Oh my god... You've ruined the Vector for me. It's like somebody saw an Artillery Luger and a PKM sitting together and went "I might be on to something, but it needs MOAR SPACE AGE POLYMERS"
@@R1NR4N ruined? Vector was my favorite gun and now I’m deeply love by this ahahaha HANS, Zas machine gunz are too heavy!! We need zmaller faster Weaponz. Bring za Luger we have work to do!!!
Kriss: "We made a proprietary recoil system to minimize recoil and muzzle rise." Sig: "We mitigate recoil by making the gun out of a space-age technology called STEEL."
I purchased the 10mm crb last year, out of the box 90% malfunctions. Tried all the recommendations, lube, magazines, ammo types, and following the battery of arms etc. Replacing the ejector spring with a bmc got me to about 25% failures. The solve believe it or not was 125 grain and lower. Zero failures since I’ve kept to lower grain. The mag release issue was also solved by installing the extended shroud with a foregrip. Love this gun…
I absolutely love my Kriss..Its probably my favorite to shoot in the arsenal and I have not had any malfunctioning whatsoever.Around 2500 rounds thru it.
I just love watching, listening to, smelling SMG full auto. The only thing I would have liked to see rather than mag dumps are short bursts with target transitions; three targets would be ideal. Shooter would not often mag dump one target, rather a .3 burst putting six or seven rounds per target, then transition to the next. At 1,200 rounds per minute, 20 rounds per second, the point of the hyper cyclic rate is more rounds per very short bursts. The MP5, just as an example, at 800rpm puts 4.3 rounds in a .33 burst while the Vector doubles that at 6.6 rounds in the same time frame. The problem with hyper fast cycling is always muzzle rise, thus the Vector’s system is to counter muzzle rise. Does it? That’s why I wanted to see alpha performance in .3 bursts, with, likely what, .3 to .5 transition time. Point being, in 1.8 to 2 seconds on three targets the MP5 (just as an example) lays down 13 rounds while the Vector lays down 20 rounds. But… what is the alpha performance. If the Kriss Vector is getting 96s and 98s with twice the hits, well then…
Not every gun will have a place in gun history, but one thing you gonna love or hate to admit is that the Kriss Vector WILL have a place in that part of gun history .
I remember getting to shoot one of these once. It emptied the mag so fast, I thought something went wrong, and the gun jammed. Nope, just no more rounds...insane.
This is why im just playing Singleplayer Tarkov until 1.0. I can actually edit things to be more true to life instead of whatever nikitas whims are. Like any 5.56 weapon, through my own edits, actually has manageable recoil. Plus if I want my gotdamn .50 Beowulf M4 i can just make it myself
@@justingindhart3493 Vectors in game have practically no recoil and at the least I know the 9mm variant for sure doesn’t have the first shot kick like all other 9mm subs
Well that’s the thing There’s a reason why Vectors got indirectly nerfed a bunch. Everyone just ran 9mm 7n31 Vectors where drum mags only took 2x1 cells like regular double-stack rifle mags.
@@thespectator5259 according to online sources the P90 is between 850-1,100 rounds per minute while the Kriss is around 1,200. And the prototype was originally around 1,500. But they brought it down for the production models.
I own a Vector in 9mm and while it's wholly impractical, you can get ANYONE into shooting with it since it's so damn cool and light recoiling. I slapped a vertical grip, red dot, and a suppressor on it and it's irresistible to new shooters to try out. All I wanted when I bought it was space gun aesthetics and that's what I got, I have no regrets at all about my purchase.
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Wouldn't it be better to get a burst mod on it, assuming it to be legal of course? That seems like it would mitigate a lot of the... more quirky factors of the weapon, let's say.
If I remember correctly the Kriss Vector is equivalent to the Desert Eagle in that it was an experimental platform. The goal to tame the .45 ACP recoil. It's cyclical rate is a byproduct of it's novel design. Whether it's effective depends on how you measure it.
also they made a cool and unique looking gun which in turn will be used in movies and games. so you get advertising and maybe some licensing money. that has to be worth something.
I love how there's two sides to SMGs, there's the Grease Guns and STEN guns that fire at like 500 rounds a minute, and then there's the Vector that shoots at like 1500 rounds a minute
@@TheAKgunner Or get a Smith & Wesson Model 76. It's based on the Swedish M/45 SMG, but has a different grip among other minor changes. The grip on the Swedish K is dummy thicc.
When I first began enjoying and training with firearms as few years ago I rented a Kriss from a range down here in Texas. It was also the first full auto firearm I ever got to shoot and made for a wonderful birthday outing. I had the exact same issues Mr. Results had with the Kriss.When I ran it I kept ejecting the magazine by accident as I kept gripping it by the magwell, and shying away from holding it by the very VERY Short hand guard. I even have some video of me dropping the magazine and looking down at it like a dork. All in all Something I feel would be resolved by a handstop and a vertical grip. Not to mention a covered magazine release like some modern AR lowers have. Oh, and the training that Mr. Thumb reminds us that we all need. The one stoppage that wasn't user error was due to the cheap steel cased .45 the range used for it. Though that same ammo ran fine in a UMP I also got to enjoy. Still it was fun to shoot and taught me the importance of familiarizing myself with my tools. I'd also glady shoot it again if I didn't have to pay for the ammo costs. ^_^
"Looks like fun to shoot" that is about the only thing that pops into my head along with "nifty mechanics". I really do bet this firearm would be a blast at the range.
Honestly the one gun no game dev has ever gotten wrong, always a fun gun to use. (Never wrong as in the enjoyment of using it, don’t know how accurate all of them are to the real thing)
Insurgency Sandstorm gives you the full package, you can basically cut people down strafing them it shoots so fast and hits hard. Plus the virtually non existant upward recoil
Why Is the vector's round choice poor? From what limited knowledge i have on the the vector i wholeheartedly believe it was designed for Police Officers/ S.W.A.T Officers for Use During CQB in places were a rifle round might over Penetrate and hit non combatants.
@@jacobcoleman its just why .45acp? 9mm would be a better option for capacity and its stopping power is great. Or imagine in 10mm. Thats what im talking about
That shot showing the recoil going up and down was an amazing shot, I knew the system operates the way it does but seeing it in slow motion and full auto watching the bolts motion in action was amazing, very cool design.
yea it was, reminds me of the time I rented a Thompson, granted the kriss looks a lot less than that thing's forward and backward kachunk. it was really interesting how when I pulled the trigger on that old gun I felt the sights drop as the bolt hit forward and then recoil, really felt like it was walking back and forth in my hands. I imagine that this thing feels like that but prob only 20% of what the open bolt thompson feels.
I own a CRB Gen II in .45 and it's honestly the most fun I've ever had with a gun. Totally different experience from anything else. A lot of people complain about the mag release which is why I HIGHLY recommend a foregrip and also the rail extension for anything else you may want to under-sling or put on top. A good RDS goes a long way as well. I own the Vortex UH-1 for asthetics as well as it just being a good red dot. And being as it is a CQC weapon, a good laser does well too.
I have the 10mm in SBR form with a suppressor, laser and flashlight. You're totally correct about the foregrip.....I have a vertical foregrip with the laser activator pad on it. Holoson sight and also the laser. I have a 3x magnifier as well lol
I’ve shot that exact gun in 10mm. Insanely controllable and excellent target reaquisition. Plus with a spicy round like the 10mm, hitting steel was a piece of cake at distances up to and exceeding 100 yards.
That's the one I want. Having just got my first 10mm pistol and fired it yesterday for the first time...oh boy, my new favorite round. The price can eat my ass but otherwise it's a fun round to shoot.
I can see a very specific purpose of this smg. vehicle crews and protection duty. it's easy to fit a folded Kriss next to each person in a vehicle. Exiting will also be easier with a smaller gun. In an urban environment where most protection duties will be, the range and accuracy is more than adequate. The ammo is also a lot cheaper than the 5.7 that a p90 would use.
Or you could issue what the army already procured, the B&T APC9, which by every metric is a far superior submachine gun. Armorers already have enough to deal with, why curse them with a giant POS line the Kriss Vector?
