TLEILAXU vs. BENE GESSERIT | The Shadow War Begins | DUNE Prophecy Theory

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  • Explaining my theory that Dune Prophecy season 2 is set up for a conflict between the Bene Gesserit and the Bene Tleilax and the evidence within the show that the stage has been set for this shadow war to occur.
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  • @NerdCookies
    @NerdCookies  หลายเดือนก่อน +8

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    • @the1tigglet
      @the1tigglet หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @jamesabernethy7896
    @jamesabernethy7896 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    A lot of people here will have a lot more knowledge of the Dune universe than I do. I have seen all the visual representations with the exception of this show. Although I like elements of all the versions but still love the 1984 version. From what I have been following from reviews and recaps these organisations don't seem to be that different than in Paul's era. They do not seem like mere embers of the organisations that we know. I felt an interesting aspect would have been exploring the more minor houses within the Landsraad and all their power plays. Having a sense of freedom to explore that.

  • @JediBubba-5-77
    @JediBubba-5-77 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Good explanation for Sister Theo in the finale. It seemed a little sloppy while it was happening but if it’s explained the right way in season 2 it could be a great story line.

  • @agesflow6815
    @agesflow6815 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you, Nerd Cookies.

  • @TheErsdot
    @TheErsdot หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I also believe the Tleillaxu created Desmond Hart. They certainly have the means, motive, and opportunity. There just aren't a lot of other groups capable of doing this.

    • @prplhze2000
      @prplhze2000 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      They would have no qualms about messing with forbidden technology

  • @omnigar9611
    @omnigar9611 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I just love your voice. I could listen to you read an encyclopedia.

    • @clintconley8361
      @clintconley8361 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Her voice is what got me hooked on her channel too. Cookie knows her stuff and love to hear her tell me stories.

    • @TheMetatron
      @TheMetatron หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's soothing.

    • @CaptainSeato
      @CaptainSeato หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea, but what does she look like?
      ...chocolate chip? Oatmeal? Oatmeal raisin? The fans wonder 🤔🤔🤔

    • @clintconley8361
      @clintconley8361 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CaptainSeato peanut butter, definitely peanut butter.

  • @josematos4615
    @josematos4615 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    We need a full story on the tanks and how the whole female population got turned into incubators. Love your channel 🎉🎉❤

    • @raydavison4288
      @raydavison4288 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We are on the way to do that in our own culture. There is a powerful movement to once more enslave women. Does the phrase "Your body, my choice" sound familiar? 😢

    • @richt7525
      @richt7525 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are masters of genetic technology- they likely have gained the ability to set the sex of future children. Given their severe Patriarchy I think it's safe to assume that women just went extinct in a society that values males and were inevitably only allowed to be born for the purposes of axlotl tanks.
      I don't think they turn women into tanks, but grow them into them from conception. That's hand in hand woth how their tech works.

  • @chris1142A
    @chris1142A หลายเดือนก่อน

    You have an amazing voice and also nerdy it’s the perfect combo

  • @farleyhouston9057
    @farleyhouston9057 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I wonder if Theodosia is a Tleilaxu double agent (thus a danger to the sisterhood), or even a triple agent truly in league with the sisterhood despite pretending to help the Tleilaxu. Plans within plans.

  • @ewarrior9776
    @ewarrior9776 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    In order for general audience to understand Dune Messiah, the second season of Dune Prophecy need to explain the Bene Tleilax and the Guild Navagators. So I hope it comes out before the movie.

    • @didamnesia3575
      @didamnesia3575 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Na, they can read the books 😆

    • @track1949
      @track1949 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Read the books, jfc.

    • @Hi-pl5rx
      @Hi-pl5rx หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I disagree. Show isnt nearly popular enough. So Denis will have to explain why they’re so important himself. Plus i hate when movies rely on tv series to explain context for them

    • @JungleJetAviation06
      @JungleJetAviation06 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@didamnesia3575 I don't think some of the general audience's attention spans are long enough tbh, I consider myself a pretty strong reader and even I had difficulty getting through God Emperor even though Im a huge Dune fan.

    • @didamnesia3575
      @didamnesia3575 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @JungleJetAviation06 the books get a bit tedious as they go on to be fair. I agree with you.

  • @stephensmith4025
    @stephensmith4025 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love this channel so much.

