Igor!!! Thank you so much for the review, I love your printer and filament reviews because you cover every aspect that matters to me as a customer! The first layer test was especially something I think is highly lacking from many reviews! Thank you again!!
Thank you so much for a level observation of this printer. We can always count on you for a fair assessment! * I much prefer their choice to run a slow and careful bed mesh and create a build plate profile, therefore no need for an adaptive mesh before printing on most prints. * I like the filament run out placement, and that it will use up the rest of the filament in the tube! - (Edit to add here - that run-out distance is set in the Filament Runout parameters in Klipper) * A PTFE guide with 3 mm ID / 4 mm OD performs much better. Qidi has started doing this from factory, I hope @Elegoo will do that also! * I HATE the door, the tint, that it is glass not PC, and especially loathe the hinges.
Thank you for the honest review. Does look like a good unit overall. Hopefully MMU soon. Been wondering lately why no off the shelf printers have yet adopted one of the new eddy current bed mesh sensors. 9 minutes startup is crazy.
The technology is improving quickly. Check out the new version of the Beacon probe. It sweeps over the bed scanning it to make a bed mesh, like Eddy, but the new version of the Beacon also has some magic that allows it to sense the nozzle directly probing the bed with only 20 gram force touch. It directly measures Z=0 with the heated nozzle and heated bed, so no more temperature drift errors nor errors induced by inferring Z offset from some other measurement.
i'm of course not calling names here, but i'm very interested to see the "reviews" of certain other channels, now that i have a reliable first impression to compare it against. ;)
@@saintjohnny45 just to be sure: i'm not accusing any of those creators, i just have a very sceptical look on their claims to be "unbiased" when reviewing certain vendors. The first two that come to my mind are 3d Printing Nerd and The Next Layer. And of course our friend whose "wounds will never heal" also has not the best standing in those regards.
Thanks Igor. If you ever feel like doing more on this printer, I'd love to see a 2mm belt tooth VFA comparison between this and the P1S/X1C using shiny PETG. It's a real problem on the Bambu printers. Below 160mm/s especially.
I like the way you do the reviews, but i dont like when vendors essentially dictate how the reviews are done or are done with a very specific comparison in mind.
The closed source/ eleggoOS is a showstopper for me! Specially after the Bambulab TOS Desaster and if the basics don't work, we can't fix it, so it's a pass for me 😢
These would all be good for a follow up features and capabilities test and review. Probably not Igor's thing, but I'm sure someone else will provide that needed information.
I miss the 250g spools personally, I really do not like that a lot of companies have cheeped out to 100g now, you can't print anything useful with that amount.
It's extra odd because Elegoo is a major filament seller - you'd think they wanted to show off an Elegoo spool to tempt people to keep buying the thing that worked for their first prints.
Lol, this one is not going to go on Elegoo's win playlist, is it? Veeeeeery easy to see which youtubers are getting their backs scratched in all the right places based on the basic issues they skip over or don't uncover in the first place. I wonder if they realise they're shooting their golden goose when people work out their reviews are just ads and channels like this one are where you go to find the real performance on day 1.
@MyTechFun TH-cam's algorithm definitely likes videos with midroll ads. Might be worth getting in touch with the mods of /r/functionalprint about linking some of your work there, especially for your filament strength testing videos.
@@MyTechFun Screw TH-cam! You are my number one objectively presented source of knowledge in this domain. Most of the other TH-camrs are just influencer-type people. We can see this. The algorithm cannot detect this simple fact.
@@MyTechFun - People who know seek out the reliable and unbiased information. Thank you for providing that information. It is a shame that the advertorials get the most views but people are gradually becoming more savvy about where and how they consume information... and not just 3D printer reviews.
Thanks for the review, sir. I was hoping for a heated buid chamber. They did a decent job for their first core XY. However, I feel they could have been a bit more original.
Man we really can't see any details from those prints... White, the owl has a weird surface, the red thingy has no light, green thing no focus... Next time please show at least the printer profiles so we can see how much speed / accel it uses, even better do a flow test and show input shaping graph? And what about the OS / Firmware / Slicer? Does it run Klipper? Can you ssh to it and install standard FLUIDD and addons? Are standard slicers able to connect to the printer? I mean: is it a weird proprietary closed software or is it open like the old Neptune 2-4? What about multimaterial: does it come with a filament cutter in the toolhead?
