Are We (and Aliens) Trapped in Our Galaxy?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ส.ค. 2023
- An exploration of the question of whether we, and for that matter aliens, are trapped in the Milky Way.
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I'm not trapped in this galaxy with aliens. They're trapped in here with me
I am also trapped in this galaxy with tired6919
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I think you just solved the Fermi Paradox.
I like the mindset. Almost makes me feel sorry for them, almost.
real
If our galaxy was the size of the USA then our sun would be the size of a red blood cell. Ppl really don't understand the stupendous distances in the universe.
I've never heard that comparison. It's a good one. Is it accurate?
We really ain't shit lol
The sun is already incomprehensibly large. So's the USA for that matter.
I mean when the astrophysicists and all explain it's basically impossible to wrap your head around, they're not lying! I mean a lot of concepts and observations are amazing and all, but usually make overall sense, but the second you talk about sizes and distances, it's a joke to really think we can grasp the scale. Astronauts have a better understanding perhaps, but when you bring in light years it just kinda goes poof to my brain. 🤯🍻🌎❤️🚀🕺
Not only is it accurate but our sun would be a little smaller than a red blood cell. The scales are inconceivable, the best we can do is stare at numbers that have no meaning to us and drool.@@bozo5632
if we’re trapped here with JMG, everything is OK
We are trapped here with you, thank you!
🥶🥶🥶 (I'd give you backshots bro)
@@hysteria4574 U what
I'd never thought of the Ship of Theseus problem being taken to this extreme.
Vision fan?😇
Lol, I kind of hate that I only know what the Ship of Theseus is from watching Disney+
@@ky1ebetts I've never seen it. I know the concept from philosophy.
I’d love to see a full episode about possible social issues and conflicts on a generation ship
If you haven't read the book _Ring_ by Stephen Baxter, it has a plot that follows a generational ship on a 5-million year trip. I really enjoyed it.
This. I think it’s greatly underestimated how much humans do not get along for long periods cooped up together. Like it’s really quite astonishing, even your most cherished loved ones will eventually be unable to stand you and vice versa. It’s human nature.
Just look up Warhammer 40k
No
Play Mass Effect Andromeda
I definitely could use a cybernetic body. The one I have is getting old and falling apart. Thanks for the video, John.
Me too. Also a cybernetic brain. It's one step closer to escaping base reality.
From the moment I understood the weakness of the flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as if it will not decay and fail you. One day, the crude biomass that you call a temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved. For the machine is immortal.
You could also become a slave in your new body thanks to corporations that will demand you a fee for everything you do or experience, including stay alive (body parts maintenance)
I'd love the option to choose when I've had enough, and cybernetics would be great if it could perfectly mimic or enhance human senses
With bone degeneration causing chronic pain, which is steadily getting worse and worse, I can unfortunately relate to your comment only too well
I really hope to live long enough to experience the discovery of alien life. It seems only a matter of time, but who knows how long
Relatively soon
Yep, that's my only dream before I throw off this mortal coil.
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We might survive thousands of years to come and never discover alien life, perhaps a novel biosphere of microbes which would be the greatest discovery of all time without question which would be alien life but not what we want.
People been saying that based on no evidence for decades Man.@@NoticerOfficial
If you could gradually replace every neuron with an artificial one in a way that you didn't even notice, would you even have any interest in spending thousands or millions of years exploring when you can see and do anything simply by imagining it? Maybe that's an answer to the Fermi Paradox: by the time a species advances enough to be able to travel the vast distances between stars or between galaxies, they've become completely immersed in their own imagined worlds, perhaps not even interacting with each other anymore because they're too busy managing their own little AI civilizations.
You could, but such technology is so far ahead of what we're capable, it's not even funny. When you look how antiquated some notions about what and how the human brain is/functions, you feel like crying. On account of some religious BS, a lot of science regarding that organ just didn't happen, so we're severely lacking in that department. It could be another hundred years before we catch up with things like the human heart, bones, and other things alike. Which puts into perspective the truth about so called AI, there is no AI so far, and there won't be for a long time, because we have no platform for it to become alive on. We're no closer to imitating human brains (or any brains) for an AI to reside in, than we are leaving (alive) the solar system in the next 50 years). So far, it's just a specialized program that does the equivalent to AI of the old ladies in the telephone building, linking people from their query to the ones they want to call via connection wires.
