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- Fallout’s Mysterious Sea of Tranquility Conflict
At Concord inside The Museum of Freedom you may have noticed a large mural on the second floor. The placard in front it reads;
“From Lexington and Concord to the shores of Iwo Jima, from the Sea of Tranquility to The Anchorage Front Line, Americans have fought and died through the ages to secure our nation’s freedom. May their sacrifices remind us all that freedom is a privilege afforded to the many yet hard won by a noble few”.
As you can tell the placard is talking about The Revolutionary War, The Second World War, The Sino-American War and The Sea of Tranquillity Conflict.
As of right now the conflict is a complete mystery. There’s no mention of who The United States Armed Forces were fighting, or why they were fighting, or when, all we know is it happened on The Moon.
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Actually, a fallout where you start on the moon and try to make your way to earth to see if anyone survived would be cool
Yo. That's my idea, too! We can add some flavour by having a secret Chinese underground base inside the Moon while the American stay on the surface.
@@sodoe8214 honestly? It would be cool, maybe an ending where the two sides have to understand that the war is over, everyone of their leaders is dead and now it is pointless to fight anymore.
But speaking of that, it would be cool to have a fallout game taking place in Europe, asia and such, or at least some comics, i am curious to see how they fare, what happened.
Heck, why no crossovers? Fallout × Metro? Fallout × splatoon? There are so many possibilities for stories
While it would be cool, it would prob be better as a dlc, in a main game exploration and natural enemys would either be limited or non existant, it would be better as a dlc like mothership Zeta
Imagine the intro sequence though. The soldiers watching all the explosions on the earth so far off. That'd have to be somber. Watching the only place for you to return to get shredded.
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The tether connected to the weapon the astronaut is wielding could be a power line, given that this took place quite a bit before the Great War, energy storage probably wasn't good enough to fit into a pistol, so it could be connected to a backpack battery.
Or it could be cooling, it's pretty difficult to vent heat in a vacuum
It may also be a gas feeding tube, I mean think about it, a hydrazine gun would be pretty efficient
But the suit the guys wearing looks modular like a space version of t51 so how far before is what i was trying to pin down 😆
The most obvious answer here is that it's so the weapon doesn't float into space...
Microfusion cells were only invented a few years before the Great War, so I can definitely imagine this.
Hey. In Fallout, the Space Race was more of an actual conflict. Basically put it down as "who claimed territory on the moon first" in a military way.
Just like for all man kind.
One possibility you didn't address: America lost the Sea of Tranquility War in a decisive and humiliating way. As a result, the jingoistic citizens just kind of ignored that it happened for the most part.
I could see that
Or that it was against an unpopular enemy, such as the European Commonwealth. Europe fought against the Middle East during the Resource Wars, but the moon would have been a completely different battleground. And if the Resource Wars cut into the supplies and materiel that could be sent to the moon, it's not unfeasible that different groups on the moon would have attacked each other in order to get resources necessary to keep their bases running. Hence why it was a 'conflict' rather than a declared war.
My theory is that it was a war against a mutiny. And both sides lost.
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so basically Vietnam 2
Also, yeah, that aircraft, if you pay attention, has two different thrusters when depicted on earth or on the moon, they were retrofitted to operate in the vacuum
If it still has an air intake, then it kinda can't work in a vacuum.
@@Jan_Strzelecki it seems inspired by the modified F-104 that had a rocket engine and RCS controls added for high altitude tests.
@@Yaivenov Y'know, actually, now that I think about it, I don't think that Bethesda would know or _care_ about making their design plausible, so it might just as well _be_ a rocket fighter _with_ an air intake.
Perhaps that moon base is where all the enclave and vault TEC elite went when the bombs dropped. Maybe this is Bethesda's way of setting up a storyline that involves the enclave and vault TEC finally getting their comeuppance.
That is a cool idea
they weant to the oil rig
They already got their comeuppance, their plans were cut short by the war and they all went to the oil rig and died, somehow resurrected and went to DC.
Whoops sorry, not that knowledgeable on old lore. I knew the oil rig was their "capitol" so to speak but I didn't know all the big bads that orchestrated the great war were on that rig.
