Firstly, iIm not advocating for more pollution, I'm on the same page as all of you, but to all those people getting on a high horse about chemicals in the ocean (or lake) from a puff of PTFE on some line think about how many anglers use boats for fishing, with outboard engines running exhausts, 2 stroke etc into the water. Not to mention commercial fishing and other commercial marine activity. I'm not advocating for more pollution, recreational anglers have their duty too, but i think hating on the chemical aspect of this video is misguided and pollution from nearly all other avenues would be more of a concern. Just my 2 cents.... Thanks for the video.
@@AndrewsKnotsyes you could put it together better Andrew. This argument uses false equivalency, PTFE is a forever chemical that never breaks down, all the examples of pollution above are of degradable hydrocarbons or even gases which is a bizarre comparison. None of the hydrocarbons listed above are forever chemicals. Secondly there’s a logic trap set that is easy to fall into, that is because there are greater pollutants around adding one more just won’t matter. You can see already the fallacy of this as a reason to disregard this forever chemical.
Your 2 cents worth is worth, 2 cents, here’s the other 98 cents. Two fatal flaws in your argument, false equivalency and an illogical conclusion. It is simply not a fair comparison to put up hydrocarbon pollution and carbon monoxide (exhaust fumes) as an equivalent to PTFE pollution. Hydrocarbons are not “forever chemicals” but PTFE and its ‘neighbours’ (PFAS) are “forever chemicals”, they never break down, ever. “PTFE is one of the best-known and widely applied PFAS commonly described as persistent organic pollutants or "forever chemicals".” The danger of persistent organics is that they find their way into the food chain and stay there forever, they bio accumulate from plants and microorganisms being eaten by larger organisms which, in turn, are consumed by more animals higher in the food chain, each time they ‘step up’ in the food chain their concentration grows. A large fish taken from the top of the food chain has accumulated all the chemicals in tiny amounts until the amounts become carcinogenic or otherwise toxic. The supposedly comparable pollutants you mentioned don’t do that. At some point they degrade or they simply cannot be transported up the food chain. “Fish (or other aquatic animals) that live in PFAS-contaminated waters may contain PFAS. In some instances, if you consume too much fish from PFAS-contaminated waters, you may exceed the Tolerable Daily Intakes for PFOS, PFOA and PFHxS.” In simple terms, the old argument of ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ applies. It is not logical to feel vindicated to add another pollutant because others exist. As I’ve shown the forever chemicals are more dangerous in tiny amounts than some other pollutants in larger amounts. The dramatic evolution of battery technology and possibly hydrogen as an energy source will eventually do away with hydrocarbons in the boating industry. After which their pollutants will leave the ecosystem but the forever chemicals will stay forever waiting for additional molecules to add to their position in the biomass. The history of PTFE has been a troubled one and in its various forms it has been proven to be carcinogenic and each time legislation has had to be enacted to prevent its use. The spinoff company of DuPont’s, Chemours, makes PTFE and its formulation has changed a few times to try and eliminate the carcinogenic compounds. In its current form it is claimed to be non toxic to humans. A claim that has been made a few times over the decades until this was found to be false and the compounds changed. I would hate to see a future where the current PTFE is following in the footsteps of its forbears. Whether it is safe to add to the water now is unknown but its chemical composition will still find its way into the food chain due to its almost indestructible chemical bonds.
In Portugal and Spain we use very thin monos for beach fishing like 0.16mm diameter line. Mono in these diameters deteriorates really fast so we use silicone spray to conserve the line and lubricate it so it casts further
Thanks great video, I used it on my 4# old braid and it works well. I saturated the outer layer before the cast then the inner layer after the cast. Works really well just so it before the line gets wet. Thanks again for the info
Nice video. I'm thinking of using silicone tire shine to lubricate my fishing line because I feel braided lines are prone to abrasion on baitcasters due to intense casting
Andrew's Knots - no it’s not that, it’s called Inox m3, I’d post a link except I can’t on this device, but it’s a non petrochemical, lanolin based protective spray/lubricant that I use on everything that gets wet. I used to find a salty, stiffening buildup in the body of my braid, but not since I started using the Inox. I spray the interior of my tackle boxes with it too, hooks don’t rust, seems to keep everything flexible, non greasy and newish, but it could well be just a placebo effect too :)
www.pendleslotracing.co.uk/inox-mx3-lubricant-spray-bottle-125ml.html Hey is this one? I'm using varivas for quite some time now, but the supply is missing lately and I need some alternatives. I'll prefer something not toxic if I can ofc.
I believe if what you want is smoother propulsion for longer and more accurate casts, then I believe spraying PTFE (Teflon) on braid would help but there is also the issue of petro-chemicals in the line which repels fish (scent). This is reason why spraying WD-40 and any kind of lubricants onto reels is a bad idea. Generally depending your area fishing style and requirement. If I want better casting distance, I would rather wash my line after every fishing trip (remove gunk and oil) and reel in tight and tidy back onto reel. To reduce friction when casting, you can upgrade to 8x braid which is rounder than 4x braid. Adding a 2ft length of 100% Fluorocarbon leader also helps with smoother casts as FC is very smooth. Generally, I want to avoid exposing any part of line, rod and reel to any sort of petro-chemicals. Eg. Insect repellent and sun screen lotions.
I understand what you are saying BUT the actual PTFE amount in one can, which will last a year or so and the damage to the environment is probably much less than a few mile car drive to supermarket for grocecies shopping (not even talking about the plastic packaging). Also, line lasts much longer with the spray, so, less of it needed to procude etc.
@@AndrewsKnots also you should mention that you ARE NOT spraying ptfe in to water. You spray it on the braided line, and it vaporises, leaving some oils to lube it.. so the text on the can about the toxicity is mentioned so stupid people would not throw this can in to the water...
