Not even Padmé on Mustafar was able to get through him nor Ahsoka on Malachor. It's really sad it took this long but that adds on this amazing tragedy.
Heja wolf 0602 Yoda would disagree, the whole dark path forever dominating the destiny bit. But as we saw, 800 years of being a jedi and being as one with the Force as a living being can get, doesn't make one always right.
@@keithadams7619 if vader/anakin had to make a new weapon to counter the Death Star and a new better suit and had the aid of the following people, could they do it: Thrawn: Designer of the TIE Defender, used some of Vader's own designs for both on-screen versions of the TIE Advanced Miles O'Brien Montgomery Scott The latter two's engineering pedigrees and skills need little explanation or introduction and in my book are such they transcend franchises, much like a certain pointy-eared scientist we all know whose anecdotes, logic and philosophy also transcends franchises. Could they do it without arousing Palpatine's notice? Individually they're all good. Combined they'd likely be unstoppable.
@@knightwind6628 You know dad, Your lightsaber's good, but it just doesn't look like it *ranks* among *master-level* craftsmanship. Anakin: listen here sonny boy don't make me get the belt
There are many feelings running through Vader in this scene. His loyalty to the dark side His feelings about the past How his son may just be right about him The fact that he hasn't paid child support in over 20 years
The way Vader kept his posture until the door closed out of Luke's sight, is absolutely crippling. Luke saying "Then my father is truly dead," absolutely shook him. Though you can't see it, him slumping and gripping the railing for support are all but tell tale signs of a man shedding a very painful tear. By far one the best scenes in Star Wars cinema. Body language is so much more stronger than words. Absolute props to David Prowse for his stellar performance as Vader's body.
I agree 100%. I have watched this scene many, many times. It is probably my favorite scene in the entire trilogy. The way you can feel Vader's pain is crazy.
"It is too late for me, son". That line is so powerful because you can hear the guilt and fear and self disappointment in his words and it's almost as if his entire Jedi life and life before his transformation flooded back into memory for a brief second.
he's probably thinking "why the hell did I go from being a faithful Jedi, to a mass murdering child killer in the space of ten minutes? Seriously did not think this through."
The dark side relies on hate to flourish, Vader was expecting hate from Luke but only got love and it completely broke him. A powerful message that translates into life.
Indeed. I had a girl in my graduating class that I antagonized so badly that when I saw her again in 2017-ish she still harbored resentment toward me, and I did not blame her one bit. I did go on to apologize and told her that she could even punch me if she wanted to and I knew I deserved it. But she saw I was sincere and she immediately let go of her resentment toward me and we've been friends ever since. I drop in on her from time to time on FB. Kind words and a sincere apology and a small display of love can break through the strongest barriers of hate and suffering.
@@crazyman7671 I also have a story about letting go of my hate. I have had been clinging onto hatred since middle school and up to my senior year. In my senior year, I had a lot going on in my life; appendicitis... but there was this one boy. He was someone who was often bullied because he had autism and we weren't friends until the end of senior year. Given I almost lost my life, I had pretty much went under a very big transformation. For years I didn't care about if I was to die, believing I was worthless, and so I reflected myself onto otuers. When I started changing, I have cut off negative "friends" and befriended better people. I never bullied him but I ignored him and allowed my "friends" to bully him which I felt guilty for. Despite this, we both walk the stage on graduation (we were both class of 2023 so this year) and he taught me to realize I should be better. He was not the only one who helped me in redeeming myself but he was one who was quick enough to forgive me when I went through it.
What gets to me that he captured and tortured Princess Leia in first Death Star weapon. Yet, never senses she WAS his daughter. Only after getting feeling from Luke's mind did Vader realize she was his daughter.
@@paulhunter6742 The point of that was because Leia wasn't Force sensitive and Luke was. Then Disney came along and made Leia Force sensitive for no reason, retconning that.
Do you really realize how amazing it is that Vader's body language is clear as water even though he's entirely armored ? You can clearly feel his emotions under his black suit. I love how calm and confident Luke is at this moment, after being such a rebellous mind on the previous episode. Those two lines : "It is too late for me, son" and... "Then my father is truly dead" ... are a true mark of an incredible writing and scenebuilding.
@@HAL-bo5lr Totally agree. Lucas wasn't kind enough to him despite Prowse giving away some secrets he probably shouldn't have. Without the right body language under the suit, the character wouldn't work at all. All his movements go perfectly with the voice.
One of my favorite things about the OT is watching Luke grow. He goes from a petulant child whining about power convertors, to a skilled but inexperienced warrior who lacks any kind of patience, and finally to a wise and confident master that is the culmination of everything a Jedi should be.
"Then my father is truly dead" Even with the mask on, you can tell by body language alone how much those words shook Vader. That was the turning point for Anakin.
As mentioned by the other comments, this line was used again by Obi-Wan in his series. Not only that, but when Luke says "there's still good in you" Padme says the same thing moments before Anakin wears the Vader suit for the first time
Yeah, Vader had not thought this through. Vader claims to be Luke's father and wants to rule the galaxy as father and son, but Vader rejects Anakin who was Luke's father. Hearing that Luke's "father" is truly dead made him rethink this situation lol.
I love that fact that it’s pretty clear that the reason Luke has such sway with Vader and is able to shake him to his core so much is because when Vader sees Luke he doesn’t just see his son. Vader sees what he should have been. Luke is what Anakin would have been if he had been trained by Qui-Gon. A Jedi who relies on compassion to fuel his power. A Jedi not blinded by dogma. The Chosen One he was always destined to be.
He was always the chosen one, no matter what. When Qui-Gon Jinn said he would bring Balance. He would. And he did. The moment he picked up Palpatine and threw him into the core. That is when balance was brought. Either way turning into Darth Vader or not he was always going to bring balance no matter what.
"It is too late for me son" Is such an important line. Despite what Vader meant, it actually confirms Luke's theory that Vader still had good in him. By saying that it is 'too late', Vader is aware that he has made wrong choices. And only a person who is inherently good can understand if what theyre doing is wrong.
For him his actions burned any bridge connected to his former life. All he has is the emperor who would kill him if he stepped out of line. He is a man who is trapped.
Is he saying like he wants to be good and be on the lightside again? But after everything hes done, hes saying he really cant. And i feel like after Vader said that his anakin skywalker memories flooded back in his mind for a hot second.
The rule of two demands there can only be two sith lords at the same time. In Empire, he invites Luke to rule the galaxy as father and son, which would mean he intends to usurp the emperor. The emperor on the other hand, intends to make Luke his new apprentice, Vader has accepted his due “retirement” with silent resignation. Perhaps this is what he means with “two late”
@@Gamerafighter76 I've thought the same thing. If Luke was right, and Vader said he was, then that means Padme was right. There was still good in Vader/Anakin.
+LKVideos This is a really good scene. You get to see Luke having a fairly emotional talk with one of the baddest persons in the galaxy, and it actually seems like they're a lot closer than you'd expect.
omghahaxd He didn't appear to be very smart imo though have not done anything other than watch the movies. (Not referring to his tactician abilities) Even then it just seems like common sense that if you are doing it for a specific person whom you are close with then you should know how they would feel about specific actions. At the very least some form of consultation is in order lol
LMAO right!? I always thought the look of the stormtrooper staring at Luke in the elevator as their about to go up was him thinking "How TF are you able to talk to him that way and not get choked on the spot!?!?!" lmao
"It is... too late for me, son." And THAT'S when Luke knew that he could definitely be redeemed. Anyone who genuinely believed that they were in the right wouldn't say it's "too late" for them, they'd simply say that they didn't need redemption. Anakin KNEW he was in the wrong, but also believed that he had gone too far to turn back now.
Right on. And also, I think he’s basically telling Luke, not as a threat, but as a warning, that there are things about the dark side that Luke doesn’t know, and it’s just consumed Vader to the point where he can’t escape it
@@heisdeadjim Nah, Penn is right. Anyone going "It's too late for me" is stating "I know I did wrong. But I feel trapped." Luke would pick up on that. They've shown they pay attention to finder details. Just like his father really.
Anakin knew right from the beginning that he was in the wrong, but he already had gone too far to turn back. Just look at what he says just after he betrays Mace Windu: "What have I done ...?"
All those years of genocide, all those years of conquest, all those years of misery and rage, I can understand how Vader said to his son it was too late, cuz like he's done so many countless horrible things throughout his years as a Sith Lord, he can't bring himself to believe the good man he once was is still there
@@Warsie The reason why Vader gets so pissed off when people call him Anakin is because he utterly hates his past self. He regards his former self as weak, foolish, and let himself be betrayed, used, and abandoned by everyone he called 'friend'. The only person from his past he doesn't hate is his wife, and we see multiple times in canon where he tries desperately to get her back.
Padme may also have been briefly force sensitive because she was pregnant with Luke and Leia too. As the force would be very powerful. So would want to think in some way she still felt there was good in him and was begging him to come back. Only it's belief. It just makes sense to me.
I like how when Luke says "come with me" Vader sort of pauses like he now finally as an option to be free but feels he's at the point of no return so he brings up "Obi Wan once thought as you do" which Vader just thought of the person he hates the most to bring him back into his hate.
“Search your feelings father. You can’t do this. I feel the conflict within you. Let go of your hate.” “It is…too late for me, son.” RIP James Earl Jones
had the exact same look as the scene where luke jumps off the spire in bespin like "well fuck you too then." or maybe he always looks like that it is a helmet after all
@@CharlotteGamesMC well actually he does have a meditation chamber where he could take off his armor and sleep if he really wanted to probably. get YOUR facts right
“It is too late for me, son” That shredded my heart to millions of pieces. He was aware that he was too far gone into the dark side and could no longer turn back, even if he wants to…
2:18 That brief pause speaks volumes. You can tell Vader wishes it was just that simple - that he could just leave with his son and be done with everything.
Also, watch Vader’s body language at 3:19. He’s basically thinking to himself, “even after I fucked up and all the terrible things I’ve done, there’s still someone who loves me and has hope for me?” And this also demonstrates how he wishes it could’ve been simple like you said
He's also probably thinking about one of the last things Padme said to him: "Come away with me, raise our child, and leave everything else behind while we still can!"
"It is too late for me, son." Most powerful line in this scene, and possibly the whole movie. 1: He acknowledges he screwed up and it's too late for him to turn back. 2: I believe this is one of the only times Vader ever addresses Luke as "son". If I were Luke at that point I'd be bawling saying "Daddy forget about all this and just come home with me and be like a normal family".
I have always thought that when Luke says "Then my father is truly dead" and Vader stands there alone after Luke is escorted away, that Vader begins to think to himself that this was not supposed to be what became of him and he wonders with great sadness about his life had he stayed in the Jedi order or at the very least, not turned to the dark side and raised Luke (Idk if he knows about Leia at this point) and what his life would have been.
EpiDemic117 Yes, it's like he realizes after his grand pursuit of power and domination, it has led him to this - being miserable, alone and unwanted by his own son. It really all came to nothing.
I love the misdirect when Vader ignites the lightsaber. You think he’s going to attack Luke out of rage and offense at what Luke just said. But it turns out to be a completely harmless gesture, as he just inspects it, then turns it off again almost immediately, and engages in a very human and intimate conversation with Luke. A small moment that subtly indicates so much. He doesn’t want to hurt Luke and he is no longer as much of a threat to Luke as he used to be.
@@jdb2002 Luke looks briefly nervous when he hears the saber ignite. Even if logically he knows Vader won’t harm him for one reason or another it’s the equivalent of hearing someone cocking a loaded gun behind your back. Luke knows trying to redeem Vader is a huge gamble.
@@taramaforhaikido7272 if you didn’t feel that particular way that’s cool. I’m sure there are people who didn’t. I know for a lot of a fact a lot of people were startled for a second just like Luke was when he heard the saber ignite. Also Luke’s goal was NOT to meet the Emperor. It was to talk to Vader and convince him to redeem himself. Luke says this himself 1:32 to 1:45 “I know there is good in you… the Emperor hasn’t driven it from you fully. It’s why you couldn’t destroy me. That’s why you WON’T take me to the Emperor now.” Vader responds by igniting the saber. Almost like saying “you’re wrong Luke.” And you can see Luke’s confidence in his previous statement falter. For just a second. 2:16 Luke tries to reach Vader again. “Come with me!” And Vader takes him to the Emperor. Luke was wrong there but he still had faith in his father even if there were times of doubt.
I think it was a reminder to Luke of just what he was trying to do. Luke almost sounds cocky when he says that Vader won't take him to the Emperor. Igniting the lightsaber was a reminder to him that he held none of the power in the situation and trying to get to Vader emotionally is a move you have to make very, VERY carefully.
