Vega 56 Review: Undervolting, BIOS Mods, HBM vs. Core OC
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- We review AMD's RX Vega 56, undervolt it, overclock it, and test thermals, power, noise, and gaming performance vs. GTX 1070.
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Hi all! We only have V56 right now, but buying V64. Andrew was off this weekend, so I had to shoot & edit this one myself. I am not as good at the fancy chart effects as he is, but he'll be back in tomorrow for the other videos! Full article is here: www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3020-amd-rx-vega-56-review-undervoltage-hbm-vs-core
Man, thanks to you and your team for putting out this much content! Deeply appreciate the work and level of detail you put in! It helps us as buyers make well informed decisions.
You guys are amazing and underappreciated. Keep it up.
Gamers Nexus Why can't you overclock Vega 56? In other tests (computerbase.de for example) got 14% performance with 950mhz for the HBM and 1.720 for core.
TPU also couldn't get VEGA to OC: www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_56/35.html
At all infact
Why didn't you get review samples on time? AMD still sore about your Ryzen reviews?
"- Steve, why don't you manipulate the space-time continuum?"
"- We're working on it"
DrathVader That reminds me, I need to set a new Patreon goal.
Acquire time machine...
Gamers Nexus "What do we want?!"
"Time travel!"
"When do we want it?!"
"That's irrelevant!"
GetTheCheeseToSickbay Three logicians walk into a pub. Barman says "do you all want drinks then?" First logician says "I don't know". Second logician says "I don't know". Third logician says "Yes".
Considering the limited time and the amounts of tests you did.
10/10
Nice card specially if you like tweaking. S3 savage coming to mind.
Insane amount of technical details for the little time you had, well done!
Jarrod'sTech Thanks!
This is why I love GN. Everyone else's videos are 10 mins max and then GN's is 25 and covers the topics we actually want to hear about, not just gaming benchmarks. Keep it up, you guys!
Glad someone enjoys all those power and thermal charts!
But, uh, is it OK if sleep happens before the "keep it up" part?
Compromise and keep up the sleep.
Both Steves delivered! @GamersNexus and @HardwareUnboxed
Rodrigo Santos yes love hardware unboxed
The technical fokus on this channel is what keeps me here, don't ever become the generic reviewer pls
*10 mins reviews*
"Here you had the complete review!"
*GN's 25 mins reviews*
"there's plenty more to be done"
Glad I've found this channel
Yosyp There's always more with hardware!
I wonder why the hell did AMD shove so much voltage into these GPUs. The power consumption is insane! Any Vega GPU can be safely undervolted AND overclocked AND still be stable in any application.
Polaris is the same, so i'm not sure.
You might think that, but some partner variants of the 480 benefitted from undervolting much the same way that the reference design did. The power limits were too low to support the clock and voltage much of the time. I know that was definitely an issue with my XFX RS 480 8GB, but when i changed to the strix model I didn't encounter the same issue.
It seems excessive for sure, but I think that's because not all silicon chips are equal. They run higher voltages to make sure all cards are stable across the board, same with Intel and Nvidia, although their overvolts aren't as extreme.
When there are outlets like this, and probably others just as capable of this quality of content, it infuriates me to my core that OEMs continue to send samples to (not naming any names) polished turd 'tech' channels, who have absolutely nothing to offer to the conversation other than flashing a product in front of the eyes of dreamers. This is quality usable and valuable information, just reading off a spec sheet and then blindly playing some random games is criminal when you see how much work goes into this channel.
TFI Thanks, TFI!
Can't emboss logos/images I'm afraid, they're not vector based so the detail in the picture can't be used as profiles. Could possibly do it with third party software image manipulation but it would be a right chore! I'll have a think about it though, cheers!
Yea that was also me! That was my sheet metal laser etching video, the Corsair logo is basically just some simple shapes, so I think I ran it through one of those raster to vector online converters and used the converted lines. That's easy enough but a more complex image with art and colours, not so easy!
What kind of gpu has dual bios, but doesn't allow bios modification ?????
So V56 undervolted with the hbm2 oc+50% power offset is around 210W ? Not that bad tbh
its 210W + about 30W for board power draw through the PCIE slot.
