Alien Messages in The Cold and the Dark: Survival Machines
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- An exploration of the possibilities of alien survival von neumann probes designed to serve as lifeboats for interstellar travelers.
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In the first Horus Heresy novel, a war fleet travels to what they think is an emergency beacon left by some human civilization but not in a language they understand... they find a planet crawling with murderous bug aliens, and so they invade it and attempt to exterminate them and possibly come to the rescue of whoever left the beacon. They find out too late that the beacon was a quarantine marker.
Didn't think I'd find Warhammer 40k here.
This planet is indeed, Murder.
That is crazy. But a great warning though
Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Love when warhammer bleeds into other things I love. For the emperor!
@NiceToLizards This. World. Is. Murder.
John, When the droning music kicks in and I hear your voice, a definitive calm washes over me. Thank you for your content.
Sure, it's because you're at one of about twelve TH-cam channels that don't insult your intelligence.
I think the thought of some distant alien civilization finding the Voyager probe in billions of years and working tirelessly to decrypt it's messages is so cool.
Same. I also like the thought of humans so far in the future they go 'looking' for it to put it in a museum as one of the last objects from our time.
V-Ger.......
As long as it doesn't get used for target practice :-)
Just for them on day 1 of discovering Voyager and realising OTHERS will fill them with emotions we have also yet to behold
Hopefully they'll replace the RTG battery and fix the broken parts.
I've done the sitting in a submarine thing. Also popping up to the surface for a swim call hundreds of miles from the nearest land. You do really get a sense of how isolated you are when you do that. And that's just on our planet. The idea of being millions or even trillions of miles from Earth...my God.
Not a lot of people think about how terrifying vast expanses of darkness, with little or no hope of survival or return. One of the scariest pictures I have seen . Is the picture of a NASA astronaut. He is floating untethered. Wearing only a prototype compressed gas jet pack to get back. He was 300ft but might as well have been 300 light years. Should something go wrong with the propulsion. Behind him , the Earth is floating in space. I would shit my pants. That guy was absolutely fearless.
The only time I’ve ever been scared of water, hands to bathe in the Indian Ocean, no fish, no sea weed, just a vast blackness under the surface where anything could be lurking.
A different breed, submariners, I'm infantry, but you guys. I always pick your brains.
Yeah when i was a kid i wanted to be a astronaut then when i grew up I'm like those dudes are bat shit crazy there's no way in hell I'm getting on a space ship you have to be one of those adrenaline junkies or have a Indiana jones type mind state.
Finally have some SPACE!
I can't believe Godier doesn't have at least 1m subscribers....He is fantastic.....amazing content, so well researched, creative, sometimes riveting, immensely articulate.
Why can't you believe it? Why that number? Why bother posting this pointless comment?
@@edwardhinton1615 It is an obvious fact of human perception that we tend to love big numbers and also number 10 and its multiples and powers. Apart from that, JMG deserves a lot more recognition and I am pretty sure that he will gain it in the foreseeable future.
@@LAMPROS311 best unintentional asmr ever
if you love the topic even better
@@edwardhinton1615 Why bother posting this pointless comment criticizing this person for appreciating John Michael Godier?
@JustMike Why bother posting this pointless comment criticizing a pointless comment? Uh...wait...
I haven't watched JMG in far too long, uploaded this just when i needed it! I assume that was intentional, just for me.
You have my eternal gratitude!
Incorrect. I was the intended audience. Your interception of the signal intended for me was purely incidental.
JMG works in mysterious ways.
This guy is one of the most amazing TH-camrs and content creators on this platform. Massively underrated.
+ Isaac Arthur within this genre , Anton Petrov and Anastasi In Tech
>underrated
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
This is one of those generic copy paste comments
His subs need to hit millions please spread the message
Im curious about HD101065. After initially discovering the abundance of heavy elements in it, have we ever taken another look at it? As near as i can tell we looked at it, said "huh thats weird" and just moved on from it. Id love for someone to study it more in depth do we can see whats actually going on if anything.
I am always excited to see new content on your channels. Thanks for all you do!
If that star turns out to be a technosignature, that straight-up proves we're outclassed, and to a degree which, to most of us, is actually unfathomable. Multiple singularities ahead of us, to say the least.
At least we'd have god's address.
