Hi I'm so thankfull of finding this on the web, been training goju ryu for 14 years now, it has widen my spirit, strengthen my body and cleared my mind, from that experience I can tell that there is no other way to train in order to reach a good martial level. Thank god for having such a great masters to follow... by the way, karate is not intended to fight, by if you have the disgrace of doing so.. your whole body becomes the weapon...
i'm surprised Higaonna sensei can still practice in his old age with such a rough training...my elbow and shoulder joints hurt from just seeing him hit the makiwara
This is how several styles were developed in the first place. Motobu, Miyagi, Uechi, Itosu Funakoshi, Oyama...all the masters took what they learned and made it their own. Those of us like myself who are still in the learning phase aren't on that level, won't be for a while. What never changes is the basics. When we master them, then work to transcend them, then we'll understand true karate.
I really enjoyed this video. I totally agree with the difference between traditional Okinawan Karate-do as a true martial art and the so called western tournament karate as a sport. I agree that Okinawan in the old years has been the meca of Karate, I respect that and I will thank forever for that. However I disagree with comments saying that all western karate means tournament and all karate in Okinawa is true martial art. To be continued...
I was in Shaolin Kempo Karate for six months on and off, and six more months. I never qualified for white belt or yellow belt, because powerlifting was my mainstay. Sadly, I pulled a ligament during punching drills and never really did well at powerlifting or karate later on
@IEKUKATAKA Worst part is since they seen like business in north america teachers fear pushing their students , people cant even do push-ups on their knuckles here . One of the biggest issue are the competition , students are trained to score points in a most primitive and ridiculous ways instead of actually fighting .
Part 2. There have been great karate teachers from Okinawa that came to the western world and taught and keep teaching real Okinawan traditional Karate-do like my Sensei Shoei Miyazato(10th Dan), with continuation guaranteed by his son Sensei Masatoshi Miyazato (9th Dan). Surely must be some others around the world doing an awesome job teaching the real spirit martial arts in other places beyond Okinawa. To be continued....
Karate for competition Always gets so argumentive & misinterpreted. I practiced from 68-97 (bad motorcycle wreck). I gained So Much in my training. Health, friends, traveling, meeting interesting people. Trained with famous Senseis, in their dojos! I attribute my surviving the accident, to mental & physical training. However, as a Sport, it could be fun, but some people took it way to serious, thinking they could fight! I've seen guys that were great on the mat, that had never had a fight. No rules, no spacious mat, no referee, no colored belt to hide behind..... Different all together!! A good instructor can't tell u to go out & fight for experience. You train hard because you love it! You do it so much, that it becomes 'mushin'. And, hopefully, if an occasion arises, u are better off than if u had never practiced. Makiwara & bagwork IS essential!! Karate as a sport? It's the only sport I've played, that I held back!!! You don't hit a baseball easy! You don't race easy! ???
it doesnt matter what system you learn or train, if you condition your hands correctly, you should be able to tell the difference between your hands and the average persons
...he has mastered all techniques of his art, and can now mold it into a method that fits him. It's the same with education. You go to school to learn the ins and outs of a particular subject, but once you've graduated and are out in the real world, you'll realize life is unpredictable, doesn't always go by the book. So you take what you've learned and use only what helps you in life, rather than keep sticking to the books. Karate is the same, or at least we should view it as such.
"The best martial artist is the one that can win by avoiding a conflict through silver tonge. If the speaking can not resolve conflict you run. If running is not a option, you defend, not fight. You only perform what is necessary to walk away, you shall NOT punish. If one decides to punish, he is no longer a karateka, he is a creature as displicable as the attacker." "One who trains to destory can not understand peace, it is in nature to only destroy. This is a man no longer, just savage"
Part 4. Okinawa and rest of Japan is not the same. They became very "Americanized" after WWII until these days, so I really doubt that new generations (young peple and kids) are different than western young people and kids. For this reason, I think that there are a lot of tournaments and karate as sport in Japan as well. My respect to all of you. Regards from Argentina
@finnurth Mate I Agree... I started around 5 months ago (in my mid 40's) and have now passed the 1st grading - yes it was tough going, but it's like anything if you set your mind to it... it can be achieved. Was really unfit at the start - but now that's changing real quick. Arigato gozaimashita (Thankyou very much)
Parte 3. I believe that western people, if they want, can be an excellent traditional martial artist, with the right guidance. It is not necessary to be Japanese to do it. I also believe that tournament karate is a sport only, and a way to make money and incentivate many young people to practice something that, if done in the traditional way they wouldn´t enter in a dojo at all. Traditional Karate-do is not for everybody. In the same way I believe that Okinawa and rest of Japan. To be continued
@finnurth I started my Goju Ryu training almost 13 years ago when I was 5. I'm still running strong and even teaching youth classes in my Sensei's dojo. I was lucky enough to start learning before the the decline of Traditional Art demand for the rise of Sport Combat demand.
I believe we are both saying the same thing, sir. There comes a point in training where you must take the thing you've learned and use what suits you best. But I believe the problem is when a beginner or non-practitioner of karate looks at one like Higaonna and such, doing things differently than how they've been taught, they count it as error. They fail to consider that the phase of training they are in is not on the same level as his...
