Beating the RTX 2070 with Vega 56 Mods | Unlimited Power
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- We modded an AMD RX Vega 56 card to outperform the RTX 2070 with some powerplay table mods.
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The AMD RX Vega 56 card has remained a top choice of ours since its launch, but it has been scarcely available over the past year. Vega cards -- including Vega 64 -- have finally become more available with the collapse of mining, and they're particularly interesting when considering the current landscape.
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This was a really fun video to do. Love modding these cards.
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Can you do this but with ek's water blocks for the vega 56
Didn't you "lose" a lot of performance by not OC the RAM higher? V56 should get higher HBM then 950 MHz, or so i think. Is a V64 BIOS needed?
Great sound effects Andrew, I love it. B)
Great vid Steve and crew. B)
it will already has good compute and 7nm is a big enough jump. But there will be no comsumer card sold. a 7nm vega card with 64 compute units with have enough power to beat the 1080ti.
Have you guys ever done a efficient build? Compare performance vs voltage?
Nobody:
Vega 56: *_And this... is to go even further beyond!!_*
You mean vegeta 56
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
*reloads **-gun-** vega 56*
the fact that it can eat more watts than an average system and live is just a testament in itself, i bet most cards at 600 watts would just catch fire
Wow, that total system power consumption chart.... modded Vega 56 almost *DOUBLES* the power requirements of the system. I'm surprised the card didn't melt.
The new AMD drivers allow for a very reliable card at low gpu and hbm memory voltages. I run 875mV and 875mV on both.... no problems.
seeing the "relative" small difference between a 980ti and 2070 I'm sad to not see a GTX770 on the scale anymore.. still using it, not that bad :)
Steve! Where are these mythical “reasonably priced” Vega 56’s? Every where I’ve looked they’re still $450 to $550! Would like one of these that can over clock a bit!
I hope we see a change in GPU architecture from AMD soon. GCN was perfect for pushing new APIs, but we've been seeing the limitations of it the last few years.
Now that's a power hungry boi
imagine if Steve got a hair cut and shaved? 🤯
You should add RGB to the GN TShirt 😜
Is that the DQ 11 Important item screen behind the tshirts?
Supercharge your Vega. How you ask? By adding 200 watts.
oh no jay just got the Vaseline out
Loved the beginning! By the way, you should keep calling that shirt the “4-way SLI Foil shit” until they are sold out I lol’ed so hard the first time you said that!
God bless ridiculously over engineered PCI-E power connectors.
Yeah, I was wondering how much the reg. hack changed the power draw at the socket vs the 8-pins. I can't believe AMD left this type of power draw potential to the mercy of the Windows registry. Basically, a virus could make this happen too.. LOL.
Indeed PCI-E power connectors have so much headroom haha
@Cuzeg Spiked So why exactly is that so much more dangerous than any voltage sliders? You can just download Intel xtu of Ryzen master and set the voltage to something way too high, (yes even on locked Intel models), disable power limits and just let it pull what it wants. Sure your MB might run into limits, but I'm pretty sure you can send 1.6v into your cpu, admittedly I never dared to try though. Anyway, by the time someone has access to your reg, you probably have more to worry about
so you can push 300W from an single 8pin. the Pin limits are kinda BS for the most part.
+Cuzeg Spiked Malware like that already exist, but 99% of the time it requires you to "run it as administrator" and I highly doubt anyone's going to run a random .exe they found on the internet as administrator..you'd also need to enable all the different virus stuff manually, as trying to do it via a automated process is impossible due to how the Windows registry works.
I would still like some feedback from your senior AMD correspondent on this, because I prefer to make all hardware purchasing decisions based on cats.
We're almost done revamping the old studio! She'll be in broll soon!
n00bfish damn u base ur decision on cats thats dope
But his cats doesn't have any new Halloween outfits for this year. 🤪
hypo krites One can only hope.
HBM3 is hopefully not a pipe dream.
New GN drinking game, take a shot every time he says "average"
RIP
@@GamersNexus exactly.
Oh gawd
GN shot glasses that match the beer glasses?!
Finish the bottle if he says median
This was what Vega was actually planned to be, but those damn miners fucked us all up
Steve I don't have money to buy your shirt but good damn is it beautiful
Thanks! Glad people like it!
steve you've made the happiest princess with that heart :)
Need to put a disclaimer on that shirt. NO! you will NOT be faster then a speeding bullet or more powerful than a locomotive and NO WAY can you leap a tall building in a single bound but you sure as hell would look like you could!
and i don't wanna pay the shipping plus 60% tax
Just note that the custom 4-colour foil design is not within standard spec. and with increased power there will be significantly higher thermals. Unclear if this will void warranty. Generous application of deodorant may provide additional protection.
Note to self. Dont buy 2nd Hand Vega Cards. Lol
Degraded performance anyone? Lol!
@@KEYBEATZ there is no such thing, multiple tests you can find confirm it as well as personal use. GPUs are not mechanical devices, there's nothing to be prone to extensive wear apart from cooling system.
@@yubos98 If you honestly believe that heat or overvolting doesn't put extra wear on components, then I have a bridge that I'd like to sell you.
@@MotorHorse ah...another person who doesn't seem to know how GPUs and for that matter any microprocessors works. I can tell you from personal experience and common sense that until you hit TJmax of a specific component, it's going to be fine for many many years. Even really hot GPUs if they stay within their designed temperature limits will work fine for decades if not exposed to frequent power shortages and maintained properly by their owners(that means cleaning the cooling system and changing thermal pads along with whatever thermal compound is used for the core), at which point malfunctions happen due to peripheral electronics going bonkers and not core itself.