@@MyTechFun I would guess the profiles in their fork could be ported to Orca, unless they've modified how the profiles are interpreted in their version.
@@MyTechFun - This was perhaps the biggest disappointment. The Elegoo rep at FormNext seemed to indicate that Elegoo understood that Centauri needed to be easy to use with good out of the box success, to compete with Bambu Lab. The correctable issues shown in this video were a bit disappointing but no tuned slicer profiles just like everyone else is unacceptable. I create my own profiles, and I *still* want good generic profiles so I can start printing ASAP. It's not difficult to create slicer profiles. These companies will remove Klipper features to make their own custom firmware but not provide machine specific slicer settings? Why?
@@timothymusson5040 - I watched a not-a-review sponsored video for the Centauri Carbon. Elegoo provides very good profiles for all of their filaments and Centauri is capable of some very nice prints using those profiles, but Elegoo didn't publish those profiles for PrusaSlicer or OrcaSlicer. They're only available in the Elegoo Slicer that Elegoo provides, which is apparently OrcaSlicer with other printers removed and the Elegoo logo added. This is even more infuriating. Hopefully, someone moves the profiles to OrcaSlicer and PrusaSlicer. Manufacturer specific re-skinned open source slicers are something that customers (aka the community) should not tolerate.
Not exactly an innovative printer, but I guess it could be worse. Hopefully this gives them something to improve from on their own and actually try to make something of their own. Not sure why you wouldn't just spend 250$ more and get a Qidi Plus4 that can do 370C nozzle with an active heater and larger build volume. It's the uncontested best consumer printer for engineering materials.
Too many problems and that first layer is just dog shit. This shows the level of elegoo. I believe nowadays creality is a better option for a cheaper option compared to bambu lab.
Thanks for the review Igor. Looks like this one is a hard pass. Too many small annoyances that add up to be seriously detrimental to the printing experience.
Still halfway through the video but I can't seem to find this printer anywhere on their website for sale? Was thinking this could be a good alternative to a Bambu, especially for someone like me who definitely doesn't want to spend ~1k
it's not yet released, its a review unit, for user feed backs, seems like the printer is bit rushed, there are some flaws, needs more refine before they release it to the market, a regular neptune 4 plus or max with enclosure works ok.
Seems mediocre to me. Curious to see the electronics they use, how much performance headroom there is and how upgradeable it is. All assuming you can root it and run mainline klipper on it, otherwise it's already deal breaker for me.
Still find it weird 3D printers have review embargo now... After the circus with Bambu printer I'll never trust a non open printer (at least software wise)
I had the worst experience with Elegoo filament. I only tried their PLA filament since it was on sale in Amazon. The Elegoo PLA didn't stick to anything, PEI, glass, glue stick, nothing!!! And it also warped like crazy, the warping is even worse than ABS. The only thing that I had success eith to print it is double sided tape, and even using it the print can fail due to the extreme warping of the print. I never had this kind of bad PLA filament. Hope their other filaments are better than PLA...
Interesting. I've had good experience with Elegoo PLA and Rapid PLA+ filament. I just bought ten spools of Elegoo black PLA for $9.50 per kg, including shipping. I haven't tried their color filaments.
Comparison to X1C from Elegoo is a joke... Printer without Lidar and autotuning is just competitor of P1S. Then price difference is 100-150 USD and if it's not open source I don't see any advantage of this printer vs P1S. If it would be open sourced, there could be discussion due to last updates of Bambu
The machine is not good enough to justify its existence given the other machines on the market. Seems like they kept the development of the machine too internal and should have sent this off for user feedback
This is an absolute clone lol, Good. We need good quality clones of Bambu machines so either we can move past them, or they can produce an even better machine.
@ Yep. They asked him for a review video and don’t even give him an affiliate link for sales he generates, so he’s good enough to do their marketing but not good enough to benefit from it.
I wonder with some of these inexpensive Chinese printers if some of their business model is stealing your IP? They of course know these printer will be used for professional prototyping.
This printer not, I am running it only on local network. Bambu uses cloud, thats very different. They have access to IP, all objects, maybe camera footage etc.
Igor!!! Thank you so much for the review, I love your printer and filament reviews because you cover every aspect that matters to me as a customer! The first layer test was especially something I think is highly lacking from many reviews! Thank you again!!