Wouldn’t an mp7 be a better choice for that role, I can’t think of any benefits this has over an mp7. 900rpm is more practical than the ridiculous fire rate of the vector, 4.6x30mm is better at armor penetration than 45acp and it’s smaller than the vector if you fold the forward grip and stock. So what is the point of carrying this apart from style and giggle factor ?
@@Bingchilling_enjoyer I did a quick search and the cost of a round of 45acp is roughly around $0.35-37 per round where the 4.6x30 is $0.63. While I totally agree that the 4.6 is better at armor penetration, it's still not as cheap or common as the 45acp or 9mm (which I think the Kriss can also be chambered in). It would be interesting to see the groupings between the 2 variants of Kriss VS the mp7 VS p90 seeing as how all of them were designed for the same sort of role.
i shot a full auto vector 45 this spring and its stupidly fast. i had the mp7 and p90 all full auto and there was zero comparison....P90 full auto was insanely easy to stay on target,has the best ergonomics, and largest magazine capacity. i was shooting steel man silhouettes at 50 yards and i had probably 80% hit flush with the p90. vector was like half because it shoots so damn fast. mp7 was underwhelming to me. also i saw that vector dump over 1000 rounds with zero malfunctions so im not sure why grand thumb was having issues.
I think the Vector may have a place in checkpoint security. That fire rate is guaranteed to stop any car or suicide bomber in its tracks, and the .45 limits the over penetration factor if used with other vehicles or civilians around, and the recoil control limits the spread at that fire rate and likelihood of collateral damage.
Same if you lived alone and were robbed by a group. It wouldn’t go through your exterior wall and end up hitting a neighbor, you could take out all intruders quick, and if you throw a suppressor on it you might not even wake up the whole neighborhood. Ideal for when a certain three letter agency thinks you have an illegal shotgun👀
@@RyanChavez-bs1enI think of several different entities and I feel like they are all correct. Usa, fbi, Cia, nsa, atf... and my own personal favorite b(leeding) h(eart) l(iberals). Those are the most dangerous because they turn your fellow statesmen into treasonous cowards.
The Swedish K, as an officer, was my main weapon in the Swedish Defence Force. I love it to death!! We were never educated what to do if there was a stoppage - because there never was any. .
We had a few in our competition shooting club. Turns out that when conscripts say that it is only accurate out to 50m; that is cause they are conscripts. We could easily keep a 36 round mag-dump on a full sillouette at 100 meters. Those guns just don't climb.
Looking to get a 10mm Vector to use as a truck gun. They're fantastic and having a massive round like 10mm in a larger more controllable package yet small enough to be deployed in a vehicle without needing to worry about registering it as a SBR is a treat indeed.
There is a _very_ specific use-case for the Kriss Vector. And on the consumer market, you mostly hear people buying it for the cool factor because of it. It's an amazing piece of machinery.
Idk about the newer ones but, I owned a brand new one for about 2 days. Put 500ish rnds through it and it fired out of battery. Destroyed the receiver and the mag on factory remington .45. Ive read and heard many of the same stories. That use-case scenario argument for it being a work gun, thats pretty scary imo.
Dude, the Vector I thought was gonna be the only gun that blew me away this video (I do not recall the original version having THAT high a rate of fire), but the (nitro-boosted) Swedish K's accuracy was fucking insane.
One of my all time favorite guns. So many bullets in so little time. Would love to see a mag dump of a drum mag on that thing 😮 If they make one that is, haven't seen it before.
The admin/dr thumb is quickly becoming a favorite colab of mine! These two are funny af separate but together they can make the most serious stuff straight hilarious
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again absolutely!! The stuff he says and they way he does it is so damn funny! And I believe under the act he is probably a legitimate expert.
the Vector, as pointless as it might feel in the age of short rifles and pdw's, is probably my favourite gun by a long shot there's just something really cool about it, and unlike the Deagle there at least seems to be some purpose to the madness
I think for CQC it would be very useful, especially when folded it's compact. They have said for years their V system could be scaled up for rifle calibers, but they've never put out a 5.56, 300BLK, ect gun, and I'd be curious to see how the system does on larger calibers
I would also like to see that. Plus maybe a joint project with Fostech so that normies could enjoy the system. In Semi, it just makes the system heavier and bulkier for no good reason.
I just don't think the extreme fire rate really helps anything though. You just burn through ammo so fast its ridiculous. Then you have to be either very consciously conservative with your trigger pulls so you don't run out of ammo, or you have to carry twice as much. The reason I say that is, if you fire a one-second or half-second burst, you might end up with twice as many rounds on target, the last half of those rounds would be wasted if the target is already eliminated by the first 10 shots or whatever
Recently added a Vector in 10mm to my collection and after just one session it's easily my favorite by far. I've heard people criticize the ergonomics so I was completely blown away that I found the exact opposite. The ergonomics are by far my favorite. Not a single time were my hands/fingers and issue with the mag release or the bolt forward hardware. Maybe if you have giant sausage fingers this might be an issue, but for someone like myself that has big hands BUT not sausage fingers, this wasn't an issue at all for me. I paired it with a primary arms micro prism sight, with the tallest mount it came with and holy hell this thing felt great ergonomically. I would get another one in FDE chambered in a different round, it's that good.
it amazingly well designed gun, underused and underappreciated not because it doesn't make sense but because a lot of people especially in positions to make decisions are stuck in old ways and afraid of anything new
@@RichardEnglander I've only taken it to the range one other time since, and admittedly had a problem with the first round in the mag failure to feed. There were no issues with any other round not feeding, except for the first. I had planned on disassembly and lubing it really good and taking it back out, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
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I did my military service -94 (with the swedish-k) and there was a rumor there that if you forced a spring from another swedish-k into one of these guns, it would fire twice as fast and you cant stop it from firing, even if you stopped holding in the trigger. It sounds plausible but I would like to see it in practice 😅
I have a Vector in 9mm (semi only) and think its a fun gun. I love pistol caliber carbines and the vector is a great addition to my collection. Wish I could play with a full auto, but it is what it is. Highly would recommend for a range toy, but I agree with the criticisms
I feel like the design lends well to higher-power ammo. I know there's a version in 10mm Auto, but I wonder how one would perform if it was chambered in .50 AE or .500 S&W Magnum, as I feel like the recoil system would lend very well to that sort of high-recoil chambering.
@@bignickenergy2042 Not necessarily. It's only the pressure-bearing bits that need to be beefy. .50 AE most likely wouldn't be a problem since it has a lower case pressure than 10mm Auto, but .500 S&W Magnum might be a bit much with the 60k PSI case pressure. .45 Winchester Magnum or .30 Carbine might be a better chambering.
There’s no way. Just using 9mm the gun flexes like crazy. It would have to re-engineered and would weigh 25lbs to shoot chambered with .50. Not to mention I’d never want that caliber that close to my face.
6:05 Not only did the Swedish K make a crazy group, it also sounds just like an old FPS where you can shoot a gun faster than the next audio file can catch up.
The issue is use case, and each of your firearms is designed for a different use case. The better comparisons would be with the MP-5k, the Skorpion, and other machine pistols. The Vector is a concealable briefcase SMG for executive defense CQB, I.e. spray down the assailants while making a fighting withdrawal. Is it a great gun? Probably not, but it has to be evaluated for its intended use. 9-Hole Reviews has a very good evaluation of the Vector for its intended purpose.
Yeah, and the size comparison with an SBR AR-15 was dishonest. Vector is fully functional with the stock folded, while AR just can't. Also, 5.56 has both wack terminal ballistics out of a short barrel and massive overpenetration potential in SMG range. Projectile design can only do so much when you're trying to shoehorn a mid-century service rifle and its military cartridge into every niche you see. That being said, Vector is still less than perfect in a PDW\briefcase gun role. The weird operating system leaves the OAL\barrel ratio pretty weak compared even to a classic SMG layout, nevermind the mag-in-grip machine pistols, and the cyclic rate is still too damn fast, especially when you have to use 20-ish round mags to maintain a compact and concealable profile. A P90 would fit the same briefcase and have 50 rds and almost double the barrel for a bit weirder ergo and justifiable mass difference.
