My F82 M4 Gets an M-Performance TITANIUM Exhaust! Sound Clips + Overview

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  • I FINALLY got the exhaust system I always wanted for my BMW M4. The M Performance Exhaust is a factory produced system that offers a pretty loud note with a clean, smooth sound for the S55 engine. I think it is one of the best sounding out there and it is pretty light, especially since the muffler is made from titanium. What do you guys think? Let me know your thoughts in the comment section down below. Cheers!
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  • @alextasarov1341
    @alextasarov1341 3 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    I can’t get over how much better the f82 looks compared to the g82

    • @simonbttger5630
      @simonbttger5630 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Same its actually insane!

    • @jnow10
      @jnow10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I agree except the g82 has more exotic and aggressive body lines and cooler taillights, but you can’t beat the f82 front end it’s perfect

    • @alextasarov1341
      @alextasarov1341 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@jnow10 I do like the lights! There is a lot I like about the g82 but I don’t like how smoothed out the body is compared to the f82. I like the sharp lines, in my opinion, the f82 is more aggressive but that’s just me.

    • @bengriffin5146
      @bengriffin5146 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alextasarov1341 the f82 looks amazing but feels very much an M3 coupé however the G82 has its own thing going on

    • @simonbttger5630
      @simonbttger5630 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jnow10 yep masterwork honestly, its sad they didnt keep that look and just modernized it

  • @c.d.m.3821
    @c.d.m.3821 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    2:05... That s14 though ❤️

  • @usernamealreadytaken770
    @usernamealreadytaken770 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Congrats on the new new exhaust. My friend got an M4 Comp with the M Performance Exhaust and his sounds surprisingly good.

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks bro! Yea i’m really pleased with it, sounds awesome especially in person

  • @shayanrahimi4754
    @shayanrahimi4754 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Sounds so insane wow. Loving the more frequent uploads too!

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you brotha! Glad you like the setup

  • @billymahango9793
    @billymahango9793 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You should consider an equal length mid pipe, it's a night and day difference🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾

    • @romeokristanvarela5117
      @romeokristanvarela5117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I agree AA equal length

    • @Mike-dd8bd
      @Mike-dd8bd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Its honestly crazy to me people don`t realize this is the only way these cars sound good.

    • @Smackyourlibup
      @Smackyourlibup 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bingo

    • @charleswatson3951
      @charleswatson3951 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have an m4. Would you change anything else or keep it stock and just equal length mids?

    • @billymahango9793
      @billymahango9793 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Charles Watson I would put full bolt-ons on the car and tune it, but you can also put the midpipe only and it'll sound pretty good. If you can afford a full exhaust, you could get an equal length exhaust from Valentronic Designs, in my opinion it sounds better than the AA equal length midpipe🤔

  • @Silentdp
    @Silentdp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was thinking about EL midpipes but I kinda like the sound of the s55 exhaust note especially with that mpe or even the comp. Definitely a must cop, but $3500-$5000☠️☠️. People be hating but the s55 exhaust note has a resemblance to the e36/e46’s.

    • @tractioncontroldelete
      @tractioncontroldelete 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed! Stock reminds me of the E36 M3 the most. EL sound E46 like. I honestly think a lot of the criticism comes from folks who 1) have not heard the car in real life and 2) have not heard the car over 4000rpm

    • @Silentdp
      @Silentdp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tractioncontroldelete yep once you drive it, it’s a different experience and oooo after 4K 🤭🤭 and that 7.25k redline. Ik it’s not like e46 8k or Porsche 9k but for turbo car its sickkk.

    • @tractioncontroldelete
      @tractioncontroldelete 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Silentdp exact-o-mundo!!!

  • @mohammadabbas7596
    @mohammadabbas7596 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    is it possible to attach the m performance exhaust to the stock exhaust midpipe and use the valves from the stock exhaust instead of buying the midpipe and values as i got the muffler piece only without the midpipe

  • @suhailjamil3909
    @suhailjamil3909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I also have an M performance titanium exhaust on my 2018 M4 competition. Personally I think its the best sounding system for the M3/M4.
    I would definitely not go for equal length midpipes because it loses the M dna and characteristics, and sound more like a Toyota supra. What you have now is the exact what I have. 👌

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep i agree. MPE is the best sounding for these cars hands down! No equal length for me i enjoy the sound as is. I did a secondary cat delete also and it really woke up the sound and added another level of depth with more volume

    • @thewanderer5124
      @thewanderer5124 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Equal length sounds so much better are you crazy?

    • @Andy-jd3kk
      @Andy-jd3kk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Simply Car Things Is the secondary cat delete basically the same as having an AA single midpipe?