  • @InkubusGames
    @InkubusGames หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I still don't understand why insisting so much on the "Desmond survived sand worm and being recovered"? Could it be that he was just captured and this story with the sand worm is just a cover story for the emperor to see. In a world of scheming, this is not far fetched.

    • @FosterTravis1071
      @FosterTravis1071 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So? It was just a clone that died?

    • @prestonarmer277
      @prestonarmer277 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FosterTravis1071I think so

    • @InkubusGames
      @InkubusGames หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FosterTravis1071 I would say it would be easier and cheaper to make a fake footage of him than clone him

    • @ellemiles934
      @ellemiles934 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly. Whoever is behind the curtain wants the sisterhood on Arrakis. The sisterhood is playing into the enemy’s plan.

    • @dgn274
      @dgn274 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes. Captured and gholafied!

  • @elijahsnow3119
    @elijahsnow3119 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm willing to bet you guessed what he was prior to the ending. He was pinging all of my Infinite Duncan Idaho instincts. If he isn't a ghola I'll eat my hat.

  • @quentincollins1825
    @quentincollins1825 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Messin' with the Powindah 😈

  • @HD-pc4id
    @HD-pc4id หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Narrator and choice of music keep me coming back

  • @Woodrow0
    @Woodrow0 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was thinking Dorotaya's group of fanatics might just become fanatical enough to turn themselves into tanks, after what Valya did.

  • @redswingline262
    @redswingline262 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the Nerd Cookies intro

  • @luisdotespinal
    @luisdotespinal หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I assume Demond is a goula, and that the Tleilaxu at this time (and other groups) are clandestinely using remaining thinking machine tech (just as Mother Alya was.)

  • @JezzaBondiBeach
    @JezzaBondiBeach 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excited for season !!!!!

  • @earlsfield
    @earlsfield หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good stuff, keep it coming. Would be cool to involve Tleilaxu ( I mean, it is a slam dunk now), but I find one thing odd tho - sister Theodosia, who is a face dancer, isn't that a Tleilaxu's skill and...how does that compute? It might be it is not Tleilaxu behind this. Although it fits the narrative.

  • @paulh2468
    @paulh2468 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You go, Ghola! Errr, I mean axlotl tank! No, wait, I mean witch!

  • @ardoRic
    @ardoRic หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I simply cannot get behind the Demond Hart ghola theory.
    One of the major plot points in Dune is that the ghola that is presented to Paul Atreides is the first one to be able to recover his memories and that paves the way for a procedure of sorts for future gholas.
    Having a random ghola 10k years in the past that simply has the memories of Desmond Hart (he remembers being a Bene Gesserit orphan, and means what he said as was confirmed by Reverend Mother truthsaying).
    I also want to see more Tleilaxu brought to life cause they're a faction that fascinates me immensely, but a Desmond Hart ghola would just be awful (besides "spoiling" some of the surprise for the movies)

    • @haplozetetic9519
      @haplozetetic9519 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Agreed, but the writers seem to be ignoring canon and are having characters using terms and doing things that didn't exist or weren't known until thousands of years later. I don't think they care what is or is not canonically possible. I hope you are right, but so far, I can't give it no more than a 50% chance.

    • @playbookshowme484
      @playbookshowme484 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah well DP fvcked things up royally so it don't matter really all we can do is hope they StarTrek Discovery this DP story line and have Bobby Ewing wake up from a dream and dismiss everything.

    • @prplhze2000
      @prplhze2000 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah but this is the world of Brian and that means ANYTHING Goes. Throw in the Westworld writers......

    • @henrikg1388
      @henrikg1388 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@prplhze2000 Yes, unfortunately. A clear case of the apple falling far from the tree.

    • @henrikg1388
      @henrikg1388 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@playbookshowme484 Bobby Ewing... A good one. 🤣🤣

  • @JungleJetAviation06
    @JungleJetAviation06 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does anyone think we will see the Tleilaxu on screen? Idk if the Axlotl tanks are a thing during these events but if they are shown that's gonna be freaky lmao.

  • @trevornardini9004
    @trevornardini9004 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think this is a really cool theory and would love to see this develop. I’ve been reading a lot of comments about Desmond Hart being a ghola and many others contradicting that by saying that 10,000 years earlier the Bene Tleilax would not yet have mastered the ghola development SO well yet. Thoughts?

  • @cowboyone0
    @cowboyone0 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice video! !Enjoyed listening to your ideas on the show. Could Sister Theodosia be a Tleilax undercover agent?