It also however proves that, whatever exists out there isn't just interested in wiping us out before we even evolve to that point. If they were, they wouldn't warn us; that star is either a beacon meant to say hello, or it's a "Stay off my lawn" sign, or both. Either way, they probably aren't interested in hunting us down for sport, water, or slaves.
Multiple singulari... your attempts to advertise your intellect are backfiring.
Maybe, maybe not. It could be the work of a species dumber than we are--dumb enough to dump nuclear waste into their own sun on a vastly automated, A.I. run basis. Meaning the A.I. keeps chugging along, long after life stops being viable on any worlds present, thanks to poisoned solar flares.
But yes, the alternative IS a bunch of exo-folk who went off the deep end of atomi-punk technology thousands of years (relative to us) ago. And perhaps to the point of having a small interstellar empire or some such. There's a range to this, but the range of it seems to suggest it's confined to either an Extreme Nuclear Fission Age range of tech, or perhaps out to Early Diamond Age Nanotechnology. So nothing entirely outside of what we can imagine as yet.
@@QapNPoo well that was hostile
I love how deeply your videos encourage me to think🙏 I lived for a time in Summit County, Colorado and have come across such cabins many times when getting intentionally lost in the mountains. I had never considered the similarities between the techniques and traditions of outdoorsmanship and that of hypothetical space exploration, but it is fascinating food for thought!
Imagine legions of these survival machines made of pure iron travelling through the universe, aimless as it has been quadrillions of years since the big bang and there are no more destinations to travel to. Just objects covered in text left by aliens trying to immortalize themselves by putting their entire civilization onto physical material before the last of the residual energy goes out and everything stabilizes. That's depressing, albeit in the incomprehensibly far future
I adore your sense of humor....that line at the end "well...they ment well" had me giggling coffee out at work
Great video! That's so cool that we might have already observed a techno sig in that star. Sounds like a job for JWST.
Whoever wrote this video deserves a raise. This is one of your best. A new classic!
5:59 Imagine watching the Earth appearing smaller and smaller like that as you keep moving away from it. What an impressive sight that must be.
It's painful to be a creature that thrives on exploration and learning, yet held back from doing so in the most expansive and fascinating frontier. Wish I could go to space, I'd kill just to reach the ISS for five minutes.
Equal parts horrifying as impressive
Robots don't get bored? A famous one once said "The first ten million years were the worst. And the second ten million: they were the worst, too. The third ten million I didn't enjoy at all. After that, I went into a bit of a decline."
Another mind-blowing, must watch video by John Michael Godier. Keep up the good work 👏
Incredible. I always get fascinated by Przybylski's Star.
Your videos are great. I have been a fan for a long time. Thank you for your content.
My thoughts on Generation Ships is still shaped by my childhood exposure to Heinlein's "Orphans of the Sky" and TSR's "Metamorphosis Alpha" (original edition, of course)
It's like you're explaining every thought I've ever had. I love you and this channel.
This is definitely inspiring some cool sci-fi ideas. 😊
Fascinating stuff, John! Thanks a bunch for the video! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
OUTSTANDING !! MANY THANKS ! MR. JOHN MICHAEL GODIER. FROM, U.K. (2023).
Amazing that everyone isn't trying to either confirm this or disproving this.
I'm imagining an emergency planet stockpiled with honey, Twinkies, Ramen soup and fruitcake, each with shelf lives of millennia.
the older i get the more i say "they just exist at a different time then us" since space is different times everywhere... "were alone now, we wont be forever"
that low temp beings bit at the end is a wild thought experiment
New content always get me excited John 😘.
That star is a fascinating find. Definitely warrants another look!
that spherical spaceship in the thumbnall reminds me of the spaceships from perry rhodan which is the oldest sci-fi series in the world (even older than star trek, the borgs for example were heavily inspired by the posbis from perry rhodan).
The opposite is also true of what you said at the beginning. Can’t have crowded without empty and can’t have empty without crowded.
The spectrum emissions of metal in stars, could also be bait!
You go there thinking - "Oh great, these nice aliens left use supplies. Then they capture you and your space ship, extract the information of your worlds position and then consume/conquer them!" The equivalent of a box propped up with a stick, tied to a piece of lettuce.
