Why Jordan Peterson & Dennis Prager's SHOCKING conversation about P*RN is DANGEROUS
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- In a recent discussion with Jordan Peterson about the Bible, Dennis Prager made some shocking claims about Judaism's view on lust and p*rn. Here is an authentic Jewish and Biblical perspective on why lust and p*rn are probably even more dangerous than you think. @RuslanKD @DailyDisciple @TheCounselofTrent @TheBibleisArt @FaithTalks @whaddoyoumeme
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As a Catholic I thank you Rabbi. Just one more thing. I haven't heard anyone talk about the people in the picture or video who are being used and abused. They are someones daughters and sons and need to be prayed for also.
That's an extremely important point. Thank you for mentioning.
That's all I've been saying.
They made a choice and are paid . I don't feel bad for porn actors. Don't believe look at all the only fans crap going on .. there choice to sell themselves .. right or wrong .. we are all sinners in a fallen world ..
Realized the Hews who are unbaptized and are by their very nature Antichrist. The world-leading marketers of porn. Fact is that use in the modern Jews have a long history of embracing sexual sexual sin. Jesus Christ himself said if you look at a with lust in your eye sin against 6th commandment. Where do the Hews get off thinking they're not going to go to hell for mortal sin. Objectively speaking I can tell you Dennis Prager is already punched his ticket for hell. Jeopardy speaking it doesn't care whether he believes it or not. Jesus and God the father and the Holy Ghost have spoken. And when his soul goes directly before Jesus he will find out the only one doing any talking is Jesus not him.
@@notsure9853 all sinners are unfortunate. Thare but for the grace of God go I. I think you can feel sympathy without condoning the behavior
Thank you rabbi! As a Confessional Lutheran, I was really surprised and a little dismayed to hear this perspective from Dennis Prager, who is someone I really like. It is good to hear a Jewish perspective on his comments
Well said. Thank you for the clarification. I think there is a basic agreement that having the desire and overcoming it is a path to holiness. Aquinas would say the point the desire or thought becomes sinful is when we "take pleasure" in it. Obviously we are build as sexual beings, but also called to have self mastery. Enjoy the channel, keep up the good work. And a blessed Passover to you and yours.
Thank you very much for a very clear and informative analysis
This is a really compelling argument! I'm glad that there was an opposition to the opinions of some of the thinkers on the Exodus. I'm not upset that they shared their views. I am elated that we have the ability to freely oppose. It is through this civilized exchange that I am able to gain more perspective and weigh the truths and lies. Thank you 🙏
I'm Catholic, and I think what Dennis says about lusting is merely his own opinion. Its creepy to realize when your friend look at your daughter, lusting, every time he meet with your daughter, and its not a sin according to Dennis's version of Judaism. I can't believe its Judaism at all.
Prager’s rankings are not Judaism.
That's a good point.
Thank You Rabbi, I was looking for this answer. Thank you for sharing it.
Porn is, at least, coveting a forbidden relationship, though the vividness of experience makes it nearly indistinguishable from actual hookups. I like what you said elsewhere "the ONLY healthy male expression of sexuality is in response to a female's desire" and obviously only when that female desire is in the context of a permissible relationship, otherwise we do need to suppress our desires and not allow them to foster even if you are married and the desire is for her.
Yes! I did say that and I’m glad you applied it here! Here is where I say that: th-cam.com/video/r8AxvRushEw/w-d-xo.html
@Troy Hailey I'm impressed that you quoted something I said on another video! That's amazing!
@Troy Hailey You made my day! Now I know there are TWO people actually out there listening! Please tell me you're not a bot!
@@SoulWords then again could be the commenter here stumbled on these insights on their own. Imagine that!
From a physiological perspective, pornography is an addictive neuro-toxin. See, Soft Porn Plays Hardball by Dr. Judith Reisman.
Beautifully put. I was pretty embarrassed when I heard Prager represent the Torah that way.
I think Jordan Peterson should add an old-fashioned Rabbi to his round table❤
Catholic here. Thank God. Please share this video.
I just think he’s a fool not to recognize that thoughts create behavior. And that’s one of the most important ones!
Variety?! “Variety” is a distraction from the beautiful unfolding that happens between man and wife.
