Carmine Appice: The Blue Murder Years
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- Mark Strigl sits down with legendary drummer Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge, Rod Stewart, Ozzy Osbourne) to talk about his band Blue Murder with John Sykes (Thin Lizzy, Whitesnake) and Tony Franklin (the Firm).
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Blue Murder was a terrific band.
No other band gave us a song like "Valley Of The King", not even close.
Blue Murder never got the praise it deserved. It is one of the best progressive metal albums to come out of the 80’s.
Sykes is one of the most underrated guitarists / song writers and deserves to be among the greats.
And he could sing too!
Sykes is officially done ,and retired from the music business....finished officially
@@chriswoosley1697when ? Days who ??
@@Potatodrumcrow WTH does "Days who" mean???????
Blue Murder never got the recognition they rightly deserved. Brilliant musicians and superb writers.
John Sykes; in my humble opinion is the most overlooked guitarist / singer from that era. He is the guy that could blow your head off with his technique, or bring you to tears with one note and some vibrato.
The first Blue Murder album is simply a “Masterpiece.” I rank it with Queen II, Extreme’s III sides, Kiss’ Destroyer, Eagles’s Hotel, Pink Floyd’s Brick etc I play Blue Murder and all of Sykes’ compositions yearly
Blue Murder v Grunge. No contest!! Sykes and the band should have been massive, just imagine the albums that could and should have been. What a loss. Valley of the Kings is in the top 10 of the best songs I have ever heard a true master piece. Love you Mr Sykes, heartbreaking that we might never see or here you play again.
Poor John on the verge of greatness twice ,only to be slapped in the face at the final hurdle
Yup.... it's extremely depressing...😢
1st Blue Murder was insane on all levels.
I listen to BLUE MURDER everyday .
I saw Sykes many times live...stunning performer
Proud to say I was one of the 150.000 who bought the album when it first came out and while Sykes vocals are excellent, I think had Martin (My favorite Sabbath vocalist) stayed, that would have put them over the top
Same here.
I agree 👍
I have to disagree..Tony is an amazing vocalist but Sykes vocals are just as strong and he doesn't sound like anyone but himself..Tony would have given it the Sabbath sound..just like Ray would have changed the vibe..Jon singing was perfect IMO
Except Live Tony never cut the mustard. Sykes was as good a singer as he was at everything else. Now Ray Gillen--that's another story.
They've missed Ray...that was the issue. Check it out one B-side/demo song with Ray on vocals, called "Too Late" and you will see the magic!
Proudly one of the few who bought this album when it first came out , and honored to have since interviewed and conversed with bassist Tony Franklin a few times since then..
Those 2 albums are definitely underappreciated. All the members are in top form at that moment in time.
Thank you for not saying UNDERRATED!!!!
that 2nd Album was pretty lame though,.
Carmine Appice is proof that doing what you love makes you only age in like 1/2 time. His career has so many chapters, full of ups and more ups
He was great in the Village People!! The black leather, handlebar mustache, what a look.
Blue Murder was one of the absolute top albums of the late 80s
They got ZERO backing promotion from the record company, you didn't hear this on mainstream radio, so therefore you didn't know about it unless you were heavily into the hard rock/heavy metal scene. That's a damn shame, because these guys deserved SO much more attention. They ARE a great band.
Exactly 💯 so you say fuck those guys & go to Queens label in England, BMG
John has said he thought Coverdale had the guys at Geffen torpedoed his album. Not sure David had that much clout. I just think Blue Murder were too fucking good. Same thing with Badlands.
@@jayrusnak Not saying that's the case, but Coverdale had been around for awhile at that point, so could be. If so it's damn shame, but it would also show the fear Coverdale had of competition, especially from Sykes. As you said, both bands were too good.
It makes sense. Think about it… No matter how much money and begging Coverdale has thrown in front of Sykes to lure him back into Whitesnake even if for a couple shows, he has been flatly turned down! Sykes will never forgive Corverdale for pulling the rug from under him!
I loved Blue Murder.
That 1st Blue Murder album just blew me away. I wore that C.D out.