Augmented reality has been a suggested solution to the Fermi paradox, and one thst I personally believe to be very likely
have we already.....?
Maybe, but that sounds hedonistic and shortsighted. Very human sounding attributes. There are probably civilizations like that, but probably others with the technology and desire to secure the longevity of their species through expansion
Like JMG said, not everybody wants to climb Mount Everest, but some do. Most people might prefer and sit and vegetate as they go virtual, but some won't. We're humans after all, we never in the history of humanity, have agreed 100% on anything. Even if only 1% of us decide to go out there, that will be enough. 1% of 8 bln is still an awful lot of people. That's like the population of Germany.
Dude, you have put together a really great channel here. I'm really psyched that I came across it and am now happily subscribed and look forward to checking out all your other content. Keep up the great work, brotha.
Brotha from another motha.
Bro that’s so dope I envy you I remember when I first found this Chanel and those couple months were great
Welcome to the universe in which we liiiiiive
We are currently on a generational starship called Earth…it’s been on a mission since it’s inception, however all the maintenance records and instruction manuals have been lost or hidden! This may sound crazy, but we aren’t trapped, we are moving somewhere. We are NOT fixed in space. Also since we are such “materialists”, maybe if we thought of Earth as a Ship we would maintain it much better…✌🏼😊🤙🏼
Yes we are trapped. We and aliens are trapped in our solar systems too.
At this rate, we might be trapped on this planet, all of us.
Trapped alone on a dying world, in an empty universe. We are so much smaller and insignificant and rare and magical than we believe; but we take it all for granted...
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!! *_*starts attaching plasma rifle battery packs*_* ( oДo)
Right now yes we are trapped but maybe a few centuries from now we won’t.
Some of the relief and assurance I feel in JMG's videos is how it sticks to questions rather than answers. Flimsy assertions of what is "likely" are boring. Rather, questions about what lies just beyond the outer reaches of science are where new ideas for experiments are born.
We have a saying in playing pool; ya gotta see the shot to make the shot. Thanks for helping us see shots we might take.
I've told you before how I know we're not alone. That at least is consolation.
Does it bother me that those in charge would hide it? of course, but that's another subject.
We trapped? Honestly a great Q that makes me wish Heinlein was still alive.
The problem with long travel times isn't just that it's boring and it's hard to live long enough - it's the opportunity cost. However fancy and rich and advanced a society might be (human or ET or AI), they'd always gain more by investing their time and resources near to home than by launching it into the distant abyss, seldom to be heard from again. There's just not much purpose to it.
Someone will do it anyway, Mt. Everest style, or Noah's Ark style or whatever - but there won't be an inevitable expansion to fill the galaxy, or even more than a handful of populated stars.
Think of the internet lag.
Some impact or stellar event might happen in our galactic inner city. This is why aliens are likely to migrate out into the more empty and safe intergalactic rural realms.
Even if only 1% of the population would be willing to do it, there's 8 bln of us currently. There might be a multitude of that spread out across the solar system by the time this were to be possible. 1% of 8 bln is like the population of Germany. Who almost conquered all of Europe a few decades ago. You can do a lot with 80 mln willing people. The Americas were colonized from Europe with a willing to go there percentage of that size before the steam engine made it really easy.
The time lag is the reason to do it. When, not if the homeworld dies, maybe not All die... see more than your own wellbeing
Yeah, unless quantum entanglement allows a way around the speed of causality, the light-lag limits human comfort in communications to about the orbital radius of the Moon.
On the infinitesminally small chance they find a habitable planet and get set up. Do you think they would call their intranet, Arknet?
I love thinking about these subjects, you have such a nice way of talking about it.
I have read the book "Between the Strokes of Night" by Charles Sheffield. and in it he posits a sub light way of exploring the galaxy and possible the universe that is very different to any thing else i have heard about, it was an interesting read. I was wondering if the universe was a simulation being run to try and combat boredom for the crew and passengers of a sub light generation ship and we have all agreed to have our memories wiped before entering it so that for a time ( One life time) we forget that we are on a slow and boring trip to a new star.
Interesting idea - a middle generation would certainly resent their entire lives being in service to such a task. We may be middle-gens being fooled by a simulation so we don't take an axe to the StarDrive
Ah right in time for bed time wind down! Your voice is so relaxing. SO and me have at least listened to every video you’ve made I think.
What an amazing video JMG. Keep up the good work
Love and appreciate your work Mr Godier!