"Then my father truly is dead" That was very painful for Vader to hear. Luke is the last family he has. the last thing Padme gave him. and Luke declares him not his father right in Vader's face. what was left inside of Vader had just been broken by his own son rejecting him.
Definitely although I gotta add that the obi wan show gave us this line as well with obi wan saying "then my friend is truly dead" and somehow it makes this one feel even more heavy
"Probably the worst injury Vader had ever taken." That and Luke choosing a s**cide drop off the bridge on Bespin over joining him and living as a galactic Jedi prince.
And Luke didn't really believe it, obviously, since he kept trying to get through to him later. He just said it to get a reaction from Vader, and whether he could sense it or not, he certainly got one.
" Then my friend is truly gone" Obi- wan " Then my father is truly dead" Luke You can tell Luke saying that bought Vader back to the only other person who ever cared about him
@@joey2894 Luke said that purposely so that Darth Vader would have to consider what he was doing and if it aligned with his true self, which he had been running away from all those years. Luke was the only one who could get him to do that. He didn't turn immediately, but it planted a seed deep within him that came out when the Emperor was torturing him.
Vader seemed genuinely hurt by the idea that Luke was more disappointed in him than angry. Hate and anger are emotions Vader knows all too well. They're the Sith's source of power, after all. But disappointment is something else. Luke truly expected better of his father and Vader could not meet those expectations. When Luke says, "Then my father is truly dead", it's out of heartbreak, not outrage. If anyone knows what it means to hurt those you love, it's Anakin. He often hurt those he loved on the path to save them. It isn't until the very end that Vader finally saved someone he truly loved and became the person Luke knew he was.
This is a wonderful scene... particularly how Luke completely (emotionally) disarms Vader. Vader is expecting Luke to be the cocky, defiant young rebel he met in Empire... someone who hates him. That Luke has matured and is calm and peaceful and is appealing to Vader's humanity... that was unexpected. It's all there in Jones's vocal performance. He starts off sounding like the antagonistic, hate-filled Vader from a New Hope... and at times, begins to sound like a father talking to his son. That his son is disappointed in him hurts him more than if his son merely hated him. He is too familiar with being hated for that particular emotion to even register.
David Prowse deserves so much credit for the body acting/ language. Just the slight nod of the head, side ways glance, drop of the shoulders just expresses so much of how he is feeling in response to Luke’s words of disappointment & compassion for his father. I watch this and it makes me abhor the new trilogy so much. How can this Luke so full of love, compassion & hope for his father, who has committed so many ghastly crimes in the name of the Darkside, betray & forget his principles & emotions so easily when it comes to his nephew, who has only up that point shown potential for darkness.
@@jarnoldn5 Since they trashed Lucas scripts I think we can say that. Star Wars is a story from George Lucas mind. We might not have liked his sequels, but it would have been hard to argue they "weren't Star Wars".
@@RocketdogandSeptembrif on the show obiwan has just said...come with me. Let me help you and leave that suit. Vader: ...its too late for me, master. Something like that
When Vader says "It Is too late for me, Son." he doesn't sound like one of the most feared Sith lords to ever exist, he sounds like a dad trying to console his son. I know it's been mentioned hundreds of times in these comments, but that was Anakin speaking, not Vader.
That's the whole point: Anakin is Vader. It was Anakin who slaughtered the Jedi, Anakin who tortured Leia and Han, Anakin who dismembered Luke. There is no alternate personality. There is, and has always been, only Anakin.
@@Cailus3542 I hate the *very* recent take that somehow Vader is a separate personality from Anakin. It makes zero sense. There would be no reason for him to hate Obi Wan and the Jedi, to think of Padme, to have resentment against Palpatine, to consider Luke *Skywalker* to be *his* son and to want to have Luke rule at his side if he weren't just Anakin consumed by the Dark Side, which has had zero "split personality" effects on any other Sith Lord that we've seen (Palpatine certainly had no identity crisis).
You don't just stop being you. The labels of names matters little. What's important is that VADER is being genuine in what he says. Vader's mistake is trying to reject his past instead of accepting it. It's what fuels his anger.
Sab Lee not much of a quote if you say that people can think of any movie that has that but a quote like you don't know the power of the dark side is star wars
Vader lingering and seeming distant after the elevator closed was always one of my favorite scenes as a kid. Always seemed like the most human moment he had to me.
We can clearly see how there is really a conflict inside Vader. Darth Vader, dark lord of the Sith, usually acts with brutality and with anger. Confident of what he does, harsh with his subordinates. Here, we can clearly see Vader on a depression. He doesn't talks in a fully direct way, nor with a high voice. He is calmed, like bored. When Luke said that there was a conflict within him, a normal Vader would had answered with words of how he is more powerful than ever. But he just says that it is too late for him.
That was the most important line. "No hope for me." Hope = turning back to the good side. He realizes his son is right, but feels he is too far gone. Look at the very end how he reflects to himself. God damn, other than the Ewoks this movie is a masterpiece.
***** But he kind like sounds like he doesn't cares. He knew that the emperor wanted his son to replace him, he even says "he is your new master now". The character development of Vader till this point is perfection!!!
chopperbubba That's true, in episode 5, he didn't even showed emotion when luke jumped. Here, the dark side really destroyed his soul. He didn't felt hatred here, he felt depressed, disappointed with himself, only wanting to die. Like I said, he talks like if he is bored, and even tells Luke that Sidius is his new master now. He knew Sidious was going to replace him, and he didn't cared.
i agree with you, but i think the line that always impressed me is when luke said: "then my father is truly death", Vader reaction was impresive, the first real encounter with his son, he tell him a devastating thing like you´re death to me
@@SatansGreatestSoldier - You can't put that all on Obi-Wan though. He could only train Anakin, it is not his fault or responsibility to save Anakin from himself. The council as a whole and Palpatine are more at fault for Anakin's ruined life than any mistakes Obi-Wan made during Anakin's training.
The Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker is perfect; lost his mother, lost his apprentice, lost his master, lost his wife, believed his children was dead for nearly 2 decades, but never *TRULY* lost his son and had saved him in the end, along with his daughter ironically, by killing Sidious and saving the galaxy forever, but sadly no one ever knew how the Emperor truly died. This, my friends, is the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker. Luckily, his son, Luke Skywalker, and his grandchildren, Jaina, Jacen, Anakin, Ben, and the rest that came after continued the name of the Skywalker family and redeemed it in the face of the galaxy despite all the struggles.
Anakin did exactly as he was created to do It was his destiny to destoy the sith and the jedi He was to bring equal BALANCE not win for the jedi or Sith and he did exactly that
This was the first scene ever that humanizes Vader. When Luke calls him father, he shows pleasant surprise (1:16). Then Luke makes the point about Vader purposely not killing Luke because he couldn’t bring himself to kill his son. It’s like Vader agrees with Luke but wants to change the subject because he feels uncomfortable 1:49. Then he is truly proud that Luke constructed a light saber 2:00. He mentions Obi Wan and you can tell he is remembering him more as the friend that tried to save him 2:21. When he tells Luke “you don’t know the power of the dark side”, I don’t think Vader is bragging. He is essentially saying, you don’t know the how much the dark side has a power over me. 2:27. Then he says it’s too late for me 2:52 which signifies that Vader has thought about it but believes he is too fargone and has so much guilt about the past. Then when Luke tells him that his father is truly dead, Vader is left hurt and deep in thought 3:29. Powerful story telling.
"Show don't tell.." This was a really great scene, because it humanized what was thought to be the most ruthless force in all the galaxy other than the Emperor himself, ending the lives of anyone that stood against him and then here's this kid, directly contradicting the powerhouse and not even being threatened, but fully paid attention to by the dark lord.
@@wallamazoo01 Return of the Jedi is not my favorite Star Wars movie but it does contain some of my favorite scenes and has fantastic storyline regarding Luke and Vader’s completed character arc.
You know Luke is probably the only person to call him Anakin Skywalker without receiving an immediately, violent altercation from him. I bet Luke knew calling him that would make him react that way, and when he didn't react with his usually "life-ending viscousness", that confirmed exactly that Luke knew he was the one who could bring him back.
Most people never knew Vader was actually Anakin Skywalker. Publicly, Anakin died in the Purge. Only Ahsoka, Yoda and Obi-Wan knew outside of the Emperor.
2:25 "You don't know the power of the dark side. I *must* obey my master." Knowing how sadistic and cruel the Emperor is, and how he's tortured Vader and many others so many times before, this line hits pretty hard. Vader is a murderer, but I can't help feeling bad for him. He is again what he was for so long before the Jedi found him. Vader is a slave.
In Empire the line was “if you only knew the power of the dark side” making it seem like its something he knew he loved and wanted, here he’s something he literally can’t escape because the consequences are dire
@@FalconsEye58094 well if I remember correctly succumbing to the dark side slowly cuts you off from the light side so if someone becomes a full blown sith lord like Vader has there's literally nothing left for him on the otherside. He's been Vader longer then he was a Skywalker, being a sith is legit all he's ever known since a young man. its kinda like those extremely old married couples who've been together since high-school but no longer love each other, they won't leave because for 30 years its the only life they've known. Vader is also acknowledging that he's actually good deep down inside as he's aware he's done too many wrongs and feels like he doesn't deserve redemption
@@R0NYFL0NY Oh My God. Yer SO DAMN RIGHT. As Yes. When Anakin became Darth Vader, He became a slave to the Dark side as the Dark side just Blinded Him an made him CRAVE more Power and he also became a slave to Darth Sidious. As Darth sidious Brainwashed Anakin into thinking the Jedi are evil an that Every1 had turned against Anakin... All Anakin did as Darth Vader was just feed the dark side an help Darth sidious Spread the Evil vile Plague that was the Galactic Empire which resulted in the death's of Million's of Innocent Live's. Vader/Anakin is a DAMN FOOL. Like, The Jedi did not betray him, HE betrayed them. And The Jedi and The Light Side did Not Kill his Wife. HE DID. As he broke her Heart SOOO BADLY when She Knew he'd turned into a Heartless Murderer...
“It is too late for me, son...” That line hits so powerfully. You can hear that deep down, Vader wants to turn towards the light and be free from the pain. But he feels that’s he’s too far gone to be saved. It truly is saddening.
I always felt it too! It's feeling on scenes in Vader's redemption and their ending. Body language of David Prows is amazing because he makes brilliant drama without unnatural tears!
“that’s why you won’t bring me to your emperor now.” fun fact: luke was actually using the jedi mind trick on vader while saying this line. both of them knew it was useless...BUT, underneath that helmet, vader couldn’t help but feel a little bit proud of his son for exhibiting his power. it’s in the novel.
@@KrillintheVillain all im saying is as a new fan to star wars in 2021, I hate that when i need a question answered im met with "ReAd ThE bOoKs" or watch "ClOnE WaRs." How about i just want my movie to explain it to me?
@@chrismc410 Luke: "pocket sand!" *throws handful at vader's respirator* Vader: "AAAUUGGGHH! MY ONE WEAKNESS!" *vigorously swatting it away from his face*
This really is an incredible scene. When Luke is talking to Vader about still being good, you can see the gears in Vader's head turning. Though we only see a black mask, we can see through it. You know what i mean?
Spoiler Alert: I think it's even more prominent when you see Vader during the final scene when he has to choose Emperor Palpatine or his son Luke during the Emperor's force lightning torture.
Luke is using the same tactic the Emperor uses. Pull at Anakins heart. Prequels the Emperor uses Anakins wife to turn him. RoTJ. Luke uses...his son...
Star Wars use to be a human drama, it was beyond the cold masks of some characters. We can see and feel their humanity. And we fell in love with them for their fears and imperfections. Rey, in the other hand…. Pfffff.
Luke likely mind tricked the officer and stormtroopers while surrendering. "I am surrendering to you and you will bring me to Vader as your captive. I am armed only with this." *hands weapon to officer* "Lord Vader will be proud of you, and you will be promoted." *stops using the force and the officer forgets that Luke surrendered intentionally, beginning to probe Luke about other nearby Rebels... "I am alone." Luke says, without using a mind trick.
If Anakin wasn't wearing his suit when Luke said... "Then my father is truly dead", we as the audience would be able to see how much of an affusive fountain of tears he would've been at that point. As a parent to have your own child or children express their utmost disappointment in you for your heinous transgressions , if that doesn't make you beat yourself up to a bloody pulp mentally, then I don't know what will.
@@inyourgranmaass3605 It was a bitter victory for Luke mind. Just before the doors closed, you could just barely see the expression on his face as if to say... "I'm sorry father, but you seem to be too far gone for me to help you now." Just like in Revenge of the Sith, it shows that in spite of his immense raw power, Anakin was still as fragile as he was before he turned.