Great review, your honesty and professionalism is appreciated.
very great review as always :)
Thank you very much for your service to our community
Let the CoreXY 'race to the bottom' commence! 😆
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Thank you so much for a level observation of this printer. We can always count on you for a fair assessment!
* I much prefer their choice to run a slow and careful bed mesh and create a build plate profile, therefore no need for an adaptive mesh before printing on most prints.
* I like the filament run out placement, and that it will use up the rest of the filament in the tube!
- (Edit to add here - that run-out distance is set in the Filament Runout parameters in Klipper)
* A PTFE guide with 3 mm ID / 4 mm OD performs much better. Qidi has started doing this from factory, I hope @Elegoo will do that also!
* I HATE the door, the tint, that it is glass not PC, and especially loathe the hinges.
One thing I don''t like with my P1S is that I can't flip the door.
Thank you for the honest review. Does look like a good unit overall. Hopefully MMU soon.
Been wondering lately why no off the shelf printers have yet adopted one of the new eddy current bed mesh sensors. 9 minutes startup is crazy.
The technology is improving quickly. Check out the new version of the Beacon probe. It sweeps over the bed scanning it to make a bed mesh, like Eddy, but the new version of the Beacon also has some magic that allows it to sense the nozzle directly probing the bed with only 20 gram force touch. It directly measures Z=0 with the heated nozzle and heated bed, so no more temperature drift errors nor errors induced by inferring Z offset from some other measurement.
Thanks for the solid first layer test 👍 Also great video.
i'm of course not calling names here, but i'm very interested to see the "reviews" of certain other channels, now that i have a reliable first impression to compare it against. ;)
please name them, i have one in mind that likes to "review" sometimes.
@@saintjohnny45 just to be sure: i'm not accusing any of those creators, i just have a very sceptical look on their claims to be "unbiased" when reviewing certain vendors. The first two that come to my mind are 3d Printing Nerd and The Next Layer. And of course our friend whose "wounds will never heal" also has not the best standing in those regards.
You and nathanbuildsrobots are the only review channels i trust and watch. I hate ad reviews.
NBR is very biased though. Aurora is imho the best
nathan is absolute moron and beggar lol
Yep, he even stated that he's creality fanboy, at least he admitted the printer's flaw and fix them
@@riba2233
Aurora will put out reviews and take the manufacturer as the actual video sponsor...
Thanks Igor. If you ever feel like doing more on this printer, I'd love to see a 2mm belt tooth VFA comparison between this and the P1S/X1C using shiny PETG. It's a real problem on the Bambu printers. Below 160mm/s especially.
I like the way you do the reviews, but i dont like when vendors essentially dictate how the reviews are done or are done with a very specific comparison in mind.
The closed source/ eleggoOS is a showstopper for me!
Specially after the Bambulab TOS Desaster and if the basics don't work, we can't fix it, so it's a pass for me 😢
Keeping in mind the price, how would you rank this against the Qidi Q1 pro and Creality K1C?
Is it possible to say a word or 2 about the toolhead? What kind of nozzle does it use, maybe maxflow rate test? How is cooling?
These would all be good for a follow up features and capabilities test and review. Probably not Igor's thing, but I'm sure someone else will provide that needed information.
I miss the 250g spools personally, I really do not like that a lot of companies have cheeped out to 100g now, you can't print anything useful with that amount.
On the plus side, a loose coil of filament is very useful for testing tangle detection. 😀
@Liberty4Ever lol
It's extra odd because Elegoo is a major filament seller - you'd think they wanted to show off an Elegoo spool to tempt people to keep buying the thing that worked for their first prints.
@MumrikDK exactly
Lol, this one is not going to go on Elegoo's win playlist, is it? Veeeeeery easy to see which youtubers are getting their backs scratched in all the right places based on the basic issues they skip over or don't uncover in the first place. I wonder if they realise they're shooting their golden goose when people work out their reviews are just ads and channels like this one are where you go to find the real performance on day 1.
Pity that YT algorithm doesn't share your opinion. My video will stuck on 3-4k views. Those ad-videos will get 30x more views.
@MyTechFun TH-cam's algorithm definitely likes videos with midroll ads. Might be worth getting in touch with the mods of /r/functionalprint about linking some of your work there, especially for your filament strength testing videos.