@@BlackBladeGroM my only contention is that the p90 isn't a bit weirder ergo, its atrocious. i hate the p90 ergo, but the vector is a pretty small learning curve and fits much more nicely, since it isn't as thicc
@@BlackBladeGroM If you're comparing folded stock configurations, you'll need to compare them with side folder ars like rattlers and dissents. They still come in at about the same size with longer barrels and more potent rounds in many configurations and will net you a much better trigger as well.
That's not a good comparison. The Vector is too large/heavy to be compared to PDWs like the vz.61 or MP5K. Concealing that thing would be pretty hard. For example, comparing it to the vz.61, it's basically twice the length and weight. Something like a 8" barrel CZ BREN 2 is a much fairer comparison in terms of size and conceabillity.
@@jojomaster7675 The Vector is only about 1.5 lbs heavier than the MP5k and only about 5 inches longer. The Skorpion is definitely lighter and more compact. However, the issue is use case and all three are designed for the VIP PDW use case. And, like the MP5k or even the MAC10/11 (or Micro-Uzi, for that matter), concealment is a matter of degrees, most are briefcase conceal rather than on-the-body conceal.
They designed a recoil management system that only works with obsolete pistol calibers. I straight up don't understand why it exists. A short M4 is just as small and will actually put down someone wearing something that wears body armor.
I love mine. No full auto but can dump a mag pretty damn fast even though it is a 10mm. Accuracy is great also out to 100 yards. No regrets. Wouldn't want it if it were chambered in any other caliber though.... Suppressor makes it even better
I have a CA Compliant CRB-II 9mm which is no longer compliant since I fixed that upon moving to Texas. But, when I first took it out I did experience a large number of FTE and FTF. I found this was in large part to my thumb riding up and hitting the bolt catch/release thereby impeding movement of the bolt. The second part of the problem was the lube had lots of grit in it and nothing was cycling smoothly. I promptly took it apart when I got home from the range and discovered the lube problem. Completely cleaned and lubed it and could already feel a difference in the action. It was quite a while before heading back to the range but did add the Kriss Mk1 rail, Surefire M612U, Leupold LCO, Magpul QD sling mounts, Vicker's sling, and an A3 Tactical angled foregrip wrapped in HEAD grip tape. I also took the thumb stop and pic rail cover and installed them on the top rails: the cover spans the Vector Pic rail and Mk1 hand guard rail to lock them together at the top, the thumbstop is just in front of the cover and right behind the front sight. I did this to help make the Mk1 rail more solid and if you want to shoot thumb-over-bore you still have the thumb stop. Once properly lubed and my hands comfortably away from the controls, but still in reach when necessary, the Vector was just butter. Super smooth. No problems. In fact, the only problem was the 80 year old RSO trying to say I was firing too fast - while zeroing the LCO. Yeah, not going back to that range (not just because I don't live there anymore lol). I love my Vector, I understand the drawbacks of them especially in regards to the weight - it is a bit of a pig for what it is. But other than weight the problems can be mitigated with maintenance and an attachment. photos.app.goo.gl/32zCL9icbdVEwCK27
"Just like Catholic school." That was an awesome joke, man. Charlie and Amin are hilarious together. And the D-cell battery thing was interesting. I had a friend who flew gunships in Vietname (Rest in Peace, David), and he and his buddies were talking about the Swedish K during a cookout. This video reminded me of him, that conversation, and made me wonder if they ever did that given all the random weapon mods during that particular war.
Absolutely love my Vector .45 . I never understood people's complaint about the ergonomics. I've never accidently dropped a mag out and all the controls are in accessible places.
I’ve learn that ergonomics triggers and safety’s will always be bitched about because people can’t fathom that not every gun is not meant to be the same
It’s kinda how Jeremy Clarkson described the Bugatti Veyron as a remarkable “technical achievement” but it is not the best car there is. The vector is similar in that it has an evidently very good way of controlling recoil on a >mechanical< level, but that alone doesn’t make it an amazing gun. Still one of the coolest tho I can’t lie 😭
The whole point of the vector isn't to compete with AR15 SBR, but to provide an option in 45ACP and 10mm in an SBR platform. Options for those calibers in AR15 are practically nonexistent. Also might have been a good comparison to do suppressed 300BLK and suppressed 45ACP Vector.
They have become very popular in AR platforms... so untrue. The vector was designed to be a zero recoil, extremely high rate of fire sub machine gun to compete with the p90 and a few other sub guns which all had the issues of stringing and controlability after a rate of fire achived.
Idk it feels like every 10mm PCC being made today is a AR that takes glock mags I just want a mag in grip (like a Uzi) 10mm that takes G20 mags for God's sake
@@alorrick7546 they were mag dumping in this video. I think a more realistic way to use the Kriss would be several controlled bursts of fire. Getting hit with in the chest with a tight group of several 9mm or whatever is a very bad day for anyone.
I really dig my Vector CRB. Got it set up to be as effective as possible. Only thing I have so its all I train with. I know it in and out, front to back. No reason to argue because its what I wanted to use. The Kriss angled foregrip for $15 eliminates most ergonomic issues.
I can see that .45 is inherently subsonic. So it could be good suppressed. But! 300blk is far more capable than .45 acp under most circumstances. IMO- people should never spend too much more for a PCC, than a handgun.
Good take. You’re probably right. However, some 300 blackout rifles have been known to be finicky. That’s not good for a home defense weapon which is what your pcc or 300 blackout gun will most likely be.
I've got a 9 SMG. Typically the stoppages are ammo or mag related since it's an inertia driven trigger / sear reset, not a timing setup like an AK / AR / Sig 553 / HK anything. Underpowered ammo will turn this into a single shot non-MG. Also mine didn't like the last batch of Norma 115 I tried to give it so I went to Magtech and it cleared up.
@@gifthorse3675 I have a 1916 dwm luger that will only eat 124g federal. even other 124g's will often turn it in to a jam machine. oddly my 1918 dwm arty luger seems to eat everything.
The lower recoil / controlability has probably more to do with the bore axis being lower than the trigger and basically centerlined with the stock than anything else.
Nope - bore axis position have almost 0 effect on sholder fired weapons. Barrel climb is a result of shooter compensating instinctively agains push to the shoulder. If you shoot prone you muzzle won't climb, if you brace the stock again a wall muzzle won't climb
I don’t understand comparing the Vector to an AR while it’s fully extended. 9 Holes has done a great video on the concealment and size of the vector in a PDW role. He also goes into how if you’re using a firearm in a car the Vector would be less concussive to the user and passengers than a rifle. The vector is a very niche platform but comparing it to an AR is just odd.
Yeah, it was an unfair comparision because the AR had its stock collapsed. No one will run it collapsed, while vectro had the folding stock which can be folded and still fire the vector. What a "fair" review...
Honestly I would love to see one chambered in a round like 5.7. I believe it might be more controllable with a lighter slug out of the barrel, and it would be good for armor pen at close range. You would also get slightly higher mag capacity to feed that high fire rate too.
@@tabr1s977 Uh... if you're running armor plates you absolutely would have a reason to run the butt-stock fully collapsed. Sure, the AR-15 has a disadvantage with not having a good solution adding a folding stock, but there are plenty of 5.56 rifles available that come with them standard(SIG MCX, FN SCAR, Bushmaster ACR, CZ Bren2, Beretta ARX, SwissArms 553, B+T APC223, PWS/Brownells BRN180, etc).
Swedish K, with a threaded muzzle, and a wrapped stock for me thanks. The accuracy is phenomenal, the history is amazing, the controllability is outstanding. Yeah, the Vector can put a magazine dispersed over a target in a few seconds, but you only need two to the chest, one to the head, and the bad guy is completely dead!
I think the swedish K just dominated the other two and the slower rate of fire would be a huge asset in battle. I wouldn't want my gun to go empty in a single 2 second pull of the trigger
All you gigadweebs can have the Vectors and B&Ts and whatever other giga-SMGs you can think of. I'll happily take the Swedish-K and it's ancient iron sights, and it ain't even close.
I have the .45 SBR. One of the things I love about it is the fact I can carry one caliber of ammo and use the same magazines in my Vector and my Glock 21. That allows me to carry more ammo in total because I firmly believe in Peace through sustained superior firepower. SemperFi
The Vector is designed around higher-power rounds like .45 and 10mm, and is arguably the best full-auto platform for those rounds. The trick is finding ammo it actually likes, and sticking with it. 9mm just doesn't have the recoil necessary to justify using the Vector's anti-recoil system.