I still feel as though Bethesda could be setting something up with this. Perhaps a future dlc or something. It's too cool of a topic for them to never touch it again, right?
@@st0rts11D4 I’ve always thought there was more to the story. When I first saw the mural I fully expected to see some sort of dlc for Fallout 4 that would explore this lore further, but they never even brought it up again. Which was very odd to me considering Nuka World had SO MUCH space themed stuff. Now I think it was purposely placed there as a subtle hint for a future Fallout game. Kind of like how Fallout 3 left subtle hints at “the Commonwealth” and the Institute with the quest “the replicated man.” I don’t think that’s going to be its location or anything but I wouldn’t be surprised if a future Fallout game goes further into detail on the war that took place on the moon. Maybe we could have a dlc that explores the U.S. government’s military moon base. Maybe the Enclave or Vault Tec still has remnants up there, who knows. Very intriguing to think about.
I think that the Sea of tranquility war was actually fought between the U.S. armed forces stationed there and the Zetans, but after the conflict the government decided to blame it on communists in order to prevent a mass panic.
That's actually a great idea expecially cause we KNOW the government knew about aliens
3:50 considering the fact that we don't see any sign of enemy (and one historical example of such silence), and the general "fight for preservation of freedom" narrative, I think, that this could be a war with Soviet Union.
Remember that crazy guy from NV claiming that communists want to take over the moon? This could mean that war actually was fought by US and some communist nation, either USSR or China.
Why was it USSR, and not China? Because, as we know from Black Isle games, USSR got the relations normalized with US soon before the war with China and nuclear bombings, to the point of soviet consul and his family finding refuge in the Vault. If Sea of Tranquility Conflict would be against China, there would be no attempt to silence it.
The historical example of similar silence would be the soviet perspective on Finnish participation in Great Patriotic War/Continuation War. Soviets valued friendly relations with postwar Finland, since it was one of the several foreign trade gateways, a market for industrial goods (miliary tech in particular) and few other reasons, so the research or attracting public attention to the role finnish army played in 1941-44 wasn't really approved of. It was known, but not actively mentioned in media. For example, a cult classic novel The Dawns Here Are Quiet (that was later adapted as a cult classic movie) was supposed to feature finnish recon group as the antagonists. Instead they had to be replaced with germans.
So, why couldn't it be USSR?
that sounds plausiable as the US wanted as many allies in their side when the resource wars hit so maybe they tried to hush hush that it was the USSR that was trying to take the moon for themselves in order to keep international relations stable and just fed the media with patriotic soundbites. the moon can't be accessed easily so its easier to hide the truth from the masses
I really like this explanation, especially since it gives of major 1984 vibes with the changing enemies and rewriting of history.
Yeah... because humans are definitely the only race to have the ability to travel in space in Fallout...
Oh wait...
What if communists did take over the moon. And they're still up there chillin.
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A moon vault would make for an interesting game opening.
True. Your character was born and grew up in a low-G environment with the mission to restore the USA on Earth, but the moment you land, Earth's gravity is crushing your weak body.
I think that instead of China, they fought the USSR. No proof for this but I think it would be a great parallel to the Space Race with the USSR in our timeline.
I was just about to suggest/ask the same thing. For a while now I've been wondering what Russia has been doing during all this. The only thing I was going to add was maybe the U.S. lost that conflict and so didn't want to document too much of a defeat, aside from the propagandist mural showing how heroic they were?
@Deady Bear China took over Russia before the fall of the ussr, as well as all satellite countries. Russia was no longer a country post ww2
Why not the Zetans?
@@26th_Primarch Because the Zetans would have steam rolled the US and the US would have asked for help against the aliens, uniting manking to fend off the aliens and steal their resources.
@@agentc7020 It could've been an minor skirmish with the Zetans, in the case where America lost, but documented it in a heroic way, trying to avoid documenting defeats.
The cable/conduit from the hand held weapon to the Back of it's wielder is a power conduit for prolonged firing . Space suite are difficult to reload a clip with .
Magazine.
@@Thompc82 he didnt specify a weapon and it would also be difficult to reload a clip fed firearm in a spacesuit
Also probably a tether for retention
It could easily be a cooling system.