I've used WD-40 as an attractant for Rainbow Trout for years when I lived in Nevada. It actually worked so well that it became outlawed because certain lakes couldn't get stocked fast enough. So yeah, it works.
Very great trick one question should i be carefull when apllying it because in my experience standart wd40 would penetrate in the real destroying the grease. Also i have shimano's kairiki braid is it good??
This stuff dries out fast, so, I don't think it will be a problem. I can't comment on the Kairiki BUT most braids are more similar than different (Dyneema based) and I tried on 3 or 4 different ones with good results. 👌
I stopped using any lube containing PTFE on my mountain bike in case it gets into the waterways, I certainly wouldn't spray anything containing microplastics like PTFE onto something I was deliberately going to put in the water! bad form Andrew. love your vids and great tips, but this one is a no-no for me.
Fair enough. To my understand PTFE is fancier plastic. So, if we buy food which is wrapped in plastic which will end up in the ground or the ocean, then a few drops of this spray is nothing really. This stuff also will make braid last longer, so in return less braid will be produced (also wrapped on plastic spool).. At least that is my understanding. 👍
@@khairaamira6516 reason is simple. I just started second feeder season with my feeder that had new braid line year ago, now i tryed to fish, and i when i cast like 1 every 15th cast, i get weird thing that the line gets tangled against tip itself while casting, and it just "brakes off the cast" and when i real in it just magicaly un-tangles. THat was never never happen in my previous season, i was beleave that is something wrong with my fishing line, with is x4. So i will try this lube.
Wouldn't the solvents mixed with PTFE deteriorate the line? Have you done any experiment to see if you lose strength? I know regular WD40 does have negative effects on some types of polymers in the long run, but not sure about the 'dry lube'. And thanks for the video.
No, I have not done any tests. With this PTFE stuff, braid lasts longer for me and also other properties are better as explained. That's enough for me.
Now two years after the video, what is your thought on the dry PTFE on the braided line tip? Have you found something better, or is this still your go-to method?
From time to time I search for lanolin based spray to try it out BUT here in the UK I can't find any at decent prices. As a result, still use WD40 PTFE. This WD40 PTFE still works it's magic on the braids.
@@AndrewsKnots Why would you even need that? With right fishing set up and everything balanced there should be no need for these gimmicks. I think this is unnecessary pollution. Safety data sheet says: Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects. Be better than this, stop using it on the waters. I know there are things that are more Toxic and pollutes In bigger scale, but why still choose something that is not necessary when you have the option to choose wisely and make even a small difference?
Check the reel first. Copper + Silicone. No no. 10m safe area. Chemical reaction. Copper + silicone meets air. Abaut one day and everything is green. Rust.
From what you said, I can easy recommend looking at th-cam.com/video/JIxmhzHJuY8/w-d-xo.html You will enjoy using it and it's not super expensive either! I have 2 of them.. 👍 Cheers
Great video, when loading the braid on the spool try reeling it through a slice in a raw potato, this helps stiffen the braid and helps it sink, a very good polish feeder angler told this tip and it really works, I think it's to do with the starch in the potatoe,. Berkley fireline original has been my braid of choice for years now, it's very wirey, never get wind knots or any type of over runs on the spool with it.
I wanted to try this and it was doing my own research on different lubricants I came across the fact that this family of chemicals is known to be toxic in the case of Teflon coated pans. This newer version which is not outlawed in Europe or the United States is inconclusive about its toxicity so at this point it's legal but you have to consider that as more of a solid form gases off while heated. This lubricant form is going to be highly soluble because of its application design...and it has one mahor problem it doesn't ever biodegrade. It's what they call a forever chemical. Even a silicone-based lubricant could take 500 years. I wanted to use this but I accidentally learned it never breaks down. I think it's great for any hard surface adherence applications like door, hinges, sliders, and cutting blades, Things that you're not constantly washing into a water source. but rather just in a shop or on fixtures and tools But I think something that you're constantly adding to water especially like a lake ecosystem system we should probably think about....I'm unfortunately deciding against it I really wanted to use this because of its inherent properties and the cost-effectiveness for its application. Hate to be the bearer of bad news that may or may not affect your consciousness. I unfortunately wanted to share that it was a forever chemical non-biodegradable. I wasted eight bucks on it at Walmart and almost still used it. Looking up with Varivas was sharing about their chemical composition they say it's a silicone base and environmentally friendly but I'm not sure I believe that entirely because it also has fluoropoly the chemicals in it also.. again if this was in a more stable fixed molecular structure but it is individual free-flowing molecules acting as the lubricant that are going to dissipate and dissolve.
Thanks for sharing! Was wondering about all of this. KVD Line and Lure has bold claims about its proprietary polymers being non-toxic (and anectdotally people say it works well). From what i know about other industries that could just mean they made an insignificant molecular alteration to something known to be toxic just so theres no proof of it being toxic (yet). Ill probably stick with that - maybe less of it or less often or at the end of the day when it when it has a better chance to adhere (it claims no solvents so probably nothing to evaporate). I thought the video creator had a good point in the comments about line lasting longer being conversely positive for environment. Ill never be perfect but i dont want to support useless pollution. Another commenter mentioned raw potato but im afraid that would attract microorganisms aka get nasty. Now im looking into bees/parafin wax. Would be interested in your thoughts on KVD L&L and bees/parafin wax!
Thanks Andrew. I have another way of using it that I can recommend too. I spray it all into the water where I go fishing and try to aim for the slick. Hydro dipping style...
Just sprayed my KTF spool full of braid with this stuff I'm hoping it will cast further like you say it does.Also do you think it's a good idea to spray full ceramic bearings with this stuff???
