How Old Could the First Alien Civilizations Be?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2023
- An exploration of how old the first alien civilizations could be, or how early in the history of the universe were planets possible.
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JMGs worst fear is that hyperadvanced aliens will come down and tell us everything we want to know about the universe. There wouldn't be any content left for his channel.
He is a sophisticated Bracewell probe slowly easing us into the idea of full disclosure.
Funny thing is, people wouldn't believe them.
I can't come to an agreement regarding cohabitation with a cockroach that is only 300 mil years apart from me, how are aliens with 8 BILION years separation going to tell us anything?
Then JMT gotta colab with the aliens
this caught me so off guard I bursted out laughing
John's on a roll these days.
Yes he is, must have ants in his bed 😂
You're right but these days, in light of social media monetization & fear-mongerd unemployment (including but not limited to death), we call it a turnover.
His videos slap during alien disclosure lol
John's always on a roll. He's my favorite on TH-cam by far.
John does not simply "go on" a roll.
John IS the roll.
JMG is a legend.
Taking us to the edge of the galaxy and on a fantastic voyage through a parallel universe, one video at a time.
Surely a technological society can only exist when the host planet has built up sufficient resources to enable technological progress. On earth technology could not have advanced without its large reserves of fossil fuels. At the start of the industrial revolution it became clear early on that here in England, there just were not enough trees to fuel the iron works furnaces. If the coal reserves had not built up over the millions of years of the Devonian there would have been no Industrial revolution, and we would be locked in the Middle Ages only advancing very slowly. Also, earth seems to have been blessed with a reasonable balance of land mass and oceans. Imagine a water world with only a few percent of land mass, no chance of building up sufficient reserves of fossil fuels or even growing sufficient biomass. The planet may well be inhabited by intelligent life, but they would have no chance to develop technology though they may be capable of manipulating their environment as for example do some cephalopods. A desert planet would also fail to build up sufficient reserves to enable technological advancement. I just cannot see that there is anyway around this conundrum - No fossil fuels - no large scale industrialisation and therefore no technological advancement. Also no coal, forget all about the mass production of steel and cement and all that entails, Renewable energy sources would be limited to primitive wind and water mills. Who's to say that all habitable planets go through a period when Large fossil fuel reserves are formed? There may be many planets where life has formed but it cannot fully advance due to limited resources.
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Try Orange Sunshine. 😮
@@user-lt9py2pu6uthis is ridiculous. You act like humans on earth could have only gotten to where we are due to fossil fuels... everything humans have accomplished could have easily been accomplished without fossil fuels...
@@user-lt9py2pu6ujust a sidenote, coal deposits were mainly formed during the CARBONiferous period
Extraterrestrial civilizations could be right under our galactic "nose" but could be communicating using means unknown or purely theoretical to us. I've always thought of those SETI programs looking for radio signals as overall a good for humanity, yet akin to trying to read smoke signals set off in the Himalayas from the Andes.
Unless they have a cosmic prime directive all races follow .only make contact when a certain level of technology is reached.
That is exactly the case. They can be using particles or field we don't even know that exist. Or even subtle variations of gravitational waves, with our current technology we can only detect two giant black holes colliding, imaging to detect the gravitational distortion of a butterfly, we are hundred or maybe thousand of years of such sensibility
@@blogattacker And or this is a simulation. Solar system might be created after all. You probably wouldn't believe it, even if you saw it.
They've been right next to us for thousands of years.
@@jimmypaladinomusicCorrect. Much more likely they have been here for millenia. As anthropological and archeological evidence suggests.
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Right there with you.
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"The alien agenda, if revealed, would undoubtedly send shockwaves through humanity, forever altering our perception of reality. Mundane interests and burdensome mortgages would become trivial matters in the face of mind-bending physics and extraordinary discoveries. With unequivocal proof of the human Soul and the afterlife, a new era of communication with the deceased would commence, allowing us to explore realms beyond our wildest imagination. As the Soul's ability to traverse the universe at the speed of thought is unveiled, the very fabric of our existence would undergo an unprecedented transformation. No longer plagued by unanswered questions or unsolved crimes, humanity would stand on the precipice of a truly remarkable future."
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Thank you for mentioning the actual FIRST exoplanets that were discovered by Wolszczan and Frail.
They often get undeservedly overlooked in favor of the first exoplanet discovered around a Sun-like star.
Oh I was around in those days. I well remember it. Everyone in the astronomy community was waiting for confirmation of our suspicion that exoplanets were everywhere. Then Wolszczan and Frail nailed it.