My most sincere greeting to the Goju-ryu Karate practitioners, I have a question, the makiwara isn't risky to the health? One of my fears is that the impact receiving body for the practice is harmful to the bones of the hands, but even the vibration is worn on the body and tissues of internal organs, please give a answer to my question, arigato gozaimasu
Thanks for explaining, I really appreciate it. Just to clarify, the organization and style I'm in is not Western and we do not do competition of any kind, and never have. We train in the same manner you described as primal, though you may not consider it karate because it is Japanese in culture and not Okinawan, which is fine Each person must follow their convictions fully, otherwise they would not be doing their chosen path any justice. Thanks again for the insight you've given.
@njtr I'm not sure that he is prioritizing longtime safety, but he has been doing this all his life and his body can definitely handle the stress given his training history and conditioning which is nothing short of remarkable. He is already past 70 years old so I am not sure what you mean but "old age" but he is to the best of my knowledge not experiencing any problems related to the makiwara training.
I broke ours at the dojo when I was 11, my sensi in NY couldn't believe it. Hell it was old it was bound to break, just so happen that I was on it for a 15 minute session. He punished me by putting me in a horse stance for 20 minutes, I had the strongest legs in the class after that, lol
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MMA is definetely not street fight ..Strength of the mind is more important...i laugh when a fighter lies on his back and waits for the other fighter to fall on him....Any Type of competition keeps gets ur mind to do something...but Street fight happens suddenely once u fall on the ground u have to get up as early as possible or ..they will smash ur face with a boulder......Grow as a person first and then think about street fight or fighting with others..
@WarriorBoy well is not MY theory, I was just explaining what they said in the video about the old karate teachers believing that the 3rd and 4th knuckles were linked to the heart, and I was also just explaining "ram" fist is first two knuckles cuz that guy before me asked. specifically to the turning front punch you do use the first two nuckles, but like you said there are tons of other punches,
@narancs85 It says, "Many old Karate teachers believed that striking with the third and fourth knuckles was dangerous, as Chinese medical documents are linked between this area and the heart." Basically they thought that it would be dangerous for you inwardly if you struck with these knuckles.
@Royajin khem khem. Although without gloves boxing stance should be adjusted ( hands further away from the body) it should not be entirely changed as you proposed. Keeping one hand on the body level won't do much good to a boxer. After all boxing bigger strength is superior footwork - being light on your feet and striking with each movement - which makes it one of the most effective defenses in MA
@jurgenbono: Yes, there are many theories and intricacies of these arts, but sometimes the challenge is separating the fact from fiction and the myth from what's applicable in the real world.
I train here in Okinawa and did Goju Ryu for a bit (do Seidokan now), but the founder of Seidokan (Hanshi Shian Toma), who passed away this year, refused to teach it. I asked my sensei (Hanshi Toma's student) why they didn't do sanchin, and he told me that Sensei Toma had too many friends die from brain embolisms from doing that kata. I personally like it, but I'm guessing it's one you have to watch out for with age.
@castellamare87 Karate is a life long commitment, it is absolutely not too late to start training Goju ryu at the age of 23, actually, it is not too late at any age!
I could not help but notice the picture of old time practitioners that some had on the sash from kung fu. Did early practitioners of Gojun Ryu wear chinese uniforms or a variation?
Are you, really , as a 21 year old commenting on what this instructor is doing correctly or incorrectly. If you read his book, you would know why he does his Sanchin opening different. The three recognized successors of Miyagi: Yagi, Miyazato, and Miyagi all do it slightly different. His way of doing things is contextually correct. He was acknowledged officially as the 3rd Soke of Goju Ryu by the remaining lineage holders of Miyagi: Anichi and Aragaki. His way IS the correct way.
no, i'm not a 10th dan, i just say that there are some things he does (some monor things) like the sanchin openings that are done wrong for the "normal"standards, that's it :)
Original okinawan masters of "Karate" was perfectly aware of the chinese influence and they even tryied to track down the original chinese styles from wich some every single kata came!! It was later Japanese propaganda that tried to erase the chinese influences!!
@WarriorBoy Oh yeah, I never thought you were attacking me, maybe just misunderstanding or I didn't explain my self well, I don't know about two knuckles being connected to chi either, or 3 last knuckles connected to the heart, I just tried to help that guy that asked about what the video said, I think that Martial Arts and their theories and techniques are very interesting.
I get what your point, and it's a good one. But the same could be said about Okinawan karate in that it came, in part, from China. Okinawans took what they learned from gungfu and and added to their native art to make a new method. It was even called Chinese hand. So one could ask, who does karate really belong to? I do feel it was a shame Japan would not accept the Chinese influence at that time, all cultures have value...
Con respeto te lo digo, estás equivocado. Nosotros (En Karate Tradicional), practicamos para desarrollar el Ki (Tú lo llamas Chi), es lo mismo. Porqué te lo digo? Yo practiqué Wado Ryu Tradicional muchos años, también Boxeo Amateur. Si Un Boxeador incluso Profesional, golpea Un Makiwara con esta fuerza, casi te garantizo que se fractura la mano o la muñeca, en el mejor de los casos. Ellos si practican sólo La Energía Externa, Saludos.
