying this video randomly and I'm glad it did because hot dang I completely missed characters were in movies until I saw this again.
You ruined my day with this video, the fact Bully Maguire wasn’t number 1 ruined my whole day. I’m gonna put some dirt in your eye.
I 100% agree to your thoughts on Raimi's Venom. He's the evil Spider-man. There is no Lethal Protector about him(although I like Tom Hardy's Venom better)
i really do hope we get to see prowler and scorpion in spider-man 4
I'd like to see both of them working for the Kingpin.
Either way, they can’t wait to see that. Hopefully they’ll remember that just by doing research first and then production later.
Can't wait to see where Bonesaw ranks
Number 1
Spider-Man 3 is my childhood film since I was little I always loved Sandman and this Venom, it surprised me growing up to see that in reality many people hate it.I always liked his design resembling Spider-Man's costume in Maleficent.s When I was little with my twin brother we called him ''The Evil Spider-Man'' I always liked this concept of a mirror Spider-Man, I think it's the role that best suits Venom rather than a giant black Alien who plays the clown
Good list my Mysterio is awesome and he's very comic accurate
Electro heard Gwen call Spidey "Peter" by mistake so he does no Spiderman's name is Peter which does kind of qualify him to get picked up by Dr Stranges spell.
I love how vultures gang is exactly like a regular workplace but they sell illegal alien technology
Electro, not only connected himself to everything to possibly be able to learn who Peter is, but heard Gwen yelling Peter’s name. That would explain how he didn’t know that Peter was white until he took the mask off.
Never really understood that take on venom until you explained it. Great video.
6:47 The best thing I can say about his design in TASM 2 is that he looks like a rejected, K-pop star.
7:01 The thing about The Rhino is that he has also been a little over-the-top (which isn't inherently bad) but in TASM 2 he is just cracked up to 11. All the cartoons have nothing on the level of cartoonishness that this Rhino is.
12:22 That is noteworthy since the Scorpion was always a buffed-up character since in pretty much every version it is clearly established that The Scorpion is more powerful than Spider-Man (because of course, Scorpions eat spiders).
13:14 Tombstone being Kingpin's right-hand man in Into The Spider-Verse reminds me of the very complicated rights issues that happened with the Kingpin behind the scenes (because while Kingpin is a Spider-Man villain he is also Daredevil's arch-nemesis so for a time it was unclear whether he was solely a Daredevil character or a Daredevil and Spider-Man character when rights were concerned) which lead to Tombstone in Spectacular Spider-Man (speaking of complicated rights issues) basically being the Kingpin because at that point the Kingpin (when rights were concerned) as purely a Daredevil character so they had to have a substitution. That of course isn't the case anymore since he was in Into the Spider-Verse but whenever someone talks about Tombstone being a henchman of the Kingpin (or when he is one) I can't help but get reminded of that. Now this isn't a bad thing but it is just something I wanted to bring up. Also bringing up Daredevil and Spider-Man reminds me of how I think Zeb Wells and Nick Lowe seem to be mixing up Spider-Man and Daredevil (and that is me being very generous, cough cough Paul). Basically, the big difference between these two characters is that Spider-Man can lose and sometimes does but his life is supposed to be realistic, not shitty (even though a realistic life has shitty moments) while Daredevil is Marvel's greatest loser (and I mean that in the best way possible) and those are the reasons why both are great characters but they are the same characters. I could explain why Daredevil is Marvel's greatest loser but I found a video that already explained it better than I could so here is a link to it: th-cam.com/video/EwtQfRqc0zs/w-d-xo.html
26:37 There were some deleted scenes that expanded on that but sadly those were, of course, deleted.
How is Peter B not on the list? He was literally suicidal in ITSV, Miles inspired him to clean his life up and have a child, only to drink Miguel's Kool-Aid and not have Miles' back in ATSV?
mysterio at #1 is nasty work
Mysterio at 1 !?!?
Mysterio got the generic twist villan treatment and his comic appearances are MID. even tasm2 GREEN GOBLIN was better.
14:05 a nice touch that he perks up at the mention of gravity boots
Wow I was def surprised by your ranking! I think you might of moved mysterio a few spots up for me! My top 5
1. Green goblin
2. Homecoming vulture
3. Doc ock
4. Prowler
5. Mysterio
Good ranking 👍
It would make sense that spider-verse scorpion is cartoony, cause, yknow
Green Goblin spectacular Spider-Man still goated so I think it should include shows as well
Electro probably is a different version but in No Way Home, but he actually doesnt know who Spiderman is. There's a scene at the end where Garfield takes off his mask and they make a joke that Electro thought he'd be black. Honestly i think it's just a plothole that "everyone who knows peter parker is spiderman is coming to the MCU" and this version of Electro actually didn't
Props to pup for animating the discussion. I want to do that too.
