They're using North American colours for the cables. Canada/USA/Some parts of Mexico. Black/Red/Blue - White - Green (L1,L2,L3,Neutral,CPC). Australia is Red/White/Blue - Black - Green. EU we all currently know as the standard used in BS7671:2018 and the old UK Standard of Red/Yellow/Blue are the two most common used across the rest of the world.
Have you considered getting a smaller diameter SDS bit to reduce the size of your blowout? Our walls for most homes being nowhere near as thick I have a 610mm (2’) by 9.5mm (3/8”) that I drill through with and then follow that up with 19mm (3/4) or larger depending on the cabling.
If you install more of these, don't put them anywhere they need to be weatherproof, especially if exposed to sunlight. It relies on the adhesive on the front panel label as part of the seal.
Mike, my unit has been out in all weathers and in direct sunlight for two years and the front label and adhesive is fine. We've never had a failure for that issue after thousands of units. Rgs Dan (Ohme)
Many of the Ohme units re supplied with type 2 or Commando plugs, so cable colours don't matter - not worth them buying a reel of brown/blue just for the hardwired version!
I’m not a massive fan of the extra junction box and all the cable that looks a bit untidy. But you done a lovely job with it tbf, nice angle drilling 👌🏼
I have seen green, yellow and red used too for 220v applications. Don't know which country the origin was but it was one of those cheap nasty import food serving trailers. All the ac wiring was jointed by twisting it together and tape too. The only thing that was good was the dual pole rcd's
The Chinese will make different products to meet the various safety standards around the world. I don't know what colours are used in China but the North American colours are certainly not used in India, Pakistan, Australia or New Zealand. I doubt they are used in Africa either. Products sold in the EU should meet EU product standards, this unit doesn't.
Black / White for USA and Canada. I'm in Australia and we use brown, blue, yellow/green for flexible cable, and red, black, green/yellow (all insulated) for building fixed cabling. Our Aus standard recognises ISO colours for fixed wiring.
I've fitted ohme chargers. So simple. I still used an earth rod as the unit was installed 5 to 6m away from the property. I mounted the ev charger onto a railway sleeper which was mounted vertically into the ground. All connections were hidden on the back of the sleeper and only the charger and lead was visible. The rod was rammed into the soil near the charger.
Installed one at the weekend (well my sparky did) with a Matt:E PEN unit. Got the Ohme via Octopus for £199 with a 32a commando on it and simply removed that and wired it through a Wiska box. Neat and simple install and it’s round the side of the house so less worried about the aesthetics.. cost me £360 plus a few beers for a my sparky mate so great value! Nice app that works out the best half hour slots of the day to charge based on the rates. Just tell it how much charge/mileage you want and let it do the rest.
Interesting, I wonder if the cheaper commando version has all the same features as the hard wired version, such as the RCD protection built in. I’m guessing it doesn’t. Must be a reason why it’s so much cheaper.
Did that cupboard door to the side still open with the charger in the holster? If that was their bin store can see the type 2 head getting damaged. The Ohme is a good price with Octopus but yuk, having all that right by the front door. Looks like a granny charger screwed to the wall! I couldn’t be doing with the consumer units taking pride of place in my hall!
Hi Jordan - are you a fan of Drain Addict - Ollie and Ratty? You seem to be saying ‘All good’ more and more - just need the swinging arms when you walk from the van :-)
One thing with this charger, don't recommend it to people living in crap signal areas it has been known to drop out and not charge (think the old E7 radio tele-switches). In which case you're better off with any other charger, a contactor and timer with an over-ride/boost function if you're looking for it to marry up to the tariff.
A pity that the meter box was where it was otherwise you could have mounted the ohme on the nib wall and run the cable straight through without a joint box. Good job!
Hey dude, you used a 4mm core cable on this job, assume that's because it was only the EV charger hanging off the end? 4mm core won't cut the mustard for hanging an EV charger from if garage lights and sockets are on it too right? Love the EV install vids BTW!
I love you use the Rolec tester but never the Rolec EV unit 😃 never had a problem with the Rolec myself did you suggest surge unit instal at the same time? Like the ease of the unit but all those wires at the front door is the only downside ( nice vid ) 👍
More broadly it uses the North American color code. Here is North America: Black = phase 1 or L1 (split phase), Red = phase 2 or L2, Blue = phase 3, White = Neutral, Green/Bare = CPC(Earth, ground, etc.) I wish we used the European code everyone else in the world uses it were are the only ones that don't. I know that other countries have mixed codes are a migration occurs.
@@jeffreypolley7456 Not everyone... de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niederspannungsnetz#Farbgebung Translated list: European Union Germany Switzerland Austria France United Kingdom United States Canada Australia and New Zealand China The list also contains older wire colours, marked with the [*2].