...So if changing it voids it as karate, how do you feel about certain Okinawan karateka creating their own versions of karate? Pat McCarthy, for example, has blended Gekisai Dai Ichi & Ni into one form kata in his school. For sure some Goju karateka would see that as sacrilege and disrespectful, which I can understand. But would that not, in your opinion, be a case of voiding out Goju's tried and true syllabus? I'm not JKA, so I'll take your word for it. Define "primal" for me, please?
I STARTED NOT TO LIKE GOIN TO THE TOURNAMENT AFTER I SAW ALL THOSE BULL CRAP FROM WKF.......IM STILL TRAINING KARATE IM A YODAN IN SHOTOKAN KARATE-DO.....I USEED TO TRAIN TO PROTECT MYSELF UNTIL NOW I STARTED TO LOVE THE ART OF KARATE I WANT TO KEEP TRAINING TIL THE LAST BREATH.....I WOULD LOVE TO TRAIN WITH THE BEST MASTERS FROM OKINAWA AND TO LEARN MORE ART OF KARATE......... OSS TO ALL THE MASTERS FROM OKINAWA AND TO THE LEGENDS FROM GOJU- RYU TO SHITO-RYU AND TO SHOTOKAN!!!
Point Tournaments are not a western invention. Karate lost it´s essence in my opinion, when it was absorved by japan, from Okinawa. It got Japanized and became part of the Budo tradition, even assimilating the uniform and grading system from Judo. Point tournaments have nothing to do with Karate in my opinion. They offer a non-realistic fight that promotes non safe stances and techniques for a real fight. Its true, that developes speed and timing, but that you can develop also in other ways.
@jurgenbono: Right, I was never attacking you, but what you had said about that theory just contradicts what I know/what I've been taught. I personally don't believe that the two-knuckle fist has any relation to Chi or anything like that, but there's lots of conflicting ideas so I'm not saying I'm right.
@44excalibur I am a Point Fighter I also fight Koshiki, I've also fought bareknuckled in the street I've fought with Garden Gloves on in Public. Point is Point Sparring hones your techinique and Power so you can end fights quickly like a duel.Point Fighting allows Groin shots and 100% Power to body 50% to Head. When the fight begins Knockouts happen in inder 15seconds. Watch JKA or The TorontoKoshiki Vids. If you can knock someone out in 10secs or less a streetfight is a walk in the Park.
Fully aware of that, thanks. And thank God it didn't work, and that people all over the world are aware of karate's roots, no matter what those in the past have tried to do. Hopefully such issues will truly be a thing of the past. Sadly, however, politics still plays an ugly role in karate. We learn the past so that we don't make the same mistakes, wouldn't you say?
@narancs85 Old Karate teachers believed that The last two knuckles are linked to the heart, that is the knuckles from the pinky (smallest finger) and the ring finger... you must strike with the Index and Middle finger knuckles.
goju ryu and shotakan talk a lot about their Chinese roots. even kyokushin guys have a lot of respect for kung fu. like come on guy shorinjiryu karate means way of the shoalin fist.
@@harunosakura8007 As someone who trains Kung Fu, I am amazed at how humble and respectful Karate people are towards the Chinese roots of their art, and embarrassed when I see Karate and other Japanese martial arts being portrayed by Chinese media as evil just because of political reasons despite that fact. Of course I know how horrible the Second Sino Japanese War was and have heard sad stories of atrocities that were committed on both sides, but that has nothing to do with the here and now, which is the place to which martial arts bring you. Today there is no war, but an age of information unparallelled in history. I respect all martial arts and so does my Kung Fu teacher. He likes friendly sparring and exchanging knowledge with Jujutsuka, Karateka and other martial artists. He is a gentleman from Shanxi, China, and was a classmate of Yuan Wen Qing.
do you know hot to speak without insulting people? morio higaonna has his own way to do morote chudan uke at the start of sanchin, that, regarding what i've been told (goju ryu, jundokan lineage) is wrong, that's it.
@billymac101 In an untrained persons eyes this looks dangerous. 99.99999% Of people will not reach this level of performance. But is this healthy? I look at 50-60 years old people who train in Dojos of IOGKF and all of them look much healthier than the common guy... So is this healthy? I think it is much more than healthy. Of course each individual should know his body limits...Again most people will not even get near this level of performance.
Why oh why can't we ever get past politics in martial arts? Karate is not like judo, where techniques are exactly yhe same in every dojo. Karate eventually makes room for individuality, people. When you get to a level like this, you are able to make the karate your own.
@jurgenbono: I have personally never heard of this. As far as I have known, the "turn over", or two-knuckle fist that most Chinese-derived arts use (i.e. TKD, Karate, etc) is a remnant of Shaolin external methods of using arm rotation to create power. Your theory about Chinese medicine is also flawed, as you said the pinky and ring finger were linked to the heart, however all Taoist internal arts use a vertical, non-turned fist and were created with Chinese medicinal concepts in mind.
@44excalibur Problem with todays armchair fighters is they believe MMA is a Art it is NOT.MMA allows fighters who are Jacks of ALL Trades but Masters of None to show how rolling on the ground with a guy for 10mins means you're a capable streetfighter WRONG! What if a second assailent jumps in? 2 MMA guys from Human Weapon got their asses handed to them by Kravmaga Cops it's on youtube. Frank Shamrock got his arm broken by Cung Lee. Kenpo stylist Keith Hackney destroyed a 6'8 600lb Sumo in UFC.