Pretty much my take as well. I'll reserve judgement until there's a decent sample of AIB's.
still 240W isnt THAT BAD ... consider you could probably undervolt even further, silicon lottery... my 280x toxic draws about the same...
Hell of a lot better than my R9 390. It is a power hog.
two years later the vega 56 destroy the GTX 1070 ... good job Nvidia good job.
I wish people would give AMD a try, but instead all I can see in the comment section is a dismissive tone towards the Vega release such as "It didn't even beat the 1070, FAIL" even though this was only in a few games. I don't think Vega is a disaster as the Vega 64 gained around 52% in performance over the R9 Fury X, which is incredible considering - and Nvidia also shared a similar value from their 980 Ti to 1080 Ti upgrade, being 56%. Rather than jumping to conclusions, why can't we just see what it does and work out whether it has value for money? Keep in mind that the GTX 1070 has had a year to mature, so it's not exactly ideal to compare this to a brand new product as of now. In a few months I'd like to see a revisit on Vega benchmarks and see if my argument is correct.
Steve, if AMD doesn't give you enough time to review properly, that's on them, not on you. Please don't work yourself to death trying to get these reviews out "on time."
He's competing against other outlets which got all the samples they needed to produce reviews for both the 56 and 64. Linus even got a copy of the hybrid version.
If you look at the reviews most of those other guys are doing (like Linus, since you mentioned him) you'll see Steve's reviews are on a whole other level, so they're really not competing. Like I said, it's AMD's fault, and Steve shouldn't be trying to kill himself just to make up for AMD's mistakes and meet the embargo date.
Yeah, I don't think companies are that happy to have such detailed reviews coming out so soon. Especially for the 56 card, which still has two weeks to hit the stores. Unless they have a clear and undisputed winner of a card, which AMD currently does not.
But it's on him when he'd pissed them off so much so, that they didn't bother sending him v64.
Patrick Tritip Actually, we made our point and they heard it. They sent V56 after we did. They asked if we'd like V64, but told them to only send V56 as we were against an impossible time window already.
Watched this after LTT video.. i think it's time for me to unsub LTT. Like tech for babies
i did it over a year ago. Welcome in the exlinus susb club.
Linus is just a marketer.
LTT is awful.
To be fair, I got my start in PC gaming and building by watching LTT. It isn't super in-depth but it was enough for me to make connections and want to dig deeper.
Now I know to watch them for what they do well: entertainment
Ditto on that, i unsubbed 4 years ago .. just got to boring and cringy
Secure boot is such a pain in the butt, thanks Microsoft...
It's a shame AMD keeps going with HBM. Vega doesn't seem to be providing performance that needs memory faster than gddr5x. If this released almost a year ago using gddr5x at a cheaper price due to the savings on vram they would have hit it out the park and probably beat nvidia in sales in that segment. You would also get a decent power savings going to gddr5x which seems to be welcome. I'm sure it will get better with time but volta also comes in time.
Michael Hatch They can't use gddr5x because it has higher power consumption than hbm. The last time they tried using ggdr5 with gcn was the r9 390x which had a really high power range.
10:53 "Accurate misreporting", is that like fake news?
No it's just electronic sarcasm.
Thermocouples are really sarcastics.
This is the only review I was waiting for
This and Digital Foundry.
So, long story short, AMD is over-volting their cards.
Sounds like something they could fix with a Driver Update, I'd imagine.
Can we get 720p NOT 60FPS, I already asked for this in the past and was answered that it was still compiling but it never showed up on the video quality options, is it possible you can only offer 1 type of fps/reso or can you offer both 60fps and regular because the bandwidth is not the same!
Is there a pulitzer prize for TH-cam? GN should get one :)
i have hynix hbm2. idk if i should bios flash vega 64 bios on my vega 56. as of right now, i start seeing artifacts under load at around 905mhz hbm2 clocks. with gpu core at 1690mhz and voltage set to 1050mv, i max out at 250-270 watts. someone please help me fine tune. or give me advice
I wonder why I bother watch all these... I can't afford them anyway T_T
its nice to learn them at least 🤗
I don't know why I bother either...I have a 1080 Ti
Because you're interested in tech.