It was an awesome record. I've bought the LP, cassette, CD multiple times. Thanks Blue Murder for a unforgettable record.
It is
2 Awesome albums, buy em.
Done already
Blue Murder and Badlands.... the 2 bands that should've been massive at the time. Thank the gods I saw both live, multiple times in the case of Badlands.
thank the GODS Sykes sang!
Glad to see Carmine has taken the credit for the 2nd Blue Murder album. I remember buying it when it first came out and quickly realizing that it was Carmine on the drum tracks. His signature style, and that china cymbal, are all over that 2nd album. From the opening fill of We All Fall Down, to the syncopated "boogie" of Love Child, Nothin' But Trouble has Carmine's drumming footprint all over it. The first album is obviously beyond reproach, but the 2nd album is really great as well. Different from the 1st, surprisingly more commercial, but still a wonderful album. Blue Murder is one of the few bands I would pay a large sum of money to see if they ever reunited.
I'm with you on everything here, except I'm pretty sure that's not Carmine on We All Fall Down.
i saw them on the first tour it was incredible.
Blue Murder were a great band.Ray Gillan god he was amazing, saw him with Badlands in 1992 we went in ( Bristol England) and they were doing a sound check they were very cool to us no one told us to leave. Jake E Lee is a lovely guy. Sadly Ray died not long after which to me was a great shock because i stood 1 foot away from his foot and he looked and sounded incredible.
I really liked both bands. I wish they toured together co headline. I'm 36 so I really didn't get all the Nirvana crap. But, to each is own.
If Ray Gillen isn't the best live singer of all time, he's certainly in the picture.
I also bought that first album and thought it was Great!!!!
Blue Murder is one of the Greatest Rock Bands Ever=
CARMINE APPICE/ Tony Franklin & John Sykes
Legends !!!!
I was at that show with Blue Murder opening for Bon Jovi in Chattanooga. Was my very first concert ever as a lil kid...it was phenomenal!!! Would love to see these guys reunite!
Seen all of lizzys guitarists live Sykes was excellent.
Amazing band
Incredible interview
I didn't know about Blue Murder until later. My friend introduced me to the first record. One of the best albums I've heard with some awesome songs!
I was into rock and metal at the time and I loved this first album and still listen to it today it’s on my iPhone for Bluetooth in the car - such a big sound and bombastic drums - I still remember catching the music video for Valley of the Kings on like Friday Night Videos - I can’t believe this didn’t sell more in America - that’s sad - this was great stuff - I just assumed it went platinum
I love Carmine's playing but I am glad Aynsley Dunbar played on the Whitesnake album. He crushed that record!!! Single kick and all!!!
Whitesnake 1987 was utterly ruined by that drummer. a rough caveman playing with two cudgels. I hate 1987 metallic cold sound and that horrible drum
@@blackimp4987agree agree agree! Whitesnake went from the two most amazing drummers(Paice then Cozy) and then all of a sudden on 87 drums are gone from the mix, sound dull and flat, and it just doesn’t groove
I still have the 1st CD.... I still play it....
Own this Amazing debut album on Cassette and Vinyl! LOVE this album!!!
It's a shame it was short lived with Carmine, the album is great. They should have been more with Carmine.
Love this LP......still listen to this!!! \m/
"...and then grunge hit." Preach it brother! I was in a pretty successful band in the late 80's through the early 90's, and we were going places. Recently signed with a big name manager, and had caught the ear of 2 mid-tier record labels (back then).... "and then grunge hit" and destroyed the hair-metal scene forever. To this day I can't stomach any of those grunge bands. /shrug
Great history, great interview. Thanks for posting.
Amazing!!!!
Superband.
Bonham spoke very highly of Carmine Appice.
So sad…they were a great band and that first album should have been a monster
Carmine "THE GREAT ME" Appice.
I loved this band. So unique. Fretless in a trio with the guy responsible for the “white snake” sound? C’mon.
a very happening band
That's not the story John Kalodner tells. He says at some point he just said, you were the guy singing on the demo forget these other guys. That first album is an absolute masterpiece and John sings his ass off on it. Bob Rock had already been polishing turds from other bands and making mediocre musicians sound good; now he had actual virtuosos to work with and he made the most of it. The 2nd was was also good, the problem was you had the first one to compare it to.