For those who don’t know, the only way to get rid of heat in a vacuum is to radiate it away in the form of infrared radiation. Infrared radiation is what thermal cameras see in.
In an atmosphere, air particles touch a hot object and absorb thermal energy from it. This process is many times faster at cooling an object than just radiating the heat.
Since radiating heat is so slow, it means any weapons used in space will very rapidly overheat. Firearms eject brass casings which absorb some of the heat, but even so, guns will rapidly overheat in space. If the ammo is caseless like in Starfield, there is no heat sink at all for the gun, and it will overheat fast… Obviously Bethesda still has no idea how guns work and thinks caseless ammo is a good fit for space.
Lasers are very inefficient weapons. Most of the energy which passes into them is not shot out in the form of a laser beam, but stays inside the laser in the form of thermal energy - heat. This means that in any space application, a laser would be in serious danger of melting down.
We don’t have plasma weapons in real life, but I think they’d have the same problem as lasers.
The cord in the mural could be cycling coolant through the weapon to keep it from melting down. This heat would then get deposited in a heat sink in the backpack, and potentially transferred to a radiator after combat to get rid of the heat.
@@Thompc82Microfusion Cell.
another odd thing about the mural
1:00 shows the battleship USS Missouri, made explicitly clear by including the hull number. this would make sense considering she's the battleship that the surrender of japan was signed on.
what makes this odd is that if you look at the ship on the mural it has 4 turrets instead of the Iowa classes' 3, making the Missouri a Montana class, which never got built IRL.
this could be just an art goof, but i find that unlikely given the Iowa class is probably the most photographed class of ships in history so an abundance of reference material would be available. so this makes it a change that predates the end of WWII.
It's a common misconception that Fallout's canon "diverged" at some point from our timeline. Some say this is WWII, some day it was the inventor of the transistor being hit by a car, but none of that is actually canon. In reality, fallout has always been separate, with people making slight changes all throughout history
@@theencolony5595It's not TF2 Abe Lincoln Pyro levels of nuts, but it's up there.
@@theencolony5595 uh, source?
@@theencolony5595 That's already how it's perceived. Nobody with actual investment in the causality of Fallout thought it boils down to "John Computer didn't want to work today". When people articulate it as there being a single point of divergence, they just mean that the epicenter of change lies in the fusion vs. computers situation.
Any point before that would function like the example of Hitler in time travel - you can't kill him as the universe will bend over backwards to prevent his death. The point of divergence would be the moment where this rule can officially be broken, the universe would stop self-correcting.
@@MatthewT394 lorenzo in fallout 4 is immortal and talk about alien visiting earth thousands of years ago, and he was already immortal for at least 20. years before the great war
I would have assumed the craziest and bleakest option: that the conflict hadn't happened yet but the military was assuming a conflict would happen there. That they were making monuments to something they thought was going to happen and already selling it to the public as a moment of glory. But they got nuked instead of following the plan.
That really doesn't make sense lol
@@LordVader1094 depends how demented and dedicated to manipulation you are
@@LordVader1094 it could
Then why was it before Operation Anchorage on the mural?
@@battlesheep2552 Yeah, that's a pretty good point. Still pretty believable in universe!
I've always viewed the Sea of Tranquility conflict as the race to the moon more than an armed conflict
A race in the Fallout world often turns to violence, so this makes a lot of sense.
I just assumed it was a battle determining who controls the moon (and can thus set up missiles and such on it to attack their enemies. Or establish shelters for their future people in the case of planetary conflict (IE, the great war), there could very well be an entire settlement on the moon in Fallout, waiting for the radiation to clear so they can return to earth)
Figured it was more about its strategic location being a large satellite that can house countless weapons of mass destruction from relative safety, rather than about the raw resources on it
If it was a simple race, it wouldn't be commemorated in the way it is, with soldiers, and weapons there. Yes, there could've been some conflict, but not ON the moon, the conflicts would've been on the ground, preventing the other from going, or in the sky, shooting down the rockets
Yep. Just the fallout universe version of the space wars we had to reach the moon
Yep, just feels like even more of a dick-measuring contest than the real Space Race, with an Aerospace Administration even more closely tied to the military structure of the government.