You should ditch wildlands and for honor from your benchmarks. The games are so bad and poorly optimized that no one plays them these days. At least ashes of the benchmark is a widely adopted benchmark tool for it's insane optimization.
Wildlands is pretty popular and is quite taxing on the gpu though
Lin Huichi it had high day one players, look at the steam playerbase and we are talking less than 1000 on average
That does not matter too much. Just look at the ashes of the singularity, that game is used for benchmark only and hardly anyone is playing it. By comparison, both for honor and wildlands have several times more players.
PUBG is a horribly optimized game as well, but people benchmark it anyway. GR:Wildlands is a good benchmark because it is actually a very taxing game that looks amazing. For honor has a dedicated fanbase on consoles, it's a very console-centric game, but yeah, few are playing it on PC.
I play Ashes.
Am I the only one??? :'(
The more my interest and knowledge for computer hardware grows, the more focus I get on this particular channel. You do twice the work and go way more into details than the other channels. Frankly, I don't know how you manage to get so much more info while still keeping up with the other channels that only skim the surface. If you want pure facts with thorough investigation, you follow gamers nexus. I hope this channel grows exponentially. The glory of Steve's hair is just the cherry on top
whos rocking their Vega 56 out in 2021 still using it for mining with an undervolt, lol
That OG oscilloscope though.
Gretsky Nut You're the only person to notice!
I kept staring at that because my Dad was an electrical engineer and brought one home from work to fix an OG TV set. This was a loooong time ago.
Gamers Nexus I noticed the oscilloscope as well because in one of my past jobs I had to use one of them on a daily basis. I truely do not miss having to pack it around...lol
I want to say thank you to Gamers Nexus. Your videos are the best when it comes to the details of products. You don't click bait, no stupid jokes, you keep it professional. Out of all the tech channels I watch you are the best!
Huh 3 vega vids at same time
Seems like it's a good competitor against the 980ti
Why are fury x benchmarks not listed with all this ?
Isnt this the card that it replaces .....
Thanks for keeping the tech review scene about the tech and not the hype.
To be honest, this is the best review I have ever watched on this card. Thanks Steve!
Is anyone here who has bought ASRock Vega 56 Phanton 8GB? I can find this card (same design as the video above) at the price of 210€. But Im not sure if is good choice to get a card from ASRock. Anyone here who has bought the specific mention model? FROM ASRock! Thank you in advance!
people sayh vega is a flop, guys, nvidia has 10 times more budget for R&D amd struggled to launch this and ryzen, its a great job, they perform as expected, just not as you hoped
Those undervolting results are quite impressive considering the gains you got for playing with the card for such a short time. Power consumption is still quite bad out of the box but it seems like performance can go way higher with some moderate OC (anyone hoping for 1700MHz on core?).
This was a great review man, but take a little rest if you have the change: we'll be here to watch your videos and comment on your findings.
Fantastic review and thanks for the information on the bios lock. Hopefully this is something that we don't have to worry about on partner cards. Looking forward to more!
Hey guys. I got this card and 2600x on B450 Pro Carbon. Not an overclock fan. Is 650w psu enough for this ?
Performance is quite good in games and power drawage isn't that big issue for me. But the price is too high compared to Nvidia's offers, atleast for now.
So basically rx Vega is rx480 v2. Power throttling thermal throttling crap that's only good for mining.
So this card has potential undervolted and with a higher power target. Sounds good!
Given the price of gsync I think you can forgive the higher powerdraw.
I sure hope somebody picks up that phone.
*Because I FUCKING CALLED IT!*
by the way, that's clearly team rocket's logo
At 4900RPM, it's blasting off agaaaaaaain *blip*
Steve, why don't you manipulate the space time continuum and make so that there's enough time to do everything in the 27 hours that you've had the card ?
Wow! you made this in 27 hours? i can't even OC my card in a weekend! mate you and your team are awesome!
Thank you for doing this! I know what it's like having to put off sleep to meet crazy deadlines so I figured I'd show my appreciation for the hard work and fantastic content you provide. :)
Steve, you really should grow a beard. Then this would be the best channel on all of youtube.
amd wtf man......
this actually makes me sad..... no aftermarket bios.....so no 'hero'' oc to get vega to beat a 1080 or 1080ti
(havent seen the review yet....just the first 5 min)
it sucks that the card could preform better, but AMD stick limits on it like nvidia does.....
so now whats the point of getting an amd card?
most of the cool shit you could do is now gone....
its basically a geforce card now....with HBM and a slower core....nice memes
kain hall lololol beat a 1080 Ti??? Hahaha keep dreaming papi.