Thanks for your perspective.
I knew that what Dennis was saying couldn’t be right about Judaism. I’m glad someone spoke out. Thank you for clarifying the Jewish position on this.
Prager said: “I know this is not a religious answer. I’m not even giving a religious answer. I’m giving what I think is a moral and realistic answer.” So obviously he is not "representing Rabbinic discourse on this matter." Nor is he " "speaking out on behalf of Judaism" as the Rabbi said.
@@Gt3ch he presents himself as an orthodox Jew. Even if he says something isn't a religious answer, he says it's moral and he's also a "orthodox Jew" so one would think that what he's saying will be based in Judaism assuming he lives his life according to Judaism, which is what he claims to do
@@tal8871 Sorry but that's not how it works. Your assumptions about him don't trump what he actually said. While yes he was raised orthodox he isn't strictly orthodox and his views are often quite liberal. Have you seen what he said about keeping kosher "my way"?
Christians and Jews worship the same God. We are to live as one together and not be divided. We don't have different laws or commandments.
Thank you Rabbi Taub for sharing this "real" talk.
Good response! I like how he stated that the 613 commandments are under the “chapter headings” of the ten! That’s how I see it too! And Jesus, who I believe is the Messiah, further generalized them all as hanging on the two greatest commandments, to love God and love your neighbor. Jesus is a good Jewish man!! He expounded on the commandments and summed them up. He also got to the heart of the issue when he said that lusting after someone (who is not your spouse) is as sinful as committing the act, and that hating your brother is as wrong as murdering him! Jesus is a good rabbi!
Thank you so much for clarifying this, as a practicing Catholic I 100% agree with what you said. I find it silly also that he stated that Judaism and Christianity are miles apart, when our faith literally stemmed from Judaism, we have to see how the New Testament is hidden in the Old, we’re not getting this out of thin air.
The rabbi says at the beginning of the show, "A person who has an immoral desire and takes control over that (immoral desire) and refuse to express it behaviorally is actually in someways holier than a person who didn't have that desire to begin with." Do you think this is this convulting statment?? Mastering ones immoral desire is one thing but after mastering it it is okay or even demanded that IT is expressed behaviourally?? Really?? And then, it is also commendable as in better than---the rabbi actually claim it is holier---one who never struggle with his or her immoral desire??
I for one is very buffled, 2 say the least. IT is either one struggle ones immoral desire and subdue it and máster it or in expressing it, it remains immoral or isn't??
The other thing is that: how is it Adam before the fall is holier than Adam after the fall??
I do understand that this difficult dialéctical issue of desire (inner struggle or need) and action ( expression of this desire). Which of us are not without this tensión. But deep down, the rabbi's teaching very much differ from Logos-centered Christianity. Talmudic Judiasm is a religion of law not of Love. Hence, a despert need for this rabbi accept Jesús Christ and teach from the reality of Love as revealed in Logos made flesh.
We are 'miles apart'. You'd have to intricately study the wealth of Judaism to know that. You took the Torah, given to us directly by G-d, changed its name to mean "book", worked words to mean other things, even the names of the books, telling us the NT surpasses what G-d gave to us directly. That's not 'miles apart'? Your perspective is interesting.
@@bachamadu2076dream on. We're not embracing any of the tenets of xianity. It's superfluous. It's not what G-d wants. Him. The "Big Guy". The "author" of the Torah. Not 'old'or 'new'. Straight up. No "revision" needed.
As a Catholic I understand you and agree. God Bless.
Your explanation is so clear and helpful, and encouraging for me! Thank you from a catholic Christian overseas!
As a Christian I'm really curious after your vision, thoughts about Isaya 53. I'm really pleased with the answer you are giving here. Thank you.
It’s a messianic prophecy alright. It’s about how the nations of the world who mistreated the Jewish people will recognize what they’ve done and be remorseful.
I am a Christian that is an active reader of the Torah and Prophets and History...regardless of Judaism or Christianity - GOD is Holy and HIS edict is "be ye therefore holy, because I AM HOLY"
Pornography cannot fit into that!
Thank you for your explanation it was sensible and most importantly laden with wisdom.
