Talking Arrow Clocking, Left vs. Right Helical, and Single Bevel Rotation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- This is quickly becoming a hot topic in the industry, we wanted to break it all down! Learn the truth about arrow clocking, whether or not it matters, and the problem with left helical fletching for bowhunting.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:34 What is arrow clocking
01:06 Does it matter?
02:43 FAQ #1
04:20 FAQ #2
05:05 FAQ #3
05:48 FAQ #4
Great points - I always fletch with a right helical and go for it. As John Dudley demonstrated in one of his videos: left, right helical or straight fletched arrows all will fly the same with a properly tuned bow and correct spine.
Agreed! There are so many bigger things people should be worrying about such as form, spine matching, proper tuning/setup, the list goes on. Arrow clocking is not worth our time!
In all my 55+ years of archery I’ve learned vane clocking is NOT RELEVANT. Considering the very minute amount of single bevel it won’t override the control all the vane surface has over the shaft. Watch the Dudley video where he shoots different vaned arrows at the same target. At 77 yards all the will fit inside a 4-5” circle. Left offset,right offset, 1 1/2 to 3 degrees left and right. Doesn’t matter. I messed with stuff twenty-twenty five years ago and could never see any difference. Even with feathers on traditional bows.
Great take and I completely agree!
Single bevels (generally) want to roll in the direction of the bevel. The combination between surface area, width, and bevel give the broadhead a specific roll rate.
If you have consistent form, it doesn't matter if you go left or right offset. However, you should always match the bevel and offset.
Can’t wait to see this design tested by John Lusk archery adventures. Please send john a few heads to test . I shoot the vented 100 gr original and can’t imagine ever switching but love watching his testing process.
Sent him a couple of packs yesterday!
I can hear him now! He's gonna LOVE these.@@toothofthearrowbroadheads
While I totally agree that it has very little effect on arrow flight, slo motion footage has proven that an arrow clocking left and fletched with right helical takes a fair bit longer to begin clockwise rotation. It appears the arrow doesn't spin left and just flies straight untill the clockwise rotation begins.
True but many of those videos were inconsistent because they weren't done repetitive with different vane offset/helical variations. In some results there was no flight correction of the arrow to be had, as you said the arrows seemed to fly straight... in either case left or right spin still occurs within a short distance off the riser. With all the talk about it POI still did not change.
There are a lot of factors that come into this but I do believe that if your spine is matched, and your nock fit is correct then you will see the vanes take over any clocking impact very very quickly. Spine matching should be a much bigger concern to archers than arrow clocking. Thanks for the take and for watching!
These look good and will keep them in mind when i go to switch up my recurve arrow setup after this season.
Thanks for considering us! I have no doubt you will be impressed!
@toothofthearrowbroadheads no doubt. I'm shooting 150 xl and 125 s series on my compounds. Love them. The thought y'all put into mass distribution of the head is awesome.
This kids know his stuff.... impressive
Thank you!!
I ordered a set. What kind of target do you recommend shooting these into?
Rhinehart and Matrix are awesome! Anything except layered foam or bag style targets will be great!
Morrell rolling dice, I have an array of broadhead targets and I would pic that or a 365 over anything in my experience
Are you going to make them in a150 grain
Yes we will be going up to 200gr including a 150!
When are you going to make some testing videos with these????
We’ve got lots in the works!
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads awesome can't wait to see them in action!
These look great and I'm sure penetration is outstanding. I've always wanted to try single bevels.
We are sure you will love them!
Highly doubt it would lose more energy by beginning to unscrew. In-fact it probably loses less energy. I like shooting left helical. Not a big difference between the two, but it's personal preference now since I'm OCD.