In fact you are not able to distinguish styles in point tournaments, as they all use the same 4 techniques. Many okinawan masters show their dissagreement with sports Karate, as you can see for exampe in Eichi Miyazato´s book : Okinawa Den, Or in Okinawan Karate, with interviews with most of the faous masters. ALthough this is just my opinion and I dont judge anyone. I just think maybe it should be named differently. As Judo, its a sport, but comes from jiu Jitsu. Different names, differentthing
This man's strikes are devastating. I just wonder whether its healthy to hit that hard makiware. Its got no give to it at all. That's got to cause problems in old age. A makiware with some give seems to be much safer. That's what I use. If I hit a tree, or something like that, I hit it easy. This man is killing that thing. I certainly wouldn't want to get hit by him, but is it safe? If anyone can shed light on this for me, I'd appreciate it. Osu.
@44excalibur Dude Lyoto machida is a point Fighter he has fights on TH-cam. So your comment that "Point Sparring" has watered down Karate conflicts your Praise of Lyoto Machida.Point Sparring is like a gun Fight or Fencineg You're looking for one Shot Killz.Your Comment about Point Sparring watering Karate down is like saying Fencing watered down swordsmanship. All over youtube there are vids of Karateka in streetfights ringfights tournament Pride UFC Knocking Peopleout Breaking Bones etc.
@44excalibur Time and Time again a "Master" of Karate with a legit Blackbelt has WON in Many fight scenarios here on youtube. Chck Liddel ,GSP, Andy hug Machida are BL:ACKBELTS in Karate. There is a clip karateKid where a kid knocks out a "Streetfighter" here on TH-cam and thats my point IF IT WORKS ON THE STREET wher EZERO RULES or REFS are there. Then IT WORKS. Fighting in a Cage ain't like fighting for your life. and even in the cage groinshots aren't allowed(they are in point fighiting)
why don't you compete in real all-japan JKA kumite where both face and torso can be kick and punch including legs. no gloves. If none are being knockout and win by points that is also the way of western boxing. There is a rule in karate-I think JKA- that a participant should refrain from using unnecessary or excessive force. Any one who will do that will be DQd. You see safety is paramount. The participants, although they kick and punch resulting in injury, they should not use violent force against each other. Much more only close fist is used no extended knuckles or finger strikes. many japanese karate practitioners have the ability strike their fingers with the effect of a blunt instrument, like a dowel, against a human body. Its just a sport fight not a street fight.
i'm sorry man bit walchafe7 got the point. don't misundertand me, i deeply respect higaonna sensei and his work, but some of the things he does are not correct at all, and version of history is a bit distorted. however, he is a great teacher and and has great technique, power and knoledge. just my two cents :)
@IEKUKATAKA Okinawa did not do it right at all. What good is something if it takes you fifty years to master? Thats like paying for a car and never getting to drive it. "Westerners" among others took a few of your ideas and expounded on them and streamlined them. If you want to practice this old stuff for health or something go ahead and stand in a horse stance for a few decades. If you want to learn to take care of yourself, skip all this "karate" crap and learn something useful.
Hi I'm so thankfull of finding this on the web, been training goju ryu for 14 years now, it has widen my spirit, strengthen my body and cleared my mind, from that experience I can tell that there is no other way to train in order to reach a good martial level. Thank god for having such a great masters to follow... by the way, karate is not intended to fight, by if you have the disgrace of doing so.. your whole body becomes the weapon...
I've sparred a Goju Ryu black belt in Kickboxing and their pain threshold and conditioning is awesome
A man could spend his entire life punching a makiwara and his grave would say "he lived a good life"
Severely underrated comment. 😂😂😂 I nearly spat out my food!!
i'm surprised Higaonna sensei can still practice in his old age with such a rough training...my elbow and shoulder joints hurt from just seeing him hit the makiwara
This is dooe i hadn't see these styles of training in about 40 year's thanks now i will get back on my training.tjanks great video
This is awesome. I would totally drop kick boxing and train karate TODAY if there was a karate school that trained like this were i live!
But make sure it is Goju-Ryu
This is how several styles were developed in the first place. Motobu, Miyagi, Uechi, Itosu Funakoshi, Oyama...all the masters took what they learned and made it their own. Those of us like myself who are still in the learning phase aren't on that level, won't be for a while. What never changes is the basics. When we master them, then work to transcend them, then we'll understand true karate.
I really enjoyed this video. I totally agree with the difference between traditional Okinawan Karate-do as a true martial art and the so called western tournament karate as a sport. I agree that Okinawan in the old years has been the meca of Karate, I respect that and I will thank forever for that. However I disagree with comments saying that all western karate means tournament and all karate in Okinawa is true martial art. To be continued...
I was in Shaolin Kempo Karate for six months on and off, and six more months. I never qualified for white belt or yellow belt, because powerlifting was my mainstay. Sadly, I pulled a ligament during punching drills and never really did well at powerlifting or karate later on
@IEKUKATAKA Worst part is since they seen like business in north america teachers fear pushing their students , people cant even do push-ups on their knuckles here . One of the biggest issue are the competition , students are trained to score points in a most primitive and ridiculous ways instead of actually fighting .