I know at this time is sounds insane, but the speed of light will be like the speed of sound. The barrier will be broken, we just cannot imagine it because we know so little in the overall scheme of things.
Absolutely love this channel. JMG’s ability to just make you think is amazing!
Agreed
Yes!!! Can’t wait to watch this tonight. Thanks JMG
Getting some of us through some really difficult times atm. Thank you
Keep up the fight.
Hang in there
The vastness of space makes me think that maybe in a galaxy far, far away there is another version of JMG making the same thoughts about their own galaxy. Thanks, John, for another great video.
Chances are the universe is infinite and there are exact copies of you and me and everything out there causally disconnected from us. In fact there are infinite number of copies.
And each of those infinite copies is just like JMG, expect perhaps for some minute detail, like, instead of suspiciously eyeing, he himself, instead, is being suspiciously eyed by some implement in his kitchen!
*_*hits bong*_*
If we can survive long enough, I do wonder what sort of "exchanges" we'll get when Andromeda comes around.
We won't though, the sun will eat the earth or make it basically like mercury or Venus and we'll have no moon left to direct our tides and maintain axial tilt. Unfortunately no humans or any other species will be remaining to see Andromeda fill up our night skies, which is kinda really sad in a way given how beautiful it would be before collision anyway...
Thanks a bunch for the video, John!!! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Imagine if alien families had their own version of an RV but with warp drives to take road trips around the universe
They should make a show about that
there is a movie about that. “Explorers” made in 1985. The kids steal the spaceship. Giant alien parents come get them at the end. And the theme song was “ all around the world rock n roll is here to stay” 😂
thats what you imagine?
@@Voe198 he imagine about yo mama
@@reedraikes7471Two examples come to mind.
● Space Family Robinson, a TV series from the '70s
● Lost in Space, another TV series from the '60s
This man must think far faster than most can. The completeness of his thoughts is even more amazing.
As he speaks I start to wonder if he will mention a specific aspect of the situation he is describing,
and before my idea is fully formed, he covers the point I was considering.
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I get so happy when i see this man pop up in my feed. This video is gonna rock
I love this channel because unlike many other astrophysics channels, I'm fairly certain content here isn't generated by bots retreading the same stuff over and over again.
Thank you JMG, for awesome content 😎👍
Trapped is a strong word. Leaving is just an insurmountable inconvenience :)
JAFAHHHHR!!
A great Terry Pratchet quote at the end!
For many years of my life, I've fantasized about some sort of intelligent alien life appearing outside of my house, offering to take me on a tour of the universe. Even if it meant I could never return, I would do it. As difficult as it would be to leave my loved ones behind, it would be even more difficult to turn down my only opportunity to do that which I have dreamt about since I was a kid. I don't think I could live with myself if I declined. As it is, to know that I may not live to see our species move beyond Earth or maybe Mars, is a difficult reality for me to accept.
I have this same conversation with people all the time. If aliens came and gave me a spaceship right now that had the capability to explore the whole galaxy and said i can go but I can never return to earth. I would still go with no hesitation. I've been an explorer since I was a kid. Even as an adult I travel around exploring places. Give me that ship and I'll never return
Humans are violent, greedy psychopaths - aliens almost certainly don't expend the effort to scan all human brains to find an exception when they can just never land and have an easier life.
Great. Now I have claustrophobia on a galactic scale. Thank you JMG.
Your opening is very much the anime Knights of Sidonia where a hollowed out asteroid is being used as an Ark to carry humans to a colony world. The people are genetically modified to metabolize light like plants so they don't need to consume food. Most are also clones of the original members of the colony, with some of them actually being the originals that have found the way to become immortal and live forever.
Nice John Green reference. Your fan from Colorado, USA.
Sounds like a good idea for a screenplay. If done right I'd love to watch it. 🔥
Thanks for another upload🎉
Idk if anyone here is an avenged sevenfold fan but their album "the stage", is a concept album that talks about some of the things JMG talks about.
"Paradigm" is a song about the shift from being a living breathing person to becoming a full fledged cyborg and whther or not you lose yourself in the process.
"Fermi paradox" kind of tackles with the definition of the subject but still touches on some key points about it here and there.
"Simulation" is basically if life was a simulation in a7x eyes.
"Higher" could be either about an astronaut leaving earth behind for a journey or just a metaphor for passing on and going "higher" to the heavens to be with someone you lost. Either way its a nice song.
