Do England Need To DROP Kane to WIN Euro 2024? 🏆
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The lads on The Kick Off review yesterday's euro 2024 quarter final which saw England beat Switzerland on penalties.
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Funnily enough Greece’s manager in 04 was actually a tremendous manager, multiple Bundesliga titles to his name with Werder Bremen. Southgate can’t even get a job in the efl championship.
Yeah Otto Rehhagel was a distinguished coach in his own right prior to winning the Euros, he wasn't a no-mark like Southgate
Alright mate
Also greeces manager won with a terrible squad while Southgate literally has had a fifa squad for last 2 tournaments only his first euro team wasnt stacked
It was a stupid point, even if the manager was bad in that tournament he was amazing.
Yeah and why would we know Greece's manager in the first place? The English manager however, that's bound to be known.
This just reminds me of the 2019 UCL final when Poch benched an in form Lucas Moura to accommodate an unfit Harry Kane who had been out for like two months prior to that
completely.
summed kane up.
when they were all having their pitcture taken pregame it showed kane and spurs mentality: being in the final was a personal achievement.
he wasnt prepared to sacrifice that for the good of the team
Dude Tottenham was never gonna win that final no matter who played. Their just allergic to trophies😂😂😂
My 1 point is that england are winning and kane is a huge game changer when it does click ik it hasnt but he could essily score a hattrick in the final or semi final
The disrespect to Lucas after scoring a hattrick with his weaker foot to lead them to an insane comeback like that.
@@kin9_derp952easily ??
He doesn’t look like he could ‘easily’ put on his kit at the moment.
Lmaoo the Greece manager was a 3time bundesliga winner as a manager
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Joey talks shi** but isn't fact checked.
Southgate has never won anything as a manager, total failure. The lunacy if his penalty subs cost us a trophy. Can u imagine if a proper manager was in charge of England.
You googled it stop
@chavinho7793 that's not the point at all though. It sounds like his point was "the manager doesn't matter because you don't remember the Greece manager's name". In reality, the manager does matter and having a Bundesliga winning manager would have helped Greece over the line. England doesn't have that
@@TheLizardKingC I think his point was nobody actually remembers who the manager was so long as they win who cares how they play and who it was
@@chavinho7793 His point is "you dont have to be a great manager to win tournament" the "remembering" part is just hyperbole.
The fact Embolo who just came back from an awful injury looked more of a threat and held the ball up better then Kane is embarrassing for Kane
Kane also had an injury Before the tournament
@@aaronhuggett1893 not as bad as Embolo who was out for over a year
@StephenC1908 so you think Kane had a better game then Embolo??
@StephenC1908 literally just stating both have been injured u clown
Embolo was terrible. Konsa was comfortable the whole game. The goal was the only quality he showed the whole match
Oh absolutely the moment Foden put a ball in to Saka who then put a great cross in and Kane wasn't even in the box that moment summed Kane up
Absofuckinglutely
Yep saka put the ball in a great area a few times and Kane was missing
The best version of Kane would have been on the end of that 100%. Shocking from kane.
He moves like a castrated dog. He offers nothing!! Ohh arry' can do penalties ....well, we just nailed pens without him, so WHAT does he bring?
kane was doing a light jog at the time what is he even doing
Funny how Joey is using the trippier behind Foden argument to excuse his performances.
Saka has been dealing with Walker but he’s been getting calls to get benched lol
Qwhite interesting
saka keeps getting the ball from walker to take on his man kane has reciveed table from fodder less time than fodder has passed to kane thats the different
Kane was cramping after he fell. You could see it. And Southgate said the same in the press conference. But 100% he should have been off at 45 or 60 mins.
Harry Kane’s trophy dodging negative energy field is so clear to behold. We’ll have to drag him kicking and screaming to get to that trophy podium. Just replace him for thedear love of god. This is why Southgate is so insufferable.