The thing is not mechanical(apart from fans) and silicon degradation even if it is a thing happens at a much later stage than even 10 years of use.
People who are afraid of used mining cards are just people who are probably afraid to dissasemble the damn thing and shouldn't buy used things in the first place, that is too complicated for them.
I've seen plenty of supposedly "dead" cores revived by resoldering memory chips and vrms, as well as refurbishing whole PCBs from different model GPUs by resoldering the core itself to another unit entirely due to two models having similar memory chips configurations as well as sufficient power subsystems. And those frankensteins lived, perfectly stable for that matter.
Trust me, I've seen hot gpus, I've seen old gpus and I've seen plenty of people thinking of GPUs and CPUs as of coffee grinders, apparantly. Guess which of these 'items' were just fine and which weren't.
@@yubos98 Good thing Science doesn't operate off of personal experience...your analogy fails because all components are technically physical. We like in a physical universe. Granted, there is less wear due to it being a non-moving part, but damage can and will still occur. That damage just may take decades or centuries to accumulate to a point that breaks the component. That's why you see most carefully treated components from the 80's still working great...until you look at the stuff that was run hard. Lifecycles change due to wear. Sorry, but you are wrong.
See, I knew my 1000w PSU would come in handy.
/s
i have 64 card and its messing about i have a 750 psu just ordered a 1000 psu hope it sorts my probs lol
@@davidbridge3118 what psu do you have for the 700w?
@@techbuildspcs it was the psu it was a 750 corsair prob faulty put 1000 in alls well
@@davidbridge3118 what was happening with the 750 psu?
@@techbuildspcs it was not putting out enought power as amd cpu and card was draining it a friend said change your psu so i took the leap and that was sorted
The vega 56 or 64 Overclocked would go perfectly with an i9 9900k for those gamers, writers and computer users wintering in Anchorage Alaska and Queenstown New Zealand - saving in home heating costs at the same time as getting excellent computing performance.
Heh. You got that right.
This card makes sens for EU users in 2022 😅
as a canadian i can say i do in fact use it as a space heater with my 8700k at 5.0 and and v 56 ocd to 1700 bahaha 500 watt space heater.
Unlimited POWAAAHH - Emperor Palpatine
I really wanted a couple Palpatine editions of Vega that came in full water blocks and the same phrase. I would have quickly thrown $800 each into them without a second thought. Instead I ended up with a piece of trash Titan Xp Empire collectors edition that should say "power throttling, screaming like a pod racer, and thermal throttling like Anikan being burned alive!". So I haven't used it in months, its pretty garbage, instead I've switched back to my oritinal duel R9 Fury cards (they also make better fps in most of my games since most of my game library does multi-GPU, and since they never power throttle, the 1% lows are way better and much less choppy). Sad when duel GPU is smoother than the flagship cards...
It should have dedicated fan for the POWAH connectors though. Not to cool them down or something, that’s just impossible. It’s needed as an alarm, allowing you to smell the thing burning fast enough and preventing fire from consuming the entirety of your apartment xD
*puts an extension plug into its own outlet*
Do it!
Upgraded to a Vega 56 a few weeks back after 13 years of using Nvidia GPUs exclusively, it's a beast and absolutely the best choice if you use a Freesync monitor. No insane mods here but undervolt is very effective for power and clocks.
Agreed. I did some testing myself on my Strix 56 last week when i was going for 3DMark scores. Leaving voltage and clocks at stock but setting the power limit to +50% reached 290-300 watts. I then dropped voltage -100mV to 1.1V and it went all the way down to 210 watts in Firestrike. I also gained about 50Mhz, from 1480 to 1530Mhz.
I played around with bumping clock speed from there and reached a sustained 1610Mhz with ~275 watt power draw. Kind of annoying the actual clockspeed never comes close to the set number in software though. Set it for 1590 and the card will do 1525-1530 but never more. 1610 Mhz needed to be set at 1715Mhz in GPU Tweak. :/
At least it got me to the top of the 1600X/Vega 56 Firestrike charts :D
But's the uber power mode is dope as fuck lol. I feel ya on switching from nvidia. When they have a card faster than the 1080 ti for a good price I'll make the switch. Nvidia really fucked up with the 20 series.
That's impressive! I'm not lucky enough to own a Strix; I own the Sapphire Pulse model because it was dirt cheap at the time. It's only got a dual fan cooler, and it gets loud dispersing heat. I also only have a 550W Thermaltake London power supply and an A320M board. I don't feel confident pushing 275W like you do, but I am satisfied at 950mV with the memory clocked at 950MHz or so (still finding stable clocks). Core clocks approach 1500MHz.
And hey, I have a 1600 too! Not the X model, though. Ryzen is great and I couldn't be happier that there is genuine competition there. I'd been using Intel CPUs since the Core Duo processors and the present situation gives me fond memories of picking an Athlon 64 over Pentium 4... monopoly has sucked for CPU and GPU markets
I feel like Nvidia did exactly what they wanted to do, but it was a terrible decision. They had this tech they wanted to push that would solidify their market position, and represented a genuinely huge step forward. They had enough of an advantage in the market that they thought they could throw the cost of the new tech on the buyers. After all, Vega was a failure and mocked for its power use, and Nvidia moved forwards as if they were a genuine monopoly presenting an amazing step forward (that nobody really asked for) for just a few hundred dollars extra. The same thing happened to them that happened with Kinect; people balked at the cost and disregarded the new 'feature' that nobody wanted in the first place.