Thank you for your videos I truly enjoy them
Top man... perfect timing just crawling into bed
Love the Rama quote. A. C. Clarke had such vision in his books.
Space is so amazing, mysterious, scary, unimaginably ancient, untouchably vast and haunting. Its a huge mystery puzzle unlikely to be solved in our lifetime.
I was also asking earlier but thought my question to be excessive talking is, what are all the standards by which scientists consider to be signs of intelligence and therefore signs (mathematical or otherwise) that we'd consider clues to other intelligent life forms. Wish we'd consider life on our own planet precious.
Great stuff!
Thanks, John!
Honestly, I wish we would get some kind of message just to prove that we aren't as big, bad, and smart as we think and also to shake a lot of things we disillusion ourselves with. Humanity needs to be humbled.
a very small and very unruly minority of insane wealth hoarders might need that, but most of us need to recognize our worth and step into our power.
Totally feel you there.
That's the feeling I get from Randall Carlson speaking about the Younger Dryas, which may have seen an impact cataclysm 12k years ago that took out unknown advanced cultures globally
I hate when people think like this.
Somehow I believe people would still be too stupid to understand
The Voyager has entered Interstellar Space, it took almost 46or47 years to do so, it is still transmitting signals but takes 22.5 hours to reach Earth. Excellent video, what a vast Universe we live in,and more!!!
Regarding Alcubierre's warpdrive, Dr. Harold White reduced it's (theoretical) requirements to 500kg of negative energy. Not massive anymore, supposedly.
just in time for BED
Cool video brother x
I just can't help myself... when you said "it isn't metalcore", I had to shout out "no, it's melodic death metal!"
Thank you for providing this outlet for both my scientific curiosity and my nerddom.
Dig all your vids but this one is particularly great
So much goes right over my head. I wish it was easier to keep all this science in mind for when I'm writing.
14:46 "Or there is simply nothing interesting enough in this star system to bother leaving a beacon". 😄 You haven't roasted humanity so hard since the "why aliens may not communicate with us" video. Great work, once again! Kalimera from Athens, Greece, currently under a cloudy weather which reminds me more of October than May, so much that I wait "Spooky October" videos.
ily john keep up the good work
Thank you John for updates on things like that crazy star? I really depend on you to talk about these things 😉
always a good day when Gordon Freeman uploads a video about possible aliens
i wonder if James Webb would be able to take a better look at confirm this for HD10165. Very interesting hypotheses..
Maybe, maybe not. JWST was designed more for infrared frequency work, so maybe spectral analysis isn't its best-suited task? But it could still do useful things, like look for exoplanets (and if they're present, scan them for "red edge" signatures of plant life and/or agriculture).
Oh, and if the star is that radioactive, then at least one exo-planet present might be ridiculously HOT and glowy with the heavy/fissile elements, maybe. :)
In the book "Saturn's Run" by Ctein and John Sandford there is an alien base in our solar system, it is a good book.
Thanks JMG, for another excellent, informative and very thought-provoking video. I must admit that I had not previously heard of Przybylski's Star, until I watched this video. Fascinating if those results were to be confirmed. Do you know if Przybylski's Star is one of JWST's candidate targets ? Many thanks again JM.
Such an odd star. Thanks for the video.
Holy shit this channel is awesome.
With your hypothesis regarding using probes to seed life on distant worlds, could it be hypothesized then that it's plausible that we're the result of just that? What if we're the bio/techno-signature?
Someone out there is saying "Look what we can do."
John always uploads at best times
In which we liiiivvveeeeee
You have a hypnotic voice
*Universal* Tier Video 🍿🍿😃
As you said in your introduction, JMG, space is indeed hostel.
And only a few minutes after the Big Bang, it was very young. It was a youth hostel.
Do you guys remember that episode of Star Trek: TNG where Troi was nearly driven insane trying to understand an aliens interpretation of hydrogen? And they were speaking to her in English too..
LOVED THE ARRAY OF CHEMISTRY -- TITLES !! FROM , U.K. (2023).
"There might not be anything interesting in this star system to leave a beacon" is the most humbling theories out there that’s probably more true then not 😂
Do you have a science fiction book regarding the uap phenomenon and a speculative opinion? If you do I’ll buy it right now. If you don’t write one
I always wondered which audio interface you are using with your SM7B.