Most, if not all braided lines on the market contain chemicals... whether from their own ptfe (or similar) coating or chemical dyes used to color the braid, so yeah...best not to use braid if you think that. And who’s to say that mono and Fluoro don’t have some sort of coating?
I have been doing a lot of reading regarding the use of WD-40 on fishing gear and after every fishing trip (salt water), I wash the entire rod and reel with fresh water and I use a clean rag lightly; however, when I get home I use WD-40 on the reel and braid. Most people think that it is just a lubricant...it is not, it's a very effective "moisture extractor", it keeps corrosion from salt water away from the reel and salt particles away from the braid; by the time I am out fishing again, the environmental consequences are none. Most of all human sewer waste and industrial goes into the oceans untreated in most of the world, and let's not get into the plastics tragedy coming from mostly Asia, relax and enjoy your fishing, good fishing gear is not cheap; I take care of mine. This is good advise from Andrew. Thx.
The WD in WD-40 stands for Water Displacement. So WD-40 is Water Displacement Formula No. 40. It was developed to displace water on the Atlas rocket. The outer skin was also the fuel tank. The cold fuel caused condensation and rusting. WD-40 fixed that problem.
Fyi for those who dont know, the wd40 brand ptfe dry lube in the video also displaces water (probably not quite as well). Proper Wd40 is a mix of solvent and light oil, but i think its risky to use around a reel (especially if not tightly sealed). The ptfe dry lube spray might technically have an evaporating solvent carrier but if so i think its less gnarly and much safer to use around bearings and line.
Love watching your videos buddy. Just subscribed !! Any chance you could give me some ideas on a great perch spinning outfit that you would recommend ??? Cheers buddy and keep them videos coming .. all the best to ya 🎣👍🏽😀
Great tip, I will try it. The thing is that most people have only the regular version of WD-40 and will be tempted to try that one instead :D I wonder where is the limit. I personally have laying at home some anti-friction silicone lubricunt. I guess I need to try this on my old reel. P.S. I also have a baitcaster reel, do you think it would benefit the same way?
@@dirkdiggler2430 all the braided line has been coated by many chemicals agent anyway while manufacturing....try to pick up good point of this tutorial...or u can use close environmental tools as like those had been used at primitive Era..
@@김승훈-c7p so if I spray wd40 on my car's paint job, the wd40 will not wash off the paint if I dip it in water because the paint has been coated by many chemicals and agents!?!?!? Lmfao!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great idea to solve problems but think unintentionally really bad for waterways and the fish health. A little bit adds up fast especially the more people do it and it just continues to build in quantity. Maybe try using something more eco-friendly especially since you have to apply each trip. Maybe a beeswax or vegetable oil, a natural based oil?
It was talked about this in this video's comments. I agree, that any chemicals are not helping the environment but I only rate comments from peope who does not use/ever used petrol/diesel vehicles, does not buy food wrapped in plastic etc. etc.
Wait... I want to put that smelly line in the water? I mean, isn't that just going to cause fish to turn the other way? I don't know about this. I get the desire to keep braid from fraying, though.
The issue with WD40 and perhaps. Air as is you end up contaminating waters, so not environmentally friendly, I prefer to have line issues and keep the ecosystem safe
Some of your ideas are good I admit but now you've lost the plot,what does it say on the warning on the reverse? Think I'll stick to mono at least I won't get banned by fishery owners or kill fish.
It's the vapour that is dangerous.. PTFE itself isn't worse any normal platic as far as I know. All in all, I can't see it doing any damage to the fish or water quality, if used as suggested (let the line get dry).
I haven't noticed that I am catching less since started using this stuff! The opposite actually - my braided line is performing better (less tangles, casts further) and I can concentrate on actual fishing more! 👌
Andrews knots it seems that you have to have the last say,so,get that frying pan out cook an egg in that stuff and eat it on video for us to see no editing! If it's safe you have the last say. We're waiting cos we don't want to see people who make braid made redundant cos of your comments that less braid will be sold ok so now put your plastic where your mouth is!!
@Robert wren you don't need to use WD40 with PTFE to cook an egg in the pan as the pan itself will have plenty of PTFE/teflon on the surface to make it non-stick type. 👌
Hi Andrew Well went out a couple of days ago with a full spool of new line (J braid) I had 2 massive wind knots. It's rare it happens but now need to replace it😬 So I've ordered my WD40 as you recommend so lets hope it works🤞 Thanks for the tip and very tight lines 🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣
Hey, I will work and you will be surprised with the difference in many ways! For me personally J-braid used to be a nightmare when it comes to wrap-arounds the tip. Just make sure it dries before casting out 👌 Cheers
Why don't ubthink about use braided for deep sea fishing? U want a good line for cast? Use fluro line, ITS better because ITS more stiff than Braid, i think
Once it's dried on the line, I can't see big issue there.. I think everyone creates more damage to the environment by buying food wrapped in plastic etc. etc.
Anybody wishing to spray WD40 onto their reels may as well just go and Chuck them in the bin. Stupidest idea I have ever heard, spraying wd40 onto your reel will just make the gears seize and sup all the moisture from the internal sprockets. Better off using a normal lubricant or Vaseline to lubricate the reel, however nothing you can do will stop you from getting wind knots. The clue is in the name; WIND knot. Adding something to the braid is only going to affect the action of the lure and braid interfering with it. I have done many tests myself with braids and reel including diameter of braided lines and, unfortunately you will NEVER be able to fully avoid wind knots when using smaller diameter braids, it is as simple as that
What about chemicals in the water??? Man fuuck that shit!!!!! Listen man, I love what you do and I've learned a lot of awesome info. But we don't need everyone doing this and putting chemicals in the water. What? To achieve a meter of casting distance? C'mon man!!! Let's all do our part and make sure that the generations that come after us will still be able to enjoy our beautiful mother nature. RESPECT THE EARTH
Fair enough. I respect it. If you would watch the video once more/read the description maybe you would see that it's not only casting distance! The braid lasts longer therefore you will use less braided over the time. 👍
lagging a lil here ..but just wanted to add my grandpa's secret fishing weapon was WD40 squirted on lure everytime and it seem to work cause he always whooped me ...I keep it in my boat in tribute and when i get slumping ...squirt squirt!