nacho vargo as the 29th place, nice
Main villians
24. Rhino
23. Shocker 2
22 Shocker 1
21. Riot
20.. Millo
19. Tasm2 goblin
18. Lizard nwh
17. Sandman nwh
16. Electro tasm2
15. Venom
14. New goblin
13. Carnage
12. Doc ock nwh
11. Electro nwh
10. Lizard
9. Sandman
8. The spot
7. Prowler
6. Kingpin
5. Doc ock
4. Vulture
3. Mystero
2. Green goblin nwh
1. Green goblin
Absolutely love spiderman like top to bottom but green goblin, Doc Ock, and Vulture are the best villains spiderman has had in live action
I completely agree that mysterio of one of the most important as far as pushing the story forward but is still say Norman was more important ruining 2 different spiderman from 2 different universes… that’s kinda untouchable
renaissance vulture from Across the Spider-Verse is one of my favs for the line delivery and the hammerspace ability
The best spider man villain is venom
I heavily agree with Mysterio as your number one, he’s technically the most comic accurate Spiderman villain both in design and character..
I would never truly realize that if I haven’t watched this video.
Before I watched this video, I was questioning how are there 38 when the best I cud count was 25 or 26. Then you picked the pizza lady at last place lmao. I see this list also has villains who were set ups or just minions.
I fully disagree with this ranking because of how high Mysterio is and I really think Shriek shud be lower than Tombstone or others
Green Goblin not getting number 1 is absolutely criminal he is the best Spiderman Villain and No way home just proved his supremacy. Mysterio is definitely 2 or 3 material and I flat out hated Far from home as a Spiderman movie for a long time but Mysterio was easily the best part of this movie but he is not topping Willem Dafoe
Peter “you took everything from me”
Mysterio “I don’t even know who you are”
Heres my ranking from best to worst:
1. Green Goblin
2. Mysterio
3. Doc Ock
4. The Spot
5. Kingpin
6. Spiderman 2099
7. Bully Maguire/Emo Parker
8. Vulture
9. Sandman
10. Prowler
11. MCU J. Jonah Jameson
12. Dennis Carradine
13. Olivia Octavious
14. Electro
15. Venom (from Spiderman 3)
16. Dane Dehaans Green Goblin
17. Harry Osborn New Goblin
18. Lizard
19. Donald Menken
20. Both Shockers
21. The Elementals
22. Rhino
HM goes to that desk lady who wouldn't even cut Pete slack for running late with the pizzas.
Friend accept, 2099 is only Antagonist
Pup will you make a video on Mario wonder ?
Wirhout even watching, my prediction fir the top 5 are:
1. Raimi Goblin
2. Raimi Doc Oc
3. Carnage
4. MCU Vulture
5. The dude who would not pay Raimi Peter his 3 grand.
I think that Alfred Molina's Doc Oc is top with Willem Dafoe second. Kathryn Hahn is a great villain as well.
To be fair, they could have Matt Gorgon become the MCU’s version of venom, since he was the host for the same be out for a good while in the comics and it would be an unexpected choice
Amazing video as always!! Also man the ending always has me cracking up when ya scream mate 😂😂😂 never change dude
I've been saying for years, "Any villain can be cool with a good enough writer." People usually responded with, "Yeah, sure😒." Well, here we are now, and Spot is seen as a cool character, so who's laughing now kids?
You forgot about Bernard Houseman - the real villain of the Raimi trilogy.
Very cool
You missed JJJ
32:16
Dude. DUDE. HE WAS GONNA GAME END THE KID IN A SPIDER MAN COSTUME UNTIL HE HAPPENED TO BE KILOMETERS MORALS, DUUUUUDE!
Fun fact: Dr. Ratha from TASM1 was originally going to turn into the Proto Goblin before script changes cut most of his scenes from the movie in favor of more Lizard scenes.
Thanks for telling and showing ❤😊 you and your videos are awesome and amazing 😊❤️👏👌🙌🫶👍
Riva is responsible for the drones until he sent the alternate footage to the bugle net and blame it on Peter Parker
2:53 She's a single mother mad that even the pizza boy has more freedom than her. How did Spiderman stay so cool when everything else went to the bin.
Thank you for putting the _'not paying of the pizzas'_ lady here (😄)! I personally am a fan of the whole idea of Norman Osborn _physically_ transforming into the Green Goblin (becoming a genuine *monster* in the _literal_ sense of the word as Norman is a _'monster'_ as a _human being_ already). Hence why I *wish* we'd get _more_ of the "Into the Spider-Verse" Goblin, but until then, I'll take what I can get (👍).
Carlton Drake drunkenly stumbled so Simon Krieger could run
That awkward moment when Pup says he tried the real Joe's pizza but there are like 5 or 6 different Joe's pizza spots all in different directions of NYC 😂
The one on Carmine Street that has the Spider-Man sign in it.