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I always enjoyed how the Vector's bolt and recoil system is basically "what if Luger toggle lock, but flip that sumbitch?"
Oh my god... You've ruined the Vector for me. It's like somebody saw an Artillery Luger and a PKM sitting together and went "I might be on to something, but it needs MOAR SPACE AGE POLYMERS"
God why did you do this
@@R1NR4N ruined? Vector was my favorite gun and now I’m deeply love by this ahahaha
HANS, Zas machine gunz are too heavy!! We need zmaller faster Weaponz. Bring za Luger we have work to do!!!
aye who keeps liking this comment with me
@@ash3nsin784 Why in a German accent? Isn't the Vector American?
Kriss: "We made a proprietary recoil system to minimize recoil and muzzle rise." Sig: "We mitigate recoil by making the gun out of a space-age technology called STEEL."
Oh vectors are ridiculously heavy for what they are
@@1992djg mostly just front heavy because everything is in front of the trigger.
I purchased the 10mm crb last year, out of the box 90% malfunctions. Tried all the recommendations, lube, magazines, ammo types, and following the battery of arms etc. Replacing the ejector spring with a bmc got me to about 25% failures. The solve believe it or not was 125 grain and lower. Zero failures since I’ve kept to lower grain. The mag release issue was also solved by installing the extended shroud with a foregrip. Love this gun…
.45 ACP gone so fast! Good thing you have sponsors. That’s like $50 in a second! Each trigger pull to me has to be enjoyed to the fullest!
“It costs 600 dollars to fire this weapon, for twelve seconds” - Light probably
Spoken like a true Marine Charlie!!!! Can't have too many cyclic rates in the same place for too long
Lol I laughed out loud at this joke
Would you please do a video on “length of pull”, thanks!
I absolutely love my Kriss..Its probably my favorite to shoot in the arsenal and I have not had any malfunctioning whatsoever.Around 2500 rounds thru it.
No one commented on the batman joke "if you take that mask off will you die?" "No, it'll be extremely painful"
Definitely will be in my personal armory for sure!❤ ever since i saw it and luckily got to shoot it as well.
I just love watching, listening to, smelling SMG full auto. The only thing I would have liked to see rather than mag dumps are short bursts with target transitions; three targets would be ideal. Shooter would not often mag dump one target, rather a .3 burst putting six or seven rounds per target, then transition to the next.
At 1,200 rounds per minute, 20 rounds per second, the point of the hyper cyclic rate is more rounds per very short bursts. The MP5, just as an example, at 800rpm puts 4.3 rounds in a .33 burst while the Vector doubles that at 6.6 rounds in the same time frame. The problem with hyper fast cycling is always muzzle rise, thus the Vector’s system is to counter muzzle rise. Does it?
That’s why I wanted to see alpha performance in .3 bursts, with, likely what, .3 to .5 transition time. Point being, in 1.8 to 2 seconds on three targets the MP5 (just as an example) lays down 13 rounds while the Vector lays down 20 rounds. But… what is the alpha performance. If the Kriss Vector is getting 96s and 98s with twice the hits, well then…
I agree with you 100%.
i would love to see a vector chamberd in mp7 4,6x30mm caliber
Are there any transferable guns available? No. If they are above any one’s affordability
Everyone’s dumped their mag in under a second before, it just happens sometimes when you’re excited
Hahahahahaha
ejection disorder
Premature mag dumping
ayo what the
What’s that sticking out at that weird angle to the side? Oh, that’s just a stovepiped case. Don’t worry about that!
Not every gun will have a place in gun history, but one thing you gonna love or hate to admit is that the Kriss Vector WILL have a place in that part of gun history .
Kriss vector, p90, ak47, m4 all those iconic guns are so famous and make it into every shooter game 😆👍
@@7784000for real
And don’t forget the Desert Eagle 😬
As a hunk of crap 😂😂😂
@@AaronandKim no one agrees with you.
The pain in Admin’s eyes when Charlie said, “sometimes it even stopped shooting.”
The truth hurts sometimes.
I think it's settled. We need a belt-fed version of this thing.
For science of course.
At least a drum would help lol
I just busted.
They made that in Germany in ‘42 lmao
@@chadthunder4229 MG-42??
A Kriss Vector without a Full Auto Switch is like having a Ferrari but the engine is a Ford Model T
Right? I want it in full auto so bad!
It's why I sold mine.
@@obliviondust2719 you’ll end up using a mag on each person 😂
Just use the secret sauce and you're all good.
@@jeremiahjohnson3018 I sold mine because it was a 9mm jam-o-matic.
I remember getting to shoot one of these once. It emptied the mag so fast, I thought something went wrong, and the gun jammed. Nope, just no more rounds...insane.
Dang, Tom!
I see you never fired micro uzi. Compared to that Kriss is slow. But it is true you can hold kriss on target, micro uzi is all ower the place. 😂
Wait 'til you shoot the 10mm!
Tarkov devs are in absolute shambles after seeing how SMGs have pretty much 0 recoil in real life, even with no recoil enhancing attachments.
This needs to be sent to Nikita
This is why im just playing Singleplayer Tarkov until 1.0. I can actually edit things to be more true to life instead of whatever nikitas whims are. Like any 5.56 weapon, through my own edits, actually has manageable recoil. Plus if I want my gotdamn .50 Beowulf M4 i can just make it myself
Meanwhile, in Titanfall...
@@justingindhart3493 Vectors in game have practically no recoil and at the least I know the 9mm variant for sure doesn’t have the first shot kick like all other 9mm subs
Well that’s the thing
There’s a reason why Vectors got indirectly nerfed a bunch. Everyone just ran 9mm 7n31 Vectors where drum mags only took 2x1 cells like regular double-stack rifle mags.
Props to Admin Results for not dying of laughter with Charlie’s antics.
I love Charlie, "That guy is kinda scary... the one dressed like batman." Literally made me laugh out loud. Thanks guys- great channel.
I did as well.
Me to 🤣
Charlie. Is. Comic. GENIUS. don’t take a sip of any drink if he’s on. It’s dangerous.
@@jonduncansakurawallknifegarden He really is kind of a choking hazard…. 😂😂😂 no Cuomo
WTF... illuminati???
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The Kris’s vector is an insane example of modern weapons engineering at its finest. Also the only full auto gun I’ve ever fired and it was fun as hell
The only one you need to fire
@@SamanthaNoel-di3jmeh the mp7 is up there too
Kriss Vector full auto still on my bucket list
@@SamanthaNoel-di3jm nah mate. pkm, m249, 240b, m60, ma deuce come to mind as top tier priorities..
@@professorgoat1099 and MG42 at the top
I honestly never knew that the Kriss had that high of a cyclic rate. The brrrrrrt of these two unloading at the targets! Damn
One of the only things faster is a properly tuned mg42, but most are slowed down for reliability sake
it felt uncontrolled, like a broken valve. no wonder kriss have a 2 round burst.
How does the Vector's cyclic rate compare to the P90s?
@@thespectator5259 wipes the floor with the p90 when it comes to cyclic rate
@@thespectator5259 according to online sources the P90 is between 850-1,100 rounds per minute while the Kriss is around 1,200. And the prototype was originally around 1,500. But they brought it down for the production models.
I own a Vector in 9mm and while it's wholly impractical, you can get ANYONE into shooting with it since it's so damn cool and light recoiling. I slapped a vertical grip, red dot, and a suppressor on it and it's irresistible to new shooters to try out. All I wanted when I bought it was space gun aesthetics and that's what I got, I have no regrets at all about my purchase.
What price you got it for?
This right here. Idc about practical I just want space gun.
@@TheDivisionAgent SPACE GUN GO BRRRRRT
Yeah a cool "Extra" gun to have
Needs to be in 10mm
“If you take that mask off, will you die?”
“No, it’ll just be extremely painful.”
These two are a match made in Heaven. Love Admin and Charlie, and Papa Thumb, of course.
For you!
Those fuckers are related
@@robison87 Big guy!