Can you provide details how you terminate the SWA ensuring that the armouring is isolated from the earth - you mention a compression fitting? Many thanks.
I wouldn't fit one, be interesting to see their reasoning for not using the correct cable colours for the market they are selling into and if the cable itself is actually compliant for sale in this country.
I have a Chargemaster 7kW EV charger installed in feb 2017, as it was free with the Leaf I bought then. I haven't actually used it in a couple of years as the leaf went back in feb 2019, but have recently bought a Zoe. Is this PEN fault detection requirement a new thing? I don't have an external earth spike or a PEN fault device on my install, and am kind of wondering if I should get it retrofitted. After watching your vids I kind of feel like I should be replacing it with a Zappi but obviously I am not eligible for the OLEV grant, and if I were to pay for a Zappi it seems like I should get it as a 2nd charger for when we replace our other car. (although, I have a 60A main fuse so that probably wouldn't work too well!)
@Ellis The DJ red is our second phase color in Canada it is blue we use that as a third phase color. From neutral to anyone color you would get a 120 unless you were in a 3-phase building and then you would get between phases usually 240 volts depending on standard.
Hey Jordan, I like the style of your videos! Can you try to use a lavalier mic (the small ones which are attached to the shirt) and turn up the volume a little? Especially on mobile devices it's sometimes hard to understand a word... But otherwise great content, keep rollin'!!!!
Nice, neat installation. Not keen how the charge plug is holstered when not in use though and that's how the manufacturer has designed it but just my thoughts.
Doesn't look a as neat asthe zappi and that other one you did last week. Cable looks amateurish just hanging on that bracket. Did you feel the same when installing? Almost makes your workmanship appear visually poor when it isn't seeing that as the end product. Thoughts ?
Great vid jordan, just wondering if you could do a short video on when you are drilling through walls for cables as you always seem to get it bang on :)
@@sajjadfozi5097 www.replenishh.com/garo-g8ev40pmeb-mcu-40amp-type-b-rcbo-pme-fault-det-connection-unit-65-3764 Not sure how much the Viridian one is but they aren’t cheap
So how is the security?, Can you turn off the unit using the outside display box or just switch the RCD off, does that reset the device causing issues? If switching the RCD works then how to stop low life cutting the cable for copper?
Great informative video, thanks for sharing. At 15:30 where did you get the plastic busbar cover from? Is is specifically for that DB or a generic strip that can be purchased?
@@mikeselectricstuff Labels can get lost and its clear Jordan wasn't familiar with the American colours. Since black was used for neutral in the old British standard (still used in some ex-colonies) without the label even a competent installer might connect the black to neutral and the white to live.
Hi, which one would u recommend Ohme or Hypervolt? Criterias being cost of installation, savings on electricity. I am planning to get Honda E and already have Octopus connection. Feel free to recommend any other one if u think is better. That gives me idea, u should make a video to compare few of them :D
Hi guys Find your vids just superb superb superb. You know what you're doing. I live in North London. Can you do an EV charging unit installation for me ? Also having solar panels installed in October 2021 but getting my Tesla 3 on 21st of June 2021.
If the breaker in the PEN device is 40A, why is the MCB from the main CU only a 32A? Isn’t this a bit low if the EV charger is pulling 32A over a long period?
Where does the Data cable connect in the DB? Also in instead of a junction box in Ireland they have to have local isolation, so therefore its and isolator
Do you know if a similar install could be done with the OHME commando style charger? IE fit a pen fault unit to the consumer box and connect this to a commando socket. Then then OHMI can connect straight into the commando socket?
I just removed the commando plug off mine and wired it through a Wiska box - unless you want to keep/use a 32a connector for some reason its just more unnecessary ugliness on the outside of the house. If you use this PEN device you can connect straight to the tails - no need to go trough the CU. www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/products/4873098-single-phase-voltage-monitoring-and-protection-unit-with-type-a-rcbo
Great video - very interesting. So if I were to run an Ohme from a 32A commando protected by 40A MCB and suitable RCD, and the unit is in my garage, is an earth rod or PEN device still required? Are you able to provide a link to the consumer unit with PEN device please?
Smets 2 meters 4 or 5 port have the ability to have multiple tariff switches although we're being told they will be standardised rather than the old church hall agreed changes so ev chargers should definitely take advantage of the option to charge at the cheapest rate if not they will cost customers more than necessary.