If astronauts are considered part of the military, and the moon is considered a bold exploration of a final frontier, then the landings on the Sea of Tranquility are indeed 'our brave troops winning for America and Apple Pie up there on the Moon!' even without a shot in anger.
And explains why America can simply stop going, as the resource war makes such action a costly distraction
It's the most reasonable explanation for a complete lack of detail about any armed lunar conflicts, and yet their inclusion in the environmental storytelling of Fallout 3 and 4
@@EvelynnWinters2000 I sure hope it wouldn't be moon weapons. That is very dumb. What the moon does have a lot of is Tritium (H3) which is very useful for nuclear fusion. And we all know how prevalent fusion tech is in the world of Fallout.
Sea of Tranquility is such a cool name for a location honestly, and I kinda wish we'd go to the moon more in real life just to explore that area. But to imagine an actual armed conflict there? I'm getting 40k Luna wolf vibes from that.
I suppose if you were too look at the design choices for a lot of military vehicles. The Stingray deluxe could be a void/atmospheric attack craft, owing to its unique design. And if they thought the next conflict could be in the void of space or extraplanetary bodies they'd need a fully sealed APC, Infantry armour (possible with power armour) aswell as Armoured support, hence this could be why every design in fallout look so radically different to military vehicles today
My guess is that it was either the Soviet Union which never fell in the Fallout universe OR it was a country that the USA would normally view as an Ally. I tend to think it was the 2nd one. If it was China they would have it the start of the Sino-American war. The 3rd possibility is the most Fallout and one or more companies fund the US Military to "Jump" somebody else's claim and try and take it.
But wasn't America entirely allied with the Soviet Union in this timeline to the point that the USSR was in a bigger rivalry with China than America. And didn't that result in them going into war with the Soviets winning to the point they took and annexed Manchuria?
@@GLASSMOSCOWANDBEIJING We still don't know when war on the Moon even began so its not out of possibility for US and USSR to fight each other on lunar surface and then decades latter became allies when common threat of China rised up. Thats actually could explain lack of knowledge about against whom Americans waged war - from propaganda stand point it would be strange to praise victory against "literal evil" while on the same time having good relationships with it.
It never collapsed in Fallout canon, but was overshadowed by the rising China
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@@ComfortsSpecter Is there a part of the lore that I'm not aware of? In the first Fallout one of the premade characters was a descendant of Soviet Ambassador in US
I’m so glad to see someone make a video about this. I don’t think this lore has been paid as much attention as it should. With the inclusion of this lore and the warfare that obviously took place on the moon according to the mural it opens up so many possibilities. Obviously there has to be several military bases / facilities located on the moon which means there has to be a lot of supporting infrastructure set up on the moon as well. Are there still remnants of the U.S. government, or the Enclave up there? And what about Vault Tec , are the leaders of Vault Tec still up there hidden away, still monitoring their insane vault experiments? Or maybe they were even trapped on their moon base after the Great War and all died off having no way to get back to earth. So many questions that just make the mind wonder.
I always enjoyed how you structured your videos. Instead of simply talking about the lore itself, you describe it in the perspective of someone within the universe.
Synonym! You're back! We've missed you 💕 glad you are feeling better. Thank you for a great video
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@@j-bob_oreo it's a shortened version of the name. And considering he hearted my comment, he approves of my nickname for him 🤗
I would really enjoy checking out the Van Buren timeline. From what references I have it scene it sounds like it had some very interesting story and world building.
All your lore stuff gets my brain cooking. Love hearing all the fun facts and theories! Fallout is so damn fun
The mystery pistol is probably an early laser pistol, and the cable is its power source.