Thanx Rabbi.... Nice exlpanation....😮
i think you should speak more about impulse thought
We can do a follow up video if people are interested
As a Catholic Christian, this resonates simply because I am hearing Jesus’s words here from the rabbi. And Jesus was-a Jew. God revealed Himself to us through Jewish people. I consider this lesson a beautiful example of the link between Judaism, Jesus/Yeshua, those He spoke to, and His followers hence.
Wonderful analysis. Thank you.
So as a Christian what you said about someone having temptation and not acting on it is more moral we would agree. If someone is lusting though they are falling into their desire not walking away.
You're 100% right... I think he had the right intentions he was caught up with all the thinkers at the table. God knows I've had wrong beliefs in the name of good or empathy. That's the beauty of platforms such as TH-cam...Banter.... so important not to censor speech.
Actions come from the heart. We have to start at the heart.
From 13:18, I think your comment fits into “And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
Genesis 4:6-7 KJV
I agree with your assessment. I was also a little surprised by Denis’s opinion. Defilement starts in the mind, no doubt. Your internal struggle to maintain control of your own weaknesses is what I would call wrestling with God. 🙏🏼
I am a Christian. But when Dennis said that porn and looking with lust are not sinful in themselves, I immediately understood he is a very bad jew.
Regarding thoughts this reminded of the quote “we can’t stop birds from flying over our heads, but we can stop them from building nests in our hair”.
I appreciate this Rabbi. As a Christian I am glad to know that the Jewish people care about being pure Hashem.
I so agree with you! I'm a Christian, and I see God's laws as his love for us. He is trying to help us avoid natural consequences, not ruin our good time. Porn as you said, keeps us from real intimacy. I've always had a problem with Dennis' take on this. As a woman who has had to deal with this, I have seen it destroy my marriage. Dennis isn't seeing this problem with the natural consequences that come with it. It's heartbreaking for a woman. That's only one of the consequences. Thank you for the clarification.
G-d's laws have nothing you to with His 'love for us'. Xian concept. Not the Torah, from G-d. Too self involved. The 'laws' are about Him. How to "know" Him. What does G-d need and want, from us. No "me monsters" involved. Nothing about 'love'.
Thank you! 😊
I'd love to see you have Dennis Prager on your channel, or vice versa!
Job 31:1-3
I made a covenant with my eyes
not to look lustfully at a young woman.
For what is our lot from God above,
our heritage from the Almighty on high?
Is it not ruin for the wicked,
disaster for those who do wrong?
Thank you. Appreciate the clarity. I have a respect for Dennis Prager, however disagree with his point of view regarding the damage/sin from pornography. Like any other man, we have to weigh everything that is said against what Scripture says. Your arguments from Scripture are compelling
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I was shocked by Mr. Prager’s position. This is a great response.
Thank you! I was adopted into a reform Jewish family and even knew this and was shocked at Prager. Of course walking past a beautiful woman in the street is different than going on the computer in private and touching yourself.
Also, it begs the question about masturbation. If masturbation is a sin then certainly watching porn is. Nobody is watching that and not doing that.
Thank you especially with all the sexual stuff being presented to children, it’s weird and wrong everyone trying to normalise porn.
Well put together my friend! I am a Christian but even people who are not religious know that purpously tempting yourself is bad.
Rabbi: thank you so much for your explanation; however, it seems in the end, the man isn't guilty of adultery but coveting another woman. Still one of the top 10.
If one reads the Bible regularly (3+ days per week) they are 60% less likely to engage in lustful behavior, 50% less likely to be depressed and lonely.
Leviticus Rabbah 23:12 - and i quote -" Not merely one who sins with his body is called an adulterer , but he who sins with his eye is also so named ". Again , Leviticus Rabbah , a midrash on Sefer Vayikra Rabbah .... Prager was incorrect .. Shalom Klal Yisrael !
I'm a Catholic. I thought Prager's thoughts were very strange
Job 31:1
I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?
As a Christian I believe the Jewish community actually makes me a better Christian. I love your culture and way of thinking. I don’t mean to say this to convert you but you actually sound like Jesus’ teachings when he says the flesh and spirit are in conflict with each other and you must choose which to feed.
