Small correction, and you did say that Garrosh only won because of the poison, but uh, Cairne was actually giving Garrosh a whooping, easily. So, for all his prowess, he was still not technically a match for Cairne.
Yea I read the book, and people keep forgetting Cairne was giving Garrosh the buisness. it drives me nuts when people talk about this like Cairne was getting bodied 🙄
Yep. If I remember correctly, the only reason (even with the poison) that Garrosh won, was because Cairne's spear broke. Because EVEN with a poisoned weapon, was he not even touching Carine, not even a scratch. But with one swing, (after Garrosh was essentially beaten black and blue) he managed to shatter the handle of Cairne's ancestral spear, which allowed his axe to slice downward and gently scratch Cairne. We are talking like a cat scratch. That was it. If the spear had held, Cairne would have won, without even taking a single nick.
One could say, that Garrosh wasn't still used to fight with Gorehowl, since he used to fight with two small axes. And he only recieved his fathers axe, when he returned from Northrend and got it as a reward from Thrall
As i remember Cairne had garrosh in a state where all he could do was block counter or take indecisive blows. But the strike where garrosh poisened him sure it was a glancing blow and cairne would have been fine sans poison, but that one strike also SHATTERED cairnes spear. So idk garrosh was never really in too bad of a spot, and if the fight continues it was an unarmed or possibly armed with a broken spear Cairne vs. Garrosh with Gorehowl who was the one that just broke said spear.
Cairne should have gotten a spot on this list, I'd say he would've been as strong as or maybe even stronger than Varian. Remember that during his mak'gora, he was kicking Garrosh's behind until he suffered a seemingly small cut that let the poison weaken him greatly. As for Varian, I don't know if he should've been mentioned since he actually was blessed by the Ancient Goldrinn, who granted him increased strenght, speed, reflexes and even sense of smell. So magic does have something to do with his abilities.
As much as I agree with you and it is my head cannon, we have yet to get full confirmation that he was actually empowered at all in terms of lore. It is highly and I mean Dever on 4/20 high, implied at this point, but not 100% stated.
Huln Motherfucking Highmountain! The CHAD Cow who stood in front of a demon portal and spun his spear around to turn demons into confetti the second they arrived. Okay that might not be canon but that's how I played him in the quest.
Baine in one of the books i believe considered himself stronger than Garrosh as well but saw little point in challenging him because poison would just be used again like his father.
you are right "Galakrond's mutations were caused by Yogg-Saron corrupting the waters which Galakrond drank from" he didnt count drinking the blood from a pit lord but he did count gaining power through corrupted water from an old god
not arguing that Galakrond gained his strength through magical means, but hasn't it been hinted at during DFL that Tyr's experimentation is what caused Galakrond's mutation? If so, I would posit that the books in Uldaman are just Tyr's clever cover story to shift the blame away from himself.
I'm an Alliance player and still have the utmost respect for Broxigar the Red, I tell people about him all the time, one of the 3 best characters in the history of WoW
Cairne should be on the list since he was beating Garrosh before he was poisoned. Magni and Galakrond were both enhanced by Azeroth and Tyr experimentation/decay/void magic (still not 100% clear) respectively so they really shouldn’t count.
Get this list is subjective but how Broxigar didn't get the #1 spot is baffling to me. He wounded a *TiTAN* while standing on a mountain of demon corpses!
@@bobdole7451 Oh I get that, but Brox (besides getting rolled by goblins randomly in the book) was said to be a warrior with incredible strength. Not to mention, most of the warrior characters in this game also have legendary weapons of some kind.
As someone who solely plays Horde, Varian's death was fucking tragic. No shot Lo'Gosh would be stabbed by a random npc which would lead to his death Yeah nah, Galakrond is not it. Broxigar is number 1 for sure
24:30 the reason the scourge weren't able to revive Galakrond wasn't because his bones were "too big" it was because the player character stops it from happening via a quest to take out the scourge at the location before they even finish excavating the skeleton. When you turn in the final part of the quest, the dragon aspects even say you saved everyone from "certain" death, meaning it was a certainty that the scourge would have successfully revived Galakrond had you not intervened. I miss when this channel did more research before a video.
I think that... What he mean by "too large to handle" wasn't referring to the Lich King inability to ress it, but rather to the fact that undead army didn't dig it out in time.
I thought for sure it was going to be Broxigar as number 1. He was a complete badass with his wooden axe. This list should have separated humanoids from creatures.
Great idea for a video! I enjoyed it :) My vote is for Cairne bloodhoof. Becomes more scary when you remember that Tauren are like 10 feet tall in lore.
Its such a shame that some of the most badass and developed orc characters come from books and are never talked about in WoW. I think it was a complete mistake not to give fury warriors Broxigar's axe as their artifact weapon. Can you make a top 10 list that includes Eitrigg somehow? Maybe a top 10 "characters Blizzard has completely forgotten" list?