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KG said it right. Arsenal dealt with the whole missed penalty situation better than Man Utd. I’m glad that he raised that take 👏🏾
I’ve watched all of these post match reactions and I still have no idea what Joey is in about. The general apologetics on England by the media are embarrassing. They are, by far, the worst performing side I’ve ever seen. I don’t mean worst side, I mean worst ‘performing’ side. The talent/capacity of the squad compared to the dross they are producing every game is atrocious. England absolutely will not win this tournament even though they have all the potential to, so all of this ‘pro England’ orthodoxy is pure apologetics or conjecture. It’s actually quite pathetic that the majority of the country can see what a select few media ‘experts’ can’t
Miss the lives icl. Shearer being co commentator is my only solace
Me too.
Shearers a wank
kane did nothing in 120mins and then bottled it when england needed penalty takers and subbed himself off.
It's sad that Gareth not losing vindicates his poor choices in lineups and lack of experimentation.
This is what you get when you make you manager and captain people who never won anything and expect them to be successful.
Anyone who’s positive about Southgate is just underestimating our team… we have arguably the best squad in the world and we’ve barely beat anyone we’ve played this euros, how anyone can be positive just because we scraped past teams is mental to me
1) in Knockout football it is rare that more than 1 or 2 goals are scored. Wins by 1 goal or penalties is very normal.
2) we need to be realistic, we do not have a history of doing anything at tournaments (especially when we are not the host nation). We’ve had better squads in the past who have been better from 1-11, and not done nearly as well as Southgate has done over the last few years.
@@proballah7But this is because Club football was seen as bigger than England by players back then. Very different situations
@@proballah7 That's not the point though is it. Not having a history of doing anything at tournaments isn't a valid argument to piss a "golden generation" up the wall. We had better squads in the past when our opposition had ridiculously better squads than us. This is not the case anymore. Southgate doing better and winning nothing with what's considered the lucky/easy routes to the final is underachieving. Eriksson hypothetically beating Brazil in 2002, with players like Ronaldinho, R9, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, would surely be overachieving, especially if we got to the final of that WC and beat Germany.
You don't win trophies for doing better, you win trophies for winning. What's worse is Southgate is holding us back. We have the PL/La Liga POTS, Bundesliga top goalscorer, 40/40+ goal contributions Palmer and Ollie Watkins, treble winners, Rice and Saka who finished a point off of winning the PL. You're not being realistic at all, you're making excuses.
@@dopeyrelaxingsounds8607 Couldn't have said it better myself 👏🏾👏🏾 someone who knows football
Does he get no credit for allowing the players to feel confident enough to pull big moments out or absolutely dominate a penalty shootout?
Completely agree that the lack of changes are huge red flags and I'm not convinced but I thought we got the tactics right to begin with and there are some positives to this team. The negatives can't all be on the manager and the positives on the players.
23:50 the three faces of "are you mental mate?" 😆
It's literally so easy to read . Kane is slow but an amazing finisher . He should be used as a super sub at minute 70, when the defenders are tired .
Ollie Watkins should be starting ,since he is so mobile and quick .
Toney could be better cause he can hold up the ball. Simpler football too.
If ollie Watkins is so good why tf is he at villa
1000% agree
@@MasumAbdullah-zc1ubAre you stupid or do you just not know anything about football
@@MasumAbdullah-zc1ub30+ goals and assists for the 4th best team in the league zero ball knowledge
Can see England doing a Portugal unfortunately.
England have totally stank the place out and only managed to win ONE game in 90 mins.
For the players England have its been terrible. It just shows how important a good manager is and how important it is having a manager the players want to play for.
A good manager would've won at least 2 outta the last 3 tournaments with those English players.
KG and True Geordie are such kindred spirits i love it
Really enjoy these, I think the kick off is the best it’s been in years. Much better than the watch alongs. Just good debates. Look forward to the next one 👍
Can’t compare Greece from 04 with the talent this England team has, plus that 04 Greece coach was a club winner
Been lucky every game. Either we going home in semi or lose in final unless we really improved with the end products. Hardly seen any shots on target.