King David was void of an evil inclination? Where on earth did you get that notion? He committed adultery with a woman and then murdered her husband. In his own words Psalm 51:14-17 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness. 15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise. 16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
I was hooked to that garbage for years and even though I am not married, so I did not cause problems to my spouse, I did cause damage to myself and when God helped me to get freed from it, I began to feel much better, I feel cleanliness in my soul and it feels good.
❤
So glad I quit watching porn
As a Christian who has studied Judaism, I was happy to hear your teaching on this. "Lust is pollution" love that quote. Thank you for responding to this.
Have you studied the Talmud?
@@danielcya8334 exactly 😂 crickets they think we are no better than animals and should be slaves
I want you to type in talmud and sexual relations with children. I want you to type in talmud version or understanding of Jesus and the Virgin birth. I want you to type in talmud and loaning money with interest towards gentiles but not towards fellow Jews. I don't think most people think this way these days but the point is talmud is talk much more in Hebrew school compared to Torah. Don't turn a blind eye because the talmud says Jesus is a bastard and mother Mary was impregnated by a Roman centurion. The talmud teaches Jesus was practicing sorcery and witchcraft and it did not come from the Creator. So people can cherry-pick pieces of the talmud and some people can say I'm cherry-picking but I'm also asking anyone to go double check and see if I'm lying when I say it's in the talmud. I don't even use a capital t. I don't dislike Jewish people because that's me and I'm no self-hating. At the same time, I'm not going to deny ridings within talmud and teachings till this day with in Hebrew school.
I've asked rabbi to answer if talmud ever teaches that it's fine for a Jew to have sexual relations with a child. I get no answer. The talmud teaches this.
@@robertpatterson9943that isn't true at all... you believe in lies and fairytales. I bet you believe in jesus. And not even aware that you are deep in idolatry. You have no clue. God is against human sacrifice. And the prophets of the Old testament said that it is an abomination to God to have the innocent and the righteous die for the sins of the wicked. And also God promised that the true Messiah would bring eternal peace to the world. But jesus spoke against the promises of God. Because jesus said do not think that I have come to bring peace. So he definitely cannot be the true Messiah. I bet you are just gonna shrug this off..and not even look it up and investigate for yourself. Because Christianity has dummed you down
source please.
in the torah that is quite the oppisot. the jewish nation have a job, a responsability, to be a light to the nations. and the torah says explicitly- that the human have a soul- which is a holy part from above. that is the furthest you can take it from a dog. go and talk to a religios jew, ask him about this.
I don't blame you for this, but this idea you got is rooted in christianity and in YOUR bible. not the original bible, and not in the way of the god of Israel, the one that created heaven and earth.@@robertpatterson9943
As a Jew I am extremly thankful for this Video. Porn is obviously sinful and forbidden and Dennis Prager really did misrepresent our Religion.
Basically Prager gave an answer far too nuanced and based on intelligence than the Yahwist cult, with the mass murdering volcano god, can handle.
He didn't misrepresent the religion. He said: “I know this is not a religious answer. I’m not even giving a religious answer. I’m giving what I think is a moral and realistic answer.”
More like East Africa with Beta Israel or those of Falasha (Ethiopian Jews), in Northern Ethiopia
@@waryofextremesyep it's a problem with Jews. Not with Indians vs Hindus
He was correct on the law part tho, because thats christianity.
Thank you rabbi, I’m an Orthodox Jew, and was saddened that what Dennis prager said will misinform many about what Judaism really believes
You mean the entirety of 5 people who care about those subtleties :) What a loss.
Basically Prager gave an answer far too nuanced and based on intelligence than the Yahwist cult, with the mass murdering volcano god, can handle.
I think you misinterpreted what he said. He said “I know this is not a religious answer. I’m not even giving a religious answer. I’m giving what I think is a moral and realistic answer.” That means he is giving his personal view, within that moral framework, and is NOT representing the official or a strict stance/interpretation of the Jewish religion.
@@Gt3ch that's what he said then went on to say what Judaism stands for, which is wrong.
@@nomorecensoringme No that is incorrect. listen to it again. You got the order of things backwards and misinterpreted him.
I am not Jewish, but I appreciate the depth you went to explain it. I agree with your point about dwelling on sinful desires in your heart for sin, leads to sin.