@@DevelonLP The full quote is "Yeah, thought about doing that one for a long while. In the end, a wooden nature themed axe didn't feel right, despite lore.” So just because its wood, they thought warriors wouldn't want it. It would have been literally perfect for legion, an ancient blessed weapon that cut Sargeras
broxxigar the red axe was a gift from the world tree bark and enchanted by cenarius, it would never be mention neither put on the game because it would be super stupid... as broxx went inside the demonic portal going to * no where8 and no one knows where in twisting nether... how the fuck you want hes weapon? go into the twisting nether and search for it.... some people eat shit with a fork
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the humans shown at 0:55 as an example of a lifeform that never were "mechanized" is inaccurate. Humans are descended from iron vrykuls who were affected by the curse of flesh, ergo were originally titanforged. The better example to use for Alliance should've been Night Elf or Draenei.
I am still mad that, despite it being one of the few weapons that managed to strike Sargeras, Broxigar's axe wasn't a warrior artifact weapon or an appearance.
Cairne Bloodhoof should have honestly taken Garrosh's spot on the list. He was completely dominating him until a glancing blow broke his spear, he got a TINY scratch, and then the poison weakened him enough for Garrosh to take the win. Also, why isn't BROXIGAR THE CHAD number 1? He literally wounded a TITAN while standing upon a mountain of demons he had slain. I can't think of any feat that would rival that from a non magic user. Unless we include the player character ofc. Also, I think even Varok Saurfang would beat out Garrosh, but that ones just my opinion.
What about Zul'jin? I mean, this man litteratly beat every troll leader in their own game. Did the troll leader want a race, thinking it is an easy win? nope. Zul jin beat them. a 1v1 combat? Easy. Zul'jin united all the troll tribes just to wage war against the elves. Now i am not sure if zul'jin has magic. but i consider him very strong
If Garrosh made this list, someone that was clearly more powerful than Garrosh and was defeating him until poison kicked in, should definitely also be mentioned at a higher spot.
Why no Cairne?? He was literally the strongest mortal alive on Azeroth while he was alive. Even Thrall acknowledged his strength. Even Garrosh did, he never accept the victory after he found out that he just got used as a tool to kill Cairne. Sad enough that he just died to a poison.....
Thrall did NOT cheat and that’s been confirmed. The rules of a mak’ gora are set by the two participants and if no rules are specified you can throw the entire kitchen sink if you want. No to mention Thrall and Garrosh had already had another mak’gora before where Thrall also used the elements and Garrosh never said anything about it
Essentially Mak'gora allows anything not specifically agreed on not to use before the battle. So Thrall did not cheat. Neither agreed that magic was not to be used. I would also say Garrosh did not cheat against Cairne Bloodhoof (Magratha Grimtotem did, without Garrosh's knowledge or approval. He made it very clear to her that he didn't approve once he found out, refusing to aid her in her siege of Thunder Bluff, allowing Baine and his forces to take back the city. I hate Garrosh but I will give him credit for this much.) And Sylvanas did not cheat against Varok Saurfang (though it hardly mattered, since her victory didn't benefit her, since it cost her the support of the Horde and even most of the Forsaken. I doubt she cared; I'm pretty sure since Baine openly defied her she knew her leadership of the Horde was inevitably going to end anyway. But she no longer needed the Horde for her purposes anymore.)
When Brox's axe was taken by the Moon Guards that captured him, Malfurion, under the forest demigod Cenarius' direction, created a mystical axe of wood enchanted with a piece of Kalimdor's magic, making it light as a feather and stronger than any mortal-forged axe. In Brox's hands, it was to be the death of literally thousands of demons and allowed him to achieve the unthinkable against their lord.
Garrosh also dueled Thrall during the time of WOTLK pré patch. I'm not sure if Blizzard planned well the ore for this fight, but they were both using armor and Thrall was using shaman spells. Still, Garrosh was holding his ground. The duel happened in Orgrimmar's arena and was interrupted by a Scourge invasion Thrall could basically 1 shot Garrosh in WOD because he trained a freaking lot to be basically one of the strongest shamans in Azeroth. If the fight was just pure physical strenght Thrall would've lost. I know Makgora (I don't know how to spell and I'm feeling lazy to search) can accept enchanted weapons and the use of spells, but as it appeared this duel between them was limited to muscle strength only. So Thrall needed to "cheat" to defeat Garrosh and that shouldn't be a surprise. A warrior/barbarian would naturally be stronger than a shaman
On Magni, I specifically remember a part from a short story from Cataclysm where Thrall is basically connected to the elements and he hears a dwarven voice singing in the mountains of Dun Morogh or something, which is of course implied to be Magni, who was also one with the land at that point. Some peak dwarf stuff
I think we need to throw an * next to the top 2. You disqualified other orcs for being green orca and Broxigar also had a magic axe that was infinitely sharp. As for Galakrond his breath was magical in nature and id argue so was the necro dragons
techincally the cheat is thrawl used more than 1 weapon, for a Mak'gora you have to agree on what weapons and armour to use so it is fair and only based on skill. you can also say there was no cheat as they didnt agree before hand on what to use, but to thrawl it still felt like he cheated
Then why did he have necrotic magic and also void inside of him? Both mof these are very much against the Titans. And even in the original book, we know the Titan watchers did SOMETHING but both then and now we do NOT know what exactly caused him to go through his change.