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thewanderer5124 equal length sounds like a v6 to me

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Andy-jd3kk not quite because the MPE has its own midpipe. Which is an H-Pipe by design, not single

  • @jbrown7403
    @jbrown7403 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! I like the shaking tips around the 1:27 mark :) I have the MPE exhaust with the CF tips on my F82 and I’m very happy with the appearance and the sound. Nice to hear all the sounds w/o being in the cockpit 👍

  • @calebcross983
    @calebcross983 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I vote AA downpipes, resonated equal-length midpipe and MPE

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that would sound pretty sweet! Im down if they sponsor me lol

    • @ronintheamazon1492
      @ronintheamazon1492 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Downpipes with mpe and aa mp sounds awful i had it

    • @calebcross983
      @calebcross983 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which midpipe was it? The single midpipe or the equal length midpipe?

    • @calebcross983
      @calebcross983 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which midpipe was it? The single midpipe or the equal length midpipe?

  • @mrquestionnaire7368
    @mrquestionnaire7368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What’s up Omar, love the vids ! How do you feel about the lengthy exhaust tips ? Personally it’s not my cup of tea as it sticks out past the diffuser bugs me a little but how do you think somebody can solve that ?

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the tips are fully adjustable. they're designed to stick out a tad bit to reveal the etched m logos, and also its ideal to have them in that position if you opt for a carbon fiber rear diffuser.

  • @rickybobby3043
    @rickybobby3043 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video made me buy an f80 M3 Austin Yellow in Murrieta. So far, great car. Thanks for posting your videos.

  • @crysis112
    @crysis112 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey bro i am your viewer from Azerbaijan👍🏻
    Why MPE on zcp and non zcp sounds different?
    Even tuned non zcp with zcp tune with mpe sounds not loud as stock zcp with mpe

  • @Streamlined955
    @Streamlined955 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like that you don’t have a stock intro and just get right to the new footage.

  • @Jbonly21
    @Jbonly21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One of the best sounding F80’s exhaust 💯🔥🔥.

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      💯 i watched your videos prior to purchasing it actually lol

    • @Jbonly21
      @Jbonly21 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimplyCarThings Thanks man 👍🏿👍🏿, really appreciate it.

  • @Mike-gb8km
    @Mike-gb8km 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Should my m performance exhaust hold a lot of condensation, 5/10 white smoke on a cold start for 15 mins or so, and have discoloration around some exhaust tips but not all ? Like white sort of residue ? I’m fearing there’s a coolant leak honestly but it’s not thick smoke and definitely not constant or overwhelming

  • @YoungL_rd
    @YoungL_rd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love almost everything about f8X besides the sound. Worst sounding bmw ever.

  • @LiamSkateskinda
    @LiamSkateskinda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yooooo the s14 tho!

  • @alextasarov1341
    @alextasarov1341 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:26 anyone else see this xD

  • @seollenda
    @seollenda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Will you get the AA Equal Length Midpipes?

  • @talhakhan9162
    @talhakhan9162 ปีที่แล้ว

    I expected more burbles

  • @SuperHogwart
    @SuperHogwart ปีที่แล้ว

    check out the new valvetronic exhaust solution for the f80/f82

  • @bengriffin5146
    @bengriffin5146 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Congratulations Omar! Not only does the MPE sounds great, but it also looks a million times better! The stock muffler makes me go🤢

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      agreed! that stock muffler is a total eye sore!

  • @Drake_Dawley
    @Drake_Dawley ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have a video on your wheels?? Damn that's the perfect look I'd like to go for

  • @KimboDogg07
    @KimboDogg07 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude saved up all his TH-cam money and bought a M4 😂

  • @rashad3286
    @rashad3286 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to think this was nice but after the b58 with a catback exhaust, I realized how much the s55 sounds like a raspy honda 😭, just way too much rasp on this engine

  • @Playclu8
    @Playclu8 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds insane! I just did a armytrix exhaust on my m4 cs on my channel! do you think i can pair aa el midpipe to the armytrix axleback?

  • @robertsrt
    @robertsrt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gorgeous car. Atrocious sound. #FartCan

  • @1stock440
    @1stock440 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this the competition or just the regular m4?

  • @ozangokduman463
    @ozangokduman463 ปีที่แล้ว

    By far the best video of the mpe exhaust... Also got mine for my m4cs really excited to hear it!

  • @vincent4226
    @vincent4226 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro!! Congrats, it’s a great exhaust. I love it. Keep the content coming my guy.

  • @mberkovic
    @mberkovic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you get carbon fiber tips for MPE? I got the same car for our son but 2016, same color, ton of fiber, MPE, etc. I’m jealous on your headlights :(. I can’t watch him driving the car without me having one. I told him I’m getting 2018 or younger model.