You guys say your smart but there are no aliens, life didn’t happen by chance, theres is nothing out there how long will you look, lol, aliens are demonic entities your all fools
@@JohnMichaelGodier I cant imagine living in a period of time where you were not for sure that there were planets outside the solar system. Thats got to be some crazy stuff right there and the confirmation mustve been crazier
@@jutlan854 Imagine when Hubble realised that smudge of presumed gas was a whole other Galaxy.. Just like that the Universe got unimaginably bigger.. I bet his mind was blown
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Another great video, John.
Thank you for the intellectual stimulation. 😊
Sincerely, thanks a lot for explaining astronomy in such precise and professional way, and for taking questions like alien life and the UFO question with seriousness. Your insights are very good, and you explain and discuss this subjects very well to people like me who aren't from the realm of astronomy or physics in general.
well said, I'm glad he's growing more popular. event horizon is excellent also.
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Panspermia inside a star system is more likely than between the stars. So finding life on several planets wouldn't imply that they also exist in other systems.
He did mention genetically distinct life, if panspermia happened within our solar system we'd probably be able to tell if we came from the same source
Your videos are quite possibly some of the best on TH-cam thanks John we appreciate you!
I absolutely love both of this man's channels. I find it mind-blowing topics about space.
I didn't know he had another one. Which one is it?
@@ddmarty event horizon. As releases a new video every Thursday
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I get very excited anytime a new video from JMG drops. It's my highlight of the day.
Same. There's no one like him. He could even be on TV, even if it's an overnight slot.
Another great one buddy
Been listening to your videos every morning at work at 4 am. Thanks for keeping me entertained during the sleepiest and worst hours.
Appreciate all the content lately, cheers John.
Great stuff as always John...I am getting to the point where I expect nothing less than the best from you. Thank you 😊
I’m always so excited to see your new videos
There is something special about listening to this or an Art Bell show.. there's that magical energy that happens after midnight.. i remember being a little kid and listening to Art Bell then about 6 or 7 years ago Secureteam10 use to be on a roll for a couple years.. now its the John Michael Godier period.
There's actually an untold story there. I knew Art Bell. Back in the mid 90's for a time I worked in radio and I'd listen to coast and email him weird science stories (same sort of stuff I cover now, I've always been this way) and it became a conversation that lasted for 20 years. During his last comeback before he passed away, I was helping him with writing press releases and was considering doing a podcast on his digital network. He had to retire again for various reasons before I took that plunge, but he urged me to take my material to TH-cam and use the radio voice, which contributed to why I started this channel.
I’ve been listening to old coast to coast episodes lately. They are nostalgic and comforting to listen to.
Awesome work as always!
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Have to go on a little trip away for a while soon, going to miss JMG, but looking forward the binge when I return.
God speed
Wish we knew more about that duration where the temperature for life was perfect everywhere, would have been an interesting time in our universe.
I think the most likely candidate for abiogenesis, is the comets themselves. They are a stable environment that has a lot of amino acids that could host a chemistry based repeating pattern that could fall into the soups of early planets and pick off where to left off.
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Interesting idea. It certainly fits with the fact that life began on earth basically as soon as it was possible.
Whatever came before bacteria, there's no evidence of it ever having lived here. That's not so much an argument for panspermia as it is a challenge to explain this missing gap in the fossil record. Without a second one for comparison (and due to some properties retained by certain bacteria as well), panspermia seems highly likely to me.
The only pushback I've heard to this argument is an emotional one, usually amounting to, 'Panspermia just pushes the origin problem somewhere else'. This says much more about the frustrations of the researcher who never had the option of sampling material from many different comets than it says about how life may have arisen in the cosmos, to use your example.
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No. They just figured out that the most likely genetic ancestor of the mitochondrion has a parallel in a bacterium today, which lives in extreme environments.
If you are gonna' be the winner in energy capture, makes sense that you grow up in the most energetic gradients.
Judging from the current situation in my country and in other countries too (wildfires out of control), I tend to think that it is possible for many civilizations having existed and being extinct long time ago. However, I still hope that we will survive our technological adolescence. Thank you for another great video and kalimera from Athens, Greece, currently under a thick cloud of smoke.
only a huge space object would be able to completely wipe us out (or at least 99,999% of mankind). the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was about a BILLION nukes in strength and some lifeforms still survived
That's what I think too - but those civilisations are long gone -
they died out billions of years ago.
Fantastic video I really enjoyed it. Fascinating absolutely fascinating. I've liked & subscribed.
This channel brings me so much joy:). Thank you!
Still never a bad topic on your channel. Thanks JMG!