@@robison87 I see what you did there
Do you feel like you're in charge?
The kriss vector is like the rotary engine of the gun world. unreliable but fun to use
How is it unreliable?
See at 6:52
@@kristofferjohansson3768I know this is old but you showed the Swedish k.
The cycling rate of the vector is mind blowing fast 🤯
Around the same as the Scorpion. 1200 vector, 1150 Scorpion
I can nut even faster than a vector mag dump.
@@dilldowschwagginz2674 it’s faster than the scorpion
@@dilldowschwagginz2674 Ppsh-41 has 1250 RPM
@@vanVoltaire PPSh definitely not 1250. More like 1100
Man that Chris guy seems really cool, I'd love to meet him
@@williamwhite7425 and then nobody will find him
😍🥰🤩 man crush much lol
The vector makes sense in one configuration: in .45 with a silencer and full auto
Will it cycle with subs tho?
@@LiberPater777 have to ask one of the 7 people with a vector lol
Wouldn't it be better to get a burst mod on it, assuming it to be legal of course? That seems like it would mitigate a lot of the... more quirky factors of the weapon, let's say.
@@RolaiEckolo Doesn't it come with Semi-Auto, Two Round Burst, and Full Auto?
@@xeldinn86 yep, sure does, just checked haha sorry don't know much about the vector, not really my style
If I remember correctly the Kriss Vector is equivalent to the Desert Eagle in that it was an experimental platform. The goal to tame the .45 ACP recoil. It's cyclical rate is a byproduct of it's novel design. Whether it's effective depends on how you measure it.
The trick is to get a good close group pattern with a full mag in under a second
also they made a cool and unique looking gun which in turn will be used in movies and games. so you get advertising and maybe some licensing money. that has to be worth something.
Except 45 is a garbage cartridge. Should used 10mm.
@@murphy7801 vector does have 10mm
@@notsoprogaming9789 do you think it would also be possible for other pistol cartridges?
I love how there's two sides to SMGs, there's the Grease Guns and STEN guns that fire at like 500 rounds a minute, and then there's the Vector that shoots at like 1500 rounds a minute
mac 10 does the same with a much more siple mechanism
The two sides:
Angry tubes and precision machining.
@@DH-xw6jp
Both. Both is good.
You mean 1500 rounds a second
The STEN is a grease gun wym
If the NFA and GCA ever got repealed this is one of the first sub guns I'd want. Obviously if I wanted a practical SMG it'd be an MP5.
After seeing the Swedish K in this video, I’ll take that over the MP5!
WHEN they get repealed, my brother.
@@TheAKgunner Or get a Smith & Wesson Model 76. It's based on the Swedish M/45 SMG, but has a different grip among other minor changes. The grip on the Swedish K is dummy thicc.
@@LUR1FAX The S&W M76. What the internet calls “Swedish K at home”.
When
When I first began enjoying and training with firearms as few years ago I rented a Kriss from a range down here in Texas. It was also the first full auto firearm I ever got to shoot and made for a wonderful birthday outing.
I had the exact same issues Mr. Results had with the Kriss.When I ran it I kept ejecting the magazine by accident as I kept gripping it by the magwell, and shying away from holding it by the very VERY Short hand guard. I even have some video of me dropping the magazine and looking down at it like a dork.
All in all Something I feel would be resolved by a handstop and a vertical grip. Not to mention a covered magazine release like some modern AR lowers have. Oh, and the training that Mr. Thumb reminds us that we all need.
The one stoppage that wasn't user error was due to the cheap steel cased .45 the range used for it. Though that same ammo ran fine in a UMP I also got to enjoy.
Still it was fun to shoot and taught me the importance of familiarizing myself with my tools. I'd also glady shoot it again if I didn't have to pay for the ammo costs. ^_^
It’s funny because that’s exactly how KRISS always depicted it: with a vert grip. It really really needs it.
"Looks like fun to shoot" that is about the only thing that pops into my head along with "nifty mechanics". I really do bet this firearm would be a blast at the range.
I too had the same issue as admin, but it was on catholic school
Honestly the one gun no game dev has ever gotten wrong, always a fun gun to use.
(Never wrong as in the enjoyment of using it, don’t know how accurate all of them are to the real thing)
The the insurgency sandstorm version is pretty accurate it kinda recoils in reverse to mimic the firing system
Insurgency Sandstorm gives you the full package, you can basically cut people down strafing them it shoots so fast and hits hard. Plus the virtually non existant upward recoil
@@wildwavesairsoft you freaking beat me! Haha
im new here does he speak like tom cruise as a joke?
only thing game devs get wrong is the rate of fire
The Vector is impractical, complicated, problematic, chambered in a poor round for its purpose and yet its one of my favorite guns ever lol
Why Is the vector's round choice poor? From what limited knowledge i have on the the vector i wholeheartedly believe it was designed for Police Officers/ S.W.A.T Officers for Use During CQB in places were a rifle round might over Penetrate and hit non combatants.
@@jacobcoleman he's probably a 9mm shmeat rider
Two world wars, Sonny!
@@jacobcoleman its just why .45acp? 9mm would be a better option for capacity and its stopping power is great. Or imagine in 10mm. Thats what im talking about
It's glorious.
That shot showing the recoil going up and down was an amazing shot, I knew the system operates the way it does but seeing it in slow motion and full auto watching the bolts motion in action was amazing, very cool design.
yea it was, reminds me of the time I rented a Thompson, granted the kriss looks a lot less than that thing's forward and backward kachunk. it was really interesting how when I pulled the trigger on that old gun I felt the sights drop as the bolt hit forward and then recoil, really felt like it was walking back and forth in my hands. I imagine that this thing feels like that but prob only 20% of what the open bolt thompson feels.
Time stamp would be nice
@@MrSolLeks Given that the Kriss was originally intended to be a modern replacement to the Thompson I can't say I'm surprised by the similarity.
@@milkbowl557 pretty sure its 3:57
I'm pretty sure that was an honest attempt at shooting a smiley face.
I own a CRB Gen II in .45 and it's honestly the most fun I've ever had with a gun. Totally different experience from anything else. A lot of people complain about the mag release which is why I HIGHLY recommend a foregrip and also the rail extension for anything else you may want to under-sling or put on top. A good RDS goes a long way as well. I own the Vortex UH-1 for asthetics as well as it just being a good red dot. And being as it is a CQC weapon, a good laser does well too.
I have the 10mm in SBR form with a suppressor, laser and flashlight. You're totally correct about the foregrip.....I have a vertical foregrip with the laser activator pad on it. Holoson sight and also the laser. I have a 3x magnifier as well lol
I am currently shopping for a 10mm CRB, so thanks for the advice.
I’ve shot that exact gun in 10mm. Insanely controllable and excellent target reaquisition. Plus with a spicy round like the 10mm, hitting steel was a piece of cake at distances up to and exceeding 100 yards.
Dayum, they got in 10mm?!
I would get one but CA will only give me cucked options.
How pricey is 10mm these days?
That's the one I want. Having just got my first 10mm pistol and fired it yesterday for the first time...oh boy, my new favorite round. The price can eat my ass but otherwise it's a fun round to shoot.
10mm ouuu that’s spicy
Cries in 10mm MP5 GBNF
@@aidenpearce7775 stiff, but its easy to reload.
I can see a very specific purpose of this smg. vehicle crews and protection duty. it's easy to fit a folded Kriss next to each person in a vehicle. Exiting will also be easier with a smaller gun. In an urban environment where most protection duties will be, the range and accuracy is more than adequate. The ammo is also a lot cheaper than the 5.7 that a p90 would use.
Or you could issue what the army already procured, the B&T APC9, which by every metric is a far superior submachine gun. Armorers already have enough to deal with, why curse them with a giant POS line the Kriss Vector?
9-hole made a case for this gun in its use in exactly that. I think this would be a pretty good firearm to use in Law Enforcement or Protection Duty.
WTF... illuminati???
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Wouldn’t an mp7 be a better choice for that role, I can’t think of any benefits this has over an mp7. 900rpm is more practical than the ridiculous fire rate of the vector, 4.6x30mm is better at armor penetration than 45acp and it’s smaller than the vector if you fold the forward grip and stock. So what is the point of carrying this apart from style and giggle factor ?