Bro I had been looking at that mural everytime I países trought Cocord on Fallout 4 because I think its a banger art but I never thought that the space section was dedicated to a war, your content is some of the top noch in the fallout comunity 🙏
Glad you’re back! I’ve recently been getting back into Fallout 76 and have found numerous different video ideas that may soon be explored on this channel. Some of these topics include what happened with Fort Defiance, some of the different Vaults in Fallout 76 and their purpose, the Brotherhood of Steel’s story when coming to Appalachia, or even the USSA and their activities before and after the war. These are just a few suggestions for topics some may find interesting. Keep it up :)
couldve been Zetans, and the overall intensity of the cold war until 2077 kindve distracted from them making it really well known, remember it still wouldve been fresh in the memories of the citizens when the bombs dropped, only being a 20 year old war. Like Americans remembering the Gulf war or desert storm- it was just overshadowed by a larger conflict
could be they thought they wiped the Zetans out entirely, who knows xD
7:38 I think it's actually a powerline, because it would be hard to reload any weapon in space, and probably to avoid space debris if reloaded on an orbital EVA.
Hypothetically I could see the Tranquility conflict as a Corporate war over resources that they US military stepped in on and just claimed all the territory. Could explain why its more of a foot note if where things started to go either bad or good, than a major turning point in the Fallout lore...
When I saw the title of the video, I'm like "how is this guy going to do 10 minutes off a single sentence?" As always you never disappoint with your deep lore dives. Great video
why isnt that a dlc
They could do it as another simulation like operation Anchorage
nice video!! lore was pretty dope, congrats on 200K!
Thank you!
I have an alternative idea.
The lack of information found in game makes me believe the conflict had some degree of shame associated with it or was mostly classified.
With the realization that resources were dwindling and conflict looming I think there was a portion of the government or elite with an escapist plan to colonize the moon and space while the planet gets nuked.
This would have led to split factions and a possibility of a small scale civil war that the general public would have little information on with most of it being propaganda.
Nice to see you making vids again. Also I’m not saying it was Zetans but it was Zetans
I’ve always found this extremely interesting. Thanks for bringing the topic more main stream.
What if it was aliens
It would be very interesting to see a dlc set on the moon it could possibly cover the colonies of the moon and the different factions there.
Just subbed went back and watched all your videos I’m a huge Fallout fan and really love your stuff. Hope you’re planning on an NCR history video keep up the great work
Always a good day when Synonymous posts. Missed you buddy!
I like how even though theres a transcript he still puts in the time to get the first few seconds in his description. ♥️
I've recently gotten addicted to fallout and love all of your videos
Never once thought of what that mural meant.
Sidebar: I wonder if it is easy to sort out who the artist is (real world, not in-game). They did a great job.
That line might also be connected to a power pack kind of like some of the weapons in Warhammer 40K where the laser-based weapon is plugged into a backpack that is a massive battery/reactor to provide hundreds or even thousands of shots. In theory, laser weapons in fallout could be plugged into a battery pack as the small power cells that fuel the weapons are effectively tiny reaction chambers.
Most likely, the laser weaponry utilized by the United States before some kind of superconducting and fusion power technology, resulting in more compact variants.
@@spazzey0 I also considered that as well. Realistically it would still have value as power armor conceptual (due to game design not requiring it) has no means of carrying ammo. Having a power pack for basic weapons would be a good stand in for a lack of pockets or fighting rig for magazines. If fusion cores were better I'd even argue you could just plug specialty weapons into your armor like a wall outlet lol
There NEEDS to be a Fallout Game that shows what happened...
Either we go there or a simulation Anchorage-style
Always thought this mural was cool when I first saw it back when I was 12. Lovely to see a lore vid on it!
2015 was that long ago 😔
Missed your videos, my brother. Glad you're feeling better and back to recording. As usual, well done on the video.
I theorize that the reason it's not discussed could be that the enemy was other Americans that wanted independence from the USSA
I'm still curious about the success of the Alantropa Project. This was an idea proposed in the 1920s of draining the Mediterranean Sea to make more living space and agricultural development. According to the map in the DIA switchboard, this project was pursued and the Mediterranean does not exist in the fallout universe
Regular firearms don't really work in space. The vacuum means the heat from firing doesn't dissipate, and the metal on metal will eventually friction weld the parts together.
Also the gun you mentioned could have shut down major life support systems on space suits so i think logically that is the right weapon
I always thought Bethesda had a plan to use this space war as some type of DLC. I have no doubt we haven’t seen the last of this.