That's not to say that the RTX cores aren't revolutionary, but nobody cares. It's premature.
What should I set the power percentage to in gpu tweak? I under volted my strix 56 but that’s it.
How long did it take to ray trace the shirts?
A couple days of rendering on an old machine!
Tee is a bit loud for me, but if it was a similar graphic that's much smaller and to the side like where small logo would be, that might tempt me. I began building back in the beige box days, so i am a bit late getting with all the RGB bling etc.
it uses real time ray tracing
I wonder how's the RTX Off version...
RTX Flop
Hmm how far can Vega 64 go with this mod
I really want to know!
Core will go about as far unless you flash the liquid cooling BIOS (1.2v in 56, 1.2v in 64, 1.25 volts in 64LC). The HBM can go much further. It runs at a higher voltage in 64 and 64LC, and can run 1100+MHz.
@@Bandit5317 so what about performance compared to Nvidia's lineup?
I flashed a 64 BIOS on mine (to get the V64 memory voltage) and i can get a stable 1650/1100 on a 1.1VCore undervolt and +50% power limit in Wattman without any registry mods. It outperforms a 1080 in almost every case, and is perfromance wise about this one shown in the video. But that might depend on your silicon lottery. Some card might need 1.2VCore for those clocks in which case the wattman power limit won't be enough or the memory won't go as far as 1100Mhz in which case you cannot do anything about it (mem voltage is locked in BIOS). I expect the 64 to differ very little because Vega is memory bandwidth staved, not CU staved, so the 8 CU more (+12%) do not give much on average... maybe half of that or about 6%. The real difference is the overclocking of the memory from 800 Mhz (V56=800) to 1100 Mhz (V64=950+150Mhz). A lot also depends on temperature, since it will throttle because of that if you don't cool it well. So buy an aftermarket version or equip it with custom water cooling. In My case it is equipped with an NZXT G10 bracket and a Thermaltake Asetek water cooler with 240mm rad. Or just buy a 1080, since those can be found at the same price and you don't have to fiddle around...
BuildZoid did a few livestremes with his vega's on ln2 a while ago (he killed a Vega Frontier by voltmod)
i'd say you'd get a similar bump on the 64's performance and probably hit the same clocks.
Now mod the Vega 64 to death with no holding back (registry and BIOS mods, maybe XOC BIOS, shunt mod all the good stuff) and try to beat the RTX 2080 Ti (use OP cooling too, don't let that 560mmx80mm Monsta radiator and chiller box go to waste ;p)
i don't think the vega 64 is able to reach 1080ti performance. but it might come close to a stock one.
@@ReizungV now the question is, who's going to find out?
@@thespanishinquisition7560 what do you mean?
MAKE VEGA GREAT AGAIN!!!
Vega was never great.
Neither was the original subject of that motto...
No..... make GPU more realistic price again
@My Company GmbH RX580ZEN1600 Considering AMD has nothing against Nvidia on the high end I consider they're great. Maybe Navi will pack a punch, maybe not.
Anyone else realizing that this means that a Vega 56 nano could draw like 400 or 500w!?! I am building a custom case for SFF and I was going to get an r9 nano rn and then upgrade to a vega 56.. looks like I will be upgrading my Pico PSU right now XD. I need a 400w just for the gpu
AMD is cool for letting to do stuff like this, and they actually benefit from it! :) People test and push the envelope with bios mods etc. and they can see exactly what their chips are capable of when the hive mind is put on the job!
Not saying AMD engineers are not brilliant, but nothing beats the hive mind! ;)
Yeah Vega was designed as a one stop jack of all, AMD being tight on money demanded as much.
AMD has a major change in arch coming, possibly not even a GCN variant. GCN cores are HEAVILY constrained by memory speeds.
i want to buy an AMD GPU, Vega even, but i can't bring myself to without XFX's lifetime warranty or something like EVGA's extendable warranty :/
i agree, good job amd. on the green team we hade kinda the same good stuff with maxwell, my 980TI went 1680mhz on a custom bios with only 1.250 volt to the core. & 8900mhz on some samsung ram. right in the ass of a 1080 GTX, good stuff :). allso i realy want a vega 56 now, with custom ek water block :O
If Nvidia finds people exploiting their cards en masse, they'll patch it. AMD is like "here's a videocard, have fun".
Thats the content im subscribed for! :D
I bought the Sapphire Vega 56 Pulse from Newegg for $379.99 new. Came with an AMD $150 game bundle. You just have to watch for sales. I had planned to buy 2 of the 3 games they gave me. Knock $100 off for those two games and I gave $279.99 for the GPU. I paid that much for a XFX RX 480 GTR a couple years ago.
wow you are so lucky.
@Darkobssession , "Yeah amd is only good at selling games"
Don't be jelly bro. I can't help it Ngreedia only gives you high prices and inferior graphics.
THAT WAS A BARGAIN
@@granityseis104 I really like the card and would recommend it. It would depend on your opinion of the cooler though. It has a short PCB (Nano) with the full size cooler. I think it looks cool and it runs cool. www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202318
cool story. meanwhile my runs 1080 ti at 2.1 ghz, cost me 550 including 2 games which i sold for 30 each.