@@Bingchilling_enjoyer I did a quick search and the cost of a round of 45acp is roughly around $0.35-37 per round where the 4.6x30 is $0.63. While I totally agree that the 4.6 is better at armor penetration, it's still not as cheap or common as the 45acp or 9mm (which I think the Kriss can also be chambered in). It would be interesting to see the groupings between the 2 variants of Kriss VS the mp7 VS p90 seeing as how all of them were designed for the same sort of role.
i shot a full auto vector 45 this spring and its stupidly fast. i had the mp7 and p90 all full auto and there was zero comparison....P90 full auto was insanely easy to stay on target,has the best ergonomics, and largest magazine capacity. i was shooting steel man silhouettes at 50 yards and i had probably 80% hit flush with the p90. vector was like half because it shoots so damn fast. mp7 was underwhelming to me. also i saw that vector dump over 1000 rounds with zero malfunctions so im not sure why grand thumb was having issues.
apparelnty the brand of ammo he used doesnt play nice with vectors in general
It's because he didn't use the shoulder thing that goes up!
@@sstone0292 curse that shoulder thing that goes up
@@sstone0292 ah the old shoulder thing
I’ve shot a bunch of machine guns, the Ultimax 100 and the P90 were the most controllable, the MP7 wasn’t as good as the MP5.
I think the Vector may have a place in checkpoint security. That fire rate is guaranteed to stop any car or suicide bomber in its tracks, and the .45 limits the over penetration factor if used with other vehicles or civilians around, and the recoil control limits the spread at that fire rate and likelihood of collateral damage.
Same if you lived alone and were robbed by a group. It wouldn’t go through your exterior wall and end up hitting a neighbor, you could take out all intruders quick, and if you throw a suppressor on it you might not even wake up the whole neighborhood. Ideal for when a certain three letter agency thinks you have an illegal shotgun👀
@@RyanChavez-bs1enI think of several different entities and I feel like they are all correct.
Usa, fbi, Cia, nsa, atf... and my own personal favorite b(leeding) h(eart) l(iberals). Those are the most dangerous because they turn your fellow statesmen into treasonous cowards.
Any pistol round will shoot through a wall easily. What are you smoking
@@Robertsmith-un5cu you're not shooting through a foot of cement with a .45.
6:15 is gonna end up getting this video demonitized
The Swedish K, as an officer, was my main weapon in the Swedish Defence Force. I love it to death!! We were never educated what to do if there was a stoppage - because there never was any.
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that's a flex if I ever heard one. The K/Pist once again proves to be an absolute chad of a gun
We had a few in our competition shooting club. Turns out that when conscripts say that it is only accurate out to 50m; that is cause they are conscripts.
We could easily keep a 36 round mag-dump on a full sillouette at 100 meters.
Those guns just don't climb.
@@DonPatrono 100% FLEX & A GREAT ONE.
@@antonw-uw4ov I hunt deer with one.
My grandad has a pic of himself with a Swedish K in Vietnam. He wrote on the back about how cool it was
I love to see the group of gun tubers and the contrast their own element and locations bring. Reminder to be an operator of your own environment
Looking to get a 10mm Vector to use as a truck gun. They're fantastic and having a massive round like 10mm in a larger more controllable package yet small enough to be deployed in a vehicle without needing to worry about registering it as a SBR is a treat indeed.
Watching the recoil comparison, it was so obvious that the Swedish K was rock steady and seeing the (basically) one big hole was not a surprise.
well it probably weighs 2-3 pounds more than the others
Still to this day, Swedish K.
For the win...
True and a lil more weight doesn't matter if your shooting a gun lol
If nothing else it further convinced me how much I want a Swedish K lol
@@BeingFireRetardant Agreed....the 'K' is a much more desirable weapon IMHO.
There is a _very_ specific use-case for the Kriss Vector.
And on the consumer market, you mostly hear people buying it for the cool factor because of it.
It's an amazing piece of machinery.
What is the use-case?
CQB same as any other sub gun
Very specific use-case like when you want to make a person into a colander really quick..
Idk about the newer ones but, I owned a brand new one for about 2 days. Put 500ish rnds through it and it fired out of battery. Destroyed the receiver and the mag on factory remington .45. Ive read and heard many of the same stories. That use-case scenario argument for it being a work gun, thats pretty scary imo.
it takes glock mags / ammo so you can share your primary and sidearm.
Dude, the Vector I thought was gonna be the only gun that blew me away this video (I do not recall the original version having THAT high a rate of fire), but the (nitro-boosted) Swedish K's accuracy was fucking insane.
Please a link to the component he use on the K.
@@lmanher he just used a D-cell battery.
@@failure2extract
You can't stop a Coppertop.
@@lmanher literally just a D-cell battery lol
@@lmanher he literally just basically used a generic D-cell battery
One of my all time favorite guns. So many bullets in so little time. Would love to see a mag dump of a drum mag on that thing 😮 If they make one that is, haven't seen it before.
They take Glock mags so there absolutely is a drum mag
The admin/dr thumb is quickly becoming a favorite colab of mine! These two are funny af separate but together they can make the most serious stuff straight hilarious
Admin makes even charly funn.. bearable, so full agree!
Charlie is a Goddamn saint!
@@kappega sorry I think Charlie is a freaking genius in his delivery but the banter between them about the Roman Empire was epic
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again absolutely!! The stuff he says and they way he does it is so damn funny! And I believe under the act he is probably a legitimate expert.
I was just looking up weather these were worth the price tag or not. He never disappoints.
the brrrrrrrrt alone is worth it lol
@@VexxedSR if anyone asks you why we need to reopen the machine gun registry or repeal the NFA altogether, show them this.
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 Lead storm.
the whether outside is nice.
Lol I was not aware the “weather” news quotes price tags for smg. I learn something new every day.
So glad to see guntubers joining together and making quality content!
the Vector, as pointless as it might feel in the age of short rifles and pdw's, is probably my favourite gun by a long shot
there's just something really cool about it, and unlike the Deagle there at least seems to be some purpose to the madness
long shot?
I think for CQC it would be very useful, especially when folded it's compact. They have said for years their V system could be scaled up for rifle calibers, but they've never put out a 5.56, 300BLK, ect gun, and I'd be curious to see how the system does on larger calibers
I would also like to see that. Plus maybe a joint project with Fostech so that normies could enjoy the system. In Semi, it just makes the system heavier and bulkier for no good reason.
we demand a 7.62 vector!
@@d-hat .50cal Vec!!!
@@maxwest2655 I would be down for a vector in .50AE
I just don't think the extreme fire rate really helps anything though. You just burn through ammo so fast its ridiculous. Then you have to be either very consciously conservative with your trigger pulls so you don't run out of ammo, or you have to carry twice as much. The reason I say that is, if you fire a one-second or half-second burst, you might end up with twice as many rounds on target, the last half of those rounds would be wasted if the target is already eliminated by the first 10 shots or whatever
I love these for the same reason I love the M14, they aren't necessarily better, I just think they're neat
I love my M1A for bench shooting. It’s just a damn fun target rifle
Recently added a Vector in 10mm to my collection and after just one session it's easily my favorite by far. I've heard people criticize the ergonomics so I was completely blown away that I found the exact opposite. The ergonomics are by far my favorite. Not a single time were my hands/fingers and issue with the mag release or the bolt forward hardware. Maybe if you have giant sausage fingers this might be an issue, but for someone like myself that has big hands BUT not sausage fingers, this wasn't an issue at all for me. I paired it with a primary arms micro prism sight, with the tallest mount it came with and holy hell this thing felt great ergonomically. I would get another one in FDE chambered in a different round, it's that good.
Kriss in 10mm us epic combo.
it amazingly well designed gun, underused and underappreciated not because it doesn't make sense but because a lot of people especially in positions to make decisions are stuck in old ways and afraid of anything new
How's the reliability looking back?
@@RichardEnglander I've only taken it to the range one other time since, and admittedly had a problem with the first round in the mag failure to feed. There were no issues with any other round not feeding, except for the first. I had planned on disassembly and lubing it really good and taking it back out, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
I love how Garand Thumb reviews weapons really thoroughly, yet is super laid-back/funny at the same time. Awesome channel!