Were doing a livestream today on Vega 64 covering mining performance. Bottom line, looking like this one will be no good on the mining scene.
Lol. Custom GTX 1080 is 70,- to almost 100,- EUR less than Vega 64.
So AMD shot themselves in the foot by locking the GPU for enthusiast overclockers...using Microsoft's secure boot nontheless. Am I understanding this correctly? If so, uhhhh.....WHY????
I do think LOCKING overclocking beyond a certain point is a good thing. There was a problem with RELIABILITY as companies kept pushing things to the limit to get that last percentage point for overclock.
Then you get damaged cards, RMA issues, and a tarnished reputation for AMD (and NVidia). Sure, when it is your own card and you in theory COULD get more performance that sucks a bit but I would rather feel comfortable knowing my top-end card was likely to last 4+ years rather than sometimes just a few months.
*Besides, for the true enthusiast there have been unlocked cards such as K1ngpin offers. Not sure if AMD or NVidia authorized that but they exist at least.
Finally, overclocking that last bit can often make a game STUTTURE more due to the frequency fluctuating so getting the highest CLOCK and the best EXPERIENCE do not always match up.
Holy crap man. If AMD had given me 27hours to review Vega, I would have shot myself.... Probably not, but I would have thought about it.
Great work.
Sleep well my sweet prince.
Any chance you can do a Vega 56 and the different AA settings review? Most reviewers only do max settings (which include MSAA x 8). But saw one reviewer do Dirt 4 with Vega 56 using CMAA, beating 1080 easy and actually beating a 1080 ti with minimums. So what is going on? Does the Vega 56 cope better when different AA is used? Plus with higher resolutions, who does MSAA x 8 anyways? Is that not overkill? So where does performance stand when you play with the AA settings. And can you subjectively see any difference anyways between methods on the higher resolutions?
So we know that vega 56 pulls similar power to a 1080ti/titan xp overclocked. That's a tough one AMD. So a 64 likely is somewhere just under Vega FE. I do expect vega 64 to sit between the 1080 and 1080ti comfortably once more optimizations and overclocking tricks come into play.
Can you help me? I connected this card to my sony x940e through hdmi but the hdr is not working. I previously had the msi gtx 1660 ti and using the same hdmi, I was able to play youtube video in HDR format, but after switching to red dragon vega 56, I was only able to get 4k. Windows 10 still offer the "turn on HDR" button, but when switched on, it just made my tv look bright and a little washed out, instead of typical vibrant color. (my pc: ryzen 3700, crucial 32gb 3200, samsung 970pro nvme, asus x570 tuf gaming mobo)
hahhaha AMD fanboys calling me dumbfuck when buying the 1080 TI. "UHH WAIT FOR VEGA, IT WILL CRUSH NVIDIA, #POORVOLTA"
So Vega 56 performs very much like the 1070, but consumes more power? I was really pulling for Vega, but it sounds like I will wait it out for the GTX2070
The benchmark showed it performing on par with NOT a 1070 but a 980ti. Founder's edition cooler seems to be crap then? after market cards might do a better job? I did not know there was an official 300 watt power limit for gpu production. so even if vega needs a lot of power (like amd posted on their spec sheets) to actually scale better, they are prohibited by official consumer grade regulations. wow thats like a big "F*CK YOU! fix ur own mess" to amd by PSU makers. Guess I will have to wait for the vega 64 benchmarks. Hopefully amd won't do some dumb shit like compare it with a gpu that is lower then a 1080 ti (last gen 1 year old card vs a new architecture and current gen card). thats like a high school bully bragging about how he beats up elementary school kids.