Great sound John, great sound. Great content.
Believe it or not, it's not an SM7b. Here's the audio chain: AKG Perception 220 running to a DBX 286s to a Mackie 12 channel board interfacing to an iMac running Audacity. Occasionally I'll mix in a separate second mic, a Heil PR 40 boosted with a FET head into an ART tube MP vocal processor into a second DBX 286s then running into a second channel on the board. This adds a certain depth that fits some videos, especially spooky ones.
@@JohnMichaelGodier Thank you so much for that detailed info.
I'd also note that the AKG mic isn't often seen in voice work. I used a bunch of different mics over the years, and for whatever reason that model just reacted really well to my voice. It's not for everyone though.
@@JohnMichaelGodier Really great results. Sounds like a perfect match for you.
If stars could make elements like plutonium. Would that make the exotic matter needed for faster than light travel seem alot more realistic?
Problem with dropping markers/ships along a route is that space is expanding so no one point is ever in same place it was. 0.00000001deg alteration in position would make it a billion miles away from where you were supposed to be, and as space is not uniform on how it is expanding, then different parts move faster than others. Thus no stable points outside of gravity pools.
That robotic kitchen spacecraft is clearly not going to get a Michelin Star.
I've been thinking about all the missing stars. Instead of looking for evergy spikes I'm thinking it might be worth a think about the missing energy. Seems like we've just realized that there's stuff missing from what we saw in earlier observations and it's a question mark. I hear smart people say that there's missing mass, some call dark matter? Seems many theories but could that in itself be a signature? All the missing mass? could it be that someone is using a large portion of our universe? Changed it into something that is so interwoven as to help with our inability to fully grasp it?
John, sometimes a hamburger is just a hamburger.
Bit of a misspeak: Einsteinium's longest lived isotope has *half-life* of 472 days, not "lifetime". Still, without more being produced it'll decay away pretty rapidly, on historical rather than geologic timescales.
Yep. It really is that periodic element: it has no business being detectable in stars. Not without a magnetar (magnetic-type neutron star) or black hole flagrantly distorting how the star's fusion works.
Much love John 🥹❤️
Have a comment for the algorithm!
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John, would you be willing to discuss the fact article in _Analog_ about Oumuamua where they speculate that it may be an alien solar sail because no other explanation exists for its acceleration and course changes given that there's no visible out-gassing. _"When you rule out all the other options, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."_
If it was rotating, then a light sail would seem unlikely but who really knows...lots of disinfo out there.
I've never been this early to an upload. 🙊
Have they used web to look at gibilski star's spectrum
If memory were a standing wave wouldn't anesthesia cause complete memory loss?
Great thumbnail
You're doing Gods work my friend 😂
There was an episode of Enterprise about this, but that's the only fictional example that comes immediately to mind.
The burgeoning fields of nanotechnology, biotechnology, quantum technology, and quantum information processing are now strongly converging. The acronym BINS, for Bio-Info-Nano-Systems, has been coined to describe the synergetic interface of these several disciplines. The living cell is an information replicating and processing system that is replete with naturally-evolved nanomachines, which at some level require a quantum mechanical description. As quantum engineering and nanotechnology meet, increasing use will be made of biological structures, or hybrids of biological and fabricated systems, for producing novel devices for information storage and processing and other tasks. An understanding of these systems at a quantum mechanical level will be indispensable.
Why do I get the feeling that the only way we will ever travel to the stars is if someone else shows us how? Sadly, as of this time, we don't qualify for THAT INFORMATION.
the food station ? CHON , was it Pournelle?
Our instrumentation had a wild burp, or it could be a techno signature , even the most rarest of exotic objects mistaken for a star. There's no scramble to confirm the observation. When Cold Fusion was announced, the scientific world couldn't move fast enough to repeat the process, confirming that it had just been a false positive.
JMG! 👽
I have a suspicion that the intense difficulty, isolation, and self-sufficiency of interstellar travel means that over enough time, as its requirements drive more and more adaptation, efficiency, reliability, and ease in the "star traveller" niche, it will evolve any practitioner into naturally spaceborne ageless post-biological life, freely voyaging and basking however they please with no need for or interest in settling down on anything as fluidically dense and sluggishly gravitating as a planet. This is a possible explanation for the Great Silence that I've been thinking about the last few years-We're not picking up signals from scanning individual star systems because that's not where they spend most of their time. They're exactly the kind of person we might happen to catch in the act of starlifting, though...