I mean not all that close Illidan is a master in hand to hand but if we were to rank every warrior in the verse he’d maybe be in the top 30. Brox I’d arguably is easily in the top 5. Illidan is much stronger as a spell caster and would fall somewhere in the top 10 in the verse. It’s the fact he mastered both hand to hand combat annnd magic that makes him so deadly and one of the strongest characters in the verse.
Talking about non magic stiff, Blizzard planned to give Warriors Broxigar Axe as one of artifacts in Legion but scrapped idea because wooden axe appeared to be too druidic-magical themed
Glakarond was corrupted by Yogg'soran as it was said in the books found in Uldaman in DF. The corruption made him so big and powerful with decay and void magic
Yeah... That's a retcon, the first version implied Orgrimm kil*** him by backstabing, not for a duel, anyways Blackhand was so strong that he was the guy who take Doomhammer directly from lava to give it to Orgrimm, we could agree he beats Blackhand on the new lore but in terms of strenght he still seems to be a bit ahead, being superior is not always necessary.
Magni's diamondification totally counts as magic dude 😂. You can't dismiss fel blood ritual but allow the earth ritual. Orcs can die from drinking the blood, so does that make their body stronger than the 'magic' that changed them, thus counting them? Get Magni outta here! 😂
I think Vol'Jin deserves a spot or an honorable mention. If i remember correctly he is pretty chad in the actual lore (if no magic). Also what about that gnome SI7 assassin that was just taking names during the Ironforge raid. Brink Spannercrank (not sure if this was the name). Surely he beats Garrosh xD.
Fun fact that every knows but I’m still salty about: Broxigar’s axe, the Axe of Cenarius, was originally supposed to be the artifact weapon for Arms Warriors in Legion.
Worth mentioning about Varian being above Garrosh is that the two did face each other in one on one combat in Ashenvale. No tricks, no others getting involved, straight up combat - Varian bested Garrosh through sheer skill alone.
No. Varian had an unfair advantage because the wolf ancient Goldrinn blessed him with divine strength and stamina while Garrosh was a NORMAL orc warrior.
to be fair it's fucky comparing strengths because if you have a human versus orc its fucked for the human due to the orcs size and strength, not sure how blessed varian is but the list is screwed either way
@@midknight9232 EXACTLY. people does not include his boon. in this case, we should match lo'gosh with yshaarj heart garrosh and demon blood grom. both own lo'gosh as a breakfast.
I hardly disagree with #1 Galakrond. Yes, he was huge and devastating, BUT he was infused with Old Gods (Yogg Saron) which made him big, huge, necrotic magic infused dragon. Even if he was just a huge physical dragon, proto-dragons are evolved elements. Basicly they're pure elements evolved into physical form, still infused with one of most amounts of magic. Broxxigar is #1
nope. op says without any enhancements. base varian is weak. if you add lo'gosh, you have to add yshaarj garrosh and demon blood grom. all of us know that each of those 2 eat varian alive.
Both humans and orcs are totally titan forged. The only OG flesh races in Azeroth are trolls/elves, draenei and tauren some of the "monster" races and aqir. Orcs descend from the massive earth elemental Aggramar made, humans from the steel forged that became vrykul.
As much as I like Garrosh, saying that he beat Cairne is just plain wrong. Garrosh got in only one small cut that poisoned Cairne which led to him become unable to fight back and thus Garrosh slew him with the next attack. However, prior to said cut, Cairne was whooping Garrosh's ass with ease. It was completely one sided. Knowing how powerful Garrosh was and how he had clashes with Varian numerous times, just shows how powerful Cairne was despite his advanced age.
I agree with everybody saying that Brox should be #1 and that Cairne deserved a spot, but... why is nobody talking about Grom or Orgrim? I mean, between Grom and Garrosh, Grom definetely was stronger. Sure he drank Mannoroth's blood, but when he faces Mannoroth in the original time line, the demon's blood has no effect on orcs anymore (they were abbandoned by this power when captured and enslaved by humans, then Thrall restored their spirit thanks to shamanism and the proof to that is that, even after Mannoroth is killed, orcs remain green skinned, even if they are 100% free from the curse) and he basically one shotted him, the most powerful pit lord and one of the most powerful demons known. Just think about the fact that the Doomhammer did NOTHING against him and he KOed Thrall so easily. Then in alternative time line he still manages to oneshot him again without drinking his blood. Then about Orgrim he just killed both Blackhand (so why isn't him automatically above him?) and Anduin, two of the most powerful warriors in wow lore
Going to have to join others, Cairne should have been on this list above Garrosh. Even not being in his prime he demonstrated prowess over Garrosh. Either that or you missed Cairne to bait comments for engagement. If so, well played sir.
Thrall did not cheat. The first mak’gora they had, Thrall threw lightning bolts without anyone protesting. There was also no blessing, no official witnesses, and both still had armor. Granted, a mak’gora’s rules are decided by the two combatants, but with how the narrative was carried out? It seems as if the two just decided to fight and end it there.