If you're a melodic rock/metal fan or just want to see what im talking about then i recommend giving the whole album a listen.
It’s quite the bird cage.
I’ve heard that a strong argument against the feasibility of the Alcubierre drive is that the exotic matter used to create the “bubble” would necessarily have to travel faster than light while outside the internal pocket of flat spacetime. It has been hypothesized that you could continuously introduce new exotic matter to the wavefront instead and have it trail back behind the bubble in a sort of “tail,” but who knows what the limitations of that might be were it even possible.
Love this channel!
I never thought of life extension before extended space exploration. Thanx.
I was so unafraid of dying all my life. I've had countless overdoses and none of them scared me even a little bit. Yet somehow now that I've got my life together the idea of dying scares me. I don't know what comes after. I'm also scared to lose my mom. I'm very close to her. That's all unrelated to this video. I know. Just had to share that.
Your touching commentary portrays much. Without conversation ask yourself how do I relate to Nature like the Four Seasons Cycle.
“Creating new universes is far in the future.” A new pothead thought to ponder.
The last point John makes invoking the Fermi paradox solution of a civilization entering fully into a simulated universe to explore instead of their original “base reality” is intriguing. It seems to be a much more practical way of living an existence of exploration. Or an existence of whatever you might fancy. Just jack into the universe that suits your tastes. Then humanity essentially becomes a relic as AI carries the torch of evolution in the original universe. A future that I think is inevitable regardless of how it unfolds.
Ahh not to sound ungrateful to be alive in such an exciting epoch… but I can’t help letting my mind wander .. a few hundreds of years into the future… :) great show (as always) thank you 🙏🏼
I really like SFIAs approach with space where landmarks don’t really stop once you leave the solar system and eventually the galaxy, they just become more sparse. Hopping from brown dwarfs to rogue planets to black holes to intergalactic stars, before reaching a new galactic continent.
I think there is enough to explore in this galaxy alone to keep us busy until the heat death.
lots of icy rocks and gas balls. Woohoo
Let's wait for the Big crunch.
Nice video !
The asteroid city would make a great book / movie John.
This is the best channel on TH-cam. Found you about 2 months ago and I listen to you every night before I sleep.
What if you hitched a ride on a rogue planet already heading in a suitable direction?
This channel is legit gonna hit 1 million subs no so far from now
The show "another life" although kinda weird, has a ftl radiation buildup scene. Kinda cool.
❤❤❤❤ ❤❤❤❤ THANK YOU John… good work ❗️👍
This guy is making things up as he goes!
Check out Stephen Baxter's Manifold: Space regading the protective shade scenario.
"When this one's cashed" I laughed so hard and I'm not even high. :D
very insightful sir.......
Accoutrements. Sick word
“Don’t Tell Fraser that the Canucks haven’t even had a winning season let alone no cup since he left for Proxima”
Hi, I hope you make an explanation video of all the Kardashev types, Ive seen other videos related tk that, but would love to see you making that topic.
Love your channel 07
Greg Bear deals with many of these grand themes in Eon and Eternity
If we can find a way to surf on spacetime just to navigate our own galaxy in a 'timely' manner rather than rely on subluminous methods, then other galaxies are most assuredly accessible to us
Sounds like a technology thousands of years from now.
Maybe but the distances between star systems in our own galaxy are so far apart that we can hardly fathom that distance but the distances between galaxies makes those spaces look insignificantly minor
@@jasonjones7451 I think it'd depend on (of course assuming we find one) how that 'surfing' function works and if you could just freely accelerate it like a bubble sliding outside of time's 'drag' then you could just keep on the gas for whatever you're using for acceleration and be at a galaxy in no time, of course assuming deceleration is also possible
Did you mention sleeper ships or did I miss it? Some sort of suspended animation seems to me to be the most plausible option for interstellar or intergalactic travel. A semi-hybrid system might be better, with transportees in cryo-sleep, while a skeleton crew takes turns cycling through shifts of living and working, and then going into sleep. Depending on tech and energy, maybe the crew cycle to cryo-sleep or non-frozen form of suspended animation or regenerative sleep.
yessssssss, headphones in bed to listen tonight!!!! thanks John!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh. Well, youre welcome!