Why not put in a 32 cee outlet and put on a 32 cee plug on the ev charger. it might even make it so you don't need the PEN-fault protection device. Not 100% on that because we are almost 100% TT here in Belgium
Still required. You get the PEN by the DNO, the network operator. So you would have the same problem, no matter what you connect in between. The PEN is splitted in the service entrance box into a separate PE and N. If this PEN breaks, for example they damage the PEN during construction work on the street with an excavator, you'll get a massive problem. All metal surfaces, including the car, would become live at mains voltage. Here in Germany it's mandatory to have an earth electrode installed in your house, even in a TN-C-S system. That would solve the problem partially. The other solution is, we got three-phase in residentials. That is making it much easier for the chargers to detect problems, easier than it is in a single phase installation. In a three-phase system you got more reference points to detect a problem like a broken PEN. The voltage between every L and N should be 230V and 400V between the lines. If the PEN breaks the voltage between the line and the neutral (actually PEN) will float around between 0 and 400V, depending on the resistance of the connected appliances. But the voltage between the lines itself is still 400V. In three phase you got more usable reference points, in single phase you don't have that. You got 230V between two conductors, and so you can't detect if one of them failed...except you install an earth electrode and use that as a reference, but in that case you can also disconnect the PE supplied by the DNO and create a small TT installation. In that case the smallest appliances (by their demand), for example TVs, Radio and such things will be roasted by a surge up to 400V. Larger appliances like electric heaters will remain intact in most cases, because they'll only "see" a small voltage in the range of 1 or 2V.
@@Marcel_Germann I can't imagine having to install a pen-fault detection device when installing an outside socket which a cee socket would be. Hence it might be a way to get around the requirement for one. I get why it needs to be there though.
@@florisvdk The interesting thing is, this PEN fault detection is only required for EV chargers. I don't require that, even if I have a TN-C-S system here. My house got an earth electrode and the EV charger is a three-phase one.
Question for you electricians, when mounting a TV on the wall, can you hide the power cable in the stud wall? Along with HDMI cables etc, or do you not a socket being put in behind the TV?
Hello Joe, Google search "internal powerpoint tv mount". It is a recessed powerpoint enclosure, which can be mounted behind the TV. That is what we use in Australia for installs.
Yes , I do recommend trying to separate your video and data cables from your power cables this is usually done by going down one joist for one set in the other Joyce for the other.
The 5x test will be shoving ~150mA along the CPC - the PEN fault device will be seeing that with the coil it has on the CPC, but it can't tell if that's coming from the device or going to it - I guess therefore it looks like a possible fault to it so it triggers...
As I said before: Install a Mennekes Amtron Wallbox... Those have EVERYTHING build into one and you get your device from those who developed the Type-2 plug everyone uses ☺️
Is be asking the company why they are using an obscure colour code. America uses that but nowhere else. and having done electrical wiring in America I wouldn't be convinced that cable is suitably rated
I think that the junction box looks bad could use not be made of the meter box to locate new consumer /pen fault unit in . Then it would have been nicer looking
Just had one installed - the charger itself is great, but is only fully intelligent if you're connecting a car from a manufacturer whose API they can interface with, otherwise you have to tell it what % you want to add. As for trying to register and swap between 2 cars in the app or have 2 phones/apps - it's clearly not setup with that in mind. Charger great, app and website... disappointing (but I'm sure they'll improve the app).
I'm surprised to see North American colouring in a product being sold in the UK we occasionally yet UK wiring over here and it takes a second to remember how to wire it up but in general it seems a lot of the stuff is pretty Universal if it's built to be
In the US green is ground, white or grey is neutral, everything else is live. Both brown and blue would get connected to live. Which interestingly would probably be the case anyway. (We connect to two different phases for 220v)
@@b2gills i believe you have both ends of the transformer wiring at 220v then the neutral is a centre tap to the transformer. Giving 120vac between neutral and each phase. This is all from what i have learned from youtube 🤣
@@Liberator975 Exactly. But you wouldn't use neutral for a permanently wired charger. Which would mean that the two wires used for power would be live wires. Blue and brown are valid colors for llive wires. (Normally you would use black then red then blue then other colors.) By using both phases, you get twice the power for a given amperage cable. Which is why electric ovens don't typically use neutral. And it's also why hard wired car chargers don't use neutral. (I'm using phases loosely because they can either be two phases out of three, or opposite polarities of a single phase. Either way it would be wired the same with roughly the same voltage/power.)
I am guessing that a person that buys an electric car automatically has a charger installed, when really some people might not need one. As example, I looked at a Kia, on a 13amp plug it took about 24hrs to fully charge, had a range of about 260 miles, my car sits in the garage most of the week, as I am in the van mostly, so people that don't use a car much could leave it plugged and save themselves a good chunk of money. Just an observation.
I think the charger unit looks absolutely awful and the install sort of compounds it and makes it look like a right snakes wedding. Could you have not passed the charger supply tails through the meter cupboard and used a small JB mounted in the cupboard (and possibly even put the PEN breaker box in there too) and then take the supply from the consumer unit as demonstrated and then ( in the cleanest run possible)into the meter cupboard for termination either in the JB/PEN unit?
If a homeowner has an EICR undertaken, does the report and/or the result become public knowledge (like a FENSA certificate)? Or is it simply for the homeowner's information?