    • @Drpenguin1009
      @Drpenguin1009 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It could make sense that her loyalties are to the BT. That she is being open about being a face dancer because she has to because of truth sense.

  • @pac1fic055
    @pac1fic055 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you nailed it.

  • @D3athW1ng
    @D3athW1ng หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thought: It's probably not someone from IX or a Tleilaxu but probably just the Emperor. A clone was used in S1.

  • @relevare33
    @relevare33 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the show

  • @Questionthis1
    @Questionthis1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    8:00 What if she’s a double agent. Like what if her true form isn’t Theodosia but someone else and Theodosia is just a disguise

  • @Senbonzakura776
    @Senbonzakura776 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This would be cool to see.

  • @thomasfisher8793
    @thomasfisher8793 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The Tleilaxu enslaved their woman who later rebelled joined the Fish Speakers and Renegade Bene Gesserit forming the Honored Matres tge most Feared woman in the Universe about 4 millenia after the time in the novel Dune.

  • @mmikoff
    @mmikoff หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    The way they are including the Tleilaxu in the show makes no sense...
    First face dancers are a genetically engineered slave class, so one joining the sisterhood seems impossible (also goes against what we learn later in the books)
    Second she would be able to reveal many of the hidden secets of the Tleilaxu, which again spoils the later books.
    Third, and minor spoilers.....
    the Tleilaxu have a plan that involves them pretending to be weak

    • @DDanV
      @DDanV หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Face dancers aren't suppose to exist this earlier (not even the tanks, mere decades prior they were shun as being flesh merchands, they kidnaped and enslaved unaligned communities, harvest their organs and sold them as bioengineered, until discovered). They would turn to bioengineering and become masters at it eventually, and this would be their initial steps in it...
      Theodosia is suppose to be an earlier experiment into what could become eventually the final tleilaxu face dancers, but as it stands now (mentioned in the last episode) Theodosia is an early prototype and it's hinted in the last episode the Reverend Mothers raided a Tleilaxu compound and Valya rescued Theodosia, so the bioengineers responsible for the project might have been killed and the Tleilaxu will have to retrace the experiment in the future or even have lost all recorded evidence of the experiment completely and will have to restart anew.
      Even Desmond Hart being a ghola makes absolutely no sense, in Paul Atreides time (10 thousand years into the future from now) the Tleilaxu are still in the infancy of gholas, they can't even do eyes properly yet and resort to mechanical eyes... Desmond Hart doesn't have mechanical eyes, the one eye that was operated on was his own, it was just bounded with machine thinking technology to fabricate the evolved Omnious plague virus but it's still his own biological eyes. But even if we entertain the idea of a ghola, the first one to regain his previous life conscience and memories is Hayt, Duncan Idaho's ghola 10 thousand years from now... and it was by accident, the Tleilaxu didn't knew that could happen (regain the previous memories), how come they would now know how to do it and know what that it was even possible?
      And as soon as they found out that was a possibility even they went full overdrive mode to perfect the ghola production (and have full biological eyes, because the Masters themselves didn't want to use mechanical eyes, they _"make slaves of their owners")_ and recovering the memories in order to attain immortality for themselves that way (all Masters in the last Frank Herberts books are gholas of previous masters, regaining their previous memories each time they come back as a ghola). If they had known 10 thousand years in the past how to reach immortality that way they would have done the same... so yeah...
      ... People are reaching and it shows, there are huge gaps in their Duniverse understanding (heck, even by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson's standards).
      Now, for the part of a face dancer being impossible to join the sisterhood, well in the future (almost 14 thousand years into the future, during God Emperor) the Tleilaxu send face dancers to infiltrate the Ixian embassy in Arrakis, and further into the future still they even manage to replace Hedley Tuek, a High Priest of the Rakian Priesthood, but he assimilates so well that the Masters lose control of the face dancer because it literally became Hedley Tuek itself.
      But, Bene Gesserit (eventually, very early on in the life of the face dancers) manage to discover a way to detect face dancers by their homornal discharges (and Bene Gesserit being so intuned to their body, detecting some different pheromones - or something, can't remember now exactly what it was - is nothing difficult).
      But the result of an early experiment that either intentionally or by accident led to the precusor of the face dancer joining the Sistherhood is not an impossibility... the future face dancers themselves could have free will if they weren't hypnotically conditioned/enslaved since "birth".
      And she couldn't reveal any secret of the Tleilaxu because she knew nothing, she was an experiment, as stated in the last episode, rescued by the Reverend Mothers and probably was restrained in a cell.