Kane should start every match, but be subbed for Toney at the 60th minute. I get Gareth's late substitutions in the last 2 games, he, as well as the rest of us watching, were hoping we could come from behind and get to extra time. His reserved in his use of subs, to use them in extra time, and we cant fault his subs, when it came down to penalty takers, Ivan Toney and Trent AA where 100% needed for the shoot out
Bottom left guy never gets to talk 😂 he gets interrupted everytime 😂
I’m all for dropping Kane, but you put runners in behind which we don’t have because Gareth didn’t pick them, you would see more as well as getting good crosses into the box
I genuinely enjoy these debriefs and Joey’s optimism!
Subbing Trent on right at the end and then having him take the last penalty is insane. Southgate was trying to set him up lol.
Kane is killing England. Far too deep and when he is in the attacking third, he can't find space. Always exactly where the defence want him.
Foden has been poor, but I think getting him more central and a pacey winger on the left would benefit him, the team's balance and make us more potent.
5 games in and you losers still want to accommodate useless Foden😂😏
When are English people gonna accept Foden is an amazing in man city and trash in the English team he has 3 goals in 40 appearances for England? He is protected bc he is white and an EPL PR product. He needs Pep and the man city system to do anything. Enough with this delusion.
I don't know why they don't just bring Harry kane on in the second half.
Kane is lazy. Out of shape and should not play !
Hes not lazy. Its lazy to say hes lazy
@@kin9_derp952he is lazy, saka was beating 2 man coverage and he’s not in the box
@@kin9_derp952lazy to say he’s lazy🤣🤣 spurs fan or?
@@kin9_derp952 He is Lazy and needs to go. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about !!!
@@reubenbowen5096not lazy but he’s way out of position. He was going back defending yesterday for no reason and all these Pickford hoof balls not landing him as well. But it is a Southgate problem, he’s making other strikers impossible to get minutes even when Kane is out of form or just knackered after a long season.
Only England fans will talk about dropping one of the best strikers on the planet when it’s clearly southgate lol
Rants n bants and TG needs to collaborate. 2 of the realest TH-camrs
Otto Rehhagel was the Greece manager
good point on the shaw/foden combo, look at how much overlap/service and help nico williams has had from cucurella...wait, theres an idea..
8:47 well played 😭😭
As a spurs fan. Yes he needs to be drop. He is a very good striker in a normal game, but when in a high intensity game where your striker need to lead and fight crazy for anything (like drogba ) he doesn't have the mental strength to achieve that.
For example , he would bully the man city defence and midfielders when we play them in a normal game , but in a high intensity game like a final, he struggled against the same opposition when the defenders put their heart and soul in every challenges
Joey "What I WOULD say" Knight
Lool😊😊😊😂
Joey wouldn't have Harry Kane take a penalty over Trent, who has never scored a penalty in his professional career? okay lol
Trent has scored every penalty he has taken 9/9
@@BlackoutStarman and Kane took 8 in game penalties for Bayern last season and scored all of them. Trent has never taken one in a professional match. Choosing him over Harry Kane in any situation is insane.
@@alex1210000 The last time Kane took a pressure pen for England he missed it
@@BlackoutStarman well he equalised against italy in the qualifiers as his next pen for italy but yeah i get the point
He did last night and that’s all that counts
How can people say Kane is the problem when he scored what 40+ goals this season for his club lol? It means the setup around him is not good. So you have two options. Change the setup or change Kane. I would not sacrifice one of the best strikers of this generation, but I'm not the coach. Foden wants to score, Saka wants to score, Rice is taking shots from the 30 yard line. This is not how a team works. Similar to Ronaldo in this Euros. You can't setup a team where a striker needs service but then put a bunch of people around them that want to be the hero for themselves. It has never and will never work.
I didn’t need to Google but Greece’s manager was Otto Rehhagel who was known for winning league championships with underdog teams against the mighty Bayern. And I’m pretty sure a lot of people watching this video knew this too, not just me. Surprised none of these guys knew that. Football exists outside of the premier league lads 😂.
The type of people that say that Arsenal are favourites to win the UCL over Real Madrid at the beginning of every season.