I personally wouldn't put Varyan not Garrosh over black hand, seeing how was under blackhan's leadership that the horde destroyed and sacked stormwind, forcing Varyan himself to flee and reaching a far greater power then Garrosh ever did. Edit: And blackhand did all this being a mag'har himself
Yeah I wouldn't call Galakrond a non-magic character. Beyond the general magic that Dragons seem to all have he was empowered by Yogg-Saron and infused with both Void and Death Magics which led to him mutating in the first place.
WHERE IS DUROTAN? How magic of Axe of Cenarius is not magic gain? He is not mechanically forged, but literally druidically created from wood by Malfurion and enchanted by Cenarius. Cenarius even said that the enchantment on the ax makes him light as a feather and strong as a diamond. Remember the battle between Brox and Varo'then, if not for the light ax, Varo'then most likely would have killed the orc. If the ax had not been enhanced by magic, Brox simply would not have lived to see Sargeras. You added Garrosh-mag'har to the list before Ysha-heart, but did not add Grommash before drinking blood, who was a legendary warrior on Draenor before the creation of the First Horde.
23:00 WTH is Galakrond on this list?! You even acknowledge 'until a change took place in him that is currently unknown' yet we DO know that it was magic of some kind that gave him his appetite, size, and power far beyond other dragons. There is no reason he should have even been considered for this list, let alone take the top spot.
Funnily enough, the French voice-actor of King Mechagon ALSO voiced Dr Nefarious in Ratchet and Clank series. So you are not that far from the truth. not the right dimension but... ;-)
Now I'm not saying Galakrond came across a reality jumping Marvel zombie and became infected...butttt Damn the marvel fatigue still gets to me even when referencing a decent comic run.
Small correction, and you did say that Garrosh only won because of the poison, but uh, Cairne was actually giving Garrosh a whooping, easily. So, for all his prowess, he was still not technically a match for Cairne.
Though I love Garrosh, I agree.
Yea I read the book, and people keep forgetting Cairne was giving Garrosh the buisness. it drives me nuts when people talk about this like Cairne was getting bodied 🙄
Yep.
If I remember correctly, the only reason (even with the poison) that Garrosh won, was because Cairne's spear broke.
Because EVEN with a poisoned weapon, was he not even touching Carine, not even a scratch.
But with one swing, (after Garrosh was essentially beaten black and blue) he managed to shatter the handle of Cairne's ancestral spear, which allowed his axe to slice downward and gently scratch Cairne.
We are talking like a cat scratch.
That was it.
If the spear had held, Cairne would have won, without even taking a single nick.
One could say, that Garrosh wasn't still used to fight with Gorehowl, since he used to fight with two small axes. And he only recieved his fathers axe, when he returned from Northrend and got it as a reward from Thrall
As i remember Cairne had garrosh in a state where all he could do was block counter or take indecisive blows. But the strike where garrosh poisened him sure it was a glancing blow and cairne would have been fine sans poison, but that one strike also SHATTERED cairnes spear. So idk garrosh was never really in too bad of a spot, and if the fight continues it was an unarmed or possibly armed with a broken spear Cairne vs. Garrosh with Gorehowl who was the one that just broke said spear.
Cairne should have gotten a spot on this list, I'd say he would've been as strong as or maybe even stronger than Varian. Remember that during his mak'gora, he was kicking Garrosh's behind until he suffered a seemingly small cut that let the poison weaken him greatly.
As for Varian, I don't know if he should've been mentioned since he actually was blessed by the Ancient Goldrinn, who granted him increased strenght, speed, reflexes and even sense of smell. So magic does have something to do with his abilities.
Pretty sure Galakrond was empowered by both decay and void magic
He was otherwise the drakes he ate wouldn’t reanimate as undead.
Was stopping by to say the same. So, he wouldn’t fit on this list.
Broxigar for the win!
As much as I agree with you and it is my head cannon, we have yet to get full confirmation that he was actually empowered at all in terms of lore. It is highly and I mean Dever on 4/20 high, implied at this point, but not 100% stated.
Yea he was a void corrupt drake or atleast mutated by the void
@@saturnsix2482 did Brozigar use a magic axe as well?
Huln Motherfucking Highmountain! The CHAD Cow who stood in front of a demon portal and spun his spear around to turn demons into confetti the second they arrived.
Okay that might not be canon but that's how I played him in the quest.
Feels like saurfang should be here as an honorable mention
Cairne was winning the duel until the poison kicked in btw, if you read the shattering it was kinda clear about that
Baine in one of the books i believe considered himself stronger than Garrosh as well but saw little point in challenging him because poison would just be used again like his father.
as for galakrond, i thought it was waters corrupted by yoggsaron that caused him to mutate. this was revealed by books in dragonflight uldamon.
you are right "Galakrond's mutations were caused by Yogg-Saron corrupting the waters which Galakrond drank from" he didnt count drinking the blood from a pit lord but he did count gaining power through corrupted water from an old god
@@DevelonLP the way he phrased it sounded like he just straight up thought this was natural... which it wasn't.
not arguing that Galakrond gained his strength through magical means, but hasn't it been hinted at during DFL that Tyr's experimentation is what caused Galakrond's mutation? If so, I would posit that the books in Uldaman are just Tyr's clever cover story to shift the blame away from himself.