Am I the only one who thinks that Vader over used the word ''complete'' in this series? I mean seriously pay attention, he says it like 20 times it's bugging me
Son Of Montreal It’s Vader projecting his desire for completeness in his life, which he has never had because he’s always been suffering from immense pain and loss since childhood.
Luke: Come with me Father. Translation Luke: Father, I don't care about what you've done in the past. I don't care about how much power we could wield. I just want you to come home.
Evolved Turtle Productions now I know you're joking but luke means home as everywhere. Plus the homestead wasn't truly anakin's home, the jedi temple was.
That's just it. Anakin truly loved Padme and Obiwan. Padme his wife and Obiwan his brother and he was loyal to death for them both but he felt backstabbed by them which angered him and helped trigger his fall further down.
Anakin's greatest weakness was always that he loved too much, too strongly. He suffered greatly by losing his mother, Ahsoka, Padme, Obi-Wan, and almost his children. Ironic that, in the end, it was his son who returned that love who got through to him, and he was finally able to save someone dear to him.
My guess is they were thinking: "Wow. Lord Vader has a son? And he's with the rebellion?" "I heard he's a jedi too." "Impossible we killed them like....20 years ago." "Then why does he have a lightsabre?" "He must've stole it from the temple for a submariner. What's left of it I mean." "I heard Lord Vader was a jedi too." "Good thing he joined us or we'd killed him too." "Still if that rebel is Lord Vader's son why is he against us? I mean Lord Vader's clearly the Emperor's heir. He'll probably take over the empire when the Emperor kicks the bucket then he'll need an heir too." "Yeah. But his son's with the rebellion." "Let's ask him if he'll choose one of us to be his air when he takes the throne."
You can hear in his voice at numerous moments how proud Vader is of Luke in this scene. The way he admires the new lightsaber he constructed himself like what Anakin did as a padawan, realises the bravery of Luke for arriving to face him alone rather than joining the Rebels in a full-scale attack, and senses the near-godlike potential of the Skywalker blood running through his veins - Vader probably wanted nothing more than to give him a hug.
A detail I don't think many people have mentioned is Vader's hesitation after Luke says 'that's why you won't bring me to your emperor now'. He looks a little lost for words, and brings attention to Luke's lightsabre as a sort of distraction.
Exactly! It’s an abrupt change of subject to avoid the conversation, and he focuses briefly on Luke’s new skills. You can hear admiration in his voice; he’s proud of his son. But Luke presses “come with me,” leaving Vader no choice but to acknowledge the elephant in the room.
Rest in Peace, David Prowse, the actor in the suit. His acting here is superb. Simple things like long glares at the elevator shaft, and walking over to the railing and resting his hand there says so much without seeing the actor in the flesh, or hearing him speak.
This is probably the best scene in the whole saga. And the line: "It is too late for me, son" is so chilling. It is because we can all relate to him. The pain, the desire to change and the harsh realization that there is no turning back. That you cannot change yourself and that whatever you do, your past will always haunt you. The beauty of this scene is that this is the tragedy that we all have to face. I for one completely underatand Vader. Well, not being a child murderer, but sometimes the weight of your past is unbearable. And you realize that there is no turning back, nothing you can do, that you have to live with the choices you made and all the pain that comes with that. This is not the tragedy of Darth Vader, but the tragedy we all have to face. Bravo, mister Lucas for this scene alone...
Sal OC with how well this wraps up the saga it pains me to remember the sequels exist. I miss the days of tension and stakes (as well as shit that doesn’t destroy the lore)
That's y repentance exists. And Christ came. Repentance and forgiveness is not a destination it's a journey. It's only takes 1 step at a time. Even anakin vader needed Jesus
Who else here thinks, when Luke said, "Come with me", Vader suffered a momentary flashback of his wife and their mother saying the same thing before he choked her?
+Eamon Quinn Eh I'll have to admit that I did have quite a flashback there. I was hesitant to choke Luke, but then the emperor would have destroyed me. But yeah total flashbacks.
I think when vader saw Luke getting electrocuted he remembered watching his mom die and failing to save his wife so he didn't want to lose his son next
+Rosita Mariposita Who honestly gave a toss about Mace Windu, 3 movies in I think we were all a little sick of him doing the Jedi Jools from Pulp Fiction - The Emperor struck him down with great vengeance and furious anger :D if anything Vader was remembering Padme'
I love how up until this point, when Vader said “You don’t know the power of the dark side” or something to the effect of it, it had a boasting and confident tone to it. However, for the first time in this exchange, Vader says it once again, but in such a way that communicates basically “The dark side is far more powerful than you know, I cannot beat my master, I have to obey him”
What Darth Vader said at 2:51, did he admit that he wishes that he could be good again, but it was too late? If you make mistakes in life, it is never too late to regret them and change yourself for the good. So, Luke was right. There was still good in Darth Vader. It just took him until the end of the movie when Palpatine was electrocuting Luke to realize it.
68corvette08 Omd reading that I just put it all together. The last time he saw him electrocuting somebody was Mace Windu. He probably got a flash-back of that then remembered that soon after he caused Padme's death and couldn't take seeing it again so he killed his "demon" for the sake of his son which if you think about it is a symbol of the love he had for Padme. OMD I'M SO DEPRESSED NOW! LOL
adamatomic41 I feel like that is exactly what he thinks as he thought on Mustafar the Empire brought peace to everyone and realized after it didnt so he couldnt forgive himslef for making everyone suffer
the way JEJ delivered "It is too late for me, son" told so much about him. The fact that he delivered it in the least "Vader" way possible makes it so much better. It really felt like Anakin talking to Luke
2:26 I love this line so much because it's one of the few times (the only time I can think of) Vader says this, not to entice Luke, and not to make him fearful, but almost as a warning. Vader is not expressing how he can dominate Luke through the Dark Side, but how the Dark Side dominates him through the Emperor.
Nailed it on the head. When he says he must obey his master, he means that shit, because if he doesn’t and confronts Palpatine, he would get killed right away since Palpatine would sense it immediately
Exactly. There’s so much that he conveys with just those words. He’s telling Luke that he does NOT enjoy being part of the Dark Side. He is NOT happy commanding the Imperial army. He does NOT want to be doing any of this. None of this is fulfilling for him in any way. He is a trapped slave.
This movie's finale and redeeming Vader is Luke Skywalker's finest hour on film. His calm and control here and his faith in his father despite everything makes his anger towards Vader later all the more impactful. Not just to us, but to Vader. Seeing how his son has mastered his emotions must have made the Anakin that was still in there very proud, it's something he was never able to do. So when Luke does lose it later and lashes out at Vader, it must really hit him seeing history repeat itself, and his son starting down the same path. Then when Luke calms himself and _still_ refuses to kill him, it shows Anakin how he could have been, that he did have a choice, and still does.
I think there's a novelization of Return of the Jedi, where in his final moments, Anakin says Luke became who Anakin wanted to be. If the child becoming what the parent didn't/couldn't but wanted to doesn't make the parent proud, I don't know what will
The entire movie of Return of the Jedi we were basically seeing Anakin most of the time. Anakin was taking over his own life again from Darth Vader. Anakin was much nicer in that movie. My favorite scene is after luke kicks him the stairs and he genuinely gave Luke and Obi-Wan a huge compliment.
Thats amazing. I never realized how the ROTS scene mirrored that until now. Anakin lost himself in the dark side, because of fear. But Luke looked it in the eye and said, "No."
This and the scene from rebels where Ahsoka says "I won't leave you this time" and vader responds with "Then you will die." Is also extremely heartbreaking
A heartfelt farewell to the great James Earl Jones, who passed away today. For my money, this was his finest moment in the original trilogy. The emotion in his voice, speaking to his long-lost son, never fails to make me emotional. Rest easy, sir.
It just signifies that Anakin truly became a slave as vader. Slave to the emperor but in the novel when he finally kills the emperor he responds to palpatine's" release me vader I am your master" with " Darth vader's master not Anakin skywalker's" that very moment when Anakin finally returns he is no longer a slave.
@@subhadeepdey3111 or more powerful to say he was a slave who although lost his freedom and was an eternal slave to the Emperor, he saved the galaxy by killing him making the ultimate sacrifice
Luke: "you're a prisoner?" Darth Vader: "it's all par and partial to the whole Sith Lord gig, *PHENOMENAL, COSMIC POWERS!!!!!* (knocks on his helmet) itty-bitty living space!" Luke: "aww, Anakin, that's terrible!" Darth Vader: "but ohh, to be free! not to have to suck up to someone all the time! (holds up picture of Watto) WHADDYA NEED? (Holds up picture of Jedi council) WHADDYA NEED? (holds up picture of Palpatine) WHADDYA NEED?.... to be _my own master!..._ such a thing would be greater than all the force powers in the world! but what am I talking about, it's never gonna happen. Vader, wake up and smell the death sticks!" Luke: "why not?" Vader: "the only way I get outta this, is if I let go of the dark side of the force! so! you can guess how often THAT'S happened." Luke: "i'll do it! I'll help you let go of the dark side!" Darth Vader: "yeah. uh-huh. VVVVVP!" Luke: "no, really! After you take me to the emperor, I'll help you break free!" Anakin: "well.....here's hoping...."
I have always liked how determined, resolute, and unafraid Luke is in this scene. After,their last encounter at Bespin you might expect Luke to be at least a little intimidated but instead he stares Darth Vader down right from the start. At Bespin Luke still carried a blaster, but now "he is armed only with this," a lightsaber. He has truly become a Jedi, not just in terms of skill with a lightsaber, but in terms of maturity and an inner strength of character. "That's why you won't take me to your emperor now," was Luke trying to use a 'Jedi mind trick' to influence Vader, trying to get through to him by using the Force to get him to think? "Then my father is truly dead," Luke shakes his head in disappointment and walks away, the clear winner in this verbal and mental confrontation.
I always thought "You wont take me to your Emperor now" has a few meanings here. Vader knows the Emperor has foreseen Luke destroying them both, and Vader knows exactly just how powerful Palpatine is. Luke also was told "You do not yet realize your importance" from Vader, and all three know he is a full Jedi at this point. Luke is very aware of his own skills at this point, so it is time to follow the will of the Force. He also believes he has the fail safe of the rebel fleets attack on the death star after the shield is down as an ace in the hole. He also is using emotional blackmail to possibly temp the offer Vader gave him in their last meeting that he would betray the Emperor to rule the galaxy as father and son. He knows he isnt loyal to Palpatine, two vs one is better odds. For Luke it is his best tactical odds to defeat the Emperor, even if he dies in an exploding death star. While Luke wasnt willing to sacrifice Han and Leia on Bespin, even though Yoda told him "if you honor what they fight for, yes." He was willing to sacrifice himself 100% for the rebel cause.
I love how it went from, “You don’t know the power of the Dark Side” to try to drag Luke into the power aspect of the force, to, ‘I know the Dark Side; I must obey my master or I will die.” And then for Vader to look at his son as he walks away... almost like a silent goodbye as if he was sending him to die. Then, a moment of self reflection as he gazes at Endor. Great attention to detail, Lucas.
Sad thing is that one video showed an interesting theory that had Vader nor saved Luke on the Death Star, Palpatine would have killed Luke, ordered Vader to throw Luke into the shaft that he was thrown, and then Palpatine would have choke lifted Vader like he does Kylo Renn, and thrown Vader down the shaft too.
@@dvdtv1234 True, but Richard Marquand was a director for hire. Lucas chose him because he was too busy with ILM to helm the movie himself...but he had to step in for several VFX sequences anyway as Marquand had no experience in such matters.
I really wanted to introduce my girlfriend to Star Wars. She didn't like the prequels that much, but since ANH her attitude changed drastically. And then came RotJ and this scene. With this scene she finally realized what Star Wars is truly about. She was really moved at the finale and when Anakin showed, she burst into tears.
My girl and I just watcehd the prequals she absolutely loved them and now I'm showing her the OT soon., Curious to see if she'll like them more or less after her love for the first 3. Suprsingly loved the phantom menace which was great.
It's better to show them in the order of release. The prequels, if seen before, kinda ruin the surprise of the "father revelation" but when you know how everything will end they take on more of a Greek tragedy form. Character doomed by destiny to succumb to their flaws and be brought down by fate
That uneasiness in Luke's face when Vader activates his lightsaber. It says so much with so little effort. Always loved that little moment, absolutely superb acting on Mark Hamill's part and excellent directing on Richard Marquand's part.