Firstly, iIm not advocating for more pollution, I'm on the same page as all of you, but to all those people getting on a high horse about chemicals in the ocean (or lake) from a puff of PTFE on some line think about how many anglers use boats for fishing, with outboard engines running exhausts, 2 stroke etc into the water. Not to mention commercial fishing and other commercial marine activity. I'm not advocating for more pollution, recreational anglers have their duty too, but i think hating on the chemical aspect of this video is misguided and pollution from nearly all other avenues would be more of a concern. Just my 2 cents.... Thanks for the video.
Couldn't put it together any better.👌
Thanks
@@AndrewsKnotsyes you could put it together better Andrew. This argument uses false equivalency, PTFE is a forever chemical that never breaks down, all the examples of pollution above are of degradable hydrocarbons or even gases which is a bizarre comparison. None of the hydrocarbons listed above are forever chemicals. Secondly there’s a logic trap set that is easy to fall into, that is because there are greater pollutants around adding one more just won’t matter. You can see already the fallacy of this as a reason to disregard this forever chemical.
Your 2 cents worth is worth, 2 cents, here’s the other 98 cents. Two fatal flaws in your argument, false equivalency and an illogical conclusion. It is simply not a fair comparison to put up hydrocarbon pollution and carbon monoxide (exhaust fumes) as an equivalent to PTFE pollution. Hydrocarbons are not “forever chemicals” but PTFE and its ‘neighbours’ (PFAS) are “forever chemicals”, they never break down, ever.
“PTFE is one of the best-known and widely applied PFAS commonly described as persistent organic pollutants or "forever chemicals".”
The danger of persistent organics is that they find their way into the food chain and stay there forever, they bio accumulate from plants and microorganisms being eaten by larger organisms which, in turn, are consumed by more animals higher in the food chain, each time they ‘step up’ in the food chain their concentration grows. A large fish taken from the top of the food chain has accumulated all the chemicals in tiny amounts until the amounts become carcinogenic or otherwise toxic. The supposedly comparable pollutants you mentioned don’t do that. At some point they degrade or they simply cannot be transported up the food chain.
“Fish (or other aquatic animals) that live in PFAS-contaminated waters may contain PFAS. In some instances, if you consume too much fish from PFAS-contaminated waters, you may exceed the Tolerable Daily Intakes for PFOS, PFOA and PFHxS.”
In simple terms, the old argument of ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ applies. It is not logical to feel vindicated to add another pollutant because others exist. As I’ve shown the forever chemicals are more dangerous in tiny amounts than some other pollutants in larger amounts.
The dramatic evolution of battery technology and possibly hydrogen as an energy source will eventually do away with hydrocarbons in the boating industry. After which their pollutants will leave the ecosystem but the forever chemicals will stay forever waiting for additional molecules to add to their position in the biomass.
The history of PTFE has been a troubled one and in its various forms it has been proven to be carcinogenic and each time legislation has had to be enacted to prevent its use. The spinoff company of DuPont’s, Chemours, makes PTFE and its formulation has changed a few times to try and eliminate the carcinogenic compounds. In its current form it is claimed to be non toxic to humans. A claim that has been made a few times over the decades until this was found to be false and the compounds changed. I would hate to see a future where the current PTFE is following in the footsteps of its forbears. Whether it is safe to add to the water now is unknown but its chemical composition will still find its way into the food chain due to its almost indestructible chemical bonds.
@@teeanahera8949 if it was that dangerous they wouldn't sell it to us
@@teeanahera8949FYI…we ain’t going to be here forever.
In Portugal and Spain we use very thin monos for beach fishing like 0.16mm diameter line. Mono in these diameters deteriorates really fast so we use silicone spray to conserve the line and lubricate it so it casts further
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks great video, I used it on my 4# old braid and it works well. I saturated the outer layer before the cast then the inner layer after the cast. Works really well just so it before the line gets wet. Thanks again for the info
Sounds great!
This guy’s accent is awesome!
Thank you!
That's just genius.. Thanks for the tip.
NP.
Nice video.
I'm thinking of using silicone tire shine to lubricate my fishing line because I feel braided lines are prone to abrasion on baitcasters due to intense casting
Try it out. Likely will work wonders. Cheers
Great little hack Andrew. Definitely going to get some for myself. Great content as usual. Keep it coming. 👍✌️
Awesome, thank you!
Found your channel a few weeks ago. Love your content!
Thanks.
I use Inox. Lanolin base and has full eco cred. You can even use it on food.
Is it this i.ebayimg.com/images/g/W4MAAOSwS-Va3ypq/s-l1600.jpg ?
How well it works (your general conclusion/impression)?
Cheers
Andrew's Knots - no it’s not that, it’s called Inox m3, I’d post a link except I can’t on this device, but it’s a non petrochemical, lanolin based protective spray/lubricant that I use on everything that gets wet. I used to find a salty, stiffening buildup in the body of my braid, but not since I started using the Inox. I spray the interior of my tackle boxes with it too, hooks don’t rust, seems to keep everything flexible, non greasy and newish, but it could well be just a placebo effect too :)
@@rossmcleod7983
Inox products are pretty good. Yes, some i think are definitely food safe lubricants safe for food manufacturing industries.