*Job 31:1 1 I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a young woman.* ❗❗❗
*That's why Jesus rejected the way how the pharisees lived in hypocrisy. They are clean outside but rotten inside. Clean in the eyes of men but in the eyes of God their heart are very lustful. PORNOGRAPHY AND MASTURBATION is a sin. SEX is a gift and need to be celebrated within the MARRIAGE of MAN and WOMAN.* ❗❗❗
In Christianity, we also honor people who have a desire but master it through the grace of God. The Christian teaching is that entertaining those impulses are as bad as acting on them.
Good video, Rabbi. I have so much respect for our Jewish cousins. I was also dismayed by Mr. Prager's comments because I was confident they misrepresented your position.
I’m glad you found this video
We aren't 'cousins'. Why can't people just be who they are without trying to "link" us all together?
@@nomorecensoringmenot cousins, brothers! The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Yeshua is a Jew. 💕
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Rabbi, Jews got blamed for promoting porn during the Weimar Republic. I can t think of any major porn studio that is not owned by jews.
What s your take on that?
I am a Catholic and I have listened to Dennis's radio show frequently in the past. I was very disappointed in his answer. Thank you for clarifying the Jewish position on pornography. It is very similar to what we believe as Catholics. May God bless you.
I’m really happy that you found this video and had a chance to hear this explanation. Thank you for watching and also for commenting.
He didnt clarify he simply gave his perspective, the truth is Dennis was right about what he said jews believe, it's a behavioral religion, there's many nany biblical scriptures that teach the opposite of this, so my question to you is as a Christian why are you taking moral guidance and following a jew the belief system is totally different, dennis said it is not evil to watch Chil Porn
@@younameit1407Rabbi Taub did 'clarify'. Dennis is a Jew not a Jewish "authority". He went to school to study Judaism, as do many Jews. A Jewish "authority" would be a rabbi, someone who studies the intricacies of our laws and adjudicates them, as he's been authorized and accountable for doing. Prager does not have that "ability".
You can't twist Judaism to include 'child porn' as "acceptable".
@whoknew770 I don't know why your replying to me in this way, I don't care. I was speaking to a Christian woman about following and taking moral and religious guidance from Prager.
@@younameit1407He has no business preaching in Yeshua's name and spreading lies. It is a sin to even think of it. P leads to looking at Pedo stuff as well. Yeshua is very clear and doesn't matter how men twist his words to make themselves holy. He should be worried about preaching falsely in the name of Yeshua it's unforgivable.
" You can't avoid birds flying above your head but you can avoid them to make a nest on top of your head"
❗❗❗ *That's why Jesus rejected the way how the pharisees and saducess lived in hypocrisy. They are clean outside but rotten inside. Clean in the eyes of men but in the eyes of God their heart are very lustful. PORNOGRAPHY AND MASTURBATION is a sin. SEX is a gift and need to be celebrated within the MARRIAGE of MAN and WOMAN.*
As a Catholic Christian, this being a Jewish routed based religion I did not believe his explanation was at all right. Thank you very much for a very good explanation.
'Jewish routed based'? You don't have to align yourself with us. There is no 'Judeo-xian' anything. It's a myth. You have your belief system. We have ours. The "twain" will meet after the coming of Moshiach when only G-d will be everyone's focus. Not 'religion', heaven forbid.
Amen Rabbi. As a Christian who studied with Jews for my PhD. I knew Prager was not well representing Rabbinic discourse on this matter.
Also in terms of harm, the p--n industry contributes greatly to human trafficking and exploitation of real men, women, children, etc. Thank you for stepping into the discussion, and encouraging people to resist the temptation to indulge in this activity which society at large has given a free pass to.
Interesting, the word "p--n" for you is so disettling to you can't even spell it out by your nature under benign discourse. That happens to me also sometimes, but when I'm "speaking" in anger or conviction I don't hesitate.
@@rynes.rai7er993 I actually have no shame to say this word I was just avoiding being censored for using the word. Jesus forgives all my failures with this and has set me free completely from this
Basically Prager gave an answer far too nuanced and based on intelligence than the Yahwist cult, with the mass murdering volcano god, can handle.
Prager said: “I know this is not a religious answer. I’m not even giving a religious answer. I’m giving what I think is a moral and realistic answer.” So obviously he is not "representing Rabbinic discourse on this matter." Nor is he " "speaking out on behalf of Judaism" as the Rabbi said.