I used to not like him much if I’m being honest, but ever since he took roids and became a man I respect him enough to very much enjoy his humor style and content. Went from boy to beast in a year, incredible
I did my military service -94 (with the swedish-k) and there was a rumor there that if you forced a spring from another swedish-k into one of these guns, it would fire twice as fast and you cant stop it from firing, even if you stopped holding in the trigger. It sounds plausible but I would like to see it in practice 😅
I have a Vector in 9mm (semi only) and think its a fun gun. I love pistol caliber carbines and the vector is a great addition to my collection. Wish I could play with a full auto, but it is what it is. Highly would recommend for a range toy, but I agree with the criticisms
I got to shoot a full auto Vector at the range before and man when I say it dumps quick it DUMPS. So much fun.
“We had so many malfunctions…I didn’t even want to keep filming.”
Charlie: “Sometimes it even stopped in the middle of shooting” 😵💫
🤣🤣
I feel like the design lends well to higher-power ammo. I know there's a version in 10mm Auto, but I wonder how one would perform if it was chambered in .50 AE or .500 S&W Magnum, as I feel like the recoil system would lend very well to that sort of high-recoil chambering.
To be able to handle those kind of rounds the gun would be so massive and heavy
That's interesting, I wonder if Brandon Herrera would build one in .50 AE
then the 500 mag can go to Scott Kentucky ballistics
Full auto 10mm is all one could need from this type gun.
@@bignickenergy2042 Not necessarily. It's only the pressure-bearing bits that need to be beefy. .50 AE most likely wouldn't be a problem since it has a lower case pressure than 10mm Auto, but .500 S&W Magnum might be a bit much with the 60k PSI case pressure. .45 Winchester Magnum or .30 Carbine might be a better chambering.
There’s no way. Just using 9mm the gun flexes like crazy. It would have to re-engineered and would weigh 25lbs to shoot chambered with .50. Not to mention I’d never want that caliber that close to my face.
I always have a vector in tarkov!
...aimed at my legs spitting .45 real fast
Leg meta 45 rip
even with ap ammo, the .45 vector slices your legs in half before you can get your gun up
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Not only did the Swedish K make a crazy group, it also sounds just like an old FPS where you can shoot a gun faster than the next audio file can catch up.
I think just for the attempt at innovation this definitely deserves a footnote in gun history.
I still say a semi auto version is pointless, with this gun.
gotta love the federal government
Semi in a lot of weapons is pointless. I have a semi UZI and it's rather disappointing.
it still shoots extremely flat
We WILL have fun switches in our lifetime! Semi autos will become dinosaur relics of the past, I promise
Yeah well that’s because of crappy laws
The issue is use case, and each of your firearms is designed for a different use case. The better comparisons would be with the MP-5k, the Skorpion, and other machine pistols. The Vector is a concealable briefcase SMG for executive defense CQB, I.e. spray down the assailants while making a fighting withdrawal. Is it a great gun? Probably not, but it has to be evaluated for its intended use. 9-Hole Reviews has a very good evaluation of the Vector for its intended purpose.
Yeah, and the size comparison with an SBR AR-15 was dishonest. Vector is fully functional with the stock folded, while AR just can't. Also, 5.56 has both wack terminal ballistics out of a short barrel and massive overpenetration potential in SMG range. Projectile design can only do so much when you're trying to shoehorn a mid-century service rifle and its military cartridge into every niche you see.
That being said, Vector is still less than perfect in a PDW\briefcase gun role. The weird operating system leaves the OAL\barrel ratio pretty weak compared even to a classic SMG layout, nevermind the mag-in-grip machine pistols, and the cyclic rate is still too damn fast, especially when you have to use 20-ish round mags to maintain a compact and concealable profile. A P90 would fit the same briefcase and have 50 rds and almost double the barrel for a bit weirder ergo and justifiable mass difference.
@@BlackBladeGroM my only contention is that the p90 isn't a bit weirder ergo, its atrocious. i hate the p90 ergo, but the vector is a pretty small learning curve and fits much more nicely, since it isn't as thicc
@@BlackBladeGroM
If you're comparing folded stock configurations, you'll need to compare them with side folder ars like rattlers and dissents. They still come in at about the same size with longer barrels and more potent rounds in many configurations and will net you a much better trigger as well.
That's not a good comparison.
The Vector is too large/heavy to be compared to PDWs like the vz.61 or MP5K.
Concealing that thing would be pretty hard. For example, comparing it to the vz.61, it's basically twice the length and weight.
Something like a 8" barrel CZ BREN 2 is a much fairer comparison in terms of size and conceabillity.
@@jojomaster7675 The Vector is only about 1.5 lbs heavier than the MP5k and only about 5 inches longer. The Skorpion is definitely lighter and more compact. However, the issue is use case and all three are designed for the VIP PDW use case. And, like the MP5k or even the MAC10/11 (or Micro-Uzi, for that matter), concealment is a matter of degrees, most are briefcase conceal rather than on-the-body conceal.
I wonder how much of the recoil reduction is from their weird operating system and how much is from the fact that the barrel is well below the stock.
To me the Kriss Vector serves as a proof of concept for recoil management and is otherwise just "neat". Never seemed like a very practical weapon
It proves that bolt movement and barrel axis have very little effect of muzzle climb and how gun controls in general.
They designed a recoil management system that only works with obsolete pistol calibers. I straight up don't understand why it exists. A short M4 is just as small and will actually put down someone wearing something that wears body armor.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me 9mm is much more easily attainable.
@@Personell101 i'd prefer 5.56 than a 9mm in a gunfight
I wanna see them make this in 5.7
4:28 bane reference!
I love mine. No full auto but can dump a mag pretty damn fast even though it is a 10mm. Accuracy is great also out to 100 yards. No regrets. Wouldn't want it if it were chambered in any other caliber though.... Suppressor makes it even better
Same here 10mm semi has its own personality
10mm is the way to go!
It's a 21st century Tommy Gun on steroids.
What fmj and hollow p ammo do you use that's constant?
I have a CA Compliant CRB-II 9mm which is no longer compliant since I fixed that upon moving to Texas. But, when I first took it out I did experience a large number of FTE and FTF. I found this was in large part to my thumb riding up and hitting the bolt catch/release thereby impeding movement of the bolt. The second part of the problem was the lube had lots of grit in it and nothing was cycling smoothly. I promptly took it apart when I got home from the range and discovered the lube problem. Completely cleaned and lubed it and could already feel a difference in the action. It was quite a while before heading back to the range but did add the Kriss Mk1 rail, Surefire M612U, Leupold LCO, Magpul QD sling mounts, Vicker's sling, and an A3 Tactical angled foregrip wrapped in HEAD grip tape. I also took the thumb stop and pic rail cover and installed them on the top rails: the cover spans the Vector Pic rail and Mk1 hand guard rail to lock them together at the top, the thumbstop is just in front of the cover and right behind the front sight. I did this to help make the Mk1 rail more solid and if you want to shoot thumb-over-bore you still have the thumb stop. Once properly lubed and my hands comfortably away from the controls, but still in reach when necessary, the Vector was just butter. Super smooth. No problems. In fact, the only problem was the 80 year old RSO trying to say I was firing too fast - while zeroing the LCO. Yeah, not going back to that range (not just because I don't live there anymore lol). I love my Vector, I understand the drawbacks of them especially in regards to the weight - it is a bit of a pig for what it is. But other than weight the problems can be mitigated with maintenance and an attachment. photos.app.goo.gl/32zCL9icbdVEwCK27
Truly one of the most innovative recoil designs.
If there’s one gun that truly should have a vertical fore grip, this is it.
"Just like Catholic school." That was an awesome joke, man. Charlie and Amin are hilarious together. And the D-cell battery thing was interesting. I had a friend who flew gunships in Vietname (Rest in Peace, David), and he and his buddies were talking about the Swedish K during a cookout. This video reminded me of him, that conversation, and made me wonder if they ever did that given all the random weapon mods during that particular war.