I will have to try to obain some (so far couldn't quickly find UK retailer..).
Thank you!
www.pendleslotracing.co.uk/inox-mx3-lubricant-spray-bottle-125ml.html
Hey is this one? I'm using varivas for quite some time now, but the supply is missing lately and I need some alternatives. I'll prefer something not toxic if I can ofc.
I believe if what you want is smoother propulsion for longer and more accurate casts, then I believe spraying PTFE (Teflon) on braid would help but there is also the issue of petro-chemicals in the line which repels fish (scent). This is reason why spraying WD-40 and any kind of lubricants onto reels is a bad idea. Generally depending your area fishing style and requirement. If I want better casting distance, I would rather wash my line after every fishing trip (remove gunk and oil) and reel in tight and tidy back onto reel. To reduce friction when casting, you can upgrade to 8x braid which is rounder than 4x braid. Adding a 2ft length of 100% Fluorocarbon leader also helps with smoother casts as FC is very smooth. Generally, I want to avoid exposing any part of line, rod and reel to any sort of petro-chemicals. Eg. Insect repellent and sun screen lotions.
I understand what you are saying BUT the actual PTFE amount in one can, which will last a year or so and the damage to the environment is probably much less than a few mile car drive to supermarket for grocecies shopping (not even talking about the plastic packaging). Also, line lasts much longer with the spray, so, less of it needed to procude etc.
I am not sure about other species, but I was surprised after years of avoiding sunscreen that bass can only smell things that are water soluble.
@@AndrewsKnots also you should mention that you ARE NOT spraying ptfe in to water. You spray it on the braided line, and it vaporises, leaving some oils to lube it.. so the text on the can about the toxicity is mentioned so stupid people would not throw this can in to the water...
Good info. Will try to apply in my braid. Btw, does this prevent or reduce the braid bleeding.?
Can't comment on this.
Brilliant I'm heading down to buy some wd40 which in a study for Ocean going Chinook Salmon a fish attractent.
I've used WD-40 as an attractant for Rainbow Trout for years when I lived in Nevada. It actually worked so well that it became outlawed because certain lakes couldn't get stocked fast enough. So yeah, it works.
I recommend some spray for using waterproof ,especially to clothing..
It really works well...
Will consider trying it.
Very great trick one question should i be carefull when apllying it because in my experience standart wd40 would penetrate in the real destroying the grease. Also i have shimano's kairiki braid is it good??
This stuff dries out fast, so, I don't think it will be a problem. I can't comment on the Kairiki BUT most braids are more similar than different (Dyneema based) and I tried on 3 or 4 different ones with good results. 👌
@@AndrewsKnots thanks i will try this stuff out and check the diference it makes thanks for the great video
Andrew does the PTFE spray make the braid float or sink any different to normal ?
Thanks for this video I sure hope it helps with my wind knots it drives me crazy!!!
Glad it helped! Just make sure line dries out before casting out 👌
Awesome! Thanks, will do this now
Hope you like it!
I stopped using any lube containing PTFE on my mountain bike in case it gets into the waterways, I certainly wouldn't spray anything containing microplastics like PTFE onto something I was deliberately going to put in the water! bad form Andrew. love your vids and great tips, but this one is a no-no for me.
Fair enough.
To my understand PTFE is fancier plastic. So, if we buy food which is wrapped in plastic which will end up in the ground or the ocean, then a few drops of this spray is nothing really. This stuff also will make braid last longer, so in return less braid will be produced (also wrapped on plastic spool)..
At least that is my understanding. 👍
You should say that to the guys that make Berkley powder dough for trout. It's contain pvc powder. 🤣
mind share what the reason?
@@khairaamira6516 reason is simple. I just started second feeder season with my feeder that had new braid line year ago, now i tryed to fish, and i when i cast like 1 every 15th cast, i get weird thing that the line gets tangled against tip itself while casting, and it just "brakes off the cast" and when i real in it just magicaly un-tangles. THat was never never happen in my previous season, i was beleave that is something wrong with my fishing line, with is x4. So i will try this lube.
This helps me great video .
Glad to hear it!
Wouldn't the solvents mixed with PTFE deteriorate the line? Have you done any experiment to see if you lose strength? I know regular WD40 does have negative effects on some types of polymers in the long run, but not sure about the 'dry lube'. And thanks for the video.
No, I have not done any tests. With this PTFE stuff, braid lasts longer for me and also other properties are better as explained. That's enough for me.
@@AndrewsKnots GT85 would be better then.
@@richardjones2811Whats different about GT85? Curious because it seems to have a "cult following" in the cycling world lol
Bonjour! Thanks a lot for your tip :) I will try it soon and whrite my experience.
Welcome.
Now two years after the video, what is your thought on the dry PTFE on the braided line tip?
Have you found something better, or is this still your go-to method?
From time to time I search for lanolin based spray to try it out BUT here in the UK I can't find any at decent prices. As a result, still use WD40 PTFE.
This WD40 PTFE still works it's magic on the braids.
@@AndrewsKnots
Why would you even need that? With right fishing set up and everything balanced there should be no need for these gimmicks.
I think this is unnecessary pollution.
Safety data sheet says: Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects.
Be better than this, stop using it on the waters. I know there are things that are more Toxic and pollutes In bigger scale, but why still choose something that is not necessary when you have the option to choose wisely and make even a small difference?
@@kimkuusela7960 Lures, rods, reels and even line among other manufacturer fishing items are made with toxic substances. Don't be a Karen.
good day my friend
here in our country we didn't what this ptfe spray
we have Q8 silicone spray
can I use it for my braided line?
Can't comment as I don't use Q8.