I´ll be back.... or the Vega 56 is 😂👌Love the Mods Steve !
Considering you can get Vega 56s for $400 cost and get a $30 rebate card and 3 free games its a deal you can't refuse.
The Crazy Old Coot yea I’ll still pass but it’s a decent deal.
:) Same will be for your electrical power company who will be collecting more money out of you and for your PC which will be more warmer during this upcoming winter. lol
@@artmanrom lol the difference wouldn't even be measurable. If you played games 24/7 for an entire month the power bill would rise by around $2.
But if you even used this crazy offset and drew 250 more watts vs a Nvidia... And you play 4 hours every day... Well then your power bill would rise $3. And if you played 5 hours instead it would be 3.60$.
This would be vs a 2070 (since it's the level of performance you would see).
With a normal vega vs a 1070 the difference is like 50w (at 225 watt target) meaning that every 20 hours of gaming = $0.10
7:54 RX580 has the same 0.1% low as the 2070... whoa.
yeah that was the thing with the 480, they said they engineered it to have really good 0.1% so it won't stutter. but it did stutter in the beginning because it was new then everybody forgot about it.
@@SoulTouchMusic93 it's true i have one and fps are so stable that i feel having a better gpu
RX 580 is a really good card. Most users probably only need the 4gb version. I might go Vega soon, but currently I have no complaints on an RX 580.
@@ryanb.2967 so it was not just my imagination then
So my question is can the Vega 64 card do the same as the Vega 56? Cause if a Vega 64 card can outperform a RTX 2080 That would be more intriguing.
depends on what brand hbm2 is on it my vega 64 lc as samsung hbm2 on it an it can easily run 1100mhz hbm2 can even go 1150ish in benchmarks
Running the worlds most powerhungry system instead of just getting a 2070 that costs less than a Vega 64 sounds stupid tbh.
Impossible for V64 to reach a 1080 Ti; you'd have to make up over 35% to get there.
It doesn't take much for a vega64 to beat the 2070 though. Also it can clock/volt beyond what the 2070 is capable of doing so after a point it's impossible for the 2070 to be pushed far enough to keep up. It's the same story vs the 1080.
The moral of the story is AMD let you do what you like. But Nvidia put hard restrictions in place so that you can't buy a cheaper card and have it outperform it's more expensive ones.
Maybe if the 2070 was stock. An OC'd 2070 would still be close and cost $200 less than the Vega 64. (atleast where i'm from) Not to mention how powerhungry the Vega 64 would be, meaning that you'd have to invest in a more powerful PSU aswell.
And as he mentioned in the video doing OC like this on the AMD cards isn't that good for them long term, and is basicly retarded without a really expensive cooling solution.
A GN shirt is the only thing I will ever pre-order.
Wait for reviews...
Would love to see what TDP the foil is rated for and how efficiently it can transfer body heat. Obviously different TIMs will have to tested, followed by lapping of the chest via the Gillette method for additional testing.
FFS I just sat through this entire video, went to read the comments, only to realize I both watched and commented on this video 4 months ago. Fml
I would like to see someone do this mod on both 56 and 64 and do updates on performance 1 week out, 1 month, 3 month ect. Just to see the lomg term effects of running the mod. If damage is minimal or a non issue it may be practical. Ive never even consider Vega but im really thunking about it now!
Have a Vega 56 with a 64 bios on a custom loop, have overclock of 1685 on core 1000 on vram with only 50% offset on power rock solid stable since day one never exceeds 57-58 degrees get 1070ti - 1080 type performance. Absolutley love the card! (reference card by msi btw)
Do you have Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands? I'd be interested in your benchmark in that, as I have a 1070 Ti with a moderate overclock, and I really want to go team red, but I don't want to lose performance or reliability, per se.
Wait for AMD's next generation of cards before swapping to AMD, doing it now for the same performance just because you want to use AMD is a financially stupid choice, wait until you get a decent performance increase and save your money.
@@JETWTF thanks. Nvidia just really rubbed me the wrong way with this last launch, and unfortunately it bugs me to have a card in my system that I supported them with. It's dumb and trivial, but still. Fingers crossed that AMD pulls a Ryzen in the consumer GPU market and dishes out some justified competition.
red dragon doesnt flash
@@JETWTF Any half decent gamer knows freesync and gsync is a must these days and factoring in the price of a $600+ monitor with gsync vs a $400 freesync equivelent means you will be paying more for the nvidia card and a hell of a lot more for gsync just to get 20 to 30 fps more which probably does not mater when most cards will play perfect at either 1080p and 1440p. Most of the market is mid grade hardware and low end. Not many actually go out and buy 1080TI and 2080 TI, i know none of my friends have. Also i work in IT and ive come across not one single person with what i would call an actual high end spec gaming computer with 1080 Ti or Titan's, What i see are 1060 and that statistic also proves 100% true when you look at most hardware used on steam. top of the list for video cards used on steam is a 1060 1070 1050 ti 1050 960 etc. Mid tier sub 350 buck cards. So my question is at that level people pay more for a decent monitor with gsync for all those 1060 in the market, basically they have spent more then buying a vega 56 and a cheaper freesync monitor. Now lets look at your argument again,
JETWTF QUOTE
Wait for AMD's next generation of cards before swapping to AMD, doing it now for the same performance just because you want to use AMD is a financially stupid choice, wait until you get a decent performance increase and save your money.
be interesting to see how 7nm process Vega does, with most likely improved performance (-10-25%) and much better performance/power efficiency.
yeah I'm probably going to pick up some used old GPU to wait out until the 7nm vega. I've always been more interested in 2 things 1.price/performance 2.power efficiency. Vega 56/64 were bad at the latter. The RX400-500 seres were the sweet spot of both, but I'm waiting to see how much more 7nm will do for that.