Hey, your channel is awesome!! I watch it all the time. You guys do very great in-depth work on this stuff but I'm curious...When's the last time you tested the 1080??? Those numbers look a little old, I could be wrong because I don't have the reference card on your list, but a couple months back when you guys were heavy into the 1080ti, Nvidia released a shitload of 1080 updates and I personally was seeing about 15-25fps increases in several games...I recall an overnight huge increase in 4k Doom Vulkan performance a little while back. Anyway, just saying it may be worth it to go back and look at those numbers, my guess is they haven't been updated since the launch of the card. Again, of course, I could always be wrong. Keep up the cool shit guys.
I have a question... I do graphic stuff and 3D modelling and I mainly use my video card to render in OpenCL more than gaming. I was wandering if it was possible to do "compute" /
"rendering" benchmark like a Blender 3D scene, adobe premiere and other
similar software, something like OpenCL vs Cuda Thank you in advance :)
@Gamers Nexus can you benchmark those cards with ryzen and see the performance differnece between intel amd and nvidia to to their price counterpart for example R7 1700 with vega 56 vs 7700k with vega 56 like wise 7700k with GTX 1070 and R7 1700 with gtx 1070? would give a better focus of that price segment and better comparison as more ppl are going for ryzen builds
RX Vega 64 is already out of stock pretty much everywhere. This is as of 2:20pm August 14th. I just want the 56 but if this is any indication as to how that going to go well I might as well wait for Navi lol. Meanwhile I will stay here with my amazing XFX R7 260x Double Dissipation model XD.
Both reviewers I take seriously did vega 56. One shows it beating the galax factory oc'd 1070 on almost all games, and the other shows the ref 1070 crapping on the vega 56 in the same games. Hmm. Wonder if it's a res thing. Seems like Paul's HW was showing vega as beating a third party 1070 at 440p, but not so much at 1080 or 4k. Maybe that has something to do with it.
great vid as always steve!!
Will you be doing hybrid mod for this one? Lack of bios modifications is real dealbreaker. Hopefully somehow board partners will *FIX* it. Considering the time you got for reviewing the card, 10/10 for content. All the information that gamers are intrested in is present. Thank you for such indepth review. Heading towards article now.
And after watching 10 or so reviews in benchmarking, it is unanimous. Everyone got different versions of 56 and 64 chips on similar boards. The disparity in the reviews, from here, too hardware inboxed, too lvl1techs, too red gaming, too... pick a reviewer. All over the map. 2 have the 56 beating the 1080ti in Dirt 2, another as the top 4k card for Doom; this is just impossible.
On a serious note, I wonder if everyone has the same bios as the results really are so different on the same things/games.
You should change the channel name from Gamer's Nexus to Science Nexus. This is R&D level stuff! DAMN!!
Are you human?!!
Thanks a lot for the hard work, you put into this.
Even if you didn´t have much time, this video actually provides more interesting information than a lot reviews from other sources.
The Undervoltage hints at some serious OC Potential for this card.. sad to see, that the 300W Hardlimit prevents it.
Let´s hope that the custom design will have better BIOS(ses?).
I have a question. Is the blower cooler able to keep the VRM temps under control when under full load?
I have an RX 470 Strix, it only increases power limit up to 25%. Even at the it can keep the VRM under control because clock speeds tank periodically when playing a game that puts a full load on it with fan speed all the way up. So I have to drop the powerlimit to +15%.
Honestly, it's embarrassing that the Vega 56 is sometimes often slower than the 980TI (Therefore slower than Fury X!!!)
Hi Steve. I thought you might find this benchmark interesting. Using the open source linux drivers, Vega 64 was able to smash the 1080ti, and vega 56 was able to just about match it in Bioshock. Note the review says that a great deal of optimization was put into this game by the devs.
This gives me a bit of hope that more performance can be unlocked in these cards with the right driver optimizations.
www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=rx-vega-linux1&num=4
Hello, I have an important question for you: what programs or tool did you use to change the bios and undervolt or oc through the bios? It is very important to me that I want to change the bios of my Vega 64, Please, if you have time, write me a message, I am waiting for your response. Thank you
I wonder how the HBCC will be utilized in future games. The only use case I could imagine would be that you could load an entire games textures into memory instead of swapping. Which would be pretty cool. Just don't think there are games that can use the other tech that's in Vega besides just the Stream Processors.
To bypass power limit on a Nvidia card you just solder over one or all the shunt resistors. I did it on a msi gaming g4 970 and a zotac 1080-1070 works fine.