    • @Drpenguin1009
      @Drpenguin1009 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DDanVthose are all good explanations. But I think that the problem with her being a “prototype face dancer” is that she has abilities as a face dancer that are just so much better than even future time face dancers have. No face dancer could imitate perfectly the voice of a person who they never met or heard the voice of (when Theo turns into Griffin). They also take days to transform if the new face they’re taking on has a different skin color and gender and hair length than them.

  • @butterybiscuit346
    @butterybiscuit346 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm curious if Brian Herbert/K.J. Anderson are involved in the show at all. They have a nasty habit of retconning lore/information that Frank put down to suit their "needs". The creation of "no-ships" 3k years before the need for that technology just pops up in their pre-books, and now the BG "suspecting" that the axalotl tanks are the BT women 10k years before heretics of dune. How soon does this show take place after the Butlerian Jihad? Have the BT even had time to figure out how to make axalotl tanks so they aren't defying the whole "no thinking machine" rule? Yet they are happily playing with a thinking machine to play around with nanomachines? bah humbug, i'm glad i've watched your videos about the show. It's told me several good reasons why to avoid it.

  • @Nineteen1900Hundred
    @Nineteen1900Hundred หลายเดือนก่อน

    How did everyone else see the blue robot eye? I thought visions in Dune were more personal, along a genetic line? Or at least, your own potential futures. Like, why would the mother superior see through Desmond’s eyes?

  • @pate2017
    @pate2017 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't think the theory that this Desmond(???) character is a ghola works with F. Herbert canon. If you recall, in Dune Messiah when Duncan Idaho's ghola regained his original memories Scytale was excited. I believe Sytale's words were something to the effect of: "We have long suspected this was possible, but now know it to be true" or something to that effect. Unless, Desmond has somehow kept the information that he as a ghola has regained his original memories from the Bene Tleliax(sp?) I don't think this theory works, unless one wants to accept some serious RetCon on that. I personally would NOT accept that. Have read the B. Herbert stuff, but not a fan. I consider that stuff fan-fiction at best, & non-canonical. It was okay, but not anywhere near the level of F. Herbert's original works. I think I am on my 14th re-read of the entirety of F. Herberts stuff, about to start Heretics of Dune for the um-teenth time. Really enjoy your shows, keep them coming!

  • @carlosaugustocosta8702
    @carlosaugustocosta8702 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Question : Tleilaxus would only appaear in a future time fom Duna profecy?

  • @ellemiles934
    @ellemiles934 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don’t believe Desmond is a ghola, but that he was fed this backstory when he was being made into a biological weapon. This hidden hand, for whatever reason, wants the sisterhood on Arrakis. Desmond’s backstory is just that-a story…imo.

  • @magister.mortran
    @magister.mortran หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    There is a major problem with the character of Theodosia. There are no female face dancers. They can assume a female shape, but they are all male. And males cannot become Bene Gesserit. The Mother Superior would not have undermined the whole purpose of the sisterhood by allowing a man into the organization.

    • @Hellish-qx4eq
      @Hellish-qx4eq หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Sure she would. Theo was a tool to be used.

    • @TheMetatron
      @TheMetatron หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I mean she had a thinking machine.

    • @FosterTravis1071
      @FosterTravis1071 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Face dancers aren't male, or female. They're a strange mixture of both.

    • @DanniDusette
      @DanniDusette หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They're explicitly "Jadacha hermaphrodites." No idea what "Jadacha" means (knowing Frank it's derived from a real world word), but also male or female at will. In fairness to the show, she does seem to take on a weird genderless form while she transforms, so her female form could just be for the Sisterhood's benefit.

  • @pilotpig9167
    @pilotpig9167 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Something that has me confused is mother requella on her deathbed saw the blue eyes before Desmond was born. Did she see the future? or is there something more going on? very interesting idea in this video I hope we get to see it

    • @pilotpig9167
      @pilotpig9167 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      30 years before the procedure happens, not before he was born. :)

  • @gnomechomsky2524
    @gnomechomsky2524 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Unrelated but how come Francesca didn’t transmute the poison from the needle that killed her?

    • @KentoLeoDragon
      @KentoLeoDragon หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      She didn't even notice someone sneaking up behind her. She wasn't prepared.