@@Gt3ch actually he said judaism says looking lustfully is not a sin. thats totally wrong. Shmirat Eynayim guarding your eyes is a commandment
Well done sir, as a Christian it is good to hear this point of view clearly stated, thank you.
As Orthodox Christian I firmly agree with you, rabi!The sin starts from the thoughts and thoughts start from wrong usage of senses. This is the foundation of Niptic/Hesychastic Theology. Thanks for your analysis and your clarification.😊
his proposal that humans should aspire for sanctity of "thoughts" may lead his disciples to put thoughts over "actions"or behaviours.....Dennis Prager is right for being focused on actions because society´s most horrible problems are behavioural, and these should be fixed FIRST
I’m Muslim raised, and I found this man to be brilliant. Subscribed. Thank you
Excellent presentation of a nuanced topic. Disappointing that Dennis Prager with all his learning didn’t come to this basic truth. You can’t separate your thoughts from behavior.
Thank you Rabbi. I saw that snippet of interview and was horrified at what was said. I converted to Judaism from xtianity and I’m Orthodox. Personally what helped in my 30 yr marriage was when HaShem says “Remember the wife of your youth” and Hillel said “What’s evil to you, don’t do to someone else”. Thank you for trying to clarify the misspeak of people and inform people of what Judaism is actually about.
Thank you for addressing this from a Torah perspective! I would love to see chabad teachers reach out somehow to Dr Peterson and introduce him to the Rebbe and Sheva Mitzvos and chassidus in a way the Rebbe would have wanted for all people to learn. He is starting a movement to discover a way forward that unites us all and has a huge influence. I believe it is a huge opportunity to introduce sheva mitzvos and the teachings and vision of the Rebbe and Geula and Moshiach.
The Rebbe was very big on influencing the influencers. I spoke about it in a recent 30 Letters in 30 Days class.
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Could you pls explain what you mean when you say this, "A person who has an immoral desire and takes control over that (immoral desire) and refuse to express it behaviorally is actually in someways holier than a person who didn't have that desire to begin with."
How is this tenable position??
@@bachamadu2076 there are quite a few videos and books on the subject. It's not considered 'holier' not to "want" to. It's 'holier', to "want" to and "not" to. For people to have the attitude of "I never" is denying their human frailty. G-d created us with "impulses". He also gave us guidelines of how not to give in to them, the Torah, discussed at length in books from rabbis and sages.
Jesus said it you hate your brother without cause you've committed murder in your heart. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. What ever is in your heart is what drives a person. Dennis is way off on this point. And I do agree with your opinion on the importance of the inner man.
Dennis mentioned being "practical." This is often a justification for doing the wrong thing. Rationalizing unravels morality in the heart, and that damage spills over into action unless we check it.
I’m Christian, but I really enjoy learning about Judaism. Thank you for explaining things so well
Always, always, always, God hates sin because it always hurts us. Thank you so much for your understandable explanation Sir.
I am a Honduran Catholic and pornography is crooked evil wicked. Sad to witness how some people celebrate and defend sin. Thank you Rabi.
but under his logic, the simple act of taking time to "think" about a bad desire MAY ALSO ENCOURAGE THAT DESIRE, so a person who watches porn may take LESS TIME thinking about the bad desire because porn can induce a quicker release of the sexual tension, while a person WHO DOESNT WATCH PORN may teke more and more time thinking about the bad desire
Rabbi Has just blessed me and countless others with the truth and such an eloquent way of presenting it. Thank you for taking the time and effort to put this debate into correction.
You made clear your stance on a difficult topic. You showed moral courage.
Thanks for your insight from a Judaism standpoint. :)
In addition to what you said about deliberate thoughts, there’s also what Samuel told King Saul about how rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft and stubbornness as idolatry (1 Sam 15:23), which for me, as a Christian, relates to what Jesus said about lusting being as adultery.
As for the part about how pornography affects marriage and intimacy, there’s Malachi 2:11-16 (where God disapproved of divorcing wives in order to marry another), Proverbs 5, specifically verses 15-21 (where a man is supposed to be faithful to his wife and avoid a strange woman), and Job 31:1 about making a covenant with the eyes.