Brox #1 in my heart.
If we take away special or higher beings (cough dragons). Yes
@@kevind3974 yea, I don't get why Galakrond is on the list. He's not natural and his powers revolve around necromancy
I'm an Alliance player and still have the utmost respect for Broxigar the Red, I tell people about him all the time, one of the 3 best characters in the history of WoW
Thoradin didnt have the nickname "Trollbane" it was his companion Ignaeus that got the title.
Canonically there are two things bigger than a titan.
Broxigar's balls.
Cairne should be on the list since he was beating Garrosh before he was poisoned. Magni and Galakrond were both enhanced by Azeroth and Tyr experimentation/decay/void magic (still not 100% clear) respectively so they really shouldn’t count.
Get this list is subjective but how Broxigar didn't get the #1 spot is baffling to me. He wounded a *TiTAN* while standing on a mountain of demon corpses!
Well, the only reason he wounded sargeras was because he had an enchanted axe.
@@bobdole7451 Oh I get that, but Brox (besides getting rolled by goblins randomly in the book) was said to be a warrior with incredible strength. Not to mention, most of the warrior characters in this game also have legendary weapons of some kind.
As someone who solely plays Horde, Varian's death was fucking tragic. No shot Lo'Gosh would be stabbed by a random npc which would lead to his death
Yeah nah, Galakrond is not it. Broxigar is number 1 for sure
24:30 the reason the scourge weren't able to revive Galakrond wasn't because his bones were "too big" it was because the player character stops it from happening via a quest to take out the scourge at the location before they even finish excavating the skeleton. When you turn in the final part of the quest, the dragon aspects even say you saved everyone from "certain" death, meaning it was a certainty that the scourge would have successfully revived Galakrond had you not intervened. I miss when this channel did more research before a video.
I think that... What he mean by "too large to handle" wasn't referring to the Lich King inability to ress it, but rather to the fact that undead army didn't dig it out in time.
I thought for sure it was going to be Broxigar as number 1. He was a complete badass with his wooden axe.
This list should have separated humanoids from creatures.
aka he needs to appease you
Great idea for a video! I enjoyed it :)
My vote is for Cairne bloodhoof. Becomes more scary when you remember that Tauren are like 10 feet tall in lore.
Its such a shame that some of the most badass and developed orc characters come from books and are never talked about in WoW. I think it was a complete mistake not to give fury warriors Broxigar's axe as their artifact weapon. Can you make a top 10 list that includes Eitrigg somehow? Maybe a top 10 "characters Blizzard has completely forgotten" list?
The pathetic excuse they gave for not giving Broxigar's Axe still annoys me to this day.
what was their excuse?@@FlailofFury
@@DevelonLP The full quote is "Yeah, thought about doing that one for a long while. In the end, a wooden nature themed axe didn't feel right, despite lore.” So just because its wood, they thought warriors wouldn't want it. It would have been literally perfect for legion, an ancient blessed weapon that cut Sargeras
Rockbiter is more of an Arms weap, also Rockbiter is in the hands of a Broxigar's relative.
broxxigar the red axe was a gift from the world tree bark and enchanted by cenarius, it would never be mention neither put on the game because it would be super stupid... as broxx went inside the demonic portal going to * no where8 and no one knows where in twisting nether... how the fuck you want hes weapon? go into the twisting nether and search for it.... some people eat shit with a fork
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the humans shown at 0:55 as an example of a lifeform that never were "mechanized" is inaccurate. Humans are descended from iron vrykuls who were affected by the curse of flesh, ergo were originally titanforged. The better example to use for Alliance should've been Night Elf or Draenei.
I am still mad that, despite it being one of the few weapons that managed to strike Sargeras, Broxigar's axe wasn't a warrior artifact weapon or an appearance.
Cairne Bloodhoof should have honestly taken Garrosh's spot on the list. He was completely dominating him until a glancing blow broke his spear, he got a TINY scratch, and then the poison weakened him enough for Garrosh to take the win. Also, why isn't BROXIGAR THE CHAD number 1? He literally wounded a TITAN while standing upon a mountain of demons he had slain. I can't think of any feat that would rival that from a non magic user. Unless we include the player character ofc. Also, I think even Varok Saurfang would beat out Garrosh, but that ones just my opinion.
What about Zul'jin? I mean, this man litteratly beat every troll leader in their own game. Did the troll leader want a race, thinking it is an easy win? nope. Zul jin beat them. a 1v1 combat? Easy. Zul'jin united all the troll tribes just to wage war against the elves. Now i am not sure if zul'jin has magic. but i consider him very strong
Imagine not having Cairne bloodhoof in this list
If Garrosh made this list, someone that was clearly more powerful than Garrosh and was defeating him until poison kicked in, should definitely also be mentioned at a higher spot.
Why no Cairne??
He was literally the strongest mortal alive on Azeroth while he was alive. Even Thrall acknowledged his strength. Even Garrosh did, he never accept the victory after he found out that he just got used as a tool to kill Cairne.