Administrative results is always funny. With donut, with brandon, with flannel daddy. It's the funny weird cousin who has a hard time at home
Actually this gun is made to appear in Video games like MW19 and BF2042. And it works really good 😅
Escape from Tarkov as well. Very inaccurate tho.
@@MindShackleFilms recoil is fucking insane on it. Can only hipfire it
been in plenty of CODs since MW2
R6 too
Absolutely love my Vector .45 . I never understood people's complaint about the ergonomics. I've never accidently dropped a mag out and all the controls are in accessible places.
Because there are people out there who are evidently incapable of learning more than one control setup.
I’ve learn that ergonomics triggers and safety’s will always be bitched about because people can’t fathom that not every gun is not meant to be the same
I've shot my buddies 9mm Vector. This I Envy
My Vector .45 Gen 2 FTF at least once or twice per mag (using OEM glock mag with OEM Kriss extension) any tips?
Have you tried a Vector chambered in 9mm? I heard there’s minuscule recoil even if you full auto!
Amazing how far this gun has come. I remember watching it on Future Weapons on Discovery channel well over a decade ago!
I remember that, he shot a dummy through a car door.
If only Richard Machowicz knew how many kids he influenced. Rip
@@ButtThuck I had no idea he'd passed away. I loved his tv shows. RIP mac
@@philmcglen6194 Honestly, it hit me harder than I thought it would. I grew up watching Future Weapons. It's like hearing Spongebob died
5:25 is a very under appreciated clip.
It’s kinda how Jeremy Clarkson described the Bugatti Veyron as a remarkable “technical achievement” but it is not the best car there is. The vector is similar in that it has an evidently very good way of controlling recoil on a >mechanical< level, but that alone doesn’t make it an amazing gun. Still one of the coolest tho I can’t lie 😭
The comedic value Charlie adds to these videos cannot be overstated lol.
Couldn’t agree more 😂
I absolutely love complicated mechanisms, and low recoil guns. These two things put into one is a dream for me (the vector)
10mm
The whole point of the vector isn't to compete with AR15 SBR, but to provide an option in 45ACP and 10mm in an SBR platform. Options for those calibers in AR15 are practically nonexistent. Also might have been a good comparison to do suppressed 300BLK and suppressed 45ACP Vector.
They have become very popular in AR platforms... so untrue.
The vector was designed to be a zero recoil, extremely high rate of fire sub machine gun to compete with the p90 and a few other sub guns which all had the issues of stringing and controlability after a rate of fire achived.
Idk it feels like every 10mm PCC being made today is a AR that takes glock mags
I just want a mag in grip (like a Uzi) 10mm that takes G20 mags for God's sake
@@alorrick7546 they were mag dumping in this video. I think a more realistic way to use the Kriss would be several controlled bursts of fire. Getting hit with in the chest with a tight group of several 9mm or whatever is a very bad day for anyone.
@@alorrick7546 "They" have? Would love to know of an AR-15 in 45ACP, not a PCC based on an AR-15.
I really dig my Vector CRB. Got it set up to be as effective as possible. Only thing I have so its all I train with. I know it in and out, front to back. No reason to argue because its what I wanted to use. The Kriss angled foregrip for $15 eliminates most ergonomic issues.
I can see that .45 is inherently subsonic. So it could be good suppressed.
But! 300blk is far more capable than .45 acp under most circumstances.
IMO- people should never spend too much more for a PCC, than a handgun.
Good take.
You’re probably right.
However, some 300 blackout rifles have been known to be finicky.
That’s not good for a home defense weapon
which is what your pcc or 300 blackout gun will most likely be.
A semi auto “smg”, defeats the purpose of an smg
I've got a 9 SMG. Typically the stoppages are ammo or mag related since it's an inertia driven trigger / sear reset, not a timing setup like an AK / AR / Sig 553 / HK anything. Underpowered ammo will turn this into a single shot non-MG. Also mine didn't like the last batch of Norma 115 I tried to give it so I went to Magtech and it cleared up.
Yeah it can be ammo finicky
@@gifthorse3675 indeed
@@gifthorse3675 I have a 1916 dwm luger that will only eat 124g federal. even other 124g's will often turn it in to a jam machine. oddly my 1918 dwm arty luger seems to eat everything.
It looks special because it produces "that" sound without having rotating multiple barrels.
my dad used to have a ton of machine guns including the swedish K, this stuff makes me jealous :(
only problem is the kriss vector having the lowest damage due to the insane rpm
The lower recoil / controlability has probably more to do with the bore axis being lower than the trigger and basically centerlined with the stock than anything else.
Yep. The Vz.62-style system in it is all marketing hype.
Bolt movement works directly against muzzle climb... shits pretty legit.
Nope - bore axis position have almost 0 effect on sholder fired weapons. Barrel climb is a result of shooter compensating instinctively agains push to the shoulder. If you shoot prone you muzzle won't climb, if you brace the stock again a wall muzzle won't climb
I don’t understand comparing the Vector to an AR while it’s fully extended. 9 Holes has done a great video on the concealment and size of the vector in a PDW role. He also goes into how if you’re using a firearm in a car the Vector would be less concussive to the user and passengers than a rifle.
The vector is a very niche platform but comparing it to an AR is just odd.
I think that PCCs and SMG are just a niche platform in general.
Yeah, it was an unfair comparision because the AR had its stock collapsed. No one will run it collapsed, while vectro had the folding stock which can be folded and still fire the vector. What a "fair" review...
Honestly I would love to see one chambered in a round like 5.7. I believe it might be more controllable with a lighter slug out of the barrel, and it would be good for armor pen at close range. You would also get slightly higher mag capacity to feed that high fire rate too.
Everything gets compared to an AR now days and it’s getting old. I mean I like AR’s but even the military is phasing out the M4.
@@tabr1s977 Uh... if you're running armor plates you absolutely would have a reason to run the butt-stock fully collapsed. Sure, the AR-15 has a disadvantage with not having a good solution adding a folding stock, but there are plenty of 5.56 rifles available that come with them standard(SIG MCX, FN SCAR, Bushmaster ACR, CZ Bren2, Beretta ARX, SwissArms 553, B+T APC223, PWS/Brownells BRN180, etc).
I was thinking of trying to trade my SP5k for one of these with a few boxes of ammo. Now I'm not to sure 😕
Swedish K, with a threaded muzzle, and a wrapped stock for me thanks. The accuracy is phenomenal, the history is amazing, the controllability is outstanding.
Yeah, the Vector can put a magazine dispersed over a target in a few seconds, but you only need two to the chest, one to the head, and the bad guy is completely dead!
you have a whole mag, you see bad you ask him, “can i have one second of your time?”
I think the swedish K just dominated the other two and the slower rate of fire would be a huge asset in battle. I wouldn't want my gun to go empty in a single 2 second pull of the trigger
Fast fire rate may do very well against foes wearing ceramic plates.
M-3 grease gun.
@@maineiacman It's not gonna do shit to plates dude. This is a pistol caliber.
@@WillM1776 Unless we're talking about dinner plates it's not gonna do anything to them either
@@aniquinstark4347 ceramics would blow up under the amount of pressure from just a burst of .45
All you gigadweebs can have the Vectors and B&Ts and whatever other giga-SMGs you can think of. I'll happily take the Swedish-K and it's ancient iron sights, and it ain't even close.
This gun might not be good, but its name is gonna be remembered for a while. Like literally every videogame has a vector or some copy of it.
0:24 it's shame that u didn't figure out that it was *AMONGUS*
I have the .45 SBR. One of the things I love about it is the fact I can carry one caliber of ammo and use the same magazines in my Vector and my Glock 21. That allows me to carry more ammo in total because I firmly believe in Peace through sustained superior firepower. SemperFi
I can see the Vector being utilized by Tier 1 units in certain assault CQB scenarios… assuming the functionality issue is resolved.
0:06 "Hey! No noob tubes! No noob tubes!"
*Respawns with a Vector while **_still_** carrying M4 mags*
The Vector is designed around higher-power rounds like .45 and 10mm, and is arguably the best full-auto platform for those rounds. The trick is finding ammo it actually likes, and sticking with it. 9mm just doesn't have the recoil necessary to justify using the Vector's anti-recoil system.
Right? That was the whole idea behind the Vector.