@@MyTechFun Screw TH-cam! You are my number one objectively presented source of knowledge in this domain. Most of the other TH-camrs are just influencer-type people. We can see this. The algorithm cannot detect this simple fact.
@@MyTechFun - People who know seek out the reliable and unbiased information. Thank you for providing that information. It is a shame that the advertorials get the most views but people are gradually becoming more savvy about where and how they consume information... and not just 3D printer reviews.
Thanks for the review, sir. I was hoping for a heated buid chamber. They did a decent job for their first core XY. However, I feel they could have been a bit more original.
8:52 would this tight radius be even more of a problem with fiber filled filaments?
Certainly worse with brittle filaments like silks and fibers can be.
Presumably you can install Klipper on this? Or does it already have Klipper?
Looks like it's secret. If it would be a Klipper, it should be open source.
It's a stripped-down klipper without full access
@@illich1010 doesn't matter, they need to opensource it if they used a line of klipper code...
@M1h3cM Say it to bambulab
It can be RRF, with bootloader lock
Thanks for the review and information! I feel like the Qidi Q1 Pro might be a better choice in the
For the price, how does it compare to the QIDI xmax3 that you reviewed earlier?
Thanks for an honest review. It sounds terrible, but it’s a budget printer, so it’s priced appropriately.
Man we really can't see any details from those prints... White, the owl has a weird surface, the red thingy has no light, green thing no focus...
Next time please show at least the printer profiles so we can see how much speed / accel it uses, even better do a flow test and show input shaping graph?
And what about the OS / Firmware / Slicer? Does it run Klipper? Can you ssh to it and install standard FLUIDD and addons? Are standard slicers able to connect to the printer? I mean: is it a weird proprietary closed software or is it open like the old Neptune 2-4?
What about multimaterial: does it come with a filament cutter in the toolhead?
Could you use Orca Slicer, or are you required to use their fork?
You can use Orca slicer. But you have to wait for profiles 😉 or create your own
@@MyTechFun I would guess the profiles in their fork could be ported to Orca, unless they've modified how the profiles are interpreted in their version.
@@MyTechFun - This was perhaps the biggest disappointment. The Elegoo rep at FormNext seemed to indicate that Elegoo understood that Centauri needed to be easy to use with good out of the box success, to compete with Bambu Lab. The correctable issues shown in this video were a bit disappointing but no tuned slicer profiles just like everyone else is unacceptable. I create my own profiles, and I *still* want good generic profiles so I can start printing ASAP. It's not difficult to create slicer profiles. These companies will remove Klipper features to make their own custom firmware but not provide machine specific slicer settings? Why?
@@Liberty4Everits as if they want people to dislike their product. I don’t get it.
@@timothymusson5040 - I watched a not-a-review sponsored video for the Centauri Carbon. Elegoo provides very good profiles for all of their filaments and Centauri is capable of some very nice prints using those profiles, but Elegoo didn't publish those profiles for PrusaSlicer or OrcaSlicer. They're only available in the Elegoo Slicer that Elegoo provides, which is apparently OrcaSlicer with other printers removed and the Elegoo logo added. This is even more infuriating. Hopefully, someone moves the profiles to OrcaSlicer and PrusaSlicer. Manufacturer specific re-skinned open source slicers are something that customers (aka the community) should not tolerate.
Not exactly an innovative printer, but I guess it could be worse. Hopefully this gives them something to improve from on their own and actually try to make something of their own.
Not sure why you wouldn't just spend 250$ more and get a Qidi Plus4 that can do 370C nozzle with an active heater and larger build volume. It's the uncontested best consumer printer for engineering materials.
Absolutely not innovative printer. It's a copy-paste with some drop-out functions and significantly cutting the price.
@@MyTechFun
But even the price at is not that good really when you have k1c around....
You’re not sure why someone wouldn’t spend 50% more for features they don’t need?
@@radish6691
Please do elaborate
@M1h3cM My reply was for OP, not you. Your comment wasn’t visible to me when I wrote mine, and I have no comment on your comment. 😁
Too many problems and that first layer is just dog shit. This shows the level of elegoo. I believe nowadays creality is a better option for a cheaper option compared to bambu lab.
Only thing I would get from elegoo would be their cheap pla+
Is it safe to assume there is no need for Internet just to print, like a normal 3Dprinter.