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i found here our country
liqui moly PTFE spray do think it's same that one WD40 PTFE?
th-cam.com/video/dFRL18sPPrg/w-d-xo.html
Check the reel first. Copper + Silicone. No no. 10m safe area. Chemical reaction. Copper + silicone meets air. Abaut one day and everything is green. Rust.
Andrew does this make rough braid go through the rod guides more smoothly then?
Yes. It may depend on current stiffness of your line. This stuff stiffens a bit further. All my braids do work better once coated..
@@AndrewsKnots thankyou! As a fellow trent angler I appreciate your tips and advice! Does the spray make the braid smoother?
Sure it will. 👌
@@AndrewsKnots thankyou
I don't know I've seen videos where wd40 actually weakens the line causing it to not be able to hold the weight it should
It works quite the opposite for me..
This isn't ordinary wd40
Very helpfull, does it help sinking the braid?
As far as I noticed, it does not affect the buyoancy on the line. 👌
What’s your 3 favorite reel brands?
Daiwa, Shimano, Okuma.
Andrew's Knots yeah I like all of them, my favorites are pflueger, diawa, and shimano. Okuma has some really good carp and saltwater reels
Daiwa Shimano Ryobi
Could you recommend a rod(size etc gram wise) as a starter spinning rod, targeting perch,chub,trout etc great channel by the way,many thanks👍
From what you said, I can easy recommend looking at th-cam.com/video/JIxmhzHJuY8/w-d-xo.html
You will enjoy using it and it's not super expensive either! I have 2 of them.. 👍
Cheers
Can I suggest balistol oil since everyone is going on about the environment. Have you tried it? Im going to give it a try. Its not expensive too
I've not. Thanks for the info.
Thx bro
Im gonna try it 😊
Try it.
Can it be applied to Mono or flourocarbon? Or just braid
Just braid.
Great video.
Sorry to see you got so many negative responses.
Does it have any effect on buoyancy? I like my braid to float.
I didn't notice it changing the buyoancy of the line. If it does, it's minimal.
@@AndrewsKnots thank you.
Oil floats on water .. so it might float better. Did you try it? I know I'm lagging here but I'm curious to know if it worked
Hi you think “wd 40 silicone spray” will do a good job also?
This PTFE is better and does not wear out as quick.
Great video, when loading the braid on the spool try reeling it through a slice in a raw potato, this helps stiffen the braid and helps it sink, a very good polish feeder angler told this tip and it really works, I think it's to do with the starch in the potatoe,. Berkley fireline original has been my braid of choice for years now, it's very wirey, never get wind knots or any type of over runs on the spool with it.
Never heard of it but probably it's a valid idea. Will have to try it at some point 👍
Thanks
hi jk. does it help prevent wind knots?
@@anacitogapoy8823 it does Andy yes, the stiffer the braid the less likely it is to tangle.
@@jk-zf8eo Thank you
HELLO, is it also good for long distance feeder fishing?
Yes, absolutely 👌
I wanted to try this and it was doing my own research on different lubricants I came across the fact that this family of chemicals is known to be toxic in the case of Teflon coated pans. This newer version which is not outlawed in Europe or the United States is inconclusive about its toxicity so at this point it's legal but you have to consider that as more of a solid form gases off while heated. This lubricant form is going to be highly soluble because of its application design...and it has one mahor problem it doesn't ever biodegrade. It's what they call a forever chemical. Even a silicone-based lubricant could take 500 years. I wanted to use this but I accidentally learned it never breaks down. I think it's great for any hard surface adherence applications like door, hinges, sliders, and cutting blades, Things that you're not constantly washing into a water source. but rather just in a shop or on fixtures and tools But I think something that you're constantly adding to water especially like a lake ecosystem system we should probably think about....I'm unfortunately deciding against it I really wanted to use this because of its inherent properties and the cost-effectiveness for its application. Hate to be the bearer of bad news that may or may not affect your consciousness. I unfortunately wanted to share that it was a forever chemical non-biodegradable. I wasted eight bucks on it at Walmart and almost still used it. Looking up with Varivas was sharing about their chemical composition they say it's a silicone base and environmentally friendly but I'm not sure I believe that entirely because it also has fluoropoly the chemicals in it also.. again if this was in a more stable fixed molecular structure but it is individual free-flowing molecules acting as the lubricant that are going to dissipate and dissolve.
Do you use biodegradable line and sinkers??
Thanks for sharing! Was wondering about all of this.
KVD Line and Lure has bold claims about its proprietary polymers being non-toxic (and anectdotally people say it works well). From what i know about other industries that could just mean they made an insignificant molecular alteration to something known to be toxic just so theres no proof of it being toxic (yet). Ill probably stick with that - maybe less of it or less often or at the end of the day when it when it has a better chance to adhere (it claims no solvents so probably nothing to evaporate). I thought the video creator had a good point in the comments about line lasting longer being conversely positive for environment. Ill never be perfect but i dont want to support useless pollution.
Another commenter mentioned raw potato but im afraid that would attract microorganisms aka get nasty. Now im looking into bees/parafin wax.
Would be interested in your thoughts on KVD L&L and bees/parafin wax!
Fantastic tip thank you sir
Always welcome!
Great tip! Thanks
No problem!
You say it stiffens the line, does it do it to the point of creating line memory?
No.
@@AndrewsKnots Thank you, good info to know
What about using this trick on baitcasters with 50lbs braid?
It will help there too.
Will classic universal wd 40 do the same job
No.
can it be use for all fishing lines
Sure!
Do you think the WD 40 will work on pole elastic?
I haven't tried it but on the can it says it's ok to be used on the rubber etc. 👌
Thank you...Very helpful tip..
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks Andrew. I have another way of using it that I can recommend too.