Yes, you need to be using someone like octopus energy , bulb, or any of the other companies that have a variable rate tariff. To get on one of these tariffs, you will need a smart meter installed, and some of the older smart meters may not be compatible with your new supplier. The smart meter issue is a bit of a minefield, but if you don't have one currently, you can select a supplier that installs smart meters and get on their waiting list.
Good morning this is Michael from Amsterdam Holland why didn't you fix the charger in the spot of your Junction Box then you can feed the one and 1/2 metre wire true wal?.. directly in the switch...?
@@artisanelectrics Hello again him a mechanical engineer from Amsterdam and have the same problems day after day I think you do a good job and I really like your chel and you're very clear in your explanation
Request a quote from Artisan Electrics here - app.openquote.net/company/artisanelectrics
BTW if you want to know more about the Ohme - I took one apart : th-cam.com/video/O58KT117crs/w-d-xo.html
They're using North American colours for the cables. Canada/USA/Some parts of Mexico. Black/Red/Blue - White - Green (L1,L2,L3,Neutral,CPC).
Australia is Red/White/Blue - Black - Green.
EU we all currently know as the standard used in BS7671:2018 and the old UK Standard of Red/Yellow/Blue are the two most common used across the rest of the world.
Have you considered getting a smaller diameter SDS bit to reduce the size of your blowout? Our walls for most homes being nowhere near as thick I have a 610mm (2’) by 9.5mm (3/8”) that I drill through with and then follow that up with 19mm (3/4) or larger depending on the cabling.
If you install more of these, don't put them anywhere they need to be weatherproof, especially if exposed to sunlight. It relies on the adhesive on the front panel label as part of the seal.
Mike, my unit has been out in all weathers and in direct sunlight for two years and the front label and adhesive is fine. We've never had a failure for that issue after thousands of units. Rgs Dan (Ohme)
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Seems a pointless product, as the majority will be installed in locations you said they are not suitable for
Mike has done teardown of the same housing, check his channel 👍
Many of the Ohme units re supplied with type 2 or Commando plugs, so cable colours don't matter - not worth them buying a reel of brown/blue just for the hardwired version!
I’m not a massive fan of the extra junction box and all the cable that looks a bit untidy. But you done a lovely job with it tbf, nice angle drilling 👌🏼
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US Colours will be due to the Chinese manufacturer - I think black/white is standard everywhere except Europe.
Not our colors for a 240 V circuit. Hook those colors up in your load center and you’ll get a whopping 120 V, so you’ll be trickle charging your EV. 😜
I have seen green, yellow and red used too for 220v applications. Don't know which country the origin was but it was one of those cheap nasty import food serving trailers. All the ac wiring was jointed by twisting it together and tape too. The only thing that was good was the dual pole rcd's
The Chinese will make different products to meet the various safety standards around the world. I don't know what colours are used in China but the North American colours are certainly not used in India, Pakistan, Australia or New Zealand. I doubt they are used in Africa either.
Products sold in the EU should meet EU product standards, this unit doesn't.
Wikipedia has a great article on wire coloring codes and countries. They must have gotten a really good deal on that color patterned wire.
Black / White for USA and Canada. I'm in Australia and we use brown, blue, yellow/green for flexible cable, and red, black, green/yellow (all insulated) for building fixed cabling. Our Aus standard recognises ISO colours for fixed wiring.
US wiring colors:
Phase 1 - Black, Phase 2 - Red, Phase 3 - Blue, Neutral - White, Ground - Green
Nice install shame the flex off the charger doesn’t come a little longer to take direct to the PEN device.
I've fitted ohme chargers. So simple. I still used an earth rod as the unit was installed 5 to 6m away from the property. I mounted the ev charger onto a railway sleeper which was mounted vertically into the ground. All connections were hidden on the back of the sleeper and only the charger and lead was visible. The rod was rammed into the soil near the charger.
Installed one at the weekend (well my sparky did) with a Matt:E PEN unit. Got the Ohme via Octopus for £199 with a 32a commando on it and simply removed that and wired it through a Wiska box. Neat and simple install and it’s round the side of the house so less worried about the aesthetics.. cost me £360 plus a few beers for a my sparky mate so great value!
Nice app that works out the best half hour slots of the day to charge based on the rates. Just tell it how much charge/mileage you want and let it do the rest.
Interesting, I wonder if the cheaper commando version has all the same features as the hard wired version, such as the RCD protection built in. I’m guessing it doesn’t. Must be a reason why it’s so much cheaper.
@@artisanelectrics they should be £399 but you can get them half price if you are an octopus energy customer
@@artisanelectrics yep, exactly the same.. normally £400 but £199 if you have an octopus account.