Correct. You can use USB drive. Or just a local network (still no Internet) then you don't need the USB drive.
Thanks for the review Igor. Looks like this one is a hard pass. Too many small annoyances that add up to be seriously detrimental to the printing experience.
How can I download Elegoo Slicer?
The only way I know how to is via the Elegoo discord, from what I have seen it is still in beta.
Still halfway through the video but I can't seem to find this printer anywhere on their website for sale? Was thinking this could be a good alternative to a Bambu, especially for someone like me who definitely doesn't want to spend ~1k
it's not yet released, its a review unit, for user feed backs, seems like the printer is bit rushed, there are some flaws, needs more refine before they release it to the market, a regular neptune 4 plus or max with enclosure works ok.
@ THanks
Release date should be February 17th, via uncle jessy's video
It's not on the site and they are not unveiling the price for another week or so. Pretty weird strategy.
Seems mediocre to me.
Curious to see the electronics they use, how much performance headroom there is and how upgradeable it is.
All assuming you can root it and run mainline klipper on it, otherwise it's already deal breaker for me.
this looks a whole lot like a Creality printer
Still find it weird 3D printers have review embargo now... After the circus with Bambu printer I'll never trust a non open printer (at least software wise)
I had the worst experience with Elegoo filament. I only tried their PLA filament since it was on sale in Amazon. The Elegoo PLA didn't stick to anything, PEI, glass, glue stick, nothing!!! And it also warped like crazy, the warping is even worse than ABS. The only thing that I had success eith to print it is double sided tape, and even using it the print can fail due to the extreme warping of the print. I never had this kind of bad PLA filament. Hope their other filaments are better than PLA...
Interesting. I've had good experience with Elegoo PLA and Rapid PLA+ filament. I just bought ten spools of Elegoo black PLA for $9.50 per kg, including shipping. I haven't tried their color filaments.
Weird. I've been going through kilos of it and it's like any other totally okay basic PLA.
Comparison to X1C from Elegoo is a joke... Printer without Lidar and autotuning is just competitor of P1S. Then price difference is 100-150 USD and if it's not open source I don't see any advantage of this printer vs P1S. If it would be open sourced, there could be discussion due to last updates of Bambu
But the screeeen! Not even comparable with P1S 😉
$100-150 is ALOT so quit acting like is doesn’t make a difference…
@@zionsoldier08 not in this context.
The machine is not good enough to justify its existence given the other machines on the market. Seems like they kept the development of the machine too internal and should have sent this off for user feedback
500$ is too much for this, looks boring
This is an absolute clone lol, Good.
We need good quality clones of Bambu machines so either we can move past them, or they can produce an even better machine.
Interesting but still much worse than qidi q1 pro.
Isn't the q1 pro 599$? This thing is 500$ and in my honest opinion looks 10 times more professional than a bake oven (the qidi looks weird man)
Curious about Igor's take on Elegoo vs Qidi in this space
@@jojojo5145 no, qidi is cheaper. Looks are not important in the end, performance is and qidi has a heated chamber.
@@jojojo5145 nah it's less than that and has better specs
Q1 is less than this and looks don't matter, specs do and it has better specs
Another copycat printer? 🥱
You are right, instead of cube, it should be in the shape of a sphere.
@@woodcat7180 don't act dumb bro
@@riba2233 One could say, it's a carbon copy. Better?
@ haha yeah :D
Would anyone be able to recommend me a good 3D printer?
This is just a cheap copy of the K1 printer from Creality, which in turn is a cheap copy of the Bamboolab. I think K1 will be better quality.
Remember when K1 came out it was a bit of a disaster.
Am i the only one that thinks this looks like an x1c?
No. Elegoo thinks that too. But you are both wrong, if you know what I mean 😉
It's the Centauri *CARBON*. 😀
Just like 5-10 other printers, mate.
Why did you agree to review the printer if they didn’t let you join their affiliate program?
He should only review printers from people whose club he is in?
@ Yep. They asked him for a review video and don’t even give him an affiliate link for sales he generates, so he’s good enough to do their marketing but not good enough to benefit from it.
I wonder with some of these inexpensive Chinese printers if some of their business model is stealing your IP? They of course know these printer will be used for professional prototyping.
This printer not, I am running it only on local network. Bambu uses cloud, thats very different. They have access to IP, all objects, maybe camera footage etc.