Then, just stepping back and looking at Israel before the Babylonian captivity, the children of Israel had abandoned God to serve Baal, which included Ashtoreth worship (aka Ishtar). Ashtoreth worship involved pornography (as in the “sacred” texts about her were highly graphic and many of her images were of her naked or disrobing). Why, as a Jew, would you want to meddle with something that helped contribute to the fall of Israel and got your ancestors kicked out of the Holy Land? (Yes, I realize there is more to Israel’s pre-captivity rebellion and idolatry than *just* the sexual immorality and temple prostitution, but my point stands.)
Seems obvious that Dennis watches porn and that's why he doesn't condemn it. Shameful. Sex trafficking and porn do together. People are harmed by porn, it is sin.
I am glad to hear this conversation taking place as I am an individual who had a porn addiction problem so the speak and I never really thought of it as a problem until I started attending my church and we got on the subject and the subject ends up being about me and I am working hard to put a stop to it
Very brave teaching and very clear and very helpful for many. SPOT ON🙏🙏🙏
Glad you think so!
I hope he repents and apologizes because this is detrimental to everything he claims to care about: strong men/marriages/families. He has positioned himself as a moral thought leader and here is co-signing/ justifying this behavior to the thousands of young men who look to him for moral guidance.
Thank you for dealing with the importance of the internal world of a person! The way I have learned to look at the difference between action and intention: Let’s say there is the most gentle, kind person who wouldn’t hurt a fly, and yet accidentally caused the death of a person. He would feel very sorry for the harm he had caused. On the other hand, there is a person who wishes he could kill very frequently, but never did actually! He hasn’t affected the world in such a blatant way, but in his inner world, he is far from a righteous person. G-d wants us to work on our inner and outer worlds. In the ideal person, they would match perfectly! But I think that Dennis Prager is right in emphasizing that the outer world is of primary importance.
Dennis Prager doesn’t understand that Pornography can change the intimate dynamics between partners. It can actually become an addiction and the user eventually can become unable to engage sexually with his partner. Sad that he doesn’t understand this very common occurrence.
Thanks for the excellent information. I think fantasies about doing something wrong can definitely lead to harm to the self and others. I’ve seen it happen. The inside of a person, like any container, can only hold so much before it spills over to the outside, and many things are too corrosive to keep contained.
Truth
Good answer. Also:
Leviticus 19:17
[17]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart...
However this portion of the verse interpreted, it is either pretending to like someone OR actually hating someone. Either way, it not action based but heart based.
Thank you Rabbi for this answer and I appreciate you translating the Hebrew.
So happy you made this video! I commented on Dr. Peterson's channel that Prager's explanations were wrong. I suggested he talk to you or Rabbi YY to get accurate information. Yasher koach!
As a Christian, I am very happy to see and hear your video on this as the answer Dennis Prager gave shocked me. I love watching Dennis Prager on his show with his dog Otto. I hope you or one of your brethren will reach out to Dennis to clear this up for him. I know for a fact that viewing pornography is not only addicting, but the more your brain gives you the dopamine high with the porn, the more you crave and you will start down a path of degenerate watching and the things you watch or desire to see will get worse and worse. I won't go into details, I'm petty sure everyone knows about that. I just want to say you have given me relief with your rebuke of his attitude toward this sin. I hope you reach out to him because if this is what he's telling husbands and wives, this is ruining marriages and hurting people. I can't imagine why he would say this type of thing unless he himself has an addiction that he can't overcome. Also I am very glad you explained the difference between having a thought pop up in your head, or indulging in that thought. It took awhile for me to become aware of this but now when a thought pops up that is unwanted I rebuke it in the name of God and forsake it immediately and it goes away. Sometimes you need to focus on something different to make it go away, depending on if you are at rest or busy doing something. It takes awhile too, sometimes to become aware of when the thought pops up. The Spirit of God helps you with this process. It is always best to read your scripture every day.
Thanks Rabbi, Im glad to see you stand for truth and G-d, shabbat shalom.
What about in the case of people who are unable to find a significant other due to being disabled, ugly and poor, such as myself? What are we supposed to do with our sexual desires? What is the Judaic view on people who are celibate against their will?