"The Possum is The Alien" Solution:
please consider this to be a solution to the Fermi paradox: what if there are alien scientists in our Galaxy, or in the Andromeda galaxy, for that matter; and when they've got to the concept of the Von Neumann probes, they could have had a discussion on the ways to propagate them across the vastness of space, where one could have merely remarked "let's post 'em in different star systems of our liking", and due to a misunderstanding, they did... possum. I'd watch the Le Baron and the cookie jar twice as vigilantly now.
My favorite part of any night is story time with John Michael Godier.
I'm now emptying my bowl with the words "this universe is cashed" lol
Thanks!
Thank you
Your series will be shown at Burning Man this year! P.s This toke is for you JMG, as per every video. Ill always be a fanboy of yours. Thanks again for opening our minds to the universe.
When he said “this is far future stuff, near the end of time” when the universe is so far expanded 🤯
Would not it be possible that in this type of travel people are connected to a kind of simulation while traveling in a ship, being monitored by an AI in charge of keeping them alive? In this way they could avoid the uprising of the crew and several other problems.
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A very excellent question. My answer is: Extra Galactic Travel must be the next level after Star Travel and Time Travel.
The universe is Thom York singing "Nude" in another universe and when he stops, thus will our own universe end.
There was an episode of Star Trek that dealt with this. The people followed a strict religion and had obedience devices implanted in their heads. Climbing the mountains was prohibited. The episode is, "For the World is Hollow, I Have Touched the Sky".
Good point
I come for the intriguing ideas, I stay for the liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive
What if the Entire Universe was easily traversable with a Wormhole Rapid Transit System built by Aliens.
Maybe im just seeing it but the jmg logo on the bottom right of the vid is very nice
In which we liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive. I chuckle every time.
“It’s turtles all the way down” needs to be a meme somehow.
I kind of have my doubz that the entire concept of replacing each cell by nanobots would open up the possibillity to have ones conciousness be able to be represented as a string of numbers. Wouldnt the supossed nanomachines just have to be as squishy and moist doing metabolism. Anyway greate Video, the laserbeam aliens sound just like what PkD had described in Valis imo.
I think the most likely scenario to be feasible is stasis a la "Passengers". The crew and passengers are put into stasis for nearly the entire journey. The ship is then run by either complete AI control or by crew who are staggered to take a shift (ie, if the journey will take 200 years - you have 40 sets of crew who each take a 5 year shift to maintain the ship along the way).
I see this as the logical course IF seamless transition to and from stasis with no aging occuring while in statis is possible.
We just don't know what consciousness is though, until then I don't see how this would be possible :(
I think transfer to another body is more real you if you gain access to the second body while in full control of the first. if all of the computation is in tandem between the two, you can then just turn off the original body while you are in both, and remain in the second.
Believe it or not, the whole uap thing has given me hope we may explore the universe someday. That tic tax thing literally defied physics. I probably wouldn’t give it much cred if not for the reliability of the sources, but maybe there are some loopholes in this universe.
i wouldn't be surprised if humanity is one of 1-5 species in this galaxy that have attained sapience and technological progress in one form or another
That's what Filipenko said in his Lex Friedman podcast. I think so too. Took Earth 500 million years to produce humans since first complex life evolved. But then again, pentagon hearings show ufos are here, so it must be possible since those gotta be aliens.
Where do you get your stock footage?
Mostly pixabay these days.
Have you ever considered yourself Transgender Tay? Do you know the concept of AGP? I understand this is a bizzare question but I was curious after watching your video on “what if I were a woman?” Also i see you all over the place haha, we frequent the same youtubers.
Travelling to the nearest dwarf galaxy takes less time than just going across this galaxy.
We are not trapped with the Galaxy. The Galaxy is trapped with us!
:Starts messing the galaxies stuff up and generally increasing entropy:
Ima say, for all intents yes we're stuck in this galaxy. Maybe it's not physically impossible to get there, but it's such a hassle, and for so little gain... Nobody gonna do that.
Hopping over during a collision is much easier and doesn't count.
I don't even think interstellar travel is generally worthwhile. Intergalactic is just nuts.
How many galaxies could even be reached at realistic speeds?
Just chillax I say, let the local group gather itself.
Let's smash Andromeda! I like it.
Generation ship is the theme of the excellent old SF series The Starlost.
Hey John, do a video on the knowledge of the Dogone tribe in Africa who had knowledge of the 3 stars and planets of the Proxima star system because of ancient visitation and why science isn't publicly trying to learn MUCH more about it. I'm sure you could see cover up here🙂 thanks
the vast intersteller distances amount to a quarantine system. Which is all good.