Your narration and scientific depth far exceeds that of the majority of professional production scientific documentaries that are surface level. Outstanding work
you are amazing John - keep it up.
Always great stuff, even if not everything is my favorite, a good portion of it is top notch in my interests....and the voice is hypnotic. A 12 hour compilation, I'd put it on to learn and think and grow even sleeping. 😂
Merçi, John! Thank you
I still feel like the answer to both the Fermi "Paradox" and all these other questions on life in the universe could most easily be answered by acknowledging the ability for heavy elements to form in substantial quantities was relatively recent.
We have some very specific needs for certain elements which can only be formed after several generations of stars have come and gone. I think we are probably one of the earliest planets to form life, let alone to have enough time for that life to evolve to us. Obviously there could easily be other planets that are a billion years our elder, but I think those would be much less common than the nunber of planets that have yet to form.
And even if it's not a widely accepted concept, I also believe that there's some chance that there were much older human (or hominid) civilizations that have been erased from the archeological record, possibly even those that fled the planet before a catastrophic event (like the Younger-Dryes "event(s)." Maybe those are the UFO/UAP we've seen so much about. And maybe they were just checking back in on their descendants.
But in any case, I think it's highly likely that we are very early to the "civilization" thing. Maybe the conditions for advanced civilizations are an extremely recent step in the universe's evolution. In that case, there will be tons of civilizations that form later down the line (and far away) that will see our techno-signatures and begin to try to make contact, no realizing that we went extinct millions of years before their messages reach this pile of ash.
Wonderful channel I’m glad to have found. Spend time thinking about your work the way I would a great film.
I find the idea of being alone in the universe to be absolutely horrifying,.. no matter how unlikely it is to be true.
It's almost impossible for humans to be the only life in universe. Even if life has a 0.0000000001 probability of of developing in the universe. There would still be hundreds of millions of planets with life on them.
Even if we are not alone, other civilizations would likely be so far away as to make contact impossible on a human timescale. There could be 100 active civilizations in our galaxy right now *and they could all be separated by thousands of light years.* Getting a response to a message could take longer than human civilization has existed so far.
even if there is just ONE highly advanced civilization in every galaxy of a billion planets or so, there are still a trillion galaxies lol. let's say it's even more rare like one of a thousand galaxies, there could still be billions of civilizations out there, even one every million galaxies would be a massive amount really
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This is a real good one John. Things are getting very "Spooky" indeed.
Another video winner. I like speculative science. It's like stretching the body, it takes the kinks out.
It could be worthwhile to trace back and locate Sol's litter mates. It might be a likely choice to finding complex life, especially if some of those planets were similar to earth in their own early stages.
Agreed. If it happened here shouldn't we be looking for the closest relatives of our star to see if thier planetary systems are similar enough that life could also exist?
4 billion years of stellar drift is a tricky thing to recreate. Our stellar cousins might be harder to locate than a needle in a haystack.
Always very interesting and informative videos. Thanks John.
in "Voyage of the Space Beagle" by AE Vogt, human beings on an interstellar expedition encounter evidence that a mysterious alien civilization has been "re-setting" habitable worlds every time they develop intelligent life
This was awesome. Gotta love your exit bro!
Great video John!
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Another great and informative video!
Thanks!
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Oh good. Was just about to go to bed. As much as I love listening to your voice I find it hard not to be smoothed into sleep.
I've always wondered if the exact situation of our solar system was obtained through "shortcuts" or if the requirements aren't so stringent and we are late to the game.
It's weird if we are "late to the game" given that we haven't found hints of anyone else and our models indicate that we are incredibly early for how long is the Universe supposed to sustain life.
If you subscribe to simulation theory, even as just a possibility, it's not out of the question that whatever beings are simulating us might've used shortcuts in our case, the same way we mess around with cheat codes and console commands in video games just because we can.
I guess it's one of those things that's actually simpler if you believe in God, because then you can ascribe whatever weirdness in the cosmos (like our existence) to something we can't understand outwith reality as we know it.
Trippy stuff...
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Comforting! 😮 And these videos are absolute bangers. I learn *a lot.*
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I think the Fermi Paradox in general assumes a level of capability to observe the universe that seems to far exceed what we currently have. We can barely tell if something even *is* a planet when it's not all that far away.
Think of it like this, if we just highlighted the entire solar system, copied and pasted it (let's say... 122 years ago so we get all those sweet sweet radio waves out there) -- how far would we have to put it before we could no longer be sure it's inhabited by life? I mean copy and paste EVERYTHING, all the people, the exact history, just a second identical solar system out there.