The little moment at the end when Vader steps to the side is powerful. It’s a hint that his encounter with Luke affected him in a way he wasn’t prepared for.
chopperbubba I agree, people always give credit to Harrison Ford and other actors but overlook Hamill. I feel that because Ford became such a big movie star over time people forget about Hamill who didnt do much acting later. He did a great job in each movie, portraying the characters different thoughts and attitude in each film.
Rod Lightning On the contrary. He recieved so much credit. It's why he was typecast as Luke Skywalker and why it crippled his acting career. A damned shame. He has such obvious talent in movies like Slipstream, but he's stuck with movies like Wing Commander. A damned shame.
How Do Ya Like Me Now, Chucklehead? Not really a film but he did voice the main baddy in Avatar the Last Airbender and his voice work was really good. I didn't know it was him originally but finding out it was was actually a shock.
I watched an interview where he said he hates doing live action and he much rather do voice work because he's not self conscious about his facial expressions and other live action things.
Love Vader in this scene. No one has actually spoken to him in a very long time, and you can see Luke hits him deep. He was only this vulnerable to Luke or Leia.
I actually wonder sometimes how this scene would have gone with Leia instead of Luke as the Jedi (ignoring that she was raised on Alderaan). She would have most likely still surrendered to Vader but probably would have spoken with much more brutal honesty.
Yeah and I love how he just stands behind Luke while he's talking. He really seems out of words, it feels really different compared to the their meeting in Cloud CIty
For all the action, jokes and special effects, this remains my favorite Star Wars scene of all time. The beginning of the most important sequence… The Redemption Arc… The last time we see Vader in a position of power as well. There’s just so much to dissect, it is beautiful!
When Vader says its too late, that is actually the turning point for him. Luke's faith in his father's goodness has him wanting to believe. Sideous originally used fear to tempt Vader to the dark side, Luke now tenpts him back to the light through love. Very good writing, almost Shakespearean in it's symmetry.
That "its too late for me son" is such a Shakespearean line, its just a few a words but says so much about Vaders emotional and mental state. That was him basically saying that he doesn't deserve the redemption Luke wants to bring him, that wasn't Vader speaking but Anakin Skywalker letting his guard down briefly to speak to his son honestly and it also proved that what Luke said was true, Vader still had some good in him as only a good person will acknowledge that they've done wrong and feel like they don't deserve forgiveness
“It is too late for me, Son.”
For the first time in many years Anakin Skywalker, NOT Darth Vader, was speaking.
Not even Padmé on Mustafar was able to get through him nor Ahsoka on Malachor. It's really sad it took this long but that adds on this amazing tragedy.
@@RyanTheDark But Anakin wanted her to join him.
@@camilachavez9320 Nah, that was Vader speaking.
@@tonystank3091 Love your name!
😭
“SO…you have accepted the truth”
Vader was lowkey happy when Luke called him father
He *did* sound like he was smiling a bit
@@sabishiihitoSo 😏, you have accepted the truth?
Vader on the inside: HE NOTICED ME
@@chefalex1753
Luke: (mentions his real name)
Vader/Anakin: 😠
Cue HISHE Anakin freaking out over being a dad😂
When Vader says "It's too late for me son", he says it in a very tenderly manner, almost like a loving father.
Deep down every father loves their son. Sometimes a father loses their way. Sometimes it's too late before they find it again.
To quote from a certain Professor with Mutant powers, "Just because someone stumbles and loses their way, doesn't mean they're lost forever."
Heja wolf 0602 Yoda would disagree, the whole dark path forever dominating the destiny bit. But as we saw, 800 years of being a jedi and being as one with the Force as a living being can get, doesn't make one always right.
Like he admits he was wrong to turn to the dark side.
Qasim Mir Yep!
Rest in Peace, James Earl Jones. Darth Vader would never have been as iconic as he’s become without you.
Qui-Gon Jinn: Anakin, the time has come to go. It's all over.
He is a gold of this role never forgotten until next generation
I love how Vader was like “I see you’ve constructed a new lightsaber” when on the inside he was thinking “THAT’S MY BOY”
He's still a tinkerer at heart, so I guess he can't help but admire his son's craftsmanship, even if it looks an awful lot like his former master's.
@@keithadams7619 if vader/anakin had to make a new weapon to counter the Death Star and a new better suit and had the aid of the following people, could they do it:
Thrawn: Designer of the TIE Defender, used some of Vader's own designs for both on-screen versions of the TIE Advanced
Miles O'Brien
Montgomery Scott
The latter two's engineering pedigrees and skills need little explanation or introduction and in my book are such they transcend franchises, much like a certain pointy-eared scientist we all know whose anecdotes, logic and philosophy also transcends franchises.
Could they do it without arousing Palpatine's notice?
Individually they're all good. Combined they'd likely be unstoppable.
Vader: "You know Luke you could've gotten this in red, you know like mines but hey to each his own."
@@knightwind6628 You know dad, Your lightsaber's good, but it just doesn't look like it *ranks* among *master-level* craftsmanship.
Anakin: listen here sonny boy don't make me get the belt
Lol, best comment I’ve seen 😂
There are many feelings running through Vader in this scene.
His loyalty to the dark side
His feelings about the past
How his son may just be right about him
The fact that he hasn't paid child support in over 20 years
Lmmfao
Bravo. They can always garnish his Republic credits.
lmao
He thinking about them arrears lol
+The Real Bucky - lmao
"Your skills are complete."
The closest thing Luke ever got to a "I'm proud of you, son."
Luke get "im proud of u" even when his father is evil and I cant get it from my "good" father
@@wiktorkowalkowska oof
At the end Vader says you were right about me and you saved me remember?
Wrong it's, "you were right about me"
@@wiktorkowalkowska proud*
The way Vader kept his posture until the door closed out of Luke's sight, is absolutely crippling. Luke saying "Then my father is truly dead," absolutely shook him. Though you can't see it, him slumping and gripping the railing for support are all but tell tale signs of a man shedding a very painful tear. By far one the best scenes in Star Wars cinema. Body language is so much more stronger than words. Absolute props to David Prowse for his stellar performance as Vader's body.
I agree 100%. I have watched this scene many, many times. It is probably my favorite scene in the entire trilogy. The way you can feel Vader's pain is crazy.
Vader was starting to fall apart …
@@xgame47and Anakin was beginning to rise again
Lol
so true. and thats whats mostly missing in todays movies (besides many other things)
"It is too late for me, son". That line is so powerful because you can hear the guilt and fear and self disappointment in his words and it's almost as if his entire Jedi life and life before his transformation flooded back into memory for a brief second.
he's probably thinking "why the hell did I go from being a faithful Jedi, to a mass murdering child killer in the space of ten minutes? Seriously did not think this through."
STARKILLER15100 that's exactly what I was thinking!!! it was almost like aniken was talking for a second, then Vader put him back in his cage.
Vader never truly converted. He turned to the dark side for noble reasons, and did terrible things that weighed on his conscience.
Sloth from The Goonies yes he did, it wasn't until Luke came along where he started to come back. Anakin died but was resurrected in episode 6
Suave Man If all that's all it took for him to snap out of it, then I stand by my statement.
"Then my father is truly dead." Those words pierced him like a lightsaber.
Even more when Sidious told him he killed Padme
In believe Vader start to breaking after that words
Those words were a fatal wound to Vader, but a shot of life into Anakin.
"then my father is truly dead."
Anakin: "NOT. YET."
Palpatine: "it's _Treason,_ then...."
@@hobomike6935 Han Solo said "No, that feels different." What? Too soon?
Luke is the smallest person here, yet has the biggest heart.
awwwww your comment made me very happy
Luke is fucking Bilbo Baggins.
2.2 meters to be exact lol
Yea he's a little short to be a stormtrooper
Waylon Jones my nigga are you killer croc
You can tell Vader is really proud of Luke. This was really the moment Vader could not escape his love for his son. Such a cool story man
Yes. Deep.
The dark side relies on hate to flourish, Vader was expecting hate from Luke but only got love and it completely broke him. A powerful message that translates into life.
Indeed. I had a girl in my graduating class that I antagonized so badly that when I saw her again in 2017-ish she still harbored resentment toward me, and I did not blame her one bit. I did go on to apologize and told her that she could even punch me if she wanted to and I knew I deserved it. But she saw I was sincere and she immediately let go of her resentment toward me and we've been friends ever since. I drop in on her from time to time on FB. Kind words and a sincere apology and a small display of love can break through the strongest barriers of hate and suffering.
there is a famous saying "kill them with your kindness." is what Luke was doing here
@@timslee0618it was that but also the fact that it was a son speaking to his father
@@crazyman7671 I also have a story about letting go of my hate. I have had been clinging onto hatred since middle school and up to my senior year. In my senior year, I had a lot going on in my life; appendicitis... but there was this one boy. He was someone who was often bullied because he had autism and we weren't friends until the end of senior year. Given I almost lost my life, I had pretty much went under a very big transformation. For years I didn't care about if I was to die, believing I was worthless, and so I reflected myself onto otuers. When I started changing, I have cut off negative "friends" and befriended better people. I never bullied him but I ignored him and allowed my "friends" to bully him which I felt guilty for. Despite this, we both walk the stage on graduation (we were both class of 2023 so this year) and he taught me to realize I should be better. He was not the only one who helped me in redeeming myself but he was one who was quick enough to forgive me when I went through it.
I think he expected hate from Luke because he got hate from the Jedi. Luke wasn’t acting like any Jedi he had ever met.
I’ve always loved this scene because Luke & Vader don’t talk like enemies. They talk like family.
it's really about family
What gets to me that he captured and tortured Princess Leia in first Death Star weapon. Yet, never senses she WAS his daughter. Only after getting feeling from Luke's mind did Vader realize she was his daughter.
Just wish they would play catch for one last time like they use too would of been a happy Father and Son moment. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
@@MeatballSandwichI’m sure they were playing catch while anakin is force ghost
@@paulhunter6742 The point of that was because Leia wasn't Force sensitive and Luke was. Then Disney came along and made Leia Force sensitive for no reason, retconning that.
Vader is a really tragic character when you think about it.
Cyberlord how
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me because i did not edit anything
Cyberlord Are you fucking dumb or something?
I know cyber lord you idiot because i did not edit anything
Do you really realize how amazing it is that Vader's body language is clear as water even though he's entirely armored ? You can clearly feel his emotions under his black suit. I love how calm and confident Luke is at this moment, after being such a rebellous mind on the previous episode. Those two lines :
"It is too late for me, son"
and...
"Then my father is truly dead"
... are a true mark of an incredible writing and scenebuilding.
That's why these movies are some of the best ever made.
Sure they ruined it with ewoks but episode 6 had its moments...
Give some credit to David Prowse (R.I.P) as well.
@@HAL-bo5lr Totally agree. Lucas wasn't kind enough to him despite Prowse giving away some secrets he probably shouldn't have. Without the right body language under the suit, the character wouldn't work at all. All his movements go perfectly with the voice.
One of my favorite things about the OT is watching Luke grow. He goes from a petulant child whining about power convertors, to a skilled but inexperienced warrior who lacks any kind of patience, and finally to a wise and confident master that is the culmination of everything a Jedi should be.
Those two stormtroopers in the end must have been like "Whaaaat??? This is Vader's son?"
Emile I’d be TREMBLING...
When they enter the elevator you can see one of them glance at Luke for a second and thinking, "the fuck?"
@Henry Discipline they are normal human, Galactic Empire is no longer using Clone
Febrian 007 yep
Henry Discipline They are human, but if you’ve watched the Clone Wars show you’d know they have feelings and emotions..
"Then my father is truly dead"
Even with the mask on, you can tell by body language alone how much those words shook Vader. That was the turning point for Anakin.
Anakin gets instant flashback on Kenobi. I love of how small detail of body language shift to unease Vader.
As mentioned by the other comments, this line was used again by Obi-Wan in his series. Not only that, but when Luke says "there's still good in you" Padme says the same thing moments before Anakin wears the Vader suit for the first time
Yeah, Vader had not thought this through. Vader claims to be Luke's father and wants to rule the galaxy as father and son, but Vader rejects Anakin who was Luke's father. Hearing that Luke's "father" is truly dead made him rethink this situation lol.
@@noahbrown6970 😊
Definatly contributed to vader saving him from emporers litening shortly after!!
What I find fascinating is that in Vader's mask we can sense some kind of facial expressions.