@@ChannelPup Ohhhh and thus I stand corrected. The one I tried was somewhere in Manhattan. It was banging, though.
Anyone who has seen Better Call Saul knows the potential that MCU Scorpion has if they do him right. (Or at all)
The mystiro illusion Sean was peak
My personal favorite Spidey villains are Green goblin,Doc Ock,Venom,Carnage and Black cat😈still my favorites
Sweet intro
23:17 he uses those toilets that spray water
While it's likely beck if brought back forgot who Peter was, he still framed him for the drones attacking London
DID isn't a personality disorder, and furthermore, is a form of complex PTSD developed in early childhood.
I finda it pretty cool how green goblin died with peter in the first spiderverse movie. The arch enemies dies together kinda poetic. And ig it can be argued that peters arch enemies are greengoblin venom or doc ock
46:01 You could even say he's hanging on to the other side...
Dude. Imagine. Black suit Spider-Man fights. Peter's blacked out. The symbiote is in control.
Goes as hard as the Super Sonic Frontiers fights. Dude could be beating the living daylights out of Rhino set to metal music. It'd be top tier.
@@ChannelPup Am pretty sure you forgot the airplane diver from amazing Spider-Man 2!!!!!
Matt smith killed it and to me, he really didnt feel like a bad guy, morbius felt more like a jerk since he was gatekeeping the vampire power
The no way home writers just didn’t look too far into the tasm and Raimi movies. That’s why there are so many plot holes like them not knowing who Spider-Man is
we really need to see molten man, hydro man and cyclone as real spider-man villains for the movies and not allusions, and there's no point of seen sandman cause we do see him in spider-man 3 and spider-man: no way home
As for Doc Ock making a different choice after NWH... if I'm not mistaken, they get pulled into the MCU at the moment of them discovering Spidey's secret identity no? And... doesn't Otto only find out moments before he has to sacrifice himself? So... unfortunately the NWH version of him is still doomed.
Norman on the other hand is put into a an immensely interesting spot. The version of Spider-Man 1 that the reformed Goblin of NWH gets sent back to gets radically changed. It doesn't have even remotely the same third act. It loses its villain immediately after the Thanksgiving scene and instead becomes a movie about Peter and Harry having to help a Norman who's woefully depressed and going on about multiverse stuff after turning himself in for his crimes as the Goblin prior to his Thanksgiving revelation. The finale of the 2002 movie becomes one about Peter and Harry strengthening their friendship over admitting Harry's father to a mental institution, which then drastically changes how Spider-Man 3 can turn out since Harry is no longer wanting revenge and just... it's just such a fascinating upset to the entire canon of Raimi's franchise.
Mysterio....at one....cmon man. That movie was so boring.
I agree with most of this except Mysterio
you missed rhino
wtf is that intro 💀
Putting Mysterio over Green Goblin should be all but a sin.
31:06 And then when he sees Tobey Maguire he goes OK everyone who’s wearing a Spider-Man suit is on my side (mentally anyway)
I could name a few more spider-man villains but these are the main ones (Edit: Nevermind, I didn’t see “Movie” in the title)
For me personally SM3 Venom is the best because he is the only one out of all villains who made peter suffer and he acomplished the goal the others couldnt, i like his more realistic proportions than a bodybuilder and the ultimate elements on venom being more of a creature are nice to. I feel like too many dont open their eyes to this hidden gem and he deserves more love. As a Venom fan who read the comics and knows a lot of stuff about Venom to me Topher Grace is the best adaptation so far and Tom Hardy is too far from being good compared to Topher. I hope he returns since we are in the multiverse saga now and prob kick Tom Hardy's ass and take the name of Venom for himself.
Bro, I agree with everything you just said. Finally someone actually sees the good things about venom in Sm 3. And yes I do think venom in Sm 3 is the best one. They just made his venom so menacing and actually manages to make Peter suffer. The motivation is great, the design of venom is very unique and cool, and I just love this venom. This venom isn’t perfect by any means, but this venom is still very awesome.
I never knew nacho varga was a spiderman villan
the lizard is my favorite villan and I wish he was in rami spiderman
Your wrong it is the same Electro because he starts off blue in
No Way Home but the electricity from the MCU changes him into his new form
I didn’t realize something til I noticed it after a few watches for spider man 3 it seems like Mac garden & Eddie Brock where merge together to create the venom for spider man 3 so lately I like to dubbed VenoScorp
41:51 He still wears a goldfish bowl as a helmet!!!!!!!
You forgot Chameleon from no way home unless I missed it. Granted he wasn’t really a villain but dude was totally in that film.
Nah pup you gotta try some jersey pizza shit is bomb. Specifically jersey shore pizza, we got that good good
i wish i was a patron just to remind me of my father shouting at me
Father Pup exclaiming your name is a paid perk only I'm afraid, son.