    • @gnomechomsky2524
      @gnomechomsky2524 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @ BG are also supposed to be able to have super senses and feel changes in air pressure or hear the slightest change in sound… not to nitpick haha. Just a weird choice IMO

    • @DanniDusette
      @DanniDusette หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Script said she didn't.

    • @DDanV
      @DDanV หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Blame it on being earlier Bene Gesserit, not the powerful Bene Gesserit of the 10k'ish AG and certainly not the ones from Chapterhouse.

    • @tadtomd
      @tadtomd หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@gnomechomsky2524 The version of the BG we are seeing have only been around for two generations right? I don’t think we can assume they’ve reached the level of prowess with the weirding way that we see depicted 10k years later
      Valya just suddenly “discovering” the voice already feels so ham fisted and not earned that I’m glad they don’t also have fully mature weirding powers

  • @Telenaus
    @Telenaus หลายเดือนก่อน

    im thinking that the virus is a sleeper virus ? one that pretty much everyone has, but im wondering if its from the thinking machines or the Tleilax? im leaning towards the machines,,this is probably just because im not able to read the series, wondering if anyone may know of fee narrated online books? that has all the books?

  • @js70371
    @js70371 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Elaine in the David Lynch adaptation of Dune do you think the black-suited men who accompany the Guild Navigator in his meeting with the Emperor were supposed to represent the Tleilaxu? I always got that impression because of their aesthetic, being all male and the way they were rude and dismissive about the presence of Gaius Helen Mohiam, the Emperor’s Bene Gesserit truthsayer

    • @farleyhouston9057
      @farleyhouston9057 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I always assumed they were Guild navigators-to-be in the earliest stages of their transformation. Their heads were already starting to become malformed with black tubes coming out. Granted, some or all of this might have been David Lynch’s aesthetic. Also, the “witch” comment might have been meant to establish that the BG weren’t liked or trusted by everyone, perhaps including the Guild.

    • @js70371
      @js70371 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@farleyhouston9057 definitely a valid theory - although I wonder why those men spoke a strange language which had to be translated through microphones rather than English as the Guild Navigator did? Also, the Dune Wiki states that amongst the wares the Tleilaxu provided to the Imperiun were; genetically engineered humanoid sentient tools, face dancers, gholas, twisted Mentats, subverted Suk Doctors - and Guild Navigators

    • @Mark-hr9dy
      @Mark-hr9dy หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      No these were 1st and 2nd stage guild navigators along with a cadre of assistants.

    • @Drpenguin1009
      @Drpenguin1009 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah I just assumed they were guild envoys and ambassadors. And the language thing was just a similar thing to how DV gave harkonnens a different language at times

  • @MinhFong-p6m
    @MinhFong-p6m หลายเดือนก่อน

    Reverend mothers can clock any facedancer. Prana Bintu, baby!!!!

  • @Dan-ud8hz
    @Dan-ud8hz หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does Hart actually remember the implantation or is that memory a subconscious one? I'm uncertain as to whether or not he's supposed to be aware of that having happened to him.

    • @ComradeCommissarYuri
      @ComradeCommissarYuri หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think he knows something happened to him.. he just doesn’t quite know exactly what happens to him
      If also like to know how he learned he could suddenly burn people inside out
      How many has he really killed

  • @benjaminattwell1430
    @benjaminattwell1430 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just hate this time line. Nowhere in the original Dune series was it ever explicitly stated that the Imperium was EXACTLY the same 10,000 years before Paul was born. What it does say is that there were MANY schools that existed after the jihad. The BG and Mentats were the last schools left after millennia. Paul was created after 90 generations of interbreeding that’s 2,000 years. Which is when this show SHOULD take place!

    • @DanniDusette
      @DanniDusette หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Agreed, but a "generation" in Dune seems to be about 45-50 years, going by the appendix to the first book. It refers to the Butlerian Jihad as "two generations of chaos," and also gives the dates for it at 201 BG - 108 BG, so we can allow a little wiggle room for estimation since it's not an exact term. That makes it around 4,000-4,500 years, well after the timeline of this hack show. We don't know if that's what Paul meant, but it's enough to make it somewhat ambiguous.
      I hate this idea that absolutely nothing has changed since the end of the Jihad and the time of the first book - it's pretty clear things can change, just not in the basic structure of the Imperium. Frank was careful not to give us concrete information, but he gave enough tidbits to spark our imaginations. Take for example the dictionary entry on spice - the geriatric properties were discovered during the reign of Shakkad the Wise - who was he? When was he? Was the spice already being used for space travel at that point? Don't know, but it's way more interesting to speculate.
      I'm amazed there hasn't been a "Shakkad of Dune" book from KJA yet.