At what point could we be even reasonably sure that *that* Earth was inhabited by a civilization of any type? Even using radio waves, 122 light years seems really far and like you'd barely get anything at all. And beyond that? It seems wild to me to expect to just be able to "see" civilizations out there. Especially using broad assumptions like the Kardashev scale, which could be wildly off the mark.
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Great episode man
Thank you for this video I was thinking about this question a lot
Great video John.
Awesome information about one of the oldest planets at the end and how early alien civilizations could have formed.
Fantastic video, John! Thanks a bunch!!! 😊
My biggest concern is: when we find something from an alien civilization are we going to be able to recognize it as so? Perhaps we already detected something, but attributed to some natural phenomenon. Who knows...
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I doubt we'd be able to recognize it once we factor in vastly different levels of technological development, forms of existence, etc. I mean, we currently can't do much to detect signs of life (intelligent or otherwise) at a distance if it's not yet at the stage of using radio, and that's assuming something like radio is a universal technology.
At the other extreme, we're the most advanced species we know of, so we just can't know what's possible even for a species like us given hundreds/thousands of years more technological/biological development. The most interesting space sci fi is the stuff that explores aliens so advanced that they no longer have physical bodies. How would we go about looking for something like that unless it happens to leave a 'footprint' like radio waves?
I guess another aspect of the Fermi paradox is that the window for intelligent species of a certain 'level' to be detectable to other species of a similar level must be statistically pretty small.
Fascinating stuff...
Great video! I hope I live long enough for scientists to answer some of these questions definitively.☄🌌🔭
My solution to the Fermi paradox is that the odds that any two civilizations co-existed in the galaxy are very, very small.
But it's equally possible that other civilizations exist and are simply not willing/able to transmit detectable signals for some reason; thousands of years of human history and we've only been able to transmit for about 2 centuries.
even if there is just ONE highly advanced civilization in every galaxy of a billion planets or so, there are still a trillion galaxies lol. let's say it's even more rare like one of a thousand galaxies, there could still be billions of civilizations out there, even one every million galaxies would be a massive amount really
Even if they are 10 light-years away we still wouldn't notice
JMG is the best kind of weird. He makes astronomy astronomically more interesting and I hope he never stops asking questions.
That was a great episode
Worst thing about the loss of incandescent light bulb is u cant replace the bulbs in lava lamps any more:(
You are simply unbelievable Mr. Godier. Thank you so much for providing us with such extraordinary, thought-provoking content at no cost. Do you have a Patreon or any merchandise where we could pay you back??
I know of a podcast, Event Horizon.
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Woo-hoow two amazing videos in just two days. Our man Godier here is on fire
Its been a minute since ive watched JMG. Glad to be back
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Nice job
Another banger from the GOAT!
I am glad John has slowly enough subscribers to make a dime or two. Suggestion, try doing an interview with Roger Penrose, Hawking points.....
i recommend the film "Melancholia", which features a rogue planet hitting Earth
I love this channel.
Cool thumbnail, John! Makes me think about the way astronomers name cosmic bodies 😉
Been spoiled with these uploads..
We are not worthy of this rate of videos dropping. But we’ll sure as hell take it!
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This might be one of the most important videos on TH-cam
Hahaha great outro. Love those names
Fresh upload, yes please!
Pumping em out recently! Hell yea 😊
Another inspiring video. One day could you add to the series by doing one with the theme of if aliens are reaching the earth how are they reaching here? I am not talking about panspermia, but actual visitations. It was Carl Sagan who made it clear that the distance between stars is so great then any conventional space travel would be near impossible. So are there alternatives? Can we learn anything from UAP sightings? Are wormholes linking points in space a possibility?
Ah, the Late Heavy Bombardment, or as I like to call it, the Good Hard Pounding.
Finally I can got to bed!
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The most maddening aspect of this question is pretty much knowing something is out there and just not being able to prove it. Just like how UAP are constantly observed, yet nobody can tell what they are or where they come from.
I think the filter is getting the right intelligent life form. It has to have a life cycle and shape that is agreeable with technology.
Dolphins got the brains and family structure, but no hands and no way to get out of water.
Octopus have the brains ans the hands, so to speak, but can't get out of water and die after spawning, so they can't teach each other.
Always got time for John Michael Godier and his great ideas and great guests Big thinking Big ideas Big universe in which we liìiiiive ❤😊
The best "in which we liiiiive" I've heard yet
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Tganks John!
This man makes excellent videos on the greatest nature cosmic phenomena in our Universe. Maybe in a million years we will be able to explore the lot in micro seconds.