Its funny that Tony Martin followed the path of Ray Gillen twice...once at Blue Murder and another at Black Sabbath. Ray instead, record with Badlands, another terrific band. These last years of 80's were supreme for hard rock music.
I saw them open for Bon Jovi And they were incredible. Way better than Bon Jovi
Blue Moydah!
Grunge... Ain't one grunge guitar player cld step to Sykes... Not ONE......The world was just ready for change.....
Why didn’t Tony want to do it?
I’d like to know that too, pretty odd to just jump ship the DAY BEFORE you go to record an album with these guys 😂
MTV was on all the time as a teenager I remember I was about 19 snd blue murder came out and I thought oh this isn’t going to work. It was poofy millionaire rock. Like white snake bit four years later. I loved when grunge took over. Really Guns N’ Roses killed these bands. They were pre- grunge with appetite. Street n dirty.
That lead fight into grunge. Janes addiction started to kill heir metal Also.
Blue Murder rocked. Beginning of the end for thoughtful and hard, pounding rock. Let's all become mournful and full of mindless lyrics engaged more in pity, or the shitty pit that was grunge.
"And then Grunge came ...."
I didn't know Al Pacino played drums!!!
Blue Murder's image was all over the place and there were a lot of bands back then vying for our attention back then that had better images, a better "look" so to speak. Blue Murder just didn't look cool for metal. I think John got depressed and he just disappeared. Blue Murder's first album was really good, but again, they had a weird image.
The good thing about karma napisy is any ban he's in he puts his own name on the drums instead of the band's name so that way you can tell that his ego got there before he did
Yeah, Grunge killed a lot of great '80s bands. That's for sure. They were around long enough to do that, then they met with their demise as well.
......... as long as blue murder wasn't selling MORE SHIRTS than bon jovi......they were ok...hahahaa
Blue murder didn’t do well because
we have better ….we have the Disney corporate kids that want to be singer artists ..and whom has the strength to defeat what Disney wants
It’s a rigged game ..at least in Japan they know what a good rock band , good music is..
Sykes was destroyed by this
Well regardless of the lack of album sales, that's just piss poor marketing on the labels part, you shake it off get the fuck up, do a few lines or whatever, then go take your talents to another record label like BMG ?
I bought it as soon as it dropped, lifelong fan. Grunge sucks. That is all.
Such a shame
Nice ‘Bob’ hair do. 🤦♀️
King Cobra 🐍 was Awful. Carmine Appice has a right to have a big ego. Vanilla Fudge,Beck Bogart, Appice,Rod Stewart, The Ozzy Osbourne Band for about four maybe Five months. I don't listen Cactus 🌵 at all. Carmine could be the best overall sitting drummer as we speak. 1.John Bonham 2.Neil Peart 3. Keith Moon 4. Mitch Mitchell 5. Cozy Powell. All these guys are dead so, I'd say it's safe to say Mob Boss Gangster Carmine Appice with Underboss Vinnie Appice are the best American Drummers.
One or two good song's, they should of got a real singer
Grunge came and went! Awful depressive stuff! Ok thats one thing that grunge thing ,if i recall it right the labels were looking for another typ of music due to the overmarketing of rock/hardrock just to build a new market on that grunge or whatever that was? And cold blodedly stopped rock bands from going on and if you have the right kind of supportive marketing team behind you you can even sell garbage and convince buyers/music listeners .... All you people outhere! We have something new for you! And so on. And if grunge messed up the rock music scene and it did partly of course! But how come then big rock names are still outthere playing selling albums it must be due to their hard workmanship lot of years behind them biggest names in the rock department and of course labels playing safe.... Theres still money in these bands lets play it safe! Who knows how long grunge project marketing will hold on? Thats the music bizz.
He was great in the Village People!! The black leather, handlebar mustache, what a look.
He was great in the Village People!! The black leather, handlebar mustache, what a look.