I know, right?!
yes I agree very nice indeed
Sadly people don't appreciate the body language as much as the voice
Youre absolutely right. Just look how he leans over at the last clip . 100% conflicted
The lighting changes on vaders mask. Making up for lack of facial expressions
I love that fact that it’s pretty clear that the reason Luke has such sway with Vader and is able to shake him to his core so much is because when Vader sees Luke he doesn’t just see his son. Vader sees what he should have been. Luke is what Anakin would have been if he had been trained by Qui-Gon. A Jedi who relies on compassion to fuel his power. A Jedi not blinded by dogma. The Chosen One he was always destined to be.
he would also probably be reminded of padme every time he sees luke, see her personality traits etc etc
He was always the chosen one, no matter what. When Qui-Gon Jinn said he would bring Balance. He would. And he did. The moment he picked up Palpatine and threw him into the core. That is when balance was brought. Either way turning into Darth Vader or not he was always going to bring balance no matter what.
Chosen one doesnt mean Jedi
@@JasonLdee102bruh Palpatine returned so obvs he wasn’t the chosen one
Baby Yoda or Rey Skywalker is the real chosen one
It looks like Luke's words have actually hit Vader hard.
The pen is truly mightier than a lightsaber!
Batman1989King
Agreed. ;)
The way Vader silently reflects at the end says it all. Deep down, he knows his son is right.
They did.
Batman1989King you should have told this George Lucas before he'd made the prequel
"It is too late for me son" Is such an important line. Despite what Vader meant, it actually confirms Luke's theory that Vader still had good in him. By saying that it is 'too late', Vader is aware that he has made wrong choices. And only a person who is inherently good can understand if what theyre doing is wrong.
For him his actions burned any bridge connected to his former life. All he has is the emperor who would kill him if he stepped out of line. He is a man who is trapped.
Is he saying like he wants to be good and be on the lightside again? But after everything hes done, hes saying he really cant. And i feel like after Vader said that his anakin skywalker memories flooded back in his mind for a hot second.
The rule of two demands there can only be two sith lords at the same time. In Empire, he invites Luke to rule the galaxy as father and son, which would mean he intends to usurp the emperor. The emperor on the other hand, intends to make Luke his new apprentice, Vader has accepted his due “retirement” with silent resignation. Perhaps this is what he means with “two late”
Padme once thought as Luke did.
@@Gamerafighter76 I've thought the same thing. If Luke was right, and Vader said he was, then that means Padme was right. There was still good in Vader/Anakin.
Poor Vader. Allways felt sorry for him in this scene.
+LKVideos This is a really good scene. You get to see Luke having a fairly emotional talk with one of the baddest persons in the galaxy, and it actually seems like they're a lot closer than you'd expect.
+LKVideos After killing the younglings not me.
+SoldierGeneral64 his mind was greatly manipulated he didn't know what he was doing
omghahaxd He didn't appear to be very smart imo though have not done anything other than watch the movies. (Not referring to his tactician abilities)
Even then it just seems like common sense that if you are doing it for a specific person whom you are close with then you should know how they would feel about specific actions. At the very least some form of consultation is in order lol
Fluffy Greyfoot lol
I love how when Luke mentions Anakin Vader just scolds him but if literally anyone else (except palpatine) says it he just kills them 😂
LMAO right!? I always thought the look of the stormtrooper staring at Luke in the elevator as their about to go up was him thinking "How TF are you able to talk to him that way and not get choked on the spot!?!?!" lmao
@@johnlungo8080- 🤣
Sidious only mention because he still plans to destroy him after this. He does not see Vader as his apprentice but anakin as his slave.
Had this been any other rebel they would of been decimated on the spot
Vader be like: If you weren’t my son…
"It is... too late for me, son."
And THAT'S when Luke knew that he could definitely be redeemed. Anyone who genuinely believed that they were in the right wouldn't say it's "too late" for them, they'd simply say that they didn't need redemption.
Anakin KNEW he was in the wrong, but also believed that he had gone too far to turn back now.
Right on. And also, I think he’s basically telling Luke, not as a threat, but as a warning, that there are things about the dark side that Luke doesn’t know, and it’s just consumed Vader to the point where he can’t escape it
Not quite. The moment Vader ignited Luke's sabre and didn't kill him with it. That was the moment Luke knew.
@@heisdeadjim Nah, Penn is right. Anyone going "It's too late for me" is stating "I know I did wrong. But I feel trapped."
Luke would pick up on that. They've shown they pay attention to finder details. Just like his father really.
Anakin knew right from the beginning that he was in the wrong, but he already had gone too far to turn back. Just look at what he says just after he betrays Mace Windu: "What have I done ...?"
All those years of genocide, all those years of conquest, all those years of misery and rage, I can understand how Vader said to his son it was too late, cuz like he's done so many countless horrible things throughout his years as a Sith Lord, he can't bring himself to believe the good man he once was is still there
Luke is the one person who called Vader "Anakin" and lived
Ahsoka did too, although that being said he did try and kill her immediately after haha
Wdym,luke is his son
@@regayudafitra6236 I think the joke is Vader gets pissy if people call him Anakin lol
Thrawn deduced Vader as Anakin in the book "Thrawn: Alliances". Vader was pissed off but didn't kill him.
@@Warsie The reason why Vader gets so pissed off when people call him Anakin is because he utterly hates his past self. He regards his former self as weak, foolish, and let himself be betrayed, used, and abandoned by everyone he called 'friend'. The only person from his past he doesn't hate is his wife, and we see multiple times in canon where he tries desperately to get her back.
Luke has Padme's faith. She begged him to come back too.
Padme may also have been briefly force sensitive because she was pregnant with Luke and Leia too. As the force would be very powerful. So would want to think in some way she still felt there was good in him and was begging him to come back. Only it's belief. It just makes sense to me.
Obi-Wan watching this scene: "Okay, maybe this time I DON'T show up and antagonise him."
I mean that is his mom so...
mother like son
I like how when Luke says "come with me" Vader sort of pauses like he now finally as an option to be free but feels he's at the point of no return so he brings up "Obi Wan once thought as you do" which Vader just thought of the person he hates the most to bring him back into his hate.
“Search your feelings father. You can’t do this. I feel the conflict within you. Let go of your hate.”
“It is…too late for me, son.”
RIP James Earl Jones
Luke: Then my father is truly dead.
Vader: ..........Why did I even wake up today?
oh my god
lol
Vader doesn’t sleep, there is needles in him that keep him awake
had the exact same look as the scene where luke jumps off the spire in bespin like "well fuck you too then." or maybe he always looks like that it is a helmet after all
@@CharlotteGamesMC well actually he does have a meditation chamber where he could take off his armor and sleep if he really wanted to probably. get YOUR facts right
“It is too late for me, son”
That shredded my heart to millions of pieces. He was aware that he was too far gone into the dark side and could no longer turn back, even if he wants to…
Yes
Quite the opposite. If he had been to far gone he wouldn't have recognised or admitted that openly.
He was even aware of going too far after Order 66 when he’s seen shedding a tear.
Only a person with good in them can recognize they're committing evil.
@@Michael15_25 if he had defeated obi wan he would had killed palpatine and everything would had been fine
Stormtrooper behid Luke: Did he just say son? Holy shit dude...
Bachino2010 haha good one
Galaxy Gossips tabloid will have a massive hit with this.
they've paid with their lives for that
Well when someone older calls a younger boy “son”, it could just mean that although it’s not biological, he can still refer to the young man as “son”
@@KronoriumKid2210 bruh he is Darth Vader
2:18 That brief pause speaks volumes. You can tell Vader wishes it was just that simple - that he could just leave with his son and be done with everything.
Also, watch Vader’s body language at 3:19. He’s basically thinking to himself, “even after I fucked up and all the terrible things I’ve done, there’s still someone who loves me and has hope for me?” And this also demonstrates how he wishes it could’ve been simple like you said
@@chefalex1753 Your comment is so true that I cried 😭😭
He's also probably thinking about one of the last things Padme said to him:
"Come away with me, raise our child, and leave everything else behind while we still can!"
@@blackswan7568 He had a chance to do that, but by then he was past the point of no return. At that point, Anakin was already gone.
"It is too late for me, son." Most powerful line in this scene, and possibly the whole movie. 1: He acknowledges he screwed up and it's too late for him to turn back. 2: I believe this is one of the only times Vader ever addresses Luke as "son". If I were Luke at that point I'd be bawling saying "Daddy forget about all this and just come home with me and be like a normal family".
I have always thought that when Luke says "Then my father is truly dead" and Vader stands there alone after Luke is escorted away, that Vader begins to think to himself that this was not supposed to be what became of him and he wonders with great sadness about his life had he stayed in the Jedi order or at the very least, not turned to the dark side and raised Luke (Idk if he knows about Leia at this point) and what his life would have been.
EpiDemic117 Exactly
EpiDemic117 Yes, it's like he realizes after his grand pursuit of power and domination, it has led him to this - being miserable, alone and unwanted by his own son. It really all came to nothing.
tanshaomala Padme said the same thing.
Well he did call him son in empire strikes back when he communicated him through the force after their 1st fight.
I love the misdirect when Vader ignites the lightsaber. You think he’s going to attack Luke out of rage and offense at what Luke just said. But it turns out to be a completely harmless gesture, as he just inspects it, then turns it off again almost immediately, and engages in a very human and intimate conversation with Luke. A small moment that subtly indicates so much. He doesn’t want to hurt Luke and he is no longer as much of a threat to Luke as he used to be.
Why would he attack Luke? The Emperor wants him turned to the dark side.
@@jdb2002 Luke looks briefly nervous when he hears the saber ignite. Even if logically he knows Vader won’t harm him for one reason or another it’s the equivalent of hearing someone cocking a loaded gun behind your back. Luke knows trying to redeem Vader is a huge gamble.
I jumped out of my skin in the theater when that happened.
@@taramaforhaikido7272 if you didn’t feel that particular way that’s cool. I’m sure there are people who didn’t. I know for a lot of a fact a lot of people were startled for a second just like Luke was when he heard the saber ignite.
Also Luke’s goal was NOT to meet the Emperor. It was to talk to Vader and convince him to redeem himself.
Luke says this himself 1:32 to 1:45
“I know there is good in you… the Emperor hasn’t driven it from you fully. It’s why you couldn’t destroy me. That’s why you WON’T take me to the Emperor now.”
Vader responds by igniting the saber. Almost like saying “you’re wrong Luke.” And you can see Luke’s confidence in his previous statement falter. For just a second.
2:16
Luke tries to reach Vader again.
“Come with me!”
And Vader takes him to the Emperor. Luke was wrong there but he still had faith in his father even if there were times of doubt.
I think it was a reminder to Luke of just what he was trying to do. Luke almost sounds cocky when he says that Vader won't take him to the Emperor. Igniting the lightsaber was a reminder to him that he held none of the power in the situation and trying to get to Vader emotionally is a move you have to make very, VERY carefully.
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Your thoughts betray you father,
I feel the good in you
Good one
Mike Gale very nice one indeed
Mike Gale ahahaha I give you credit for that one 😂👌
I am the Senate good, good. Let the rhymes flow through you.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Now just let the hate
Flow right through you
"Then my father truly is dead"
That was very painful for Vader to hear. Luke is the last family he has. the last thing Padme gave him. and Luke declares him not his father right in Vader's face. what was left inside of Vader had just been broken by his own son rejecting him.
Definitely although I gotta add that the obi wan show gave us this line as well with obi wan saying "then my friend is truly dead" and somehow it makes this one feel even more heavy
Leia crying in a corner
And it’s the blink that Luke gives after saying that line that gets to me too. Like dang, that’s my son saying I don’t even exist when I’m right here.
@@daveblackman816And also the way Luke keeps looking at him after getting into the elevator.
I think he said that to get him thinking more, which obviously worked.
"Then my father is truly dead."
Probably the worst injury Vader had ever taken.
"Probably the worst injury Vader had ever taken."
That and Luke choosing a s**cide drop off the bridge on Bespin over joining him and living as a galactic Jedi prince.
And Luke didn't really believe it, obviously, since he kept trying to get through to him later. He just said it to get a reaction from Vader, and whether he could sense it or not, he certainly got one.
" Then my friend is truly gone"
Obi- wan
" Then my father is truly dead"
Luke
You can tell Luke saying that bought Vader back to the only other person who ever cared about him
Yes, but to me, it was proof that Obi Wan didn't lie to Luke about Vader betraying and murdering Anakin
@@joey2894 Luke said that purposely so that Darth Vader would have to consider what he was doing and if it aligned with his true self, which he had been running away from all those years. Luke was the only one who could get him to do that. He didn't turn immediately, but it planted a seed deep within him that came out when the Emperor was torturing him.