Part 2. There have been great karate teachers from Okinawa that came to the western world and taught and keep teaching real Okinawan traditional Karate-do like my Sensei Shoei Miyazato(10th Dan), with continuation guaranteed by his son Sensei Masatoshi Miyazato (9th Dan). Surely must be some others around the world doing an awesome job teaching the real spirit martial arts in other places beyond Okinawa. To be continued....
Karate for competition Always gets so argumentive & misinterpreted. I practiced from 68-97 (bad motorcycle wreck). I gained So Much in my training. Health, friends, traveling, meeting interesting people. Trained with famous Senseis, in their dojos! I attribute my surviving the accident, to mental & physical training. However, as a Sport, it could be fun, but some people took it way to serious, thinking they could fight!
I've seen guys that were great on the mat, that had never had a fight. No rules, no spacious mat, no referee, no colored belt to hide behind..... Different all together!! A good instructor can't tell u to go out & fight for experience. You train hard because you love it! You do it so much, that it becomes 'mushin'. And, hopefully, if an occasion arises, u are better off than if u had never practiced. Makiwara & bagwork IS essential!! Karate as a sport? It's the only sport I've played, that I held back!!! You don't hit a baseball easy! You don't race easy! ???
master hide the true power ..really humble person. respect
it doesnt matter what system you learn or train, if you condition your hands correctly, you should be able to tell the difference between your hands and the average persons
...he has mastered all techniques of his art, and can now mold it into a method that fits him. It's the same with education. You go to school to learn the ins and outs of a particular subject, but once you've graduated and are out in the real world, you'll realize life is unpredictable, doesn't always go by the book. So you take what you've learned and use only what helps you in life, rather than keep sticking to the books. Karate is the same, or at least we should view it as such.
"The best martial artist is the one that can win by avoiding a conflict through silver tonge. If the speaking can not resolve conflict you run. If running is not a option, you defend, not fight. You only perform what is necessary to walk away, you shall NOT punish. If one decides to punish, he is no longer a karateka, he is a creature as displicable as the attacker."
"One who trains to destory can not understand peace, it is in nature to only destroy. This is a man no longer, just savage"
Very well said! 🙏
A good fist is one that trains , a bad fist is one that fights.
I find the older techniques /videos are the Best! Cool Video
Part 4. Okinawa and rest of Japan is not the same. They became very "Americanized" after WWII until these days, so I really doubt that new generations (young peple and kids) are different than western young people and kids. For this reason, I think that there are a lot of tournaments and karate as sport in Japan as well. My respect to all of you. Regards from Argentina
@finnurth Mate I Agree... I started around 5 months ago (in my mid 40's) and have now passed the 1st grading - yes it was tough going, but it's like anything if you set your mind to it... it can be achieved. Was really unfit at the start - but now that's changing real quick. Arigato gozaimashita (Thankyou very much)
Very early power striking by sensei
This was 1950-60 Training
Complete concentration
Focus and Meditation
Parte 3. I believe that western people, if they want, can be an excellent traditional martial artist, with the right guidance. It is not necessary to be Japanese to do it. I also believe that tournament karate is a sport only, and a way to make money and incentivate many young people to practice something that, if done in the traditional way they wouldn´t enter in a dojo at all. Traditional Karate-do is not for everybody. In the same way I believe that Okinawa and rest of Japan. To be continued
American Karate could learn a lot from this
@finnurth I started my Goju Ryu training almost 13 years ago when I was 5. I'm still running strong and even teaching youth classes in my Sensei's dojo. I was lucky enough to start learning before the the decline of Traditional Art demand for the rise of Sport Combat demand.
I believe we are both saying the same thing, sir. There comes a point in training where you must take the thing you've learned and use what suits you best. But I believe the problem is when a beginner or non-practitioner of karate looks at one like Higaonna and such, doing things differently than how they've been taught, they count it as error. They fail to consider that the phase of training they are in is not on the same level as his...
It is Cool to see the Chinese/Japanese conection in training.
Same root differant fruit!
My most sincere greeting to the Goju-ryu Karate practitioners, I have a question, the makiwara isn't risky to the health? One of my fears is that the impact receiving body for the practice is harmful to the bones of the hands, but even the vibration is worn on the body and tissues of internal organs, please give a answer to my question, arigato gozaimasu
Thanks for explaining, I really appreciate it. Just to clarify, the organization and style I'm in is not Western and we do not do competition of any kind, and never have. We train in the same manner you described as primal, though you may not consider it karate because it is Japanese in culture and not Okinawan, which is fine Each person must follow their convictions fully, otherwise they would not be doing their chosen path any justice. Thanks again for the insight you've given.
@njtr I'm not sure that he is prioritizing longtime safety, but he has been doing this all his life and his body can definitely handle the stress given his training history and conditioning which is nothing short of remarkable. He is already past 70 years old so I am not sure what you mean but "old age" but he is to the best of my knowledge not experiencing any problems related to the makiwara training.
This practice must be taken seriously, if not, you WILL break something; that's a guarantee.
+Caine7ify Agreed .