Sad enough that he just died to a poison.....
Thrall did NOT cheat and that’s been confirmed. The rules of a mak’ gora are set by the two participants and if no rules are specified you can throw the entire kitchen sink if you want. No to mention Thrall and Garrosh had already had another mak’gora before where Thrall also used the elements and Garrosh never said anything about it
Essentially Mak'gora allows anything not specifically agreed on not to use before the battle. So Thrall did not cheat. Neither agreed that magic was not to be used.
I would also say Garrosh did not cheat against Cairne Bloodhoof (Magratha Grimtotem did, without Garrosh's knowledge or approval. He made it very clear to her that he didn't approve once he found out, refusing to aid her in her siege of Thunder Bluff, allowing Baine and his forces to take back the city. I hate Garrosh but I will give him credit for this much.)
And Sylvanas did not cheat against Varok Saurfang (though it hardly mattered, since her victory didn't benefit her, since it cost her the support of the Horde and even most of the Forsaken. I doubt she cared; I'm pretty sure since Baine openly defied her she knew her leadership of the Horde was inevitably going to end anyway. But she no longer needed the Horde for her purposes anymore.)
why is he called broxigar the red if it's supposed to be about him covered in demon blood and demon blood is usually green in the game
Because he was blessed by the Red Dragonflight
@@danielcanty5727the vid mentions it’s because of demon blood
18:32 - Gruul the Dragonslayer? Thought it was Gruul the Dragonkiller.
I missed Anduin Lothar
When Brox's axe was taken by the Moon Guards that captured him, Malfurion, under the forest demigod Cenarius' direction, created a mystical axe of wood enchanted with a piece of Kalimdor's magic, making it light as a feather and stronger than any mortal-forged axe. In Brox's hands, it was to be the death of literally thousands of demons and allowed him to achieve the unthinkable against their lord.
You forgot to mention how this was ALL part of the Jailer's plan...
Plans within plans, iridikron is going to revive the jailer with the corrupted dragon soul dontcha know?
Him not being mentioned is also part of his plan.
Garrosh also dueled Thrall during the time of WOTLK pré patch. I'm not sure if Blizzard planned well the ore for this fight, but they were both using armor and Thrall was using shaman spells. Still, Garrosh was holding his ground. The duel happened in Orgrimmar's arena and was interrupted by a Scourge invasion
Thrall could basically 1 shot Garrosh in WOD because he trained a freaking lot to be basically one of the strongest shamans in Azeroth. If the fight was just pure physical strenght Thrall would've lost. I know Makgora (I don't know how to spell and I'm feeling lazy to search) can accept enchanted weapons and the use of spells, but as it appeared this duel between them was limited to muscle strength only. So Thrall needed to "cheat" to defeat Garrosh and that shouldn't be a surprise. A warrior/barbarian would naturally be stronger than a shaman
On Magni, I specifically remember a part from a short story from Cataclysm where Thrall is basically connected to the elements and he hears a dwarven voice singing in the mountains of Dun Morogh or something, which is of course implied to be Magni, who was also one with the land at that point.
Some peak dwarf stuff
I think we need to throw an * next to the top 2. You disqualified other orcs for being green orca and Broxigar also had a magic axe that was infinitely sharp.
As for Galakrond his breath was magical in nature and id argue so was the necro dragons
7:34 The movie is NOT canon.. Stop saying that you can't use magic in Mak'gora's. That's a Warcraft movie thing, not an actual lore thing.
I mean he did say debatably
I we get serious "mak'gora" as a thing didn't even exist back then.
techincally the cheat is thrawl used more than 1 weapon, for a Mak'gora you have to agree on what weapons and armour to use so it is fair and only based on skill. you can also say there was no cheat as they didnt agree before hand on what to use, but to thrawl it still felt like he cheated
I'm so glad Broxigar made the list. He's my favorite Orc in warcraft history.
I would have picked Zul'jin or Cairne instead of e.g. magni and left Galakrond out, since was a confirmed magic-infused experiment.
You're not playing Dragonflight huh? Galakrond's power was the result of Titans experimenting with proto drakes, so he shouldn't be on this list.
At this point every single part of the lore can be retconed in the future, including RetconFlight...
Then why did he have necrotic magic and also void inside of him? Both mof these are very much against the Titans.
And even in the original book, we know the Titan watchers did SOMETHING but both then and now we do NOT know what exactly caused him to go through his change.
@@ArklusDryxal wtf are you talking about? they experimenting infusing different beings with different elements.
Arent humans originally titan creations aswell? Since they descend from the vrykul who were originally titan made
Chad Broxigar vs Virgin Illidan
I mean not all that close Illidan is a master in hand to hand but if we were to rank every warrior in the verse he’d maybe be in the top 30. Brox I’d arguably is easily in the top 5.
Illidan is much stronger as a spell caster and would fall somewhere in the top 10 in the verse.
It’s the fact he mastered both hand to hand combat annnd magic that makes him so deadly and one of the strongest characters in the verse.