@@artisanelectrics It is identical and does include the DC RCD. The lower price is a promotional deal via Octopus
I’ve seen a few people do this either with pen detection or earth rod. Loads cheaper than the Government Grant option.
Liking the new improvement up to 4K video. Much appreciated, Jordan.
nice to see the old trusty terminal block is alive and kicking LONG LIVE THE TERMINAL BLOCK
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Did that cupboard door to the side still open with the charger in the holster? If that was their bin store can see the type 2 head getting damaged. The Ohme is a good price with Octopus but yuk, having all that right by the front door. Looks like a granny charger screwed to the wall! I couldn’t be doing with the consumer units taking pride of place in my hall!
Hi Jordan - are you a fan of Drain Addict - Ollie and Ratty? You seem to be saying ‘All good’ more and more - just need the swinging arms when you walk from the van :-)
Why do I find these so interesting to watch :) Feel like a career change.
AMAZING job! Look perfect when you drill holes. Good measure lucky! I see that the Ohme charger looks nice. Awesome cleanup... BIG Thumb up!!!! Cheer!
Thanks John
Thanks Jordan. Really help. Always informative. Please keep uploading more helpful videos.
One thing with this charger, don't recommend it to people living in crap signal areas it has been known to drop out and not charge (think the old E7 radio tele-switches). In which case you're better off with any other charger, a contactor and timer with an over-ride/boost function if you're looking for it to marry up to the tariff.
A pity that the meter box was where it was otherwise you could have mounted the ohme on the nib wall and run the cable straight through without a joint box. Good job!
Great Video - If it senses cheap/night/economy7 etc - will the consumer have to apply for a dual rate tariff with their supplier?
I agree ! Those are US 110 ac volt colors on the input wires
Black white and green is the US colour code, you’ll come across is a lot in oil and gas because they influence equipment a lot.
Hey dude, you used a 4mm core cable on this job, assume that's because it was only the EV charger hanging off the end? 4mm core won't cut the mustard for hanging an EV charger from if garage lights and sockets are on it too right? Love the EV install vids BTW!
I love you use the Rolec tester but never the Rolec EV unit 😃 never had a problem with the Rolec myself did you suggest surge unit instal at the same time? Like the ease of the unit but all those wires at the front door is the only downside ( nice vid ) 👍
They are USA wiring colour on the ohm charger
More broadly it uses the North American color code. Here is North America: Black = phase 1 or L1 (split phase), Red = phase 2 or L2, Blue = phase 3, White = Neutral, Green/Bare = CPC(Earth, ground, etc.) I wish we used the European code everyone else in the world uses it were are the only ones that don't. I know that other countries have mixed codes are a migration occurs.
@@jeffreypolley7456 Not everyone...
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niederspannungsnetz#Farbgebung
Translated list:
European Union
Germany
Switzerland
Austria
France
United Kingdom
United States
Canada
Australia and New Zealand
China
The list also contains older wire colours, marked with the [*2].
U.s. color code for 120 not 240. Would slightly be non-standard with the white being used untagged.
@@imark7777777 isn't 240 usually between a split phase system. With 220v being 2 legs and the neutral is a centre tap
Can you provide details how you terminate the SWA ensuring that the armouring is isolated from the earth - you mention a compression fitting? Many thanks.
I wouldn't fit one, be interesting to see their reasoning for not using the correct cable colours for the market they are selling into and if the cable itself is actually compliant for sale in this country.
Hi
There doesn't seem to be any CT clamp installed with this so how has protection to main fuse been achieved?
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I have a Chargemaster 7kW EV charger installed in feb 2017, as it was free with the Leaf I bought then. I haven't actually used it in a couple of years as the leaf went back in feb 2019, but have recently bought a Zoe.
Is this PEN fault detection requirement a new thing? I don't have an external earth spike or a PEN fault device on my install, and am kind of wondering if I should get it retrofitted. After watching your vids I kind of feel like I should be replacing it with a Zappi but obviously I am not eligible for the OLEV grant, and if I were to pay for a Zappi it seems like I should get it as a 2nd charger for when we replace our other car. (although, I have a 60A main fuse so that probably wouldn't work too well!)
the wire with the white black and green is from the us.
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@Ellis The DJ red is our second phase color in Canada it is blue we use that as a third phase color.
From neutral to anyone color you would get a 120 unless you were in a 3-phase building and then you would get between phases usually 240 volts depending on standard.
Hey Jordan,
I like the style of your videos!
Can you try to use a lavalier mic (the small ones which are attached to the shirt) and turn up the volume a little?
Especially on mobile devices it's sometimes hard to understand a word...
But otherwise great content, keep rollin'!!!!
Noted! I do use a lavalier mic but it may not have been working properly
Nice, neat installation. Not keen how the charge plug is holstered when not in use though and that's how the manufacturer has designed it but just my thoughts.
♡ Love it Very Sturdy.