    • @F83.M4
      @F83.M4 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are a good father! Your son is a lucky lad

  • @cxllmekylenaidoo3887
    @cxllmekylenaidoo3887 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you buy the exhaust sound so fucken menacing I love it, I would really like to put one on my bmw m4 please drop a link or where you got it from I would really appreciate it

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      i got mine second hand from a user on bimmerpost

  • @ASCONTRACT
    @ASCONTRACT 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow sounds great! I thought the MPE was stainless steel not titanium from when I read on bmw when i go to purchase one. Let me know how you know the system is titanium

  • @carsandcoldbrew6489
    @carsandcoldbrew6489 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the the UEL and EL sounds with the MPE. S55 sounds man!

  • @biturbo250biturbo8
    @biturbo250biturbo8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How is the Exhaust in the inside on long haul tours? does it get to loud or drone inside?

  • @tractioncontroldelete
    @tractioncontroldelete 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this review. I’ve been mulling it over for a while because the wrong choice can be pricey!

  • @paulpateman6723
    @paulpateman6723 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds insane Omar looks fantastic to 🇬🇧🇬🇧👍👍

  • @rp1268
    @rp1268 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How is it on the highway? Any drone compared to oem in sport plus? Also i have a baby so curious how everyday driving with her would be in sport plus locally and also on the highway. Thanks

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very quiet, with the valves closed. Both on the inside and outside!

  • @A-GoldenBar
    @A-GoldenBar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Exhaust sounds bad

  • @juancruz4305
    @juancruz4305 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im going to change to M performance exhaust on my F80 because something came out of the stock muffler and I can’t figure out what was it. The car sounds totally different. Sound the engine only

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      it's worth it you'll love the sound!

  • @lighteningbolt6397
    @lighteningbolt6397 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro i think you should do a review of the topgear motor works exhaust

  • @suhy9861
    @suhy9861 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    this looks a lot like Santa Clarita

  • @vinnie5148
    @vinnie5148 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you purchase this exhaust?

  • @Kryptonman27
    @Kryptonman27 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have a dinan setup just the muffler and it is pretty quiet

  • @gamingwithmlg6636
    @gamingwithmlg6636 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Part number for this exhaust?

  • @dragonhellrazor
    @dragonhellrazor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the same thing on my M4 Comp with VRSF midpipes it loud ASF but you have to be careful because the 1st Gen usually cracks where the pipes weld up against the muffler.

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea definitely a good point. We’ll see what happens with this one ☝🏼

  • @austinbell9387
    @austinbell9387 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🧢

  • @M5aximus
    @M5aximus 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We want more 740Li content. :(

  • @sunnykgaming2541
    @sunnykgaming2541 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    what year is your car?

  • @giopirmisashvili5514
    @giopirmisashvili5514 ปีที่แล้ว

  • @Khalid335i
    @Khalid335i 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Harmony to my ears

  • @omriziv2833
    @omriziv2833 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    it looks loose

  • @BermudaGuyDIY
    @BermudaGuyDIY 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's your wheel and tire setup? Those tires look meaty

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Apex SM10 with Nitto NT555R, i have a video breaking down the specs and everything on my channel

  • @retroheadd7551
    @retroheadd7551 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bmw guy at heart but did anyone see that s14

  • @karangrewal5066
    @karangrewal5066 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    M performance exhaust is best for f8x platform.....EL sound weird for these cars

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      finally someone that finds the EL sound to be a bit strange! i thought i was the only one that wasn't crazy about it

    • @karangrewal5066
      @karangrewal5066 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      nh bruh you are good....on one hand people say that the s54 sounds so good....but s55 sound much beefier and has same basic tone.....people don't understand.

    • @MistaaFrosty
      @MistaaFrosty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      EL makes that shit sound like a 350z/g37 😹

  • @q_steelgrayM3
    @q_steelgrayM3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the throaty more aggressive sound and appearance. Makes you love the car even more!

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      absolutely man! Glad you like it as well!

  • @PaulsTech
    @PaulsTech 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just straight pipe it bro...

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      it'll sound like shit if i did that lmao

  • @chop3625
    @chop3625 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gotta love the CF tips

  • @DreksterDeHotness
    @DreksterDeHotness 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love my m performance exhaust but it has a crack in it and has a nasty rattle on cold start now. Having a hard time finding a shop that can weld titanium.. beware!

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man that sucks! If you're located in San Diego I know of someone who can fix it

    • @DreksterDeHotness
      @DreksterDeHotness 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimplyCarThings appreciate that. I’m in Houston though 😞

  • @MrRoni123456789
    @MrRoni123456789 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have any rattles from the ARM DPs ?

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Currently running stock downpipes 👌🏼

  • @11hahn
    @11hahn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this paired with the stick or aftermarket mid pipe?