Vader seemed genuinely hurt by the idea that Luke was more disappointed in him than angry. Hate and anger are emotions Vader knows all too well. They're the Sith's source of power, after all. But disappointment is something else. Luke truly expected better of his father and Vader could not meet those expectations. When Luke says, "Then my father is truly dead", it's out of heartbreak, not outrage. If anyone knows what it means to hurt those you love, it's Anakin. He often hurt those he loved on the path to save them. It isn't until the very end that Vader finally saved someone he truly loved and became the person Luke knew he was.
He has a lot of respect for his son. He knows he's a good person. And a better man than he is
@@stevencoardvenice Amazing comment. And sad, too. Thanks for that.
Well said👍
This is a wonderful scene... particularly how Luke completely (emotionally) disarms Vader. Vader is expecting Luke to be the cocky, defiant young rebel he met in Empire... someone who hates him. That Luke has matured and is calm and peaceful and is appealing to Vader's humanity... that was unexpected. It's all there in Jones's vocal performance. He starts off sounding like the antagonistic, hate-filled Vader from a New Hope... and at times, begins to sound like a father talking to his son. That his son is disappointed in him hurts him more than if his son merely hated him. He is too familiar with being hated for that particular emotion to even register.
Don't forget the dude in the suit. Imagine being placed in that, being told you have to convey emotion, and absolutely killing it.
@@spiffygonzales5899 , indeed. A masterful combination between David Prowse and James Earl Jones.
@@spiffygonzales5899 True! Prowse's physical performance added to the character's intimidating image
Luke is just a true jedi
@@klauskeller6380 He just collected most of the LEGO Studs.
David Prowse deserves so much credit for the body acting/ language. Just the slight nod of the head, side ways glance, drop of the shoulders just expresses so much of how he is feeling in response to Luke’s words of disappointment & compassion for his father.
I watch this and it makes me abhor the new trilogy so much. How can this Luke so full of love, compassion & hope for his father, who has committed so many ghastly crimes in the name of the Darkside, betray & forget his principles & emotions so easily when it comes to his nephew, who has only up that point shown potential for darkness.
Agreed on all counts. Mr. Prowse is one of the unsung heroes of Star Wars. The ST was just trash. They ruined Luke's character.
We don’t count Disney Star Wars as real Star Wars. After episode 6 there is no more Star Wars.
I've stopped anything Star Wars after The Last Jedi turd. I've erased both sequels from my drive. Only the 1-6 remain in my collection.
Prowse will always have his flowers with the SW faithful 🔥
@@jarnoldn5 Since they trashed Lucas scripts I think we can say that. Star Wars is a story from George Lucas mind. We might not have liked his sequels, but it would have been hard to argue they "weren't Star Wars".
“Obiwan once thought as you do”
You can feel so much pain in his voice it’s heart breaking
you dont know the power of the dark side, i must obey my master.
Even though obi wan never thought as Luke did, as the terrible Obi wan show just had to underline
@@RocketdogandSeptembrif on the show obiwan has just said...come with me. Let me help you and leave that suit.
Vader: ...its too late for me, master.
Something like that
@@RocketdogandSeptembr yea the Obi Wan show literally accomplished nothing.
When Vader says "It Is too late for me, Son." he doesn't sound like one of the most feared Sith lords to ever exist, he sounds like a dad trying to console his son. I know it's been mentioned hundreds of times in these comments, but that was Anakin speaking, not Vader.
he knows by the end of this, one of them, if not both, will die.
So powerful
That's the whole point: Anakin is Vader. It was Anakin who slaughtered the Jedi, Anakin who tortured Leia and Han, Anakin who dismembered Luke. There is no alternate personality. There is, and has always been, only Anakin.
@@Cailus3542 I hate the *very* recent take that somehow Vader is a separate personality from Anakin. It makes zero sense. There would be no reason for him to hate Obi Wan and the Jedi, to think of Padme, to have resentment against Palpatine, to consider Luke *Skywalker* to be *his* son and to want to have Luke rule at his side if he weren't just Anakin consumed by the Dark Side, which has had zero "split personality" effects on any other Sith Lord that we've seen (Palpatine certainly had no identity crisis).
You don't just stop being you. The labels of names matters little. What's important is that VADER is being genuine in what he says.
Vader's mistake is trying to reject his past instead of accepting it. It's what fuels his anger.
"Its too late for me son..."
one of my favorite quotes in Star Wars honestly
Sab Lee not much of a quote if you say that people can think of any movie that has that but a quote like you don't know the power of the dark side is star wars
+A.P.V Jr its my personal favorite quote. i didnt say it was the best
Mine is GONK
Yes me too. The Dark Lord think about the right way. A deep conflict in the Dark Lord heart. A fight between Light and darkness.
Mine is "you underestimate my power"
Vader lingering and seeming distant after the elevator closed was always one of my favorite scenes as a kid. Always seemed like the most human moment he had to me.
0:55 I bet that Imperial Commander was pretty pleased with himself after actually getting praise from Darth Vader, bet that doesnt happen often!
+Alex Craig He's just glad he didn't get Force Choked.
Luke just went up and turned himself in he didnt put up a fight with his Imperial Captors
Yeah, that should maybe give him protection from a mistake he makes within the next hour or so aside from, you know, being killed that instant,
No kidding lol. I'd be giving myself pats on the back
maybe because vader is softer in this movie than he was in the previous two
We can clearly see how there is really a conflict inside Vader. Darth Vader, dark lord of the Sith, usually acts with brutality and with anger. Confident of what he does, harsh with his subordinates. Here, we can clearly see Vader on a depression. He doesn't talks in a fully direct way, nor with a high voice. He is calmed, like bored. When Luke said that there was a conflict within him, a normal Vader would had answered with words of how he is more powerful than ever. But he just says that it is too late for him.
That was the most important line. "No hope for me." Hope = turning back to the good side. He realizes his son is right, but feels he is too far gone. Look at the very end how he reflects to himself. God damn, other than the Ewoks this movie is a masterpiece.
***** But he kind like sounds like he doesn't cares. He knew that the emperor wanted his son to replace him, he even says "he is your new master now". The character development of Vader till this point is perfection!!!
Yeah, it really is sad watching his progression, he lost all hope for himself.
chopperbubba That's true, in episode 5, he didn't even showed emotion when luke jumped. Here, the dark side really destroyed his soul. He didn't felt hatred here, he felt depressed, disappointed with himself, only wanting to die. Like I said, he talks like if he is bored, and even tells Luke that Sidius is his new master now. He knew Sidious was going to replace him, and he didn't cared.
i agree with you, but i think the line that always impressed me is when luke said: "then my father is truly death", Vader reaction was impresive, the first real encounter with his son, he tell him a devastating thing like you´re death to me
The 'look' on Vader's face when he finds out Luke surrendered. It's like he's thinking, "What in the blue blazes were you thinking, son?!"
Lol, never noticed that before like that. Good catch!
You can't see his face... His 'face' never changes emotions
You can see expressions on Vader's face? you have better eyesight than me for sure.
he can see body language
Hannah Killian the emperor forseen it.
Let's appreciate how Obi Wan trained 2 skywalkers successfully.. truly underrated for a master.
"Successfully"
*1 was trained "successfully"
@@SatansGreatestSoldierno actually both of the 2 were trained successfully in the fact and sense that they both became Jedi knights.
@@adamtajyar and one of those Jedi Knights ended up with a ruined life.
@@SatansGreatestSoldier - You can't put that all on Obi-Wan though. He could only train Anakin, it is not his fault or responsibility to save Anakin from himself. The council as a whole and Palpatine are more at fault for Anakin's ruined life than any mistakes Obi-Wan made during Anakin's training.
2:51 just speaks to me on so many volumes.
Darth Vader workout routine when?
Dude you’re everywhere lmao
Love your vids
@@cal8338 I’ll help you out
Step 1. Locate a river of lava
It’s never too late, man.
The Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker is perfect; lost his mother, lost his apprentice, lost his master, lost his wife, believed his children was dead for nearly 2 decades, but never *TRULY* lost his son and had saved him in the end, along with his daughter ironically, by killing Sidious and saving the galaxy forever, but sadly no one ever knew how the Emperor truly died. This, my friends, is the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker.
Luckily, his son, Luke Skywalker, and his grandchildren, Jaina, Jacen, Anakin, Ben, and the rest that came after continued the name of the Skywalker family and redeemed it in the face of the galaxy despite all the struggles.
bad news, Jaina solo is not canon
@@bradleybrown5947 ;-;
Anakin did exactly as he was created to do
It was his destiny to destoy the sith and the jedi
He was to bring equal BALANCE not win for the jedi or Sith and he did exactly that
Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Vader the wise?
Jaina Solo was in Legends. She was never canonized.
This was the first scene ever that humanizes Vader.
When Luke calls him father, he shows pleasant surprise (1:16).
Then Luke makes the point about Vader purposely not killing Luke because he couldn’t bring himself to kill his son. It’s like Vader agrees with Luke but wants to change the subject because he feels uncomfortable 1:49.
Then he is truly proud that Luke constructed a light saber 2:00.
He mentions Obi Wan and you can tell he is remembering him more as the friend that tried to save him 2:21.
When he tells Luke “you don’t know the power of the dark side”, I don’t think Vader is bragging. He is essentially saying, you don’t know the how much the dark side has a power over me. 2:27.
Then he says it’s too late for me 2:52 which signifies that Vader has thought about it but believes he is too fargone and has so much guilt about the past.
Then when Luke tells him that his father is truly dead, Vader is left hurt and deep in thought 3:29.
Powerful story telling.
Yeah great storytelling. A level of storytelling the prequels wish they could reach.
"Show don't tell.." This was a really great scene, because it humanized what was thought to be the most ruthless force in all the galaxy other than the Emperor himself, ending the lives of anyone that stood against him and then here's this kid, directly contradicting the powerhouse and not even being threatened, but fully paid attention to by the dark lord.
@@wallamazoo01 Return of the Jedi is not my favorite Star Wars movie but it does contain some of my favorite scenes and has fantastic storyline regarding Luke and Vader’s completed character arc.
@@sparkingred66 prequels at least have story to tell. Sequels are simply inadequate
@@sparkingred66 They do
You know Luke is probably the only person to call him Anakin Skywalker without receiving an immediately, violent altercation from him. I bet Luke knew calling him that would make him react that way, and when he didn't react with his usually "life-ending viscousness", that confirmed exactly that Luke knew he was the one who could bring him back.
Most people never knew Vader was actually Anakin Skywalker. Publicly, Anakin died in the Purge. Only Ahsoka, Yoda and Obi-Wan knew outside of the Emperor.
@@sorrenblitz805 "You, my friend, are all that's left of [the Jedi's] religion." This line indicates to me that Tarkin also knew.
@@sorrenblitz805If i'm not mistaken, Tarkin knew as did Thrawn
2:25 "You don't know the power of the dark side. I *must* obey my master."
Knowing how sadistic and cruel the Emperor is, and how he's tortured Vader and many others so many times before, this line hits pretty hard. Vader is a murderer, but I can't help feeling bad for him. He is again what he was for so long before the Jedi found him. Vader is a slave.
He's also trying to tell Luke that there are things about Palpatine that Luke doesn't know. It was like a dad trying to secretly warn his son.
In Empire the line was “if you only knew the power of the dark side” making it seem like its something he knew he loved and wanted, here he’s something he literally can’t escape because the consequences are dire
@@FalconsEye58094 well if I remember correctly succumbing to the dark side slowly cuts you off from the light side so if someone becomes a full blown sith lord like Vader has there's literally nothing left for him on the otherside. He's been Vader longer then he was a Skywalker, being a sith is legit all he's ever known since a young man. its kinda like those extremely old married couples who've been together since high-school but no longer love each other, they won't leave because for 30 years its the only life they've known. Vader is also acknowledging that he's actually good deep down inside as he's aware he's done too many wrongs and feels like he doesn't deserve redemption
Not sure if anyone has noticed the parallels but it's ironic that Anakin went back to being a slave again.
@@R0NYFL0NY Oh My God. Yer SO DAMN RIGHT. As Yes. When Anakin became Darth Vader, He became a slave to the Dark side as the Dark side just Blinded Him an made him CRAVE more Power and he also became a slave to Darth Sidious. As Darth sidious Brainwashed Anakin into thinking the Jedi are evil an that Every1 had turned against Anakin... All Anakin did as Darth Vader was just feed the dark side an help Darth sidious Spread the Evil vile Plague that was the Galactic Empire which resulted in the death's of Million's of Innocent Live's. Vader/Anakin is a DAMN FOOL. Like, The Jedi did not betray him, HE betrayed them. And The Jedi and The Light Side did Not Kill his Wife. HE DID. As he broke her Heart SOOO BADLY when She Knew he'd turned into a Heartless Murderer...
“It is too late for me, son...”