I spray it all into the water where I go fishing and try to aim for the slick.
Hydro dipping style...
I would not advice to spray anything directly into the water..
Just sprayed my KTF spool full of braid with this stuff I'm hoping it will cast further like you say it does.Also do you think it's a good idea to spray full ceramic bearings with this stuff???
Can't comment re ceramic bearings.
ceramic has special lube you should use that.
Very nice video 👍👍👍💪💪💪
Thank you 👍
Don't wanna be putting chemicals in the water thanks.
Fair enough. I respect that.
Just make sure you have no TEFLON pans at home, not buying any food packaged in plastic etc 👌
Aran Smithson the chemicals will spread so thinly in the water that the chemicals will have no affect on fish, just don’t fish in small ponds
And don't drive car. Too much pollution .🐎🐎
Most, if not all braided lines on the market contain chemicals... whether from their own ptfe (or similar) coating or chemical dyes used to color the braid, so yeah...best not to use braid if you think that. And who’s to say that mono and Fluoro don’t have some sort of coating?
You can use some primitive tackle then
What rod is that at the intro? Thank you
For me the question is, the smell it gives to the line, will it not scare the fish ?
Fish take the bait not the line.
I have been doing a lot of reading regarding the use of WD-40 on fishing gear and after every fishing trip (salt water), I wash the entire rod and reel with fresh water and I use a clean rag lightly; however, when I get home I use WD-40 on the reel and braid. Most people think that it is just a lubricant...it is not, it's a very effective "moisture extractor", it keeps corrosion from salt water away from the reel and salt particles away from the braid; by the time I am out fishing again, the environmental consequences are none. Most of all human sewer waste and industrial goes into the oceans untreated in most of the world, and let's not get into the plastics tragedy coming from mostly Asia, relax and enjoy your fishing, good fishing gear is not cheap; I take care of mine.
This is good advise from Andrew. Thx.
Yes, WD40 PTFE is great! Agree with your statements 100%.
The WD in WD-40 stands for Water Displacement. So WD-40 is Water Displacement Formula No. 40. It was developed to displace water on the Atlas rocket. The outer skin was also the fuel tank. The cold fuel caused condensation and rusting. WD-40 fixed that problem.
Fyi for those who dont know, the wd40 brand ptfe dry lube in the video also displaces water (probably not quite as well). Proper Wd40 is a mix of solvent and light oil, but i think its risky to use around a reel (especially if not tightly sealed). The ptfe dry lube spray might technically have an evaporating solvent carrier but if so i think its less gnarly and much safer to use around bearings and line.
Love watching your videos buddy. Just subscribed !!
Any chance you could give me some ideas on a great perch spinning outfit that you would recommend ??? Cheers buddy and keep them videos coming .. all the best to ya 🎣👍🏽😀
I have plenty of videos about different types of rods.
Thanks
@@AndrewsKnots yeah Andrew I’ve been watching all your videos since subscribing !! Thankyou for replying also and means allot 🎣🎣😀😀
Great tip, I will try it. The thing is that most people have only the regular version of WD-40 and will be tempted to try that one instead :D I wonder where is the limit. I personally have laying at home some anti-friction silicone lubricunt. I guess I need to try this on my old reel.
P.S. I also have a baitcaster reel, do you think it would benefit the same way?
This stuff stiffens the line a bit, so, the tangles are less likely to happen even on baitcasters 👌
WD 40
Great fish attractor also is made w fish oil
Good stuff
Andrew check this one INOX MX3-125P 125ml Pump Bottle is only $7
Yeah, will shop around. Maybe will find it in the UK. Is it good?
Nice! It is a mußt have. Use it next time. 👍
You will like it! Just make sure it dries well before you cast out 👍
@@AndrewsKnots Jep 👍
Brilliant!
Cheers.
what about polluting the rivers with that stuff?
Fair point, if you don't drive any motorised vehicle etc.that are much more pollutant.
Does regular WD40 work? I think it was developed for NASA and Spacecraft. Supposedly it fish oil based.
I wouldn't use standard WD40 that is meant to dissolve rust.
Na kaip ar benaudoji ? wd40 nesuede pintuko ?
Yes, all good.
PTFE is Teflon.
True.
I totally agree 👍💯
The fish will probably hate the smell of it and will affect the quantity of fish I catch.
You use the line once it's dry! Anyway, I catch more because of this spray.
Fishes are mostly interesting to the bait ,not the line haha..
I'm definitely sure it doesn't matter
@@김승훈-c7p the line will release the chemicals in it once it's thrown in the water and it spreads around, genius. Haha
@@dirkdiggler2430 all the braided line has been coated by many chemicals agent anyway while manufacturing....try to pick up good point of this tutorial...or u can use close environmental tools as like those had been used at primitive Era..
@@김승훈-c7p so if I spray wd40 on my car's paint job, the wd40 will not wash off the paint if I dip it in water because the paint has been coated by many chemicals and agents!?!?!? Lmfao!!!
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Great idea to solve problems but think unintentionally really bad for waterways and the fish health. A little bit adds up fast especially the more people do it and it just continues to build in quantity.
Maybe try using something more eco-friendly especially since you have to apply each trip. Maybe a beeswax or vegetable oil, a natural based oil?
It was talked about this in this video's comments.
I agree, that any chemicals are not helping the environment but I only rate comments from peope who does not use/ever used petrol/diesel vehicles, does not buy food wrapped in plastic etc. etc.
Wait... I want to put that smelly line in the water? I mean, isn't that just going to cause fish to turn the other way? I don't know about this. I get the desire to keep braid from fraying, though.
No.
Just use cheap hair detangler spray. no harsh solvents and much lower cost.
Will consider it. Cheers.
Great Video, cheers
Thanks.