    • @benjaminattwell1430
      @benjaminattwell1430 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @ 100% agree!

  • @baronvonslapnuts
    @baronvonslapnuts หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would the Tleilaxu really use thinking machines?

  • @Twenty-Seven
    @Twenty-Seven หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do we know how old Scytale actually is? Or any Tleilaxu master?

    • @DDanV
      @DDanV หลายเดือนก่อน

      We do. Scytale was a face dancer first, and he first appeared in Paul Atreides time, prior to the Tleilaxu discover that gholas could regain their previous life memories and conscience, so it's fair to say he was born around the time Paul was born (give or take decades).
      After Hayt regaining Ducan's memories and the Tleilaxu finding out they could use that as a way of immortality for themselves (and even for face dancers, that's how Scytale went from face dancer during Dune Messiah to Master almost 5 thousand years later, by living enough lives that his input became important enough as a Master), so it's only from Dune Messiah time onwards that becomes completely impossible to actually know when any Tleilaxu was originally born.

  • @playbookshowme484
    @playbookshowme484 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:16 Think of this place as Star wars hollywood but with men in charge Wokeing out women.

  • @DanniDusette
    @DanniDusette หลายเดือนก่อน

    Personally, I really hate everything they've done - Face Dancers could have had a much more interesting introduction. They could have been introduced as performers/prostitutes/etc. rather than creating problems by having one a member of the Sisterhood, which completely breaks canon and introduces a huge set of problems that they're definitely not going to address. It's possible she's a double agent, but that just shifts the problem by making the Sisterhood not nearly as capable as they should be.
    Of course this goes back to a central issue with the show - the fact that this Imperium is pretty much the same as the Imperium in the DV films. Yes, stagnation is a theme in Dune, but that doesn't mean everything stays exactly the same (the social stagnation is a bigger problem.) Ix, Richese, and Bene Tleilax continue to experiment and create new things and innovation was allowed as long as it didn't mess with established social norms. Leto is afraid of technology someday outstripping humanity's ability to deal with it once self-improving hunter seekers became a thing.
    A fledgling Imperium, newly-built and struggling under religious dogma (the CET would be great to see) and the Guild monopoly would have been interesting, but they just wanted to make a CW level melodrama wearing a Dunesuit, so that's what they did.

    • @davidsledge5206
      @davidsledge5206 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A key to enjoying Science-FICTION is to suspend judgement and allow ourselves to be swept away into a new universe of wonder. Afterall, there are things in the real world that don't make sense either.

    • @DanniDusette
      @DanniDusette หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidsledge5206 So why have standards at all? I'm one of those weirdos who thinks that a series based on Dune should follow Dune. It's one of the greatest works of science fiction because of what Frank Herbert put into it. Seems odd to disregard that because thinking is hard for some people.

    • @davidsledge5206
      @davidsledge5206 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DanniDusette Yes, this always happens after the original creator is gone and new people come in with new creative visions... and further complicated by translating the original books into a new medium like cable TV. I am happy to see new creatives breathing new life into DUNE for a new generation of fans. I don't think the creators of the Dune Prophecy series are trying to disrespect or disregard Frank's vision. To be fair... this is called DUNE PROPHECY... which was not one of the titles of Frank's books and thus signaling that this is a bit different. I DO appreciate your reverence for the original books... but we can always look away if we don't like this cable TV series, no?

    • @DanniDusette
      @DanniDusette หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidsledge5206 I'd agree with you if what they were making was really good. It's not. It's boring, simplistic, and shallow. It bears little to no resemblance to the world they're trying to exploit, and behind it all is a pair of grasping hacks who have been making far too much money off their pretentious work for decades. The HLP is intensely disrespectful to fans of the original books (look up the never-to-be-seen Spanish art student film adaptation of Dune and official statements on the Dune Encyclopedia for examples). The fact that it not only lacks elements of the books is one thing - that it outright contradicts them is entirely different. They had a chance to make something really interesting here, and they dropped the ball. I'm not saying there isn't anything good about it - there is a great cast and some scenes are filmed really well, but that doesn't excuse the childish writing, hollow characters, and empty plot.
      Feel free to like it all you want, but don't be surprised that people who have read (and re-read) Dune don't.