If only it hadn't been 5 years since Bethesda released a game with nothing in the way of indication another is on the way, save for a trailer for "The Elder Scrolls 6" with no title, gameplay, or release date
It would be neat to center a fallout campaign around one of the lost military ships. Filled with soldiers,scientists and engineers, shot off course and unknowing of the last 200 years. Now that they’re coming home, it’s a race for factions for who can take control of or destroy this craft as its research, technology and warfare capabilities would be a game changer
Glad to see a video from you again i've just re-watched a couple of them last night haha
The Astronaut's weapon is most likely a laser weapon since due to the moons almost non-existent atmosphere, the light would not loose strength over distance which would give it longer range and more power than on earth. Since swapping out power cells in a space suit in low gravity whilst under fire would be suicidal, the cord would most likely be a continuous feed power cable connected to a fusion power pack. As for the conflict itself, wasn't VB supposed to have a mission on the moon? I'm sure I've heard something about this in the past.
The Delta IX rocket can go to the moon with a certain payload. If you out multiple nukes, that are heavier, on it, the range suddenly shrinks dramatically
Love this vid! Nice job collecting the info
My theory, and I know it's silly, but judging from the Mothership Zeta DLC in fallout 3 I would hazard a guess that first contact was made on the moon and it didn't go well for the humans, but as someone else said given America's pride meant that it was largely not talked about despite being a milestone moment in human history.
The war was fought over whaling rights
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The Sea of Tranquility conflict might also have been a reason for the Y-17 Trauma Override Harness, from Big MT. The design of it would easily allow it to become the standard spacesuit and it had the ability to "walk" autonomously along with engaging enemies while the user was unconscious or injured to the point they couldn't fight, something very important in low gravity situations as moving is hard enough, and evacuating a casualty would be near impossible.
You're deep dives on lore are amazing
Got picked up for another season, made an AWESOME breakfast burrito, my kids in a great mood, AND A NEW SYNONYMOUS VIDEO!?!?
i like the idea of a brief conflict on the moon just cheesy enough for fallouts goofier side
Congratulations for hitting 200k subs🎉🎉
Great video! I think your own inclusion of the Van Buren details that later became DLC for Fallout New Vegas is key to understanding the Sea of Tranquility event. The studios, STUDIOS, involved in making the Fallout games have done a great job of world building on key elements the fan base has responded to. Look at the BoS lore building that's been done across generations, or the sympathetic super mutant/Nightkin communities. I feel that Fallout 4 had a very specific story they wanted to tell, but felt free to leave dangling threads that could later be pulled upon.
That sure would be fun if there’s still a decaying, surviving colony on the moon!
Enclave moon base perhaps??
Could this link into the vaults being test runs for long distance space travel? The moon is mentioned (indirectly) quite a lot.
I think we all fought back against the zetans (the actual reason we don't go to the moon now).
great video as always
Given that the Soviet Union survived in the Fallout universe, and were on friendlier terms with the US, they likely have a base on the moon themselves, given in our own world the technologies they built during the Space age and their experimentation with energy weapons. So I'd consider them as an observer in the Sea of Tranquility conflict as well.
I suspect that Synonymous has put more thought into the Sea of Tranquility Conflict than anyone at Bethesda did.
Isn't that the definition of a cult piece of media? Look at the expanded Star wars universe. George Lucas could have spent every waking moment of his life writing the galaxy far far away and he wouldn't have made a dent in the media there is now (books, games, computer games, TV shows, comics, audiobook/plays and then all the fan created stuff on TH-cam etc)
I think it was a throwaway reference. I actually hoped for a DLC, would've been worthwhile, maybe set in a crater, with lunar bases/vaults, ghoul survivors, robots pointlessly continuing the war, perfectly preserved habitats made with a functioning GECK, maybe crashed aliens, some cool lunar themed energy/plasma weapons and power armor, stuff like that.
I love stuff like this that are just pieces of forgotten lore.
If they make a fallout based in Texas should definitely be in Houston since NASA is based there perfect way to get space involved with fallout again, Maybe even get a dlc based around launching a rocket to space to go to the moon base that may or may not be abandoned
Hell yes, that would make a lot of sense actually. I also believe it would rather be a DLC than part of the main story.