Ossu
I broke ours at the dojo when I was 11, my sensi in NY couldn't believe it. Hell it was old it was bound to break, just so happen that I was on it for a 15 minute session. He punished me by putting me in a horse stance for 20 minutes, I had the strongest legs in the class after that, lol
@IEKUKATAKA
i see you possess a great knowledge in karate, i really appreciate it
Аналогов такой набивки я на ютубе больше не видел. Просто сверхчеловеческие возможности, супер!
I would hate to be on the receiving end of his punches, this master can punch through someone's skull
I wish there was a clip like this on Isshin Ryu.
Oosh sir 💥💪🏾
Danke für das Reinstellen... Ab den 80 ziger Jahren des letzten Jahrhunderts gibt es Untersuchungen,die besagen,daß Makiwaratraining in dieser Intensität wie im Film gezeigt zu Organlockerung führt..also keinesfalls gesund ist, :) Herzliche Grüße ..und alles Gute
MMA is definetely not street fight ..Strength of the mind is more important...i laugh when a fighter lies on his back and waits for the other fighter to fall on him....Any Type of competition keeps gets ur mind to do something...but Street fight happens suddenely once u fall on the ground u have to get up as early as possible or ..they will smash ur face with a boulder......Grow as a person first and then think about street fight or fighting with others..
If you train like this guy, you are going to beat a lot of people, that guy has a power lol
White crane, not wing chung- as well as monk fist boxing
@@LaoZi2023 goju
Sensei Morio is so young here.
Sensei Morio at his prime👍
@WarriorBoy well is not MY theory, I was just explaining what they said in the video about the old karate teachers believing that the 3rd and 4th knuckles were linked to the heart, and I was also just explaining "ram" fist is first two knuckles cuz that guy before me asked. specifically to the turning front punch you do use the first two nuckles, but like you said there are tons of other punches,
@Royajin i think that the low guard, and stands of traditional martial arts like karate and wushu make more dificult the proyenctions and trowing
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Sensei Morio Higaonna is the sensei of my sensei
Mine too.
@narancs85 It says, "Many old Karate teachers believed that striking with the third and fourth knuckles was dangerous, as Chinese medical documents are linked between this area and the heart." Basically they thought that it would be dangerous for you inwardly if you struck with these knuckles.
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now this is the type of traning that is hard to find in the states
@Royajin khem khem. Although without gloves boxing stance should be adjusted ( hands further away from the body) it should not be entirely changed as you proposed. Keeping one hand on the body level won't do much good to a boxer. After all boxing bigger strength is superior footwork - being light on your feet and striking with each movement - which makes it one of the most effective defenses in MA
@jurgenbono: Yes, there are many theories and intricacies of these arts, but sometimes the challenge is separating the fact from fiction and the myth from what's applicable in the real world.
I train here in Okinawa and did Goju Ryu for a bit (do Seidokan now), but the founder of Seidokan (Hanshi Shian Toma), who passed away this year, refused to teach it. I asked my sensei (Hanshi Toma's student) why they didn't do sanchin, and he told me that Sensei Toma had too many friends die from brain embolisms from doing that kata. I personally like it, but I'm guessing it's one you have to watch out for with age.
Brain embolism for doing a kata? How is so??
Massive amounts of tension and hard breathing raise blood pressure considerably.
Then they were doing it wrong.
@@claudes.whitacre1241 because it is not correct. For correcr sanshin you gave to visit china
@castellamare87 Karate is a life long commitment, it is absolutely not too late to start training Goju ryu at the age of 23, actually, it is not too late at any age!
Show of the makki wara down show
origionally karate was called chinese fist, but they adopted it to karate japanese for empty hand when the japanese invaded
I could not help but notice the picture of old time practitioners that some had on the sash from kung fu. Did early practitioners of Gojun Ryu wear chinese uniforms or a variation?
Are you, really , as a 21 year old commenting on what this instructor is doing correctly or incorrectly.
If you read his book, you would know why he does his Sanchin opening different. The three recognized successors of Miyagi: Yagi, Miyazato, and Miyagi all do it slightly different. His way of doing things is contextually correct.
He was acknowledged officially as the 3rd Soke of Goju Ryu by the remaining lineage holders of Miyagi: Anichi and Aragaki. His way IS the correct way.
no, i'm not a 10th dan, i just say that there are some things he does (some monor things) like the sanchin openings that are done wrong for the "normal"standards, that's it :)
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Original okinawan masters of "Karate" was perfectly aware of the chinese influence and they even tryied to track down the original chinese styles from wich some every single kata came!!
It was later Japanese propaganda that tried to erase the chinese influences!!
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@WarriorBoy Oh yeah, I never thought you were attacking me, maybe just misunderstanding or I didn't explain my self well, I don't know about two knuckles being connected to chi either, or 3 last knuckles connected to the heart, I just tried to help that guy that asked about what the video said, I think that Martial Arts and their theories and techniques are very interesting.
Thats cool.
I get what your point, and it's a good one. But the same could be said about Okinawan karate in that it came, in part, from China. Okinawans took what they learned from gungfu and and added to their native art to make a new method. It was even called Chinese hand. So one could ask, who does karate really belong to? I do feel it was a shame Japan would not accept the Chinese influence at that time, all cultures have value...
these practical the outer energy..if combine with inner spiritual chi the wood instantly break
Con respeto te lo digo, estás equivocado. Nosotros (En Karate Tradicional), practicamos para desarrollar el Ki (Tú lo llamas Chi), es lo mismo.