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's using the MPE midpipe. The system comes with the MPE titanium muffler and the Stainless Steel midpipe

  • @MrBest56007
    @MrBest56007 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome bro! 🔥🔥

  • @Guanakito503fcb
    @Guanakito503fcb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lovely sound bro!

  • @therealone1342
    @therealone1342 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this the m4 from 2020?

  • @juancruz4305
    @juancruz4305 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have to cut the pipe close to the muffler?

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      you make a cut from the secondary cat midpipe

  • @Newtorin
    @Newtorin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you buy the setup?

  • @andrewfairchild1028
    @andrewfairchild1028 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Y do it sound like waste gate rattle

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think that’s just a common thing with the exhaust of all S55’s my last M4 did it too and same thing with other ones i’ve heard

  • @davissonnguyen
    @davissonnguyen 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you think MPEv1 is loud get the MPEv2 is what I have and its even louder : )

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The V1 & V2 are the same exhaust 😂

    • @davissonnguyen
      @davissonnguyen 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimplyCarThings there are slight improvements on them from what I was told by a M tech. i had my buddy compared his v1 with my v2, mine was significantly louder and more burbles. both cars were stock as well.

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@davissonnguyen Interesting to know! Was your car ZCP? Seems like the ZCP cars have a rowdier exhaust note with more burble

    • @davissonnguyen
      @davissonnguyen 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimplyCarThings Correct it was a 2018 ZCP with MPE pack

  • @joeycipponeri7637
    @joeycipponeri7637 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have stock exhaust. Huge complaint is that even in sport mode there is huge variability in sound. Sometimes I don't hear much under light to med acceleration (as if flaps are closed). Other times I do. It's not consistent. I want to hear sound under all loads and even slightly just cruising at 50mph. Is this normal for stock in sport mode? I'm fine with quiet in efficient mode.

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had the same annoying issue. Unfortunately that's just the programming of the factory valve controller. the valve will not open up until you give it pretty much full throttle. I have since tuned my car with Bootmod3, and they have an option that allows the valve to stay open all the time in Sport/Sport+ but closes when in efficient mode and its so much better now

    • @joeycipponeri7637
      @joeycipponeri7637 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the reply. I now have BM3! I see you had Dinan midpipe with your Dinan exhaust..did you keep that midpipe with this MPE? If not what do you have now (in this video, not your latest stuff), and is it smog legal?

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joeycipponeri7637 in this video, the setup was smog legal. now it isn't cause I added downpipes. The MPE comes with its own midpipe, and that's what I'm running

    • @joeycipponeri7637
      @joeycipponeri7637 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimplyCarThings Any issues with smogging the Dinan setup?

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joeycipponeri7637 none whatsoever

  • @BrianJohnson-kh7mg
    @BrianJohnson-kh7mg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What tires you got?

  • @DavidCastillo-yo9dv
    @DavidCastillo-yo9dv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey! did you buy or used?

  • @TheMratitude
    @TheMratitude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just mine M4 four days ago. Loving it so far, and it's turning heads in downtown. It's stock M4. Which tune would you recommend for M4, for burble and exhaust setup? I was running Bootmod3 stage 2 on my 335i. Any recommendations?

    • @c.d.m.3821
      @c.d.m.3821 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you just got it I wouldn't recommend any power mods... Enjoy it for it what is first... Trust me, there's enough power under the hood to surprise you more times than you can count

    • @omarrahman5532
      @omarrahman5532 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stage 0+ would be a good place to start that’s what I did

  • @dommarin9629
    @dommarin9629 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much you paid for it?

    • @SimplyCarThings
      @SimplyCarThings  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i have a video on my channel breaking down all costs of the car 👌🏼

    • @dommarin9629
      @dommarin9629 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SimplyCarThings no. The mpe exhaust

  • @f32_boost52
    @f32_boost52 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm surprised you never looked at an AWE system. I have it on my 435i and it sounds great. Nonetheless, sounds great!

  • @the1andonly801
    @the1andonly801 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    all in all S55s dont sound that good

    • @PalmettoShots
      @PalmettoShots 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Co signing on this. I have yet to hear a good sounding S55.

    • @MistaaFrosty
      @MistaaFrosty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      single turbo’ing is the only thing that saves it

  • @jachympatloka5453
    @jachympatloka5453 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cant help but 440i with B58 and MPE exhaust sound much much better.

  • @bigcmlg
    @bigcmlg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The car looks so nice but honestly this car sounds bad no matter what exhaust is on there even though it’s a inline6. It just sounds like a Honda Civic. Exhaust note is what held me back from buying this car.

  • @jcwick0859
    @jcwick0859 ปีที่แล้ว

    is that an s14 at 2:05? sweet

  • @Smackyourlibup
    @Smackyourlibup 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like a dump truck on boost🤢

  • @Smackyourlibup
    @Smackyourlibup 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds so bad its terrible.