  • @andrewfowler1940
    @andrewfowler1940 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At this point the only reason I will watch Dune Prophecy is to see any Easter eggs or lore reference. Otherwise I'm pretty disappointed that they deviated so far from the source material. I've read all of the Dune novels including all of the Brian Herbert / Kevin J Anderson books. I know that many fans reject the BH books and consider them non cannon, regardless of that I do think the story of Vorian Atreides was the best part of those prequel books. They screwed up the story and killed him off... could have been a better story

    • @haplozetetic9519
      @haplozetetic9519 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed.

    • @mattmmilli8287
      @mattmmilli8287 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No one wants that 😂 sorry man
      It’s good they have gone their own way and staying Dune and using bits and pieces of that fan fiction stuff

    • @DDanV
      @DDanV หลายเดือนก่อน

      Vorian isn't dead... not here, and not in the books either.

    • @andrewfowler1940
      @andrewfowler1940 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @DDanV I know he's not in the books but what are your thoughts in this show?

    • @andrewfowler1940
      @andrewfowler1940 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mattmmilli8287 I guess I'm confused by your comment. Fans have made this fiction popular. Without the source material this spinoff show wouldn't exist. So why deviate so far from the source material?

  • @playbookshowme484
    @playbookshowme484 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:48 Nooooo... really?

  • @ritchierich2793
    @ritchierich2793 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm calling BS, i dont think we will get to see the ending of this series before it gets cancelled.. its just a nice easter egg for them to bounce around..

  • @Floppy-1235
    @Floppy-1235 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I find the unfolding of dune secrets in a tv show not based on Franks story disappointing

  • @brotherkellymatthewbarnes8882
    @brotherkellymatthewbarnes8882 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I enjoyed this video , and as I have said before I don’t watch this series.

  • @johndevillier2852
    @johndevillier2852 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🖖🏽

  • @josephlamonica4167
    @josephlamonica4167 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Begins the Shadow war has........ Whoops wrong Franchise :P

    • @ewarrior9776
      @ewarrior9776 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would welcome a B5 sequel or reboot. The special effects were cutting edge for 90s TV. Can you imagine what they could do today?

  • @johnfoolery
    @johnfoolery หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still want it to be Erasmus watching in the balcony. The references to Arifel earlier in this season plus the obvious thinking machine use on Desmond's eye are clues. The Tleilax connection is more canon-ish, but then remember that Brian Herbert is a major player in the making of this show, and he was obviously big on the thinking machine war plot arc.

  • @dee0017
    @dee0017 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is it me or are the TLEILAXU the real bad guys in the whole dune serious ?

  • @gmirsky1962
    @gmirsky1962 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I enjoy your commentary and insights.
    Could Sister Theodosia be a deep Tleilaxu mole into the Bene Gessetit sisterhood? How else would the Tleilaxu know so much about the inner workings of the sisterhood?
    Just a guess that would make for interesting plot twist.

  • @westsan
    @westsan หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you’re spot-on
    But, BeneTlelax are not able to reproduce- thry lost love

  • @AdegaOutlaw
    @AdegaOutlaw หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I stopped watching the show, but my money is on the hooded figure being a Bene Gesserit

    • @DDanV
      @DDanV หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I have thought of that as well, but the only ones who could be so disgruntled against the current sisterhood would be Dorotea 's followers and they were all religious fanatics (against the thinking machines), they would never employ the use of thinking machines and that thing working on Desmond Hart's eye and bounding it with the Omnious virus manufacturing pods is a thinking machine.
      But then again... where is Lila's mother? Dorotea's daughter? She doesn't need to be a religious fanatic, she just needs to be disgruntled against the BG for killing her mother. We never saw Lila's mother in the _other memories,_ and Tula was reluctant to answer Lila when she wondered if she would see her mother in the _other memories._ So there's that possibility, but it's all what ifs based on a tart of nothingness.

  • @dieAnthropologischeKonstante
    @dieAnthropologischeKonstante หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:14 read the books -this is the war between the factions

  • @brendolage
    @brendolage หลายเดือนก่อน

    my issue with Dune prophecy is that i don't root for a single character and yet I watch it. I hope it changes for season 2.

  • @Sean-wq5fg
    @Sean-wq5fg หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great analysis as usual. FYI, female chauvinism is misandry.