It’s sad that England needs to use another entire tournament to figure out their lineup.
Given the individual talent of every player in that squad its disappointing we aren't beating these teams with more than one or two shots on target.
Brilliant commentary! You guys rule. Best from Mexico
They have made 3 semi finals because they have had the easier groups and teams to play
Doesn't matter
Yeah England has had suspiciously easy draws in recent tournaments and they still managed to get dumped by Iceland and Croatia.
Loved this format, but this channel was the king of the live streams, hope they're back for the new season
The kickoff is a zoom after game podcast now?
Put Trent in
england need to watch the kruyff diamond video.
Kane curse is too strong now😂😂
Gareth Southgate needs to learn how to effectively coach football, this is noy a VIDEO GAME, he kept put in the highest rating player like a kid playing FIFA 2024
Thought kg was talking about Man U when talking about weghorst coming on for depay lmao 🤯
😂😂😂 We've had quite a few stinkers at United innit 😅
I get what Joey is saying about Sterling. The team lacks runners which is why I was shocked Rashford didn’t get a call up despite his bad form.
He doesn’t trust Gordon so why not just take Rashford then since he’s actually delivered before.
Tactically we got it right in the first half, the lineup was very similar but pushing trippier and saka high and having rice drop deep created a lot of space for Bellingham, foden linked up well with saka who was basically his only option. If we had Shaw or Chillwell and replaced Kane I think we put two goals away.
The second half was very poor, subs were poor and tactically it fell completely apart but remember we only went back for analysis after the penalties where everyone was buzzing.
Very few people were suggesting dropping kane before the game.
When saka took the penalty it reminded me of Stuart Pearce
I think it’s absolutely crazy that people are so desperately wanting Kane out. Before this tournament on paper he is 1 of the BEST STRIKERS IN EUROPE. You need star players like him TO WIN TOURNAMENTS there is 0 chance we would win with out him, Star players like Kane, Bellingham,Saka are what win games, just look at the Bellingham goal and then kanes ,they wasn’t playing that well but at the end of the day these sort of players will have those MAJICAL MOMMENTS and you need that. I also think that it’s partly the SYSTEM that doesn’t suit Kane’s play style. we need GOOD crosses in the box for Kane, and having 2 WRONG footed players on the wings means he gets LIMITED GOOD CROSES so ofc he’s not gonna be scoring as much.
Regarding “Cole Palmer is a baby”. He’s 22, which is the same age as Saka. He’s 8 months younger than Saka.
I reckon Trent was talking about Eze
I think when they said "Brave" - it was based around Southgate sticking to the guns
Jacob not being here is a crime, deserves to rave about Saka
holland create a lot of chances and were unlucky not to beat france. Their issue is putting the chances away.
could open the game up for england if we have runners who can get in behind like start watkins or bring him on of the bench
Given how good the players are and how lucky the draws have been in the last 4 tournaments the narrative needs to change to Southgate has cost us trophies.
Cole Palmer is special 😂
Exactly what i say about the team needing a chaos agent like sterling not just for kane but for the team period if sterling was on the left things would be going alot better for this team
Kane wouldn’t shy away from a penalty, even after the miss against France, he went first in the Euros final last year in the penalty shootout
With how they are talking about him you wouldn't think Kane scored the most goals in Europe this past season.
Kane isn't finished. He just doesn't thrive in this system. He should definitely adapt his game because he must have realised that dropping deep isn't doing anything for England. Southgate might be better served making him a super sub when England are forced to be more attacking.
Also, it's laughable to think Kane would shy away from a pen. Remember he took the first pen in the Euros final vs Italy and taken pens in pretty much every shootout before that. I know he's been ineffective, but let's not dispose of common sense.
Raheem Sterling was incredible in the last Euros. Agree with Joey.
Which has nothing to do with this one
@@LJ-nx8webut let's be honest nobody ever acknowledges it
They were talking abt Alan shearer, Sir Bobby, Greece managers who also have nothing to do with this one
Everyone knows Otto Rehhagel was the greece 04 manager, come on bro. 😂
So joey was saying we better drop an uprising potential and premiere league mvp than drop a 30yr old man that plays like 40yr old
England haven't had a lead with Maino on the pitch.... Gerrard was banging in volleys in Germany at his age, whilst Owen was scoring hatricks.