That line hits so powerfully. You can hear that deep down, Vader wants to turn towards the light and be free from the pain. But he feels that’s he’s too far gone to be saved. It truly is saddening.
I always felt Vader was wanting to hug Luke so much on this scene and used all of his power to not do it
I always felt it too! It's feeling on scenes in Vader's redemption and their ending. Body language of David Prows is amazing because he makes brilliant drama without unnatural tears!
“that’s why you won’t bring me to your emperor now.”
fun fact: luke was actually using the jedi mind trick on vader while saying this line. both of them knew it was useless...BUT, underneath that helmet, vader couldn’t help but feel a little bit proud of his son for exhibiting his power.
it’s in the novel.
What novel? There's a novel??
@@jimbodjango8900 there are novels for each star wars film that are canon
Pretty pathetic star wars always has more add ons through books instead of showing through film.
@@harambelives7083 better films need not to do this. Even in the OT a lot is conveyed through he film medium alone
@@KrillintheVillain all im saying is as a new fan to star wars in 2021, I hate that when i need a question answered im met with "ReAd ThE bOoKs" or watch "ClOnE WaRs." How about i just want my movie to explain it to me?
Luke: “Let go of your hate.”
Vader: “I... I hate sand. Always have.”
Luke: Even sand is better than being "old wrinkly's" bitch, Father.
@@chrismc410 Luke: "pocket sand!" *throws handful at vader's respirator*
Vader: "AAAUUGGGHH! MY ONE WEAKNESS!" *vigorously swatting it away from his face*
And just so you know, Luke likes Sand
Vader: "I also hate the low ground."
He hated obi wan too 🧔
"Then my father is truly dead"
you can tell that hit Vader right in the feels
RIP James Earl Jones you were an amazing actor with one of the most iconic voices in history.
1:47
Vader be like: "Crap... I knew he would take this to akward level....quick, something else to talk about...THE SABER!!"
yeah lol!! this scene feels so real!! people love SW for the special effects but the story is almost impeccable
+Killjoy45 jesus fucking christ i laughed so hard after going back and watching with this in mind
The plucking sounds right after just makes it so much funnier, haha!
+Killjoy45 How many younglings have you killed with it?
+Killjoy45 You sir, have won the internet.
This really is an incredible scene. When Luke is talking to Vader about still being good, you can see the gears in Vader's head turning. Though we only see a black mask, we can see through it. You know what i mean?
Yes!
Spoiler Alert: I think it's even more prominent when you see Vader during the final scene when he has to choose Emperor Palpatine or his son Luke during the Emperor's force lightning torture.
They made different masks to convey different emotions
Luke is using the same tactic the Emperor uses. Pull at Anakins heart. Prequels the Emperor uses Anakins wife to turn him. RoTJ. Luke uses...his son...
Star Wars use to be a human drama, it was beyond the cold masks of some characters. We can see and feel their humanity. And we fell in love with them for their fears and imperfections. Rey, in the other hand…. Pfffff.
Vader: Good work Commander.
Random Stormtrooper: What good work? He surrendered! He literally could not have made it easier for us.
Other Commander: *Dope Slap* Don't question him, just take the compliment so he won't choke you.
*****, coming from someone like Lord Vader, you don't see this kind of thing every day.
Vader did not expect that Luke would do this: trying to force his hand.
Luke likely mind tricked the officer and stormtroopers while surrendering.
"I am surrendering to you and you will bring me to Vader as your captive. I am armed only with this."
*hands weapon to officer*
"Lord Vader will be proud of you, and you will be promoted."
*stops using the force and the officer forgets that Luke surrendered intentionally, beginning to probe Luke about other nearby Rebels...
"I am alone." Luke says, without using a mind trick.
If it’s from Vader, take the damn win.
Beautiful how a gesture as simple as walking to the ledge and holding onto the rail silently can say so much without a word muttered.
The best part for body language honestly.
If Anakin wasn't wearing his suit when Luke said... "Then my father is truly dead", we as the audience would be able to see how much of an affusive fountain of tears he would've been at that point. As a parent to have your own child or children express their utmost disappointment in you for your heinous transgressions , if that doesn't make you beat yourself up to a bloody pulp mentally, then I don't know what will.
Spot on. I like how you referred to Anakin and not Vader, because when he said, “it’s too late for me son,” that’s not Vader speaking, that’s Anakin
@@chefalex1753 real
But they showcased well how he felt darth vader couldn't even hold himself up homie had to hold on to the railing
@@inyourgranmaass3605 It was a bitter victory for Luke mind. Just before the doors closed, you could just barely see the expression on his face as if to say... "I'm sorry father, but you seem to be too far gone for me to help you now." Just like in Revenge of the Sith, it shows that in spite of his immense raw power, Anakin was still as fragile as he was before he turned.
Who else heard a bit of tenderness in vader's voice when he said "It is to late for me son."
You just get that feeling......
Am I the only one who thinks that Vader over used the word ''complete'' in this series? I mean seriously pay attention, he says it like 20 times it's bugging me
@@CosmicTeapot Lol
Son Of Montreal It’s Vader projecting his desire for completeness in his life, which he has never had because he’s always been suffering from immense pain and loss since childhood.
Who else heard a bit of agony in Luke's voice while he was being electrocuted to death?
Aka, "obviously"
Luke: Come with me Father.
Translation
Luke: Father, I don't care about what you've done in the past. I don't care about how much power we could wield. I just want you to come home.
"What home, son? I friggin toasted that crap pile on Tatooine, and for good reason, too... way too much sand."
Evolved Turtle Productions Luke: Even the sand is better than being an old man's bitch for life Father, just saying
Evolved Turtle Productions now I know you're joking but luke means home as everywhere. Plus the homestead wasn't truly anakin's home, the jedi temple was.
Vader only slaughtered numerous Rebel squadrons some of then were Lukes friends that Vader killed
Grand Inquisitor Sug The Dark Clone of Gus
Id like to interpret home as meaning with his family. To be with Luke and Leia.
Great acting. I love the way Luke looks deeply and intently at Vader especially when he arrives.
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Mark Hamill is such an underrated actor. Nobody else could’ve played Luke. His performance in the original trilogy is perfect.
The whole interaction is Luke psyching Vader out. And it does work.
Anakins love for his family and his friends was the reason for both his fall to the dark side and his return.
That's just it. Anakin truly loved Padme and Obiwan. Padme his wife and Obiwan his brother and he was loyal to death for them both but he felt backstabbed by them which angered him and helped trigger his fall further down.
Period exactly 😭😭
Anakin's greatest weakness was always that he loved too much, too strongly. He suffered greatly by losing his mother, Ahsoka, Padme, Obi-Wan, and almost his children. Ironic that, in the end, it was his son who returned that love who got through to him, and he was finally able to save someone dear to him.
Give Lucas credit where its due
I always wonder what the people like those stormtroopers are thinking hearing that Vader has a son and that he's a rebel.
When would they have found out though?
They're thinking, we better not think anything or else he'll read our minds and force choke us to death.
Wouldn't he just read that small internal conflict and Force Choke them anyway?
My guess is they were thinking: "Wow. Lord Vader has a son? And he's with the rebellion?" "I heard he's a jedi too." "Impossible we killed them like....20 years ago." "Then why does he have a lightsabre?" "He must've stole it from the temple for a submariner. What's left of it I mean." "I heard Lord Vader was a jedi too." "Good thing he joined us or we'd killed him too." "Still if that rebel is Lord Vader's son why is he against us? I mean Lord Vader's clearly the Emperor's heir. He'll probably take over the empire when the Emperor kicks the bucket then he'll need an heir too." "Yeah. But his son's with the rebellion." "Let's ask him if he'll choose one of us to be his air when he takes the throne."
Jeronimo McArthur *heir
You can hear in his voice at numerous moments how proud Vader is of Luke in this scene. The way he admires the new lightsaber he constructed himself like what Anakin did as a padawan, realises the bravery of Luke for arriving to face him alone rather than joining the Rebels in a full-scale attack, and senses the near-godlike potential of the Skywalker blood running through his veins - Vader probably wanted nothing more than to give him a hug.
In that moment was Anakin Who wants to hug Luke
A detail I don't think many people have mentioned is Vader's hesitation after Luke says 'that's why you won't bring me to your emperor now'. He looks a little lost for words, and brings attention to Luke's lightsabre as a sort of distraction.
Exactly! It’s an abrupt change of subject to avoid the conversation, and he focuses briefly on Luke’s new skills. You can hear admiration in his voice; he’s proud of his son. But Luke presses “come with me,” leaving Vader no choice but to acknowledge the elephant in the room.
Rest in Peace, David Prowse, the actor in the suit. His acting here is superb. Simple things like long glares at the elevator shaft, and walking over to the railing and resting his hand there says so much without seeing the actor in the flesh, or hearing him speak.
This is probably the best scene in the whole saga. And the line: "It is too late for me, son" is so chilling. It is because we can all relate to him. The pain, the desire to change and the harsh realization that there is no turning back. That you cannot change yourself and that whatever you do, your past will always haunt you. The beauty of this scene is that this is the tragedy that we all have to face. I for one completely underatand Vader. Well, not being a child murderer, but sometimes the weight of your past is unbearable. And you realize that there is no turning back, nothing you can do, that you have to live with the choices you made and all the pain that comes with that.
This is not the tragedy of Darth Vader, but the tragedy we all have to face. Bravo, mister Lucas for this scene alone...
Teo Koev not even close to the reveal of Rey Skywalker 🤪
Sal OC with how well this wraps up the saga it pains me to remember the sequels exist. I miss the days of tension and stakes (as well as shit that doesn’t destroy the lore)
@@ericshawn3169 don’t worry the sequels aren’t canon
That's y repentance exists. And Christ came. Repentance and forgiveness is not a destination it's a journey. It's only takes 1 step at a time. Even anakin vader needed Jesus
Who else here thinks, when Luke said, "Come with me", Vader suffered a momentary flashback of his wife and their mother saying the same thing before he choked her?
This is the line I wanted to be changed to your mother once thought as you do instead of Obi Wan
+Eamon Quinn Eh I'll have to admit that I did have quite a flashback there. I was hesitant to choke Luke, but then the emperor would have destroyed me. But yeah total flashbacks.
+Sammy Sabalesky Love always conquers evil.
I think when vader saw Luke getting electrocuted he remembered watching his mom die and failing to save his wife so he didn't want to lose his son next
+Rosita Mariposita Who honestly gave a toss about Mace Windu, 3 movies in I think we were all a little sick of him doing the Jedi Jools from Pulp Fiction - The Emperor struck him down with great vengeance and furious anger :D if anything Vader was remembering Padme'
Then my father is truly dead (Luke)
Then my friend is truly dead (Obi Wan)
Then I will avenge his death (Ahsoka)
Like poetry, it rhymes....
Indeed.
Doesnt rhyme at all you donut
If people could quit constantly throwing Ahsoka into everything, that would be great 🙄
@@zacharymccants77 Exactly! She's a garbage tier character.
@@lucifer2b666Respectfully disagree. Din Djarin is a garbage tier character. 😊
I love how up until this point, when Vader said “You don’t know the power of the dark side” or something to the effect of it, it had a boasting and confident tone to it. However, for the first time in this exchange, Vader says it once again, but in such a way that communicates basically “The dark side is far more powerful than you know, I cannot beat my master, I have to obey him”
He could have beat the ass ouf ot palpatine if he didnt burn in Mustafar
Exactly. He's not boasting about his own power here, he's warning Luke about Palpatine's. That shift is subtle but extremely important.
Insightful
He's warning Luke about the Dark Side's seduction
I hear fear rather than boast.
What Darth Vader said at 2:51, did he admit that he wishes that he could be good again, but it was too late? If you make mistakes in life, it is never too late to regret them and change yourself for the good. So, Luke was right. There was still good in Darth Vader. It just took him until the end of the movie when Palpatine was electrocuting Luke to realize it.
68corvette08 I also think he couldnt forgive himself for what he did so he thinks its too late for anyone to forgive him
blastiosemaster Dude, ain't that the truth.
68corvette08 Omd reading that I just put it all together. The last time he saw him electrocuting somebody was Mace Windu. He probably got a flash-back of that then remembered that soon after he caused Padme's death and couldn't take seeing it again so he killed his "demon" for the sake of his son which if you think about it is a symbol of the love he had for Padme. OMD I'M SO DEPRESSED NOW! LOL
adamatomic41 I feel like that is exactly what he thinks as he thought on Mustafar the Empire brought peace to everyone and realized after it didnt so he couldnt forgive himslef for making everyone suffer
Factoid Firefly I didn't think about that. That was probably one heck of a flashback.
the way JEJ delivered "It is too late for me, son" told so much about him. The fact that he delivered it in the least "Vader" way possible makes it so much better. It really felt like Anakin talking to Luke
2:26 I love this line so much because it's one of the few times (the only time I can think of) Vader says this, not to entice Luke, and not to make him fearful, but almost as a warning. Vader is not expressing how he can dominate Luke through the Dark Side, but how the Dark Side dominates him through the Emperor.