Im wondering if they will try optimize it so you get the above performance but with power usage similar to 2070 perhaps (being hopeful here). Also, i believe the power usage goes up for the 2070 if you use the RTX cores, so thats something to remember.
Sadly we don't even know if 7nm Vega will ever hit gaming cards. It's available now in one form or another.
theres no consumer 7nm vega
the 500 series was also pretty bad in terms of power efficiency, because of high stock voltage, and exaggerated clock speeds. Polaris is actually a highly efficient arch, it's sweet spot is actually lower clocks like a gb windforce 480, from what I've seen 580 is pushed to the thermal and power limit and will likely get unstable with undervolt while keeping high clocks.
Vega 64s can be had for 449 on newegg
And 3 free games😁
That's pretty damn cheap. I saw a Vega56 for $379 the other day too on Newegg....
That's really mighty competitive once you undervolt, overclock the HBM and flash the BIOS.
Vega64 performance is very easy to attain.
@@Jimster481 from what I've read you can't flash the sapphire 56 pulse with the 64 bios and if you get a 56 without the Samsung ram you can't OC it past 950. Don't know as I don't have a 56. All 64s do have the Samsung ram though
You'd be better off getting a GTX 1080
@@Jimster481 most of the new Vega 56s you can't flash the Vega 64 BIOS anymore. I can get 1100mhz stable on my RAM, I've never seen a 56 do that. (I might be able to go a little higher on the RAM speed but I know 1100mhz is stable in games.) But I can also do 1200mhz while I mine aka my winter space heater haha.
Also @gamersnexus you guys missed a joke saying it's winter time so everyone needs to bring out the space heaters again haha
AMD sold a lot of cards to miners which probably made them a bunch of money, but may have hurt AMD too. If Vega had not been silly prices it would have sat better in the market for people who look for optimum price performance ratio for their needs.
I chose a 1050ti as a stop gap because it saves power and the only game i play is Fallout 4. i am interested in Cyberpunk and a new BGS same called Starfield, so will be looking to upgrade. I hope Vega 7nm or Navi is good, because i have just dumped Intel after using their CPUs for nearly 20 years and want to dump Nvidia too.
I also want to dump Windows for Linux but I have not had much joy with Linux yet (I keep trying though). i like to vote with how i spend my dollar. if companies are assholes i try to avoid them.
I will have to agree on that the timing of the launch is just bad.
+Aquila Rossa
Point of correction, but AMD did not sell cards directly to miners. They only ever sell the chips to manufacturers of cards (save for their reference cards, and reference cards are sold to resellers, not directly to miners or anyone else).
It's more accurate to say that miners bought a lot of Vega 56 cards. While AMD didn't exactly condemn that behavior - in fact, they even made mining improvements to their drivers - the only way they were profiting from this is by selling their supply of chips. The raised retail prices did nothing to add to AMD's bottom line (or Nvidia's, for that matter).
How does AMD selling more cards hurt them?
@@gargantuan4696 Because the general user tends to be brand loyal while the miners don't care. If the mining boom dies (as GPU sales for mining already has) then AMD has no fan base. They want to get a better market share with people who will later upgrade to future AMD cards, and who will recommend them to others.
They can sell to both can’t they? Last I checked AMD was in the business of selling cards.
More videos like this! This was amazing!
oh dayum just dont burn down the neighborhood
Don't worry he's not running an i9
@@Nesformers or a Note 7
You can only run it legally in the winter.
I was gonna do work, but then I saw that you posted.
I was gonna clean my room, but then I saw that you posted.
I was gona get up and find a broom, but then I saw you posted.
I was gonna play game with my clan, but then I saw this video popped up in my phone notification.
Damn the red dragon is considerably faster than the reference v56 card. Especially for the 1% and 0.1% lows.
I'm amazed at 1% fps in F1, which is on par with 2080Ti FE - wouldn't have thought it would be possible. This was great and fun "what if" content, really nice, GamersNexus!
That's just insane. The power consumption almost doubles.
Good luck on keeping that gpu alive. :D
Also the power cost will explode in certain countries.
In Germany with 0.30€ per kWh it's an expensive experiment. :-)
Only when you game. What is like 30cents every hour you game. Peanuts compared to upgrading costs if you calculate to every hour of gaming
@@khargan27 i just make a lot of money. I'm 38 i am not living in my parents basement if that's what you are implying.
Freesync.
Is shit.
Poor AMD users have to literally roast their GPUs to make use of their monitors, what a shame.
are you alright dude? that's a lot of salt for one dish
Lol yall can be crybabies if you want, but the vega 64@ constant clock with 144hz freesync is buttery smooth lifelike awesomeness.
@My Company GmbH RX580ZEN1600 Honestly nvidia is better with gsync and a 1080ti or 2080ti. Theyre just faster. But value wise Im very happy with what I have. 7700k delidded@5.0ghz&vega64
I have a asus strixx 56 with 64 bios. PPtable with 350w ceiling (no offset just hard limit set), but the card never goes beyond 280w, whatever i do. How are you able to actually push it beyond 400w?