  • @brotherkellymatthewbarnes8882
    @brotherkellymatthewbarnes8882 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Desmond? Funny he doesn't look Black. I never knew of a Caucasian passing man named Desmond since the 1980's Desmond Llewellyn.

  • @jennabronson4704
    @jennabronson4704 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    They haven’t even touched on the Guild, or mentats. The show has been an overall letdown.

    • @DDanV
      @DDanV หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm pretty sure they won't go deep into the memtats because they have another book to sell to the producing company: _Mentats of Dune._
      This series is losely based on the _Sisterhood of Dune_ book (well, "present day" events are after the book, "past" scenes are suppose to be around or prior the book), so if I was Brian and Kevin I would be holding the mentats off to pitch them as a new series.

  • @thatotherguy4245
    @thatotherguy4245 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Interesting TV series, but what kind of low-effort writing led to a nano-virus that can be sent through line of sight? If you want to kill a character, at least keep it slightly in line with the book universe

    • @DDanV
      @DDanV หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I hate to break it to you... it is in line with the _"book universe"..._ well, Brian Herbert's and Kevin J. Anderson's books.
      And they are canon since Brian is not only the son of the late Frank Herbert but also the managing general of Frank Herbert's Estate (Herbert Properties LLC).
      So Omnious plague virus existed in Brian Herbert's and Keving J. Anderson's books, this is a variation of said virus (changed by the shadowy figure to fit their needs), so... yeah... here we are.

    • @thatotherguy4245
      @thatotherguy4245 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @DDanV Brian Herbert is a stain on his father's legacy

  • @NguyenQuangLuan802
    @NguyenQuangLuan802 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can't kill the Messiah
    - Kane -

  • @joaovictorkelima2551
    @joaovictorkelima2551 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would there be a problem if it was one of the machines that are the main antagonists in Brian's books?
    I ask genuinely, because I have a huge curiosity to read them, but unfortunately Brian's books 7 and 8 have not yet been brought here to my country, only Sisterhood.

    • @haplozetetic9519
      @haplozetetic9519 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm among those who considers the prequel books fan fiction, but at least that would make some sense compared to the disregard for canon so far.

    • @DDanV
      @DDanV หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@haplozetetic9519 regardless if you consider fan fiction, it is canon, specially in this show since it's literally based on the Brian and Kevin expanded universe (occuring after their book _Sisterhood of Dune)_ and they are literally cited as writers for the show (well, writers... so is Frank Herbert and he's been dead for decades... they are writers in the sense that the show occurs in their universe, under their canon and authorized use of it... Brian is also the managing general of Frank Herbert Estate, so he has the last say on the use of the entire Duniverse property).

    • @haplozetetic9519
      @haplozetetic9519 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@DDanV I'm well aware this is technically the case, but it contradicts Frank Herbert's writings. Further, my concerns include the witches using a term like "Shai Hulud" about 8 thousand years before it existed, and only among the Fremen. It is also very unlikely that face dancers were good enough to do as was depicted in the show, if they even existed at that time. There is more, but I don't have the time.

  • @jasongrundy1717
    @jasongrundy1717 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Can you even have a war when one side is a bunch of emotional old ladies nattering amongst themselves? The Bene Gesserit are their own worst enemy in this terrible show.

    • @TomCat-zo5ig
      @TomCat-zo5ig หลายเดือนก่อน

      So bad

    • @Loolsie
      @Loolsie หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

  • @DontwatchB
    @DontwatchB หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is this voice. Surely not a real person. Made me feel sick.

    • @DW-bk5nb
      @DW-bk5nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lmao she’s definitely a person, go watch Quinn’s ideas dune stream w her. However the fact that we can’t discern people from robots maybe the machine wars are upon us

    • @DontwatchB
      @DontwatchB หลายเดือนก่อน

      @DW-bk5nb fair one. I'm English so I guess alot of Americans sound robotic to me nowadays. My bad.

  • @johnny5red42
    @johnny5red42 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That episode sucked. It makes no sense. Why would the princes run away with a traitor! It makes no sense

    • @davidsledge5206
      @davidsledge5206 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because she is in love and people do stupid, illogical things all the time... and the princess already knows that something is wrong in the imperium, so she is open to new perspectives. I guess this means you aren't watching or posting anymore.

    • @DW-bk5nb
      @DW-bk5nb หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The same reason Jessica gave Leto a son despite the ramifications….love