+Gamers Nexus
Will you guys be doing any more MC note block adaptations of Star Craft music?
Definitely my favorite video of yours.
sooo latest juicy AMD card is as good as 1.5 yeard old pascal... and OCed 1070 is still less power hungry than stock vega 56. I really want radeon to kick that green a$$ but that's not their time yet.
Great review shampoo advertiser!
Epic Listening Loreal shill.
The bios locking is more against the miners. They will use custom bios for the max overclocking/performance they can while they have a given card to get the best possible hash rates. If you look on ebay, you can get custom mining bios's for a given card all day long for 20$ per given model. I hope they will unlock the bios at some point so us enthusiasts dont also get hosed in the process.
I wonder if some aftermarket cards will undervolt, it seems like Vega can easily do it and it's a easy way to save power without it really affecting anything, also, I saw on a TH-cam clip the other day where someone with Vega 64 changed the power mode from turbo to balanced mode and it drastically reduced the power consumption a lot whiles only reducing the frame rate by about 2fps when the frame rate was at around 130 odd frames, it seems power consumption can be reduced a lot with minimal impact to frame rates which would make Vega 56 much more viable to me as long as the price is reasonable.
Them secure booting the Videocard Bios is a super crap move. I can understand why they want to add it to the videocard. But it seriously isn't needed in the pubic use case. Maybe in a enterprise workspace sure. Or did they just do it to sandbag the 56 into it's 1070 roll?
I wish more reviewers would look into undervolting. Seems like a great way to save power, reduce heat, reduce fan noise, and if you don't go too low you'll get better stability. I feel like AMD is really hurting their reputation with the safe stock voltages they supply.
Yeah I just don't see the appeal. In Sweden the liquid cooled Vega 64 is $60 less than a 1080Ti and the reference cooler version can go the hell with that noise if you don't want the throttle. Massive fail right there.
Most informative tech channel on youtube. You guys have been on point from day one.
Why don't you have 10 times the subscribers?!
I really don't get how the 1070 bras vega 56 like doesn't the fury x compete with the 1070 or beat it well something like that and now there's vega 56 with a little less compute units but way higher clocks but it can't even do better what's going on is amd only good for mining or what lol
So sad seeing AMD fans clutching at the straws. I'm sure Vega will get better when DirectX 99 comes out because it has Async wijimajig
love you, love your hair, love buildzoid, kinda love his hair, and love your channel.....that being said, i wish you could cut back on some of the technical stuff and include more game benchmarks in the video. i know you have more at the site.
Clearly Steve is not going to grow up into a real world Rick Sanchez
why is everyone freaking out over slightly higher power use (20%)? you guys are overclockers right? efficiency always goes out the window when you overclock
guys help me out,
rx 580 8 gigs = 210$
vega 56= 340$
prices are high here, which one should i go for??
I'm an idiot I'm the only one that actually pay the full price of Synergy... Oh well, at least I hope it help them to keep the project running.. :-)
Steve, if youre looking to get at least 30 hours out of each day try overvolting the card to 1.21 gigawatts and locking the frame cap to 88 fps
So it looks like around tit for tat only v56 a little buggy and twice the wattage. ahhhh ouch pricing will have to be gd for the juice usage. in all honesty i want to buy it but 300w for the same perf, i can't do it.
So... If undervolting has basically no downsides - why the fuck are the stock voltages so high??
Embargo's are so idiotic. Some people don't obey them and throw the information out there, meanwhile the people who honor it just get left giving out information that you could already have found elsewhere.
Steve, at 3:20 you mention a power table hack for Vega FE. Where can I learn more about that? Tried googling with no luck.
maybe look for it in mining articles im sure you could use it for gaming too if u know what your doing i have it just havent tried it yet
hey jw can Gamers Nexus do a rx vega or frontier edition crossfire with a 1080 or 1080ti i think i would be interesting to see what these two cards can do together. if i had a either a vega or frontier editon i would do it myself but i don't so yea please guys just try it.
A video about AMD's video cards, which begs for an nVidia card because those locks are so hardcore it requires HairWorks for best effect.
So it looks like undervolting is the solution for pushing more performance. I'd like to see the wattage be closer to 150w