They don’t really launch out of Texas ( not until recently anyhow)
Oh you know Bethesda is going to sprinkle some of this info into star-field.
I don't think they ended up sprinkling much of anything into starfield
I haven’t seen anyone bringing up Jason Bright. Him and his ghoul tribe survived on the moon, so it’s not likely that aliens still inhabit it.
Bro I've been waiting for this one ever since you casually mentioned it in one of your videos.
They were fighting space Nazis
I personally like to think it was Xetans. They couldn't hide the fact that a fight was happening, because, as you said, the fight was happening where it would have been visible to anyone with a decent telescope. So, they blamed the fighting on the Chinese or the Europeans, or whoever was the most convenient scapegoat that they needed to galvanize the people against.
Also possible first USSR and US were having small conflicts up there, limited resources and manpower.. but as soon as nuclear war happened the aliens easily damaged the human facilities, soace stations. would be an excellent dlc or mod exploring such locations
You can see ww1 on the mural with the tanks and planes but it's in the background.
Something similar to the Vietnam war as well with the tank and helicopter between ww2 and the sea of tranquility.
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It was probably them moon whale hopefully they brought their trusty harpoon
Couldn't the geck be used on Mars
Hell yeah! was thinkin about this channel yesterday
There are welding torches that work without oxygen, so it's possible to still be a flamethrower of some kind
What if not much is said about the conflict at Sea Of Tranquility because most details were lost due to downed communication systems? Destroying long distance communications would be a high priority for any attacker.
I think the problem is that it's a case of overthinking it. Since we don't even know if they were explicately referring to the moon when saying the Sea of Tranquility and if you only look at mural while ignoring that line it more likely conveys an idea of moving into the future where they hopefully colonize space. And even if it is related it's probably just referring to space travel casualties with a more militarized NASA between WW2 and The Great War in times of peace rather than a proper war.
But saying these astornauts died protecting freedom if it was really just an accident during a space mission is a bit of a weird way to put.
I've been going through the heaviest Fallout phase of my life, and you are single handedly responsible for it.
One thing i can argue is... the zeta's on 2 factors... the usa was aware of their existance and the fact the conflict goes out of its way to avoid saying who they fought
This could be included in Starfield! Landing on the moon and finding ancient relics from the conflict. Pieces of old spacesuits, weapons and so on. Perhaps even ancient, partially corrupted voice logs! Wouldn't even have to be all that much, just something to flesh it out a bit. That would be huge.
It would probably cause continuity issues in the Fallout universe but who cares. Plenty of those anyway.
given enough time between events itd make sense, maybe a few thousand years or so
hey! love the channel, i myself often lose interest in fallout. how do you find it to keep playing?
For me, it's mostly because I crave adventure. Any game that has adventure, I love it dearly. Fallout 3 and 4 have excellent moments that would leave any adventurer in shock-and-awe. That's the reason why I play mostly BGS (Bethesda Game Studios) games. They always have the adventure in mind first and foremost. Like, what can the player do aside from doing the main quest? These games allow you to put off the story and create your own adventure! Starfield will be no different. ;)
Maybe play some other games? Widen your horizon, there is a lot of cool stuff out there.
Congratulations on 200k! We've made it!
This is why fallout remains one of the best games ever the lore and attention to detail is sooo deep
“Ohhhh where whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain’t no whales so we tell tall tales and sing our whaling tune!”
We really need a decent single player fallout game now more than ever...I'll even settle for a FO:NV remaster at this point
Thank you for this gem 💎 💖
that could be an awesome DLC...
As for the lack of documentation, it's likely the USSA just lost REALLY badly and want to just gloss over it rather than use WAY more propaganda
The Communists went to the moon to paint a Lenin face on it.
Something interesting to note, is that the Virgo II is very clearly an LK lander made by the soviets which implies that the Soviets and USA teamed up for the moon landing.
In Fallout 76 during one of the more recent seasons one of the rewards from the SCORE board was a power armor appearance that is a Space suit variant and more importantly has the Enclave insignia on it.