**edit** nevermind, the 'problem' was heaven bench. Msi kombustor/furrmark has no problem pulling 400w. With a ekwb block, sub 60°c. Time to give this card a new life, paired with a ryzen 5 5600G on a ekwb monobloked msi x470 gaming pro carbon.
VEGA 56/64 is getting so GOOD, check that DARN Radeon PRO 8200 again as think you were one of the few to have one of those rare releases. The drivers recently gave it a boost to start running like 1080 ti's in certain games or coming close from when release it was between a 1070 and 1070 tyi at best, shows how hardcore they have been taking care of VEGA 56/64 & Radeon Pro 8200/9100 (guessing 9100 also) so would LOVE, LOVE if you still have your 8200 to see the changes, its excellent! .... Keep going AMD, and I was an NVIDIA guy thru and thru... It also shows how much drivers held back AMD and mostly how much drivers and optimization over time can make something better and also that AMD is now still going hard with tweaking for the BEST of its GCN-5.0 (UNSURE if 4.0 exist but they did cease on GCN up to 3 at least if not 4 but not its GCN 5.0 AND RDNA obviously THUS we are getting something BEAST! .... of VEGA/VeGa-10 (later released 8200 with fixes for games & all so it is a multi use card) THEY are showing they are like fine wine, least with VEGA cards NOW in 2022, amazing - if this keeps UP I will stay with AMD and intel fort CHIPS…. Maybe they can unlock these cores on the RADEON - 8200 WX PRO , GRR....
Always said AMD produce some amazing GPUs just no one pays attention
maybe people will pay attention if they're actually amazing without being pushed WAY beyond the specified operating condition?
I'd love to see what actual tuning was done... he's showing a 950 HBM clock, which is limiting. Not showing what voltages he's using. My Red Devil 64 will hit nearly 1700/1085 on air with the normal +50 power and voltage around 1100mV vs 1200mV stock.
And still no one pays attention!!!!
AMD and high power consumption are together since the begining of times, skip the gen HD 5000 (the engineer maybe be fired for doing good job) and continuous the good job of heat and power consumption 👌👌
@Darkobssession *"MID RANGE"*
@Darkobssession"makes nvidia to overprice" What? Just... what?
Oh wow, is that Vega in the title. Feels like forever since you did something with it, got the instant click from me at 02:49 AM :)
Turing is so shit that it makes even Vega look good.
you do realize this isn't a stock vega 56 right? This is way out of specified parameters, and draws power like a fat girl eats icecream. Yes Turing is unimpressive, but being disingenuous doesn't help.
Turing has yet to ship with the specified parameter known as "RTX"
I'd rather not compare a complete product with an incomplete product, really.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 With all Nvidia features, expect a significant performance hit. We've seen it with PhysX, Hairworks, Turf Effects, etc. This is why RTX cards are a total disappointment for many.
Vega IS good. It only "failed" because it wasn't delivering all the fps for the gamerzzzzz
Jordan Broly
No fucktard, the vega 56 failed only because amd refused to sell its cards to its main consumer base and instead went on jumping on miner dick. 400 bucks for the vega 56 was a really good fucking deal back then but alas no one could get a single gpu for a half decent price let alone a vega 56.
Holy performance bump batman! Seriously is there untapped potential in Vega?
no it was all taped out long ago as steve did this same mod a year ago but we couldn't say back then that this is how it compares to a 2070.
Also BuildZoid pushed the Vega Frontier Edition beyond breaking point and killed it with hard voltmoding he also put a different vega on ln2.
@@KillaBitz What GPU has Buildzoid not murdered though?
The answer would be a Titan Xp, and I'll beat him to that, because Nvidia's flagship card is a piece of trash. I've got sub-zero cooling as well for destroying it, I just don't want hardware mods, because I'm sending that piece of garbage back to them dead in a fiery pile of ashes, possibly multiple times depending how many of those landfill items they send me. The drivers are garbage, and after wasting $600+ in my time troubleshooting to find that its driver issue (so hardware won't fix it), I asked for a partial refund, and they said if its been even 31 days, its too long and all they can do is send you another piece of hardware (which doesn't fix the software issue...). So time for some LN2 careless suicide runs! Maybe just pour LN2 down the stock reference cooler and tape the bottom off? Buildzoid did similar on a heatsink wrapped in tape back when he was poor and couldn't buy an LN2 cooler, for mine, it would just be because Nvidia cards suck, and I've already used some RADEON GPUs as doorstops (was using some DDR4 today as a box opener).
I never send hardware back that has been overclocked, but Nvidia didn't have a solution (and at that time, the $1200 card had never been overclocked). It's just been used as a paper weight for probably half the time I've owned it, it crashes way too many games (worse than ANY crossfire setup I've made to date...). Waste of $1200, and a waste of time troubleshooting (it would have been fine if it worked, heck I probably would have bought a second one to "bring balance to the GeForce" since it was the Star Wars collectors edition, but I'm glad I didn't, its a piece of trash). I would only murder an RTX 2080ti if they sponsored me one, I would NEVER use it in a gaming system, they have such garbage drivers, they couldn't GIVE me ANYTHING and have me run it for my daily system, I'm not wasting time troubleshooting again.
Josh there is untapped potential in every GPU, you’ve just gotta hard mod or extreme overclock them which will fuck up your warranty if you ain’t gotta a good cooler
@@jakegarrett8109 sounds like you are full of shit. Explain your issues and what is wrong driver wise causing them...