In order for the single bevel rotation through the target to work as effectively as possible, we need the arrows spin, the bevel, and the insert threading direction to all be working together in the same direction to help drive that clockwise rotation! We appreciate the insight and feedback, it all gets shared with the team no matter what! Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@toothofthearrowbroadheadswe all know energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Therefore in my opinion the resistance of the broadhead attempting to rotate the entire arrow through the body of an animal is much higher than if it is spinning freely on the end of the arrow and can rotate on its own. There should be zero difference in hemorrhaging since the rotating wound channel of the broadhead should be theoretically the same. Since there is less resistance to rotation less kinetic energy should be leached from the arrow and has the potential to create deeper penetration. I haven't tested it or ran calculations on it, just thinking about it as an engineer with dynamics and mechanics.
@@HuntsTIt's more about durability. To drive the spin, the weight pushes the broadhead forward while the bevel pushes to the side. If the broadhead is slightly unscrewed, it can strip the threads in the insert or on the head, or even just bend the head.
If the resistance and weight drives rotation, and you assume that the animal provides resistance to the broadhead, you want the broadhead fully connected to the arrow to maximize rotation.
Try drilling through something with and without putting weight on the drill. If you add weight, you cut faster. That's why drill presses allow you to press down beyond just lowering the drill to the material, because on tougher materials you'll never get through without the extra pressure. Without the weight of the arrow fully behind the broadhead, it'll just bind in the animal and stop until the arrow catches up, which will limit penetration and push the back of the arrow out of alignment with the point, further limiting penetration.
@@HuntsTIt should be rolling already, anyways. It's not like the arrow only starts to roll when it hits the animal. It's adding the new vector to the existing roll rate.
@@YoureSoVane how does it rotating around the threads of the broadhead (slowly unscrewing) affect the arrow pushing on the back broadhead?
Great explanation. This isn't your trad head is it? Add a 3:1 profile and it is:)
Thank you! We are planning to add length with each addition in weight!
Why not just make a double bevel? Problem solved!
A great point, but the idea behind the single bevel is that is creates a superior wound channel to a double bevel because it continues rotation through an animal, essentially ‘drilling’ a hole through them. Double bevels stop rotating on impact and make a clean slice through
There wouldnt be half the items out there today, if they really worked. Bottom line, consumers drive what sells. I have shot the single bevel since it first came out with left helical, left spinning arrows and have had zero loosen because of it. If it’s a cost prohibitive thing, I get it. But if you’re just not gonna make a left bevel, for the sake of not making a left bevel, you’re missing out on extra sales. 85% of the items for sale right now are placebos. I wish you made a left bevel, but I’ll just keep shooting my right bevel, and be happy about it until you do. Lol.
I appreciate the feedback! Our stance on it, is that we would rather miss out on some potential sales and only produce what we truly believe to be the best option for bowhunters. Our opinion comes from in depth personal conversations with industry experts, and extensive testing. We understand that not everyone will agree, but it is important to us that we are doing our best to only put out products which we truly believe will make people more successful. Thank you for your feedback and support, regardless of our decision to not make the left bevel, it means a lot!
I just ordered my second pack 2 days ago, if that tells you anything! LOL@@toothofthearrowbroadheads
@@rutnut3659 it’s nice to hear your feedback as someone who is shooting our right bevels with a left helical, and that you aren’t having issues. I’ve had a number of people ask me if I have encountered that yet, and until hearing from you I had not
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads - I have been paying extra special attention to that after watching the TH-cam videos to make sure that wasn’t going to be something I’d have to contend with once my hunting arrows get tipped with the new heads. I can honestly say, I’ve not had one head loose. The penetrations been excellent, and in fact, I have to unloosing it down a little bit to take it off the shaft before pulling the arrow back through my targets.
A little hot glue on the treads will solve loosening.
The rotational force that your arrow will try to undergo through the target requires the correct threading direction to work effectively
I have, LEFT Clocking, Three Vanes Left Helical , 3" long, X-3 Bohning Vanes and, I WILL Use,.. a Drop or, two of, Blue Loctite, to TIGHTLY "Hold down", My Grim Reaper, Micro Hades, 3 Bladed B-H's with, the Chisel Tip !
What about us traditional archers
I am not a trad archer and don't want to pretend that I am any sort of expert on the topic. We are doing a video interview with a traditional archery expert soon on this channel, and I will be sure to address this topic! Stay tuned for that!