Porqué te lo digo? Yo practiqué Wado Ryu Tradicional muchos años, también Boxeo Amateur. Si Un Boxeador incluso Profesional, golpea Un Makiwara con esta fuerza, casi te garantizo que se fractura la mano o la muñeca, en el mejor de los casos. Ellos si practican sólo La Energía Externa, Saludos.
What would be the rules of such a contest? When you say "be a match for almost anyone." ?
...So if changing it voids it as karate, how do you feel about certain Okinawan karateka creating their own versions of karate? Pat McCarthy, for example, has blended Gekisai Dai Ichi & Ni into one form kata in his school. For sure some Goju karateka would see that as sacrilege and disrespectful, which I can understand. But would that not, in your opinion, be a case of voiding out Goju's tried and true syllabus?
I'm not JKA, so I'll take your word for it. Define "primal" for me, please?
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I STARTED NOT TO LIKE GOIN TO THE TOURNAMENT AFTER I SAW ALL THOSE BULL CRAP FROM WKF.......IM STILL TRAINING KARATE IM A YODAN IN SHOTOKAN KARATE-DO.....I USEED TO TRAIN TO PROTECT MYSELF UNTIL NOW I STARTED TO LOVE THE ART OF KARATE I WANT TO KEEP TRAINING TIL THE LAST BREATH.....I WOULD LOVE TO TRAIN WITH THE BEST MASTERS FROM OKINAWA AND TO LEARN MORE ART OF KARATE......... OSS TO ALL THE MASTERS FROM OKINAWA AND TO THE LEGENDS FROM GOJU- RYU TO SHITO-RYU AND TO SHOTOKAN!!!
Point Tournaments are not a western invention. Karate lost it´s essence in my opinion, when it was absorved by japan, from Okinawa. It got Japanized and became part of the Budo tradition, even assimilating the uniform and grading system from Judo. Point tournaments have nothing to do with Karate in my opinion. They offer a non-realistic fight that promotes non safe stances and techniques for a real fight. Its true, that developes speed and timing, but that you can develop also in other ways.
@jurgenbono: Right, I was never attacking you, but what you had said about that theory just contradicts what I know/what I've been taught. I personally don't believe that the two-knuckle fist has any relation to Chi or anything like that, but there's lots of conflicting ideas so I'm not saying I'm right.
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@44excalibur I am a Point Fighter I also fight Koshiki, I've also fought bareknuckled in the street I've fought with Garden Gloves on in Public. Point is Point Sparring hones your techinique and Power so you can end fights quickly like a duel.Point Fighting allows Groin shots and 100% Power to body 50% to Head. When the fight begins Knockouts happen in inder 15seconds. Watch JKA or The TorontoKoshiki Vids. If you can knock someone out in 10secs or less a streetfight is a walk in the Park.
why karate dont have a guard for the face like western boxing?
Why?????
Fully aware of that, thanks. And thank God it didn't work, and that people all over the world are aware of karate's roots, no matter what those in the past have tried to do. Hopefully such issues will truly be a thing of the past. Sadly, however, politics still plays an ugly role in karate. We learn the past so that we don't make the same mistakes, wouldn't you say?
@narancs85 Old Karate teachers believed that The last two knuckles are linked to the heart, that is the knuckles from the pinky (smallest finger) and the ring finger... you must strike with the Index and Middle finger knuckles.
Karate exists thanks to the kung fu the majority of karate users despise :)
I supose it must be bitter sweet, to despise an art that originated yours
goju ryu and shotakan talk a lot about their Chinese roots. even kyokushin guys have a lot of respect for kung fu. like come on guy shorinjiryu karate means way of the shoalin fist.
Fuck off !!! Chinese people despise Karate all the time evrey single Chinese movie has Japanese karatekas show as evil people .
Because they japanese "karatekas" and held contest in kill chinese instead. Also there is meny no chinese kong fu, why you accuse?!?
I can promise you people had fistfights before kung fu was a thing....
@@harunosakura8007 As someone who trains Kung Fu, I am amazed at how humble and respectful Karate people are towards the Chinese roots of their art, and embarrassed when I see Karate and other Japanese martial arts being portrayed by Chinese media as evil just because of political reasons despite that fact. Of course I know how horrible the Second Sino Japanese War was and have heard sad stories of atrocities that were committed on both sides, but that has nothing to do with the here and now, which is the place to which martial arts bring you. Today there is no war, but an age of information unparallelled in history.
I respect all martial arts and so does my Kung Fu teacher. He likes friendly sparring and exchanging knowledge with Jujutsuka, Karateka and other martial artists. He is a gentleman from Shanxi, China, and was a classmate of Yuan Wen Qing.
@globalgaucho
it has
do you know some video showing a young Higaonna? I can't find it
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it would have been really interesting see him dealing with mma fighters like khabib, conor , we can only guess!!
Khabib would destroy him however he may put up a decent fight against Connor.