O kaip mazgai laiko po tokio supurskimo???
No changes to the knotting properties that I noticed.
The issue with WD40 and perhaps. Air as is you end up contaminating waters,
so not environmentally friendly, I prefer to have line issues and keep the ecosystem safe
No problem and thanks for sharing. Ecosystem safety was discussed many times already.
Don't try this it spinns the whole line on your reel spool no matter how tight you tie it but it spins.
Makes no sense.
Smelly?..does that matter?
This spray has some smell which is nothing like cinamon. Where it could matter, I don't know.
@@AndrewsKnots cinnamon? Not getting the reference dude..thanks
No reference. Just it does not matter if line smells or not. At least I am not catching less fish because of this spray. 👌
Guess I’ll start wearing my ear plugs when I cast my loud braid out. lol
Cool.
Some of your ideas are good I admit but now you've lost the plot,what does it say on the warning on the reverse? Think I'll stick to mono at least I won't get banned by fishery owners or kill fish.
It's the vapour that is dangerous.. PTFE itself isn't worse any normal platic as far as I know. All in all, I can't see it doing any damage to the fish or water quality, if used as suggested (let the line get dry).
Also Andrew a fish has 1,000 times our sense of smell. I'm sorry but as a responsible Angler I must condemn this action.
I haven't noticed that I am catching less since started using this stuff! The opposite actually - my braided line is performing better (less tangles, casts further) and I can concentrate on actual fishing more! 👌
Andrews knots it seems that you have to have the last say,so,get that frying pan out cook an egg in that stuff and eat it on video for us to see no editing! If it's safe you have the last say. We're waiting cos we don't want to see people who make braid made redundant cos of your comments that less braid will be sold ok so now put your plastic where your mouth is!!
@Robert wren you don't need to use WD40 with PTFE to cook an egg in the pan as the pan itself will have plenty of PTFE/teflon on the surface to make it non-stick type. 👌
Haven't used any lube on braid, never found the need ,Me and the Mrs have used lube but I don't think that would be any good for braid🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good one 😂
Thick or thin Vaseline will get it in
You obviously think a lot about you fishing, good video. 👍
I do! 👍
Hi Andrew
Well went out a couple of days ago with a full spool of new line (J braid) I had 2 massive wind knots. It's rare it happens but now need to replace it😬
So I've ordered my WD40 as you recommend so lets hope it works🤞
Thanks for the tip and very tight lines
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Hey,
I will work and you will be surprised with the difference in many ways! For me personally J-braid used to be a nightmare when it comes to wrap-arounds the tip.
Just make sure it dries before casting out 👌
Cheers
Daiwa j braid is 💩 Berkley whiplash ftw
Why don't ubthink about use braided for deep sea fishing? U want a good line for cast? Use fluro line, ITS better because ITS more stiff than Braid, i think
Thanks for sharing.
Fishing Conor
As in?
Just use any silicone in spray, as simple as that.
Tried WD40 silicone spray. Better than nothing but nowhere near as good as PTFE..
@@AndrewsKnots goood is was wondering if silicone was better than PTFE.I will try it on my daiwa steez A with KTF spool and full ceramic bearings : )
Thats gonna leave a scent trail which will put fish off.
It won't.
ptfe is bad for the environment =/
As is any plastic. To my understanding, if anyone buys food packaged in plastic, that plastic in most countries will end up in the ocean or ground..
@@AndrewsKnots yes, the point is to reduce the amount.
Vee BUK the chemicals will quickly spread in the water so thinly it won’t affect anything, just don’t fish in small ponds with this
@@thesovietonion4671 indeed it will spread,, thats the problem.
@@AndrewsKnots that is true, so why add more ptfe on top of that?
I think you are not serious about using wd40. yes, you are :(
Once it's dried on the line, I can't see big issue there.. I think everyone creates more damage to the environment by buying food wrapped in plastic etc. etc.
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Yep 😎
so u understand what i'm said？
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That stuff sticks in humans it is terrible to put in the water!!!!!!
Ok.
Anybody wishing to spray WD40 onto their reels may as well just go and Chuck them in the bin. Stupidest idea I have ever heard, spraying wd40 onto your reel will just make the gears seize and sup all the moisture from the internal sprockets. Better off using a normal lubricant or Vaseline to lubricate the reel, however nothing you can do will stop you from getting wind knots. The clue is in the name; WIND knot. Adding something to the braid is only going to affect the action of the lure and braid interfering with it. I have done many tests myself with braids and reel including diameter of braided lines and, unfortunately you will NEVER be able to fully avoid wind knots when using smaller diameter braids, it is as simple as that
One believes video's about spraying the line not the reel's internal parts.
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I’m having big trouble with all braid I’m using , I will try that spray myself
Thanks for sharing.
What about chemicals in the water??? Man fuuck that shit!!!!! Listen man, I love what you do and I've learned a lot of awesome info. But we don't need everyone doing this and putting chemicals in the water. What? To achieve a meter of casting distance? C'mon man!!! Let's all do our part and make sure that the generations that come after us will still be able to enjoy our beautiful mother nature. RESPECT THE EARTH
Fair enough. I respect it.
If you would watch the video once more/read the description maybe you would see that it's not only casting distance! The braid lasts longer therefore you will use less braided over the time. 👍
Is there a difference between the dry ptfe lub and ptfe lube. I got the one that isn't dry. Could i still use is on my braided line?
Can't comment as only recommend dry PTFE spray.
lagging a lil here ..but just wanted to add my grandpa's secret fishing weapon was WD40 squirted on lure everytime and it seem to work cause he always whooped me ...I keep it in my boat in tribute and when i get slumping ...squirt squirt!
I would be strongly against spraying lures "everytime" with something like WD40.