@@KillaBitz he fucked up on that mod tho. He literally did it wrong as far as he said.
my old PC was a I5 6600k with RX480, now i have a R5 2600 with GTX 1080, my major gripe about my new system is stuttering. i have better FPS in most games, but even so, the stuttering annoys the hell out of me. i would have gone with a vega 64 if i could have gotten it for same price as the 1080 as i like to support the underdog.
Shallowstream: Well, the reason is not the 1080. Ryzen 5 2600 is slower than i5 6600k for gaming. The best CPU for gaming is i7 8700k.
@@agevenisse3252 well i have not been able to pinpoint the problem so far, but as the graphs shows, Nvidia have worse 1% low and more variance in frame time then the AMD card.
also, getting a I7 8700K was not an option as it was around 400$ more expensive to upgrade to.
6600k is not that much better than ryzen 2600x for gaming really, also even if so it doesn't have nothing to do with stuttering.. it's just nvidia drivers thing, they are focusing on the rtx series now...
@@BoyNextGen 1. We discussed Ryzen 5 2600, not 2600X. 2. Stuttering (with Nvidia) is mostly a problem when using an AMD CPU. 3. I'm not a fanboy, just speaking from experience. AMD will probably catch up to Intel in gaming performance (as they have in other multi threaded applications).
@@agevenisse3252 never had stutter with amd cpu + nvidia cpu, but now with i7 6700k and grx 1070 i have it sometimes lol
I do hear that amd cpu + amd gpu can cause stutter and driver cpu overload tho..
I have a Vega 64, and surprisingly it is VERY difficult to keep it cool even on watercooling. I am using 2 dual fan radiators and they both get 🔥 hot HOT Hot to the touch, with water reaching 55C. I am just wondering, how do u even cool the red devil with 3 fans...
Air flow in the case? Or just silicone lottery.
Well, with a beefy enough PSU you can still get your VEGA 2070 for a low price of $265: *www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-vega-56-rx-vega-56-8g/p/N82E16814930006*
gonna buy a V64 and put my morpheus on it
Can't agree that 56 is a better choice than 64, most of graphs shown here - if not all of them - prove that you get better lows on a stock Strix 64 than on a ridiculously overclocked 56 and i'ts the lows what you actually notice as stutter, the lows are what drive your overall experience, not the average.
Does anyone remember the days when you could transform a GeForce 6800 LE to a GT by activating the rest of the pixel pipelines via RivaTuner? 50% better performance (incl. overclock). That was amazing.
Or the 9700 to pro
you could unlock 4 extra pipelines on the 6800GS' 12 default and get a 6800gt too.
and my 8600GT got a 50% boost from overclocking alone. that card was a monster overclocker.
Picked up a Vega 56 new for £175 (sold the bundled games). Considering the cheapest RTX 2070 is £420, it's a stupidly good card
Weird flex, but ok.
PSA doing this plus bios flash killed a red dragon with nano pcb after 9 months
But it was a glorious 9 months
Plus i got the card for 250 off ebay
So tempting to swap out the 580 8GB I'm using - trying to hold out for the next GPU from AMD though. Great work here, this was a lot of fun to watch.
Looks like Vega is the true overclocker’s dream.
had this broken anyone's GPU yet? my vega 56 is starting to struggle with stock clocks.
Well this video only shows the technical prowess of Nvidia in the graphics domain. I hope AMD makes a hard hitting come back with Navi.
You fail to mention if you lowered/adjusted voltages or not. No one has to take this to 242% to get a big performance boost. The 2070 match up is nice to know but not that relevant to a Vega 56 owner/purchaser. Since Vega 64s are ~$500 or less now it is a better candidate for this mod/comparison. For nVidia fans a 1080/Ti which is not restricted by a 114 power limit is a better option than the place holder 20XX cards. Your charts show how well the 10XX cards do when OCed. It is early in the 2070 release but it is notable that 2070 has lower lows in some titles unless ODec. Also in many games nVidia shows that spiky frame-time compared to AMD (I feel it is related to their compression tech) which leads to claims of faster aiming on AMD. I wonder if the monitoring SW needs to be investigated on sampling speed and metric calcs for FPS and temps are reported correctly and for detecting throttling on todays and recent much higher performing HW. The 9XXX 95w limits and the temp/throttling review issues have drawn attention to this.
Honestly, all cards are under clocked some whow on the expectation of a hungry user overclock it without the company be bothered by silicon lottery.
However, as worker on EDA industry. Side of TDP, I'm completely sure that there are space for better performance based in coupling all pieces that composes the product. PCB design, memory, silicon encapsulation, which btw costs more than the silicon itself.
Dude you have no idea the whichcraft those guys do to turn on and off silicon logic an retain consistently when power is back by demand. It is really trick. Small transistor nodes mean more static leaking and dealing with all of that It is a work of art
Notice that I am do not even talking about drivers and games
Why not just buy a $380 1080 on ebay and OC it and beat/match both cards.
gr82banautiger Freesync screens cost way less?