Nailed it on the head. When he says he must obey his master, he means that shit, because if he doesn’t and confronts Palpatine, he would get killed right away since Palpatine would sense it immediately
@@chefalex1753 EXACTLY!!
Exactly. There’s so much that he conveys with just those words. He’s telling Luke that he does NOT enjoy being part of the Dark Side. He is NOT happy commanding the Imperial army. He does NOT want to be doing any of this. None of this is fulfilling for him in any way. He is a trapped slave.
This movie's finale and redeeming Vader is Luke Skywalker's finest hour on film.
His calm and control here and his faith in his father despite everything makes his anger towards Vader later all the more impactful. Not just to us, but to Vader.
Seeing how his son has mastered his emotions must have made the Anakin that was still in there very proud, it's something he was never able to do.
So when Luke does lose it later and lashes out at Vader, it must really hit him seeing history repeat itself, and his son starting down the same path. Then when Luke calms himself and _still_ refuses to kill him, it shows Anakin how he could have been, that he did have a choice, and still does.
Then Roundhead Johnson ruined him in The Last Jedi
@@dboymax1: I wish time travel existed so I could go back when Johnson was a baby & Traumatize him so he NEVER does what he did!!!
I think there's a novelization of Return of the Jedi, where in his final moments, Anakin says Luke became who Anakin wanted to be. If the child becoming what the parent didn't/couldn't but wanted to doesn't make the parent proud, I don't know what will
The entire movie of Return of the Jedi we were basically seeing Anakin most of the time. Anakin was taking over his own life again from Darth Vader. Anakin was much nicer in that movie. My favorite scene is after luke kicks him the stairs and he genuinely gave Luke and Obi-Wan a huge compliment.
Thats amazing. I never realized how the ROTS scene mirrored that until now. Anakin lost himself in the dark side, because of fear. But Luke looked it in the eye and said, "No."
U can feel ANAKIN is tortured in that scene.
He always has been
I can almost see him crying
He was tortured when he fought ahsoka
"It is too late for me son" Perhaps the most heartbreaking line vader has ever said
This and the scene from rebels where Ahsoka says "I won't leave you this time" and vader responds with "Then you will die." Is also extremely heartbreaking
@@Jestrath especially hearing same voice actor from the clone wars
A heartfelt farewell to the great James Earl Jones, who passed away today.
For my money, this was his finest moment in the original trilogy. The emotion in his voice, speaking to his long-lost son, never fails to make me emotional.
Rest easy, sir.
Anakin in Episode I: "I'm a PERSON and my name is Anakin."
Vader in Episode VI: "That name no longer has any meaning for me."
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Such a sad but iconic character arc
It just signifies that Anakin truly became a slave as vader. Slave to the emperor but in the novel when he finally kills the emperor he responds to palpatine's" release me vader I am your master" with " Darth vader's master not Anakin skywalker's" that very moment when Anakin finally returns he is no longer a slave.
@@subhadeepdey3111 or more powerful to say he was a slave who although lost his freedom and was an eternal slave to the Emperor, he saved the galaxy by killing him making the ultimate sacrifice
@@Dukesparrow1999 disney : Let us introduce ourselves.
They just had to ruin it.
Luke: "you're a prisoner?"
Darth Vader: "it's all par and partial to the whole Sith Lord gig, *PHENOMENAL, COSMIC POWERS!!!!!* (knocks on his helmet) itty-bitty living space!"
Luke: "aww, Anakin, that's terrible!"
Darth Vader: "but ohh, to be free! not to have to suck up to someone all the time! (holds up picture of Watto) WHADDYA NEED? (Holds up picture of Jedi council) WHADDYA NEED? (holds up picture of Palpatine) WHADDYA NEED?....
to be _my own master!..._ such a thing would be greater than all the force powers in the world! but what am I talking about, it's never gonna happen. Vader, wake up and smell the death sticks!"
Luke: "why not?"
Vader: "the only way I get outta this, is if I let go of the dark side of the force! so! you can guess how often THAT'S happened."
Luke: "i'll do it! I'll help you let go of the dark side!"
Darth Vader: "yeah. uh-huh. VVVVVP!"
Luke: "no, really! After you take me to the emperor, I'll help you break free!"
Anakin: "well.....here's hoping...."
I have always liked how determined, resolute, and unafraid Luke is in this scene. After,their last encounter at Bespin you might expect Luke to be at least a little intimidated but instead he stares Darth Vader down right from the start. At Bespin Luke still carried a blaster, but now "he is armed only with this," a lightsaber. He has truly become a Jedi, not just in terms of skill with a lightsaber, but in terms of maturity and an inner strength of character. "That's why you won't take me to your emperor now," was Luke trying to use a 'Jedi mind trick' to influence Vader, trying to get through to him by using the Force to get him to think? "Then my father is truly dead," Luke shakes his head in disappointment and walks away, the clear winner in this verbal and mental confrontation.
+Don Gilleo I agree , I think vader wasn't ready for it.
I always thought "You wont take me to your Emperor now" has a few meanings here. Vader knows the Emperor has foreseen Luke destroying them both, and Vader knows exactly just how powerful Palpatine is. Luke also was told "You do not yet realize your importance" from Vader, and all three know he is a full Jedi at this point.
Luke is very aware of his own skills at this point, so it is time to follow the will of the Force. He also believes he has the fail safe of the rebel fleets attack on the death star after the shield is down as an ace in the hole. He also is using emotional blackmail to possibly temp the offer Vader gave him in their last meeting that he would betray the Emperor to rule the galaxy as father and son. He knows he isnt loyal to Palpatine, two vs one is better odds. For Luke it is his best tactical odds to defeat the Emperor, even if he dies in an exploding death star.
While Luke wasnt willing to sacrifice Han and Leia on Bespin, even though Yoda told him "if you honor what they fight for, yes." He was willing to sacrifice himself 100% for the rebel cause.
2:51 this shows that the dark side has lost his grip on Vader and he feels guilt for his actions, yet he still feels he is beyond redemption.
until he doesnt n kills palpatine lol
@@bevrosity *almost
@@Pumpkin525 well, i think he actually killed his clone, did he not?
thats how he felt on mustafar as well, only the dark side still had a grip on him
RIP James Earl
Jones, thank you for bringing this amazing character to life! You will always be Darth Vader to me.
I love how it went from, “You don’t know the power of the Dark Side” to try to drag Luke into the power aspect of the force, to, ‘I know the Dark Side; I must obey my master or I will die.”
And then for Vader to look at his son as he walks away... almost like a silent goodbye as if he was sending him to die. Then, a moment of self reflection as he gazes at Endor.
Great attention to detail, Lucas.
Sad thing is that one video showed an interesting theory that had Vader nor saved Luke on the Death Star, Palpatine would have killed Luke, ordered Vader to throw Luke into the shaft that he was thrown, and then Palpatine would have choke lifted Vader like he does Kylo Renn, and thrown Vader down the shaft too.
Lucas didn’t direct this.
@@dvdtv1234 true, but he did have enormous sway over the story for it is, in fact, his story
Doesn’t mean he is responsible for every detail or decision. Directors don’t come up with every idea anyway. Many people work on a movie/tv show.
@@dvdtv1234 True, but Richard Marquand was a director for hire. Lucas chose him because he was too busy with ILM to helm the movie himself...but he had to step in for several VFX sequences anyway as Marquand had no experience in such matters.
I really wanted to introduce my girlfriend to Star Wars. She didn't like the prequels that much, but since ANH her attitude changed drastically. And then came RotJ and this scene. With this scene she finally realized what Star Wars is truly about. She was really moved at the finale and when Anakin showed, she burst into tears.
Im glad you got to introduce someone to star wars because
First i broke up with my girlfriend yesterday
Second none of my friends are truly interested
Sounds very similar to my first experience with star wars
My girl and I just watcehd the prequals she absolutely loved them and now I'm showing her the OT soon., Curious to see if she'll like them more or less after her love for the first 3. Suprsingly loved the phantom menace which was great.
my gf fell asleep in a new hope-_- we are not the same (sadly ) bro
It's better to show them in the order of release. The prequels, if seen before, kinda ruin the surprise of the "father revelation" but when you know how everything will end they take on more of a Greek tragedy form. Character doomed by destiny to succumb to their flaws and be brought down by fate
That uneasiness in Luke's face when Vader activates his lightsaber. It says so much with so little effort. Always loved that little moment, absolutely superb acting on Mark Hamill's part and excellent directing on Richard Marquand's part.
The little moment at the end when Vader steps to the side is powerful. It’s a hint that his encounter with Luke affected him in a way he wasn’t prepared for.
The feels. And Vader's even wearing an expressionless mask. That's how good this is.
Mark Hamill is an amazing actor. He has never gotten enough credit for his ability to spin Lucas' (at times) inane dialogue into gold on screen.
chopperbubba I agree, people always give credit to Harrison Ford and other actors but overlook Hamill. I feel that because Ford became such a big movie star over time people forget about Hamill who didnt do much acting later. He did a great job in each movie, portraying the characters different thoughts and attitude in each film.
Rod Lightning On the contrary. He recieved so much credit. It's why he was typecast as Luke Skywalker and why it crippled his acting career. A damned shame. He has such obvious talent in movies like Slipstream, but he's stuck with movies like Wing Commander. A damned shame.
How Do Ya Like Me Now, Chucklehead? Not really a film but he did voice the main baddy in Avatar the Last Airbender and his voice work was really good. I didn't know it was him originally but finding out it was was actually a shock.
Raiyuki Milstein
He does a lot of voice work these days, yes, but it's not really quite as rewarding, is it?
I watched an interview where he said he hates doing live action and he much rather do voice work because he's not self conscious about his facial expressions and other live action things.
Love Vader in this scene. No one has actually spoken to him in a very long time, and you can see Luke hits him deep. He was only this vulnerable to Luke or Leia.
I actually wonder sometimes how this scene would have gone with Leia instead of Luke as the Jedi (ignoring that she was raised on Alderaan). She would have most likely still surrendered to Vader but probably would have spoken with much more brutal honesty.
Yeah and I love how he just stands behind Luke while he's talking. He really seems out of words, it feels really different compared to the their meeting in Cloud CIty
For all the action, jokes and special effects, this remains my favorite Star Wars scene of all time. The beginning of the most important sequence… The Redemption Arc… The last time we see Vader in a position of power as well. There’s just so much to dissect, it is beautiful!
The return of the Jedi
Just like an average conversation I have with my dad
terminate all meatbags
+Joe Ayers kill all humans!
-Bender
Luke doesn't truly feel that his father is dead. He knows there's still good left inside of him.
U have conversations with youre father??
Wait...did your dad also cut one of your arm ? 😬
2:51 I always liked this line. It’s almost like Vader wants to be freed of the Dark Side, but he feels that it’s already consumed him entirely
also, he's done things that can't be redeemed, like killing countless innocent people
@@saullandiof5768 And children
@@concept5631 And women
@@TheRealHotdogboyThey're like animals!
@@YuuyaKZMIAnd he slaughtered them like animals, he hates them!
Man the view on that death star is kinda relaxing not gonna lie
death star's always pleasant to look at down on a planet until you start to see a beam heading towards you....
@@hobomike6935 😆
@@hobomike6935 Or until the rebels destroy the death star and you see its chunks heading down towards Endor and have to get on a starship to escape
The Throne Room is gorgeous. Just because the Emperor is a cruel and evil tyrant doesn’t mean he has an aversion to relaxing.
@@hobomike6935 *holds up a giant mirror*
When Vader says its too late, that is actually the turning point for him. Luke's faith in his father's goodness has him wanting to believe. Sideous originally used fear to tempt Vader to the dark side, Luke now tenpts him back to the light through love. Very good writing, almost Shakespearean in it's symmetry.
That "its too late for me son" is such a Shakespearean line, its just a few a words but says so much about Vaders emotional and mental state. That was him basically saying that he doesn't deserve the redemption Luke wants to bring him, that wasn't Vader speaking but Anakin Skywalker letting his guard down briefly to speak to his son honestly and it also proved that what Luke said was true, Vader still had some good in him as only a good person will acknowledge that they've done wrong and feel like they don't deserve forgiveness
spot on
It WAS too late. He'd killed too many people