He looks good, but this is a lot of hype.
Gerrard was 21 mainoo is 19.gerrard didnt even make his debut till he was 20 😂😂😂
At least the mid field was held together.The other players are not passing to him…have you noticed?
they dont need kane now
That point works if it wasn’t for the games we seen with our own eyes & the brackets you lot have had being easy af 8:24 😂
England need to drop him in order to at least score one goal when they crash out to holland😂
Much better set up this rather than sitting down one table. The shouting over each other has dropped considerably. Really good show guys. 👏
Your semi finals and finals are potentially the 2 teams in Irelands qualifying group (Netherlands/France) lucky group draws and everyother draw you get... ... You wouldn't be in the tournament with that group
Southgate is the guy to get back to the final and bungle it again
We have had the easiest and luckiest knockout stages in last 3 tournaments and yet we are trophyless
Thought you'd mention Bellinghams ball hogging. He needs to release the ball quicker instead of trying unnecessary Cruyff turns and stupid pirouettes like he's Iniesta.
4:20 sums up Brian
The fact that Gordon hasn’t had a proper kick is mind blowing
i don’t know why england can’t do the job in 90mins. it’s like they want to take it to extra time and penalties. switzerland were poor and we did nothing until they scored.
You hit one of the main issues in this team, players not passing the ball to other players in tight spaces. That lack of trust comes from the coach, he has emblazoned "no risk" in heir play.
3 lads and one Alibi
If England were on the other side of the bracket the players would be in Ibiza right now. Another easy route to the final.
Anybody who's watched football these past decades and says "England would have won a major tournament with a different manager" doesn't understand football. Brian should stick to boxing.
Big up you lot!!
I read somewhere that Cole Palmer is part Jamaican so that was technically an all black penalty lineup from England
If England get to the final continuing to play Sunday League football, it's like a glitch in the Matrix.... basically anything is possible.
Kane deserves the same criticism that ronaldo was getting. Kane is literally shooting sitters off target. He's slower than ronaldo by a. Country mile, his off ball movement hasn't been practically useful for anyone (judge by the results, no one is finding him) he's simply a classic number 9, in a modern man's game. Absolutely can't create anything for himself and needs to be served on a silver plate to be even considered useful. If you want to judge an over the hill ronaldo by those standards, by god Kane is a worse version of the over the hill ronaldo from usefulness. Enjoy his pressing and his long balls, if that's what you want from your 9. Slow, hard to find, and can't get the shot on target when it matters
Joey if your Talking about Sterling coming back things are Bad when we Have Gordon who Smokes Sterling what are you Smoking Joey Boi
Brian, Fabio capella had Terry, Ferdinand, Ashley Cole, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Rooney
With a team full of so much creativity do we really need a striker who drops deep to play? .. get watkins starting
Saka, mainoo and the central defence have been the only positives from this tournament. It’s just sad:(
We talk about England being too cautious. But it's been that kind of tournement. Cody Gakpo nearly became lead goalscorer in the quarter final. The guy can barely hit a barn door for Liverpool.
Ool-it-mately!
Keep Calm and Harry On.
lol the slander on Foden 😂😂😂😂
Stats + eye test does not lie though
@@Randomaccount9470 “stats + eye test” 😂, just say you don’t watch ball. it’s okay.
I would like to see Watkins and Toney paired up - no shade on Kane but we need something different given the others players we have at our disposal. Making a change like this would be an overall net positive I think and Kane can always come back in at any point.
England have been playing it safe - simple as. Seems to have done the trick.
23:49 "It was at this moment Joe realised he fucked up.."
England scammed their way through this tournament
France haven’t scored a goal from open play. At least we’ve had big moments, Jude’s bicycle kick, Saka’s outside of the box shot to get us back in the game and redemption penalty