You are the pro at drilling.
Haha thanks
Hi,
Where can you get the Viridian Pen Fault device from? Can’t seem to find the complete unit on their website?
Black/white/green is the standard colors for cabling in north America
Doesn't look a as neat asthe zappi and that other one you did last week.
Cable looks amateurish just hanging on that bracket.
Did you feel the same when installing?
Almost makes your workmanship appear visually poor when it isn't seeing that as the end product. Thoughts ?
Great,useful video...
what would you recommend as temporary portable charger as the car is at least 8m from the house??
Black/White/Green is American (USA) domestic single phase colours
I think those colours are used in USA. Are these worth putting shrink sleeve on in uk colours?
I’m not an electrician but interested to know.
I hope Ohme gets bought over by MyEnergi!!!! because if they could put all the smart tech in Ohme into a Zappi!!! Well now your talking!!!
Zappi now supports Octopus Agile tariff through the MyEnergi web portal.
Depends which is the bigger company, ohme is part of another company called Temporis, I am guessing some Chinese firm
myenergi.info/the-new-myenergi-account-t2591.html
Great vid jordan, just wondering if you could do a short video on when you are drilling through walls for cables as you always seem to get it bang on :)
Like Mike said.... blk/wht/grn is US colors for hot/neut/gnd.
Where did the pen fault detector unit come from? Looks a nice neat unit.
Viridian EV
Check out the new one from Garo - similar device to this one but without the exposed circuit board
@@efixx can you share the link please
@@sajjadfozi5097 www.replenishh.com/garo-g8ev40pmeb-mcu-40amp-type-b-rcbo-pme-fault-det-connection-unit-65-3764
Not sure how much the Viridian one is but they aren’t cheap
I don't know why they have to be used, other countries don't use them and weren't our regs harmonised with Europe.
A nice neat job . 👍👍. I didn't think you could install earth electrodes for car chargers any more with the new ammendment
Zappi can also integrate with smart tariffs eg Octopus Agile or Octopus Go.
Interesting video, my cu is old fuse style with mcbs, could ev charger be wired direct into meter cupboard?
What would we do without a Henry, be a chippy I suppose. Sparky’s king of trades 👍🏻
So how is the security?, Can you turn off the unit using the outside display box or just switch the RCD off, does that reset the device causing issues? If switching the RCD works then how to stop low life cutting the cable for copper?
Nice install.
Would look a bit better if the type 2 bracket was side on so it doesn't stick out so much.
Great informative video, thanks for sharing. At 15:30 where did you get the plastic busbar cover from? Is is specifically for that DB or a generic strip that can be purchased?
It’s for that DB it comes with it
I'm surprised that its legal to sell that here with a cable using US colours.
Why wouldn't it be - it's designed for installation by a competent electrician who one would hope can read a label...
It's annoying that they don't use our colour code, however sleeve it up and there's no problem just as we normally do.
@@mikeselectricstuff Labels can get lost and its clear Jordan wasn't familiar with the American colours. Since black was used for neutral in the old British standard (still used in some ex-colonies) without the label even a competent installer might connect the black to neutral and the white to live.
@@davidfaraday3085 agreed. Accident waiting to happen using colours very few people are familiar with. Will be telling customers to avoid this unit
@@TheChipmunk2008 a competent electrician wouldn't blindly connect a device to the mains. Without being sure of its connection. If in doubt find out
Hi, which one would u recommend Ohme or Hypervolt? Criterias being cost of installation, savings on electricity. I am planning to get Honda E and already have Octopus connection. Feel free to recommend any other one if u think is better. That gives me idea, u should make a video to compare few of them :D
Black, White and Green are the standard colors we yanks use here in the US.
Interesting video. It'd be good to see in more detail how you created a non rcd protected mcb in the dual rcd board.
Not a spark here. Shouldn't you add cable sleeves on the charger side as you cut the cable color label?
Hi guys
Find your vids just superb superb superb. You know what you're doing.
I live in North London. Can you do an EV charging unit installation for me ? Also having solar panels installed in October 2021 but getting my Tesla 3 on 21st of June 2021.
Hi! Yeah just email our office we will give you a quote. 👍
If the breaker in the PEN device is 40A, why is the MCB from the main CU only a 32A? Isn’t this a bit low if the EV charger is pulling 32A over a long period?
Where does the Data cable connect in the DB? Also in instead of a junction box in Ireland they have to have local isolation, so therefore its and isolator
Do you know if a similar install could be done with the OHME commando style charger? IE fit a pen fault unit to the consumer box and connect this to a commando socket. Then then OHMI can connect straight into the commando socket?
One issue is the cable on the commando version is rather short
I just removed the commando plug off mine and wired it through a Wiska box - unless you want to keep/use a 32a connector for some reason its just more unnecessary ugliness on the outside of the house.