Good upload. When I heard Dennis' claims I immediately thought, "Yeah, bullcrap. That's not even slightly a statement held from a Jewish tradition."
His stance was so weird how he explained it because it didn't make sense even within the confines of the 10 Commandments, the writings of the prophets, nor the 613 Mitzvot. There's just nowhere where his stance holds water in Judaism.
Even as a Christian it was obnoxious to hear. Even without rabbinical Judaism or knowledge of the differences within Jewish groups, we still have the Old Testament (albeit somewhat different).
@@pacomaciasarrate6809 how is the Old Testament different in the Bible compared to the Jewish Bible?
Prager said: “I know this is not a religious answer. I’m not even giving a religious answer. I’m giving what I think is a moral and realistic answer.” So obviously he is not "representing Rabbinic discourse on this matter." Nor is he " "speaking out on behalf of Judaism" as the Rabbi said.
@@bobbynelson5849there are quite a lot of mistranslations of words. Even the names of the Five Books of the Torah are not accurate. It's all very different. Not going line by line to "prove" it.
The Torah is not a 'bible'. Sometimes rabbis use the word though for a "mixed" audience. "Torah" means to guide, to teach, meaning G-d to us. 'Bible' means "book". Could be "any" book. The original Torah was recorded on scrolls as we still use them, not in book form. For ease of use for the home, and carrying it around, it's a book.
@@pacomaciasarrate6809yes, we enjoy the Torah, directly from G-d. No need to update it, Him, to anything. "new".
WOW. He covers A LOT of ground here! There are several points he makes, each of which could be an individual talking point.
My favorite one is.
"Guard your eyes" It can last for 4 chapters in a book spanning over 600 pages.
This is something that should be better understood by Christians, as well. Too many of us fail to appreciate the difference between having a desire, entertaining that desire, and acting on that desire. God's commands are an attempt to protect us from ourselves, because He knows that entertaining a desire, dwelling on it in thought, always comes before acting on it. Better that more people should be stopped before ever entertaining it. Bless you, Rabbi.
Thank you Rabbi for this succinct and clear message.
Porn leads to comparison. If you love someone, you shouldn't have to compare them to others; they should be the most beautiful person to you (even if it's objectively not true). That's why healthy sex lives between partners usually involve no pornography.
That's correct!!
if you or your spouse have a sexual history then i got news for you
This guy speaks pure truths! and I feel like I'm not in the dark now on this issue, though we may not agree on other things, but well done, well thought and well said sir.
He seems to be playing to his audience, which are overwhelmingly immature, bitter, “redpilled” male misanthropes, with little to no inclination towards self improvement. Peterson can say what he does about porn because much of his audience is geared towards self improvement. If Prager was terribly critical of porn, he’d likely lose a portion of his followers. Men of today defend porn the way men of the past defended their mothers and wives.
🤯 I think we need to talk more about this. Can you elaborate? Where did you get that line about how men today defend porn? Is that original?
If Prager studied the Prophets and Proverbs, he would see how important attitudes are. "Can a man carry fire in his bosom and not be burned" in Proverbs. And look at Job, "I have made a covenant with my eyes not to look upon a maid.". The problem is that his father took a weak stance against temptation. If Dennis questioned his father's moral judgment, he would probably face a lot of inner turmoil.
Hello, Rabbi
Baruch HaShem ! I clicked on this recommended video out of curiosity.
Glad i did. I'm just a bat Noach with a miniscule amount of Torah and Mitzvot, but a ton of gratitude and appreciation for the many orthodox Rabbanim in our time taking the time to make videos that i can learn from.
Toda Raba
Shalom
Thank you for clarifying what you call the Jewish perspective.
I believe it's common sense and independent from our "religiosity".
It does make me feel bad when a man looks at me with dirty looks, specially if it's a married man or a man advanced in age.
It actually is repugnant.
That's how I feel about Dennis Prager and others.
brilliant presentation.eloquently said.logical and thorough review.accurate and convincing.
I'm grateful for this video since I was wondering about what Dennis said that sounded off.
I agree with most of what you said here, except about King David since he did allow his lust to get so out of his control he had Uriah killed.
The harm done to oneself is true for all people. This is a very good video for all.