@@BigHeadClan cry harder
@@davemustang8173how tf is he crying? He only explained something. Not his fault that you dont know anything about lore
@@Sodys_eyy stop simping
@@davemustang8173 I understand reading isn't your strong point, but you know I was agreeing with you right?
Talking about non magic stiff, Blizzard planned to give Warriors Broxigar Axe as one of artifacts in Legion but scrapped idea because wooden axe appeared to be too druidic-magical themed
my boy Cairne got done dirty with this list.
I was just itching for another hiru video
Glakarond was corrupted by Yogg'soran as it was said in the books found in Uldaman in DF. The corruption made him so big and powerful with decay and void magic
How on Earth are you gonna put Blackhand on there when he lost a 1v1 to Orgrim Doomhammer ? Orgrim supremacy 🔨
Agreed, Orgrim who also lost to Turalyon although tough to say if Paladins really should be included in the non-caster category.
@BigHeadClan yeah it's hard to say. If we allow them, they'd take several spots for sure. Then that kind of opens the door for death knights too 🤷♂️
Yeah... That's a retcon, the first version implied Orgrimm kil*** him by backstabing, not for a duel, anyways Blackhand was so strong that he was the guy who take Doomhammer directly from lava to give it to Orgrimm, we could agree he beats Blackhand on the new lore but in terms of strenght he still seems to be a bit ahead, being superior is not always necessary.
He didn't even beat Lothar in the first version.
Shen zin su sitting in the sides waiting for his spot on the list
How are you not gonna show the trail of like 200 dead mogu that Garrosh plowed through? What a beast.
Thoradin getting some love made me smile :)
I still tear up seeing the varian death cinematic
Magni's diamondification totally counts as magic dude 😂. You can't dismiss fel blood ritual but allow the earth ritual. Orcs can die from drinking the blood, so does that make their body stronger than the 'magic' that changed them, thus counting them? Get Magni outta here! 😂
OK usually like these lists, But to not have Varok Saurfang on the list? Garrosh would be below both Saurfang and Cairne.
Agreee
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gooood god i was jut sleepless, this will be a treat
Having Garrosh but not Cairne on this list is almost criminal.
Just realized that Broxigar's story is literally a copy of Doomguy from DOOM.
I think Vol'Jin deserves a spot or an honorable mention. If i remember correctly he is pretty chad in the actual lore (if no magic).
Also what about that gnome SI7 assassin that was just taking names during the Ironforge raid. Brink Spannercrank (not sure if this was the name). Surely he beats Garrosh xD.
He was a Shadow Hunter, they use magic and are really powerful.
"You look like a piece of raidable meat. Well...are you?" King Mechagon.
thx for the video! can we get the same thing for female characters? i think that could be cool!
Fun fact that every knows but I’m still salty about: Broxigar’s axe, the Axe of Cenarius, was originally supposed to be the artifact weapon for Arms Warriors in Legion.
Worth mentioning about Varian being above Garrosh is that the two did face each other in one on one combat in Ashenvale. No tricks, no others getting involved, straight up combat - Varian bested Garrosh through sheer skill alone.
He is also called Lo'gosh for a reason. He has a metric ton of feats under his belt for a reason
No. Varian had an unfair advantage because the wolf ancient Goldrinn blessed him with divine strength and stamina while Garrosh was a NORMAL orc warrior.
to be fair it's fucky comparing strengths because if you have a human versus orc its fucked for the human due to the orcs size and strength, not sure how blessed varian is but the list is screwed either way
@@midknight9232 EXACTLY. people does not include his boon. in this case, we should match lo'gosh with yshaarj heart garrosh and demon blood grom. both own lo'gosh as a breakfast.
Varian got strength of Goldrynn which is like double of normal person and reflexes like worgen so it shouldn't be counted as his own power
Every mak’gora (sp?) I hear about someone cheated to win….
The only one I heard about was from the Warcraft movies.
Varian had a blessing of a loa like king rashta. Even then surprised he was stronger than Garrosh
I hardly disagree with #1 Galakrond. Yes, he was huge and devastating, BUT he was infused with Old Gods (Yogg Saron) which made him big, huge, necrotic magic infused dragon. Even if he was just a huge physical dragon, proto-dragons are evolved elements. Basicly they're pure elements evolved into physical form, still infused with one of most amounts of magic. Broxxigar is #1
Can't wait to see asmon react to this...
Wtf? How? Why? OMG! Are you kidding me?
Wasn't broxigars axe made by cenarius not malfurion?
yes
Malfurion made it.
I think it was blessed by Cenarius but created by Malfurion 😮
Why are yall slippin on Cairne??? That dude was no joke.. he slammed a bear in the opening cinematic bro…😅
It wasn't him tho.
Varian needs to be higher. He def can beat bronzebeard 1v1 and debatably have a chance against the others except for galakrond
nope. op says without any enhancements. base varian is weak. if you add lo'gosh, you have to add yshaarj garrosh and demon blood grom. all of us know that each of those 2 eat varian alive.
No honorable mention for Gamon, the savior of Orgrimmar?
Both humans and orcs are totally titan forged. The only OG flesh races in Azeroth are trolls/elves, draenei and tauren some of the "monster" races and aqir. Orcs descend from the massive earth elemental Aggramar made, humans from the steel forged that became vrykul.