If you use this PEN device you can connect straight to the tails - no need to go trough the CU. www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/products/4873098-single-phase-voltage-monitoring-and-protection-unit-with-type-a-rcbo
Jordan, great video again. Where can I find Chint PEN fault detection unit? I can't seem to find it on their site. Cheers
It’s from a company called Viridian EV you can contact David via this email address davidr@viridianev.co.uk he will sort you out.
@@artisanelectrics Top man! thanks so much, keep up the brilliant work :D
Black white and green is American standard, they also use double pole mcb's for Added protection.
Do you have a video on the latest Ohme Home Pro
Instead of changing chargers you should add all of them side by side so you can continue testing and get updated via firmware of all the new features.
do all the chargers have cheaper electrisity at night or are some more
Installed one a few weeks ago really good app
Cool
Hi pay what would you recommend as best ev charger that does not require running a separate earth
7:49 makes a change to see a nice and tidy consumer unit 😎
Yep
Have you done a pod point? I'm training in the future to fit them and wondered what you thought?
Looks like Chint Chinese breakers have found a market in UK. Does viridian sell just the circuit board?
Great video - very interesting. So if I were to run an Ohme from a 32A commando protected by 40A MCB and suitable RCD, and the unit is in my garage, is an earth rod or PEN device still required? Are you able to provide a link to the consumer unit with PEN device please?
@Eco Harmony Many thanks - I’ve since found the Matt:E solution. All the best.
@Eco Harmony I'll send you an email.
Smets 2 meters 4 or 5 port have the ability to have multiple tariff switches although we're being told they will be standardised rather than the old church hall agreed changes so ev chargers should definitely take advantage of the option to charge at the cheapest rate if not they will cost customers more than necessary.
Why not put in a 32 cee outlet and put on a 32 cee plug on the ev charger. it might even make it so you don't need the PEN-fault protection device. Not 100% on that because we are almost 100% TT here in Belgium
Still required. You get the PEN by the DNO, the network operator. So you would have the same problem, no matter what you connect in between. The PEN is splitted in the service entrance box into a separate PE and N. If this PEN breaks, for example they damage the PEN during construction work on the street with an excavator, you'll get a massive problem. All metal surfaces, including the car, would become live at mains voltage.
Here in Germany it's mandatory to have an earth electrode installed in your house, even in a TN-C-S system. That would solve the problem partially. The other solution is, we got three-phase in residentials. That is making it much easier for the chargers to detect problems, easier than it is in a single phase installation. In a three-phase system you got more reference points to detect a problem like a broken PEN. The voltage between every L and N should be 230V and 400V between the lines. If the PEN breaks the voltage between the line and the neutral (actually PEN) will float around between 0 and 400V, depending on the resistance of the connected appliances. But the voltage between the lines itself is still 400V. In three phase you got more usable reference points, in single phase you don't have that. You got 230V between two conductors, and so you can't detect if one of them failed...except you install an earth electrode and use that as a reference, but in that case you can also disconnect the PE supplied by the DNO and create a small TT installation.
In that case the smallest appliances (by their demand), for example TVs, Radio and such things will be roasted by a surge up to 400V. Larger appliances like electric heaters will remain intact in most cases, because they'll only "see" a small voltage in the range of 1 or 2V.
@@Marcel_Germann I can't imagine having to install a pen-fault detection device when installing an outside socket which a cee socket would be. Hence it might be a way to get around the requirement for one. I get why it needs to be there though.
@@florisvdk The interesting thing is, this PEN fault detection is only required for EV chargers. I don't require that, even if I have a TN-C-S system here. My house got an earth electrode and the EV charger is a three-phase one.
Black, White, and Green are the standard colors used in the US.
OMG - the placement of that main consumer unit! I would hate to have to look at that every day.
Haha typical UK new build I’m afraid
@@artisanelectrics Oh boy, developers get away with...
Is this because of accessibility legislation?
Question for you electricians, when mounting a TV on the wall, can you hide the power cable in the stud wall? Along with HDMI cables etc, or do you not a socket being put in behind the TV?
Hello Joe, Google search "internal powerpoint tv mount". It is a recessed powerpoint enclosure, which can be mounted behind the TV. That is what we use in Australia for installs.
Yes , I do recommend trying to separate your video and data cables from your power cables this is usually done by going down one joist for one set in the other Joyce for the other.
Easy 640£ + vat there
The 5x test will be shoving ~150mA along the CPC - the PEN fault device will be seeing that with the coil it has on the CPC, but it can't tell if that's coming from the device or going to it - I guess therefore it looks like a possible fault to it so it triggers...