Why pay 380 for a card you can get for 270 and power it to same perf as $380 card?
it seems nvidia will support freesync now-
Hello Gamers Nexus, I watch you every day and by listen to your long explaining videos or even listening to tech news i can really chill out!! Keep up the great work your doing! I want to ask you make the same video with Vega 64 saphire nitro edition or the Red Dragon with maxed out power target and some decent overclock !!! As you said everybody forgets about Amd gfx cards. Personaly i got really surpised by the perfornabce of my rx 580(i just sold it) with optimized power target +50% + HAF case along with my 1440p monitor! I decided I'm going straiight to vega 64 (cuz of freesync and pleased by the affordable rx 580). I cant find new videos or reviews for vega 64 cards generaly tested by reviwers with newer drivers with more optimized games compared to when they launched or when they vanished from the market cuz of the mining hassle!
please do this with vega 64.
it's been two years already... feels like yesterday
yep almost 4 years actually...and with the gpu prices these days im keeping my oc:ed and flashed V56 for 3 more years...it plays wow just fine=)
@@ahah1785 i don't even know why i bought it... i admit it was a dumb choice. Not that it doesn't work, but one year later there were cards that were faster, quieter and cheaper. I'm keeping it undervolted for most of the time... if you floor it, it sounds like the space shuttle launch
So I've got a Vega56 I flashed to V64 and now running 1050MHz HBM but core is "only" 1575MHz. How would this perform compared to this 1710/950MHz V56 card?
you can purchase vega 56 for 302$ and vega 64 for 354$ in philippines
That is probably a used one. Cheapest yet Ive seen is around 399$ for 56.
But the power requirements are gonna be tough given the expensive electricity we have in the Philippines
and still the pricing comes out the same when u want to ship it to wherever youre at
@@NickoPorras627 so buying in a local store is used?
@@surft once you have the money you will never care about power requirements
Save money! Buy a Vega56 card, remove power limits...heat your house without the need of a furnace! Benefit: You can play your favorite games too
Awesome stuff! Never really tried bios modding an vega card since I don’t have one. I’d like to make a similar video for the soon to be released refresh polaris cards on my channel. Looking forward to it!
BIOS modding a Vega is easy as a piece of cake... download a BIOS of a Vega 64 of your manufacturer ( www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/194442/amd-rxvega64-8176-170719-1 ) and use a tool from "techpowerup ( www.techpowerup.com/download/ati-atiflash/) to flash it. You get the memory voltage from the 64 which allows for ~1100Mhz memory overclocks, a huge boost.
Bios modding the Vega 56 is easy AF and if you get a STRIX OC edition or similar card with dual BIOS on it, you don't have to worry about sending it in for warranty. That said, it's a little late to purchase a v56 now. I'd wait until their next gen cards.
Do this to your 64!! We might even hit 2080 :)
Now we 1070 owners want a registry edit!
100 Watts extra including the internal Heat? Dead withing half a year
can the same mod be applied to vega 64 LE? do you get the same improvements?
What's it do to lifespan of the 56?
He answers that @ 2:50
There's no question that the lifespan of the GPU will be significantly shortened due to the effects of electromigration being drastically sped up from the significant increase in power consumption and heat.
only one way to find out
We already know it happens from overclocking CPUs and heavily used CPUs in the server world.
@GGigabiteM heavily used server cpu's???? nothing???? they are all still fine.
most overclocked cpu's are fine to.
overvolted chips die after time (usage + overvoltage)
clocks and usage is irrelevant only volts apply.
If you did this with a 64 would it get into 1080 Ti/2080 territory?
They already beat the ti. Did you look at lows?
In forza 4 .. it does beat the 1080ti except in 4k res.
Who remembers the trick with HD 4850/4890 + other cards to scrape the VDDC resistor pins on GPU board with pencil?
How long would the vega last going this hard?
He answers that @ 2:50
Saxie81 You’re right of course, but technically he only addresses it, because he can’t answer it, because no one knows yet.
Used 64 $15. eBay water block. Then let’s talk value.
Me thinks that AMD knew that Vega had more overclocking headroom all along but gimped their cards because of the crazy power consumption and or unknown longevity at said power consumption?!
16:42
Nobody:
TH-cam algorithm: WAIT THAT'S ILLEGAL, DEMONETIZED!
DO THEM IN CROSSFIRE.
I think it might literally cause crossfire.
Sooo ... Could v64 beat the rtx 2080 then?? 💩
Yay! Getting a 56 then!
Oh no, wait, I live in Europe. €500 minimum from reputable shops for the lower end ones. 2070s are €600-650 and up.
Guess I'll stick with my RX 580
Vega 56 and 64 can both be found for quite cheap these days. Bought one for 347 Euro (with two games) the other day. And even better that Vega 64 is a Nitro+ from Sapphire
Why only 950MHz on the HBM2? I’m sure I’ve seen people push 1100MHz+ and that memory overclocking gave the highest performance uplift.
I hear you cant flash the vega 64LC bios on v56 anymore, the new driver makes the card bug out, normal v64 bios still work I guess, be nice if someone could look into it.
Been running this mod on a vega 56 for years now and it still boosts the same range. I did do the washer mod with good paste and I redo it every year. Good luck!
What's a washer method
Remember, unlimited power comes unlimited responsibility. :-) More seriously, awesome work!!!
Would love to see you do the same with the V64. Could it beat the 1080ti / 2080 at 60% of the price?
To get those clocks... you don't have to increase the power limits... infact... it is easier to do with reduced power input. :)
You're talking total system power, but I can say as a crypto miner that with stock settings, Vega 56 pulls like 250W max. How the heck are you pulling that much? Where do we get the mod?
Love the shirt design. Needs a cape to match.. hehe
"The VRMs can definitely handle it if you don't buy a garbage card." _cries in Asus Strix 56_