As much as I like Garrosh, saying that he beat Cairne is just plain wrong. Garrosh got in only one small cut that poisoned Cairne which led to him become unable to fight back and thus Garrosh slew him with the next attack. However, prior to said cut, Cairne was whooping Garrosh's ass with ease. It was completely one sided. Knowing how powerful Garrosh was and how he had clashes with Varian numerous times, just shows how powerful Cairne was despite his advanced age.
I agree with everybody saying that Brox should be #1 and that Cairne deserved a spot, but... why is nobody talking about Grom or Orgrim?
I mean, between Grom and Garrosh, Grom definetely was stronger. Sure he drank Mannoroth's blood, but when he faces Mannoroth in the original time line, the demon's blood has no effect on orcs anymore (they were abbandoned by this power when captured and enslaved by humans, then Thrall restored their spirit thanks to shamanism and the proof to that is that, even after Mannoroth is killed, orcs remain green skinned, even if they are 100% free from the curse) and he basically one shotted him, the most powerful pit lord and one of the most powerful demons known. Just think about the fact that the Doomhammer did NOTHING against him and he KOed Thrall so easily.
Then in alternative time line he still manages to oneshot him again without drinking his blood.
Then about Orgrim he just killed both Blackhand (so why isn't him automatically above him?) and Anduin, two of the most powerful warriors in wow lore
did you mean to use footage from neltharus when talking about neltharion’s lair?
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Going to have to join others, Cairne should have been on this list above Garrosh. Even not being in his prime he demonstrated prowess over Garrosh. Either that or you missed Cairne to bait comments for engagement. If so, well played sir.
Thrall did not cheat. The first mak’gora they had, Thrall threw lightning bolts without anyone protesting.
There was also no blessing, no official witnesses, and both still had armor.
Granted, a mak’gora’s rules are decided by the two combatants, but with how the narrative was carried out? It seems as if the two just decided to fight and end it there.
I personally wouldn't put Varyan not Garrosh over black hand, seeing how was under blackhan's leadership that the horde destroyed and sacked stormwind, forcing Varyan himself to flee and reaching a far greater power then Garrosh ever did.
Edit: And blackhand did all this being a mag'har himself
BROXXIGAR MENTIONED!
galakrond's mutation was NOT natural at all. its been revealed that tyr experimented on him, which is very much a power boost
For the Horde! 🎉
Doctor Weavil, that rat bastard would take two entire raid groups to take down. He definitely deserves a spot on this list.
Wouldn't Sargeras be #1? He didn't need magic to cleave an entire planet in half, just a really, really big sword.
Varian was never without Log'ush powers , what feats did he accomplish without the demigod?
No love for Gamon or Saurfang, the Chuck Norris' of Orgrimmar.
Broxigar is da man!! Er, orc!!!
I was expecting warrior PCs to be at #1 on this list lol
Yeah I wouldn't call Galakrond a non-magic character. Beyond the general magic that Dragons seem to all have he was empowered by Yogg-Saron and infused with both Void and Death Magics which led to him mutating in the first place.
WHERE IS DUROTAN?
How magic of Axe of Cenarius is not magic gain?
He is not mechanically forged, but literally druidically created from wood by Malfurion and enchanted by Cenarius. Cenarius even said that the enchantment on the ax makes him light as a feather and strong as a diamond. Remember the battle between Brox and Varo'then, if not for the light ax, Varo'then most likely would have killed the orc.
If the ax had not been enhanced by magic, Brox simply would not have lived to see Sargeras.
You added Garrosh-mag'har to the list before Ysha-heart, but did not add Grommash before drinking blood, who was a legendary warrior on Draenor before the creation of the First Horde.
#1 being one of the most magically altered out there.
Varian shouldn't be in this list since him being favoured by goldrin, having a magic sword and almost always being buffed by alliance mages
1st place, literally just a player with a melee weapon when they're overleveled/on a tmog run
Do you have any relations to the guy from TheDuelLogs channel? Is it just me or are you and him sounds EXACTLY the same?
23:00 WTH is Galakrond on this list?! You even acknowledge 'until a change took place in him that is currently unknown' yet we DO know that it was magic of some kind that gave him his appetite, size, and power far beyond other dragons. There is no reason he should have even been considered for this list, let alone take the top spot.
Was Mechagon’s great weapon called the Biobliterator?
Funnily enough, the French voice-actor of King Mechagon ALSO voiced Dr Nefarious in Ratchet and Clank series.
So you are not that far from the truth. not the right dimension but... ;-)
Old thumbnail Galakrond changed to new thumbnail Garrosh.
If only King Mechagon knew the tragic tale of the Necrons. PepeSad
Now I'm not saying Galakrond came across a reality jumping Marvel zombie and became infected...butttt
Damn the marvel fatigue still gets to me even when referencing a decent comic run.
Hiru is such a Garrosh fan boy
love the vids
do a top 10 rouges
Cairne is 2x more stronger than garrosh
No Rexxar?
I thought Rexxar was going to be on the list too.