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do you know hot to speak without insulting people? morio higaonna has his own way to do morote chudan uke at the start of sanchin, that, regarding what i've been told (goju ryu, jundokan lineage) is wrong, that's it.
I was taught to keep my heals down for more power out of the punch...
you were thought by a good sensei
I've never heard of anyone punching this way.
@billymac101
In an untrained persons eyes this looks dangerous. 99.99999% Of people will not reach this level of performance. But is this healthy? I look at 50-60 years old people who train in Dojos of IOGKF and all of them look much healthier than the common guy... So is this healthy? I think it is much more than healthy. Of course each individual should know his body limits...Again most people will not even get near this level of performance.
Why oh why can't we ever get past politics in martial arts? Karate is not like judo, where techniques are exactly yhe same in every dojo. Karate eventually makes room for individuality, people. When you get to a level like this, you are able to make the karate your own.
@jurgenbono: I have personally never heard of this. As far as I have known, the "turn over", or two-knuckle fist that most Chinese-derived arts use (i.e. TKD, Karate, etc) is a remnant of Shaolin external methods of using arm rotation to create power.
Your theory about Chinese medicine is also flawed, as you said the pinky and ring finger were linked to the heart, however all Taoist internal arts use a vertical, non-turned fist and were created with Chinese medicinal concepts in mind.
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@44excalibur Problem with todays armchair fighters is they believe MMA is a Art it is NOT.MMA allows fighters who are Jacks of ALL Trades but Masters of None to show how rolling on the ground with a guy for 10mins means you're a capable streetfighter WRONG! What if a second assailent jumps in? 2 MMA guys from Human Weapon got their asses handed to them by Kravmaga Cops it's on youtube. Frank Shamrock got his arm broken by Cung Lee. Kenpo stylist Keith Hackney destroyed a 6'8 600lb Sumo in UFC.
can this be good for you as you age?
Awesome sensei, but the answer to the question is obvious to anyone over 60
In fact you are not able to distinguish styles in point tournaments, as they all use the same 4 techniques. Many okinawan masters show their dissagreement with sports Karate, as you can see for exampe in Eichi Miyazato´s book : Okinawa Den, Or in Okinawan Karate, with interviews with most of the faous masters. ALthough this is just my opinion and I dont judge anyone. I just think maybe it should be named differently. As Judo, its a sport, but comes from jiu Jitsu. Different names, differentthing
@52canada Hahaha canada does everything better ? maybe in fantasy world , only thing you are good at are going to pubs and casinos .
oyama is the best
This man's strikes are devastating. I just wonder whether its healthy to hit that hard makiware. Its got no give to it at all. That's got to cause problems in old age. A makiware with some give seems to be much safer. That's what I use. If I hit a tree, or something like that, I hit it easy. This man is killing that thing. I certainly wouldn't want to get hit by him, but is it safe? If anyone can shed light on this for me, I'd appreciate it. Osu.
@44excalibur Dude Lyoto machida is a point Fighter he has fights on TH-cam. So your comment that "Point Sparring" has watered down Karate conflicts your Praise of Lyoto Machida.Point Sparring is like a gun Fight or Fencineg You're looking for one Shot Killz.Your Comment about Point Sparring watering Karate down is like saying Fencing watered down swordsmanship. All over youtube there are vids of Karateka in streetfights ringfights tournament Pride UFC Knocking Peopleout Breaking Bones etc.
@44excalibur Time and Time again a "Master" of Karate with a legit Blackbelt has WON in Many fight scenarios here on youtube. Chck Liddel ,GSP, Andy hug Machida are BL:ACKBELTS in Karate. There is a clip karateKid where a kid knocks out a "Streetfighter" here on TH-cam and thats my point IF IT WORKS ON THE STREET wher EZERO RULES or REFS are there. Then IT WORKS. Fighting in a Cage ain't like fighting for your life. and even in the cage groinshots aren't allowed(they are in point fighiting)
why don't you compete in real all-japan JKA kumite where both face and torso can be kick and punch including legs. no gloves. If none are being knockout and win by points that is also the way of western boxing. There is a rule in karate-I think JKA- that a participant should refrain from using unnecessary or excessive force. Any one who will do that will be DQd. You see safety is paramount. The participants, although they kick and punch resulting in injury, they should not use violent force against each other. Much more only close fist is used no extended knuckles or finger strikes. many japanese karate practitioners have the ability strike their fingers with the effect of a blunt instrument, like a dowel, against a human body. Its just a sport fight not a street fight.
i'm sorry man bit walchafe7 got the point.
don't misundertand me, i deeply respect higaonna sensei and his work, but some of the things he does are not correct at all, and version of history is a bit distorted. however, he is a great teacher and and has great technique, power and knoledge.
just my two cents :)
the one inch punch use the last knuckles
@IEKUKATAKA ok, i just sign up at my next door neighbour okinawa karate master.....(sarcasm)
In the End - some kind of Wing Chun...
@IEKUKATAKA Okinawa did not do it right at all. What good is something if it takes you fifty years to master? Thats like paying for a car and never getting to drive it. "Westerners" among others took a few of your ideas and expounded on them and streamlined them. If you want to practice this old stuff for health or something go ahead and stand in a horse stance for a few decades. If you want to learn to take care of yourself, skip all this "karate" crap and learn something useful.