That was my thinking too, the easy way around it I suspect would be to connect the mft earth to the installation earth (consumer unit earth / met etc)
As I said before: Install a Mennekes Amtron Wallbox... Those have EVERYTHING build into one and you get your device from those who developed the Type-2 plug everyone uses ☺️
Hi, Could I ask a question? Could you not use the cable that came from the charger without using the junction box? 13:3
13:03
No user serviceable parts. Kind of a stupid design in a way unless you're mounting it right next to something.
Can you install pod point chargers direct from a meter box if it has an isolator installed (smart meter).?
Is be asking the company why they are using an obscure colour code. America uses that but nowhere else. and having done electrical wiring in America I wouldn't be convinced that cable is suitably rated
I think that the junction box looks bad could use not be made of the meter box to locate new consumer /pen fault unit in . Then it would have been nicer looking
Just had one installed - the charger itself is great, but is only fully intelligent if you're connecting a car from a manufacturer whose API they can interface with, otherwise you have to tell it what % you want to add. As for trying to register and swap between 2 cars in the app or have 2 phones/apps - it's clearly not setup with that in mind. Charger great, app and website... disappointing (but I'm sure they'll improve the app).
Have these got the ability to get to phase 3 & faster speeds?
Is it much cheaper than a Zappi ? Even with the extra contactor/protection unit ?
The gloss black charger doesn’t look very robust for outside use.
Their site says it's from £200, or have one installed from £449, so I guess it's cheap.
I'm surprised to see North American colouring in a product being sold in the UK we occasionally yet UK wiring over here and it takes a second to remember how to wire it up but in general it seems a lot of the stuff is pretty Universal if it's built to be
Those colours are north American standard. The bget confused with our brown and blue
In the US green is ground, white or grey is neutral, everything else is live.
Both brown and blue would get connected to live.
Which interestingly would probably be the case anyway. (We connect to two different phases for 220v)
@@b2gills i believe you have both ends of the transformer wiring at 220v then the neutral is a centre tap to the transformer. Giving 120vac between neutral and each phase. This is all from what i have learned from youtube 🤣
@@Liberator975 Exactly. But you wouldn't use neutral for a permanently wired charger. Which would mean that the two wires used for power would be live wires. Blue and brown are valid colors for llive wires. (Normally you would use black then red then blue then other colors.)
By using both phases, you get twice the power for a given amperage cable. Which is why electric ovens don't typically use neutral. And it's also why hard wired car chargers don't use neutral.
(I'm using phases loosely because they can either be two phases out of three, or opposite polarities of a single phase. Either way it would be wired the same with roughly the same voltage/power.)
Awful looking thing. Looks like a "granny charger" fastened to the wall. It would look better if both cables were at the bottom of the unit.
That's because it uses a case designed as a portable charger (Zencar)
Might be ugly but they are cheap
I am guessing that a person that buys an electric car automatically has a charger installed, when really some people might not need one.
As example, I looked at a Kia, on a 13amp plug it took about 24hrs to fully charge, had a range of about 260 miles, my car sits in the garage most of the week, as I am in the van mostly, so people that don't use a car much could leave it plugged and save themselves a good chunk of money. Just an observation.
If you have a time of day tarrif then you want to charge quickly while you get the cheapest/ greenest Electric.
I think the charger unit looks absolutely awful and the install sort of compounds it and makes it look like a right snakes wedding. Could you have not passed the charger supply tails through the meter cupboard and used a small JB mounted in the cupboard (and possibly even put the PEN breaker box in there too) and then take the supply from the consumer unit as demonstrated and then ( in the cleanest run possible)into the meter cupboard for termination either in the JB/PEN unit?
If a homeowner has an EICR undertaken, does the report and/or the result become public knowledge (like a FENSA certificate)? Or is it simply for the homeowner's information?
No it doesn’t become public knowledge, but if it is for a rental property then a copy of the EICR has to be submitted to the local authority
Jordan, you do the trigonometry when you drill those angle holes dont you?
Yep
How dos the 'smart tariff' work? Does it require a smart meter or Economy 7 meter?
Yes, you need to be using someone like octopus energy , bulb, or any of the other companies that have a variable rate tariff. To get on one of these tariffs, you will need a smart meter installed, and some of the older smart meters may not be compatible with your new supplier. The smart meter issue is a bit of a minefield, but if you don't have one currently, you can select a supplier that installs smart meters and get on their waiting list.
Good morning this is Michael from Amsterdam Holland why didn't you fix the charger in the spot of your Junction Box then you can feed the one and 1/2 metre wire true wal?.. directly in the switch...?
Good point! I didn’t think of doing it that way to be honest! I think it would have been slightly too short though.
@@artisanelectrics Hello again him a mechanical engineer from Amsterdam and have the same problems day after day I think you do a good job and I really like your chel and you're very clear in your explanation
How about SPD for new circuit ?
Nice shades Dave 🤓
Thanks😂
Colours are North American standard (USA and Canada) L1 Black, N white, and PG Green AKA CPC