Bro, we've found the Volatile Motes
Hey John, have you ever watched The Orville?
The Orville is todays Star Trek TOS!
I have indeed, I like it.
As another famous author wrote: "I mean you might think it's a long way around the corner to the chemists but that's peanuts compared to space."
This channel is one of the few things that really keep me addicted to TH-cam...
Which other platforms do you post videos on? May I suggest Odysee?
No other platforms other than apple and Spotify as a podcast. Alternative video platforms, at least so far, tend to get taken over by politics people so if you post videos on them, you automatically own someone else's politics just for being there. Doesn't matter what those politics are, left, right, center, even if you're apolitical you still get the stigma of the overall bent. The platforms can't stop it, it just goes one way or the other unless they pull a TH-cam and start favoring content through unholy algorithms to steer the whole thing away from hyperpoliticization.
TH-cam's not perfect, not by a long shot, but you still don't automatically own someone else's political viewpoints here. Odysee is still too new as to what will happen, but they need a dramatic redesign of their home page because it just looks like some generic porn site with the black background. If they can keep the politics people off it, they'll be alright, but by doing that they become TH-cam. It's a no win for them.
@@JohnMichaelGodier Yep, you're making good points there. Odysee has all those flaws and more.
I'll definitely keep TH-cam on the side to still enjoy your content and that of many others. It indeed feels like TH-cam is too mainstream to fail or divert from.
If at any point you do take an additional platform I'm sure it'll be a lot better than what I suggested. Competition for TH-cam might be good for the market.
Oh I'd love for TH-cam to have some competition. We just haven't yet seen the right competition for the task. Even a big platform like TikTok doesn't cut it, because someone like me can't say anything meaningful in less than a minute making the educational potential limited. And, it has to be said, a big problem for alternative video platforms is that Google owns TH-cam, thus TH-cam is always going to get the search engine attention. Thus it can be hard for people to discover those platforms, even if the content is good.
What if a human space traveler encountered one of these 3d printer vending machines and it used icons as a way to control it? You'd look at al the icons and most of them would be so mysterious and indecipherable because they are icons for the various types of lifeforms the vending machine aliens have encountered. Except there IS one button with a somewhat familiar looking icon. So the human pushes the button. By touching the button the machine takes a DNA sample and knows what kind of basic food item to create. The human is happy yet creeped out. All those other icons mean there are at least that many weird alien lifeforms out there. And the icon that a human sort of recognizes? Where did they find that lifeform? How many of that type are there in the universe? All the space traveler can do is ponder these questions as they stand there eating their snack.
Just imagine all of the new and unique alien foods we could discover.... and I'd bet they all taste like chicken.... 🐔
Well, if we push the "Feed Me!" button more than once--so we can get a sample of our own, and we aren't punished for it--we could probably infer some things about the human-like species just based on the size and nature of the snack. Half a ton of edible fruit packaged for our easy use says one thing. A slab of mystery meat prepared in a space-ready _sous vide_ pouch meant specifically for direct space cooking might say another.
A space-fit box of Domino's Pizza out in the void might suggest something too weird for words. =))
the green head at 3:05 looked like it alternates between regular and baby
Perhaps traveling to and experiencing mentioned places can be achieved right here at home. We can only study the inferior to us, if we can ascend ourselves as humans we achieve a higher level of understanding. Maybe we would recognize how counterproductive and self serving we are and then finally accomplish things beyond our dreams
Oh, that could be awkward. A 3D molecular printer capable of making copies of people, lifeforms, machines, anything, including itself. You'd want to be very careful which buttons you push!
An artificial star? That would be awesome. I mean its theoretically possible right?
What kind of toppings on a hamburger would a neuralinked cow recommend?
Again with the Alien search. It's honestly just like me looking for my soulmate 🤣
Ai, even though I kinda feel like it’ll end up being used for the wrong purpose. And if it actually does become sentient, then good luck to humanity..
It also could be used to help us further our technological advancements. if its trained on all of our different sciences, maybe it’ll eventually make breakthroughs for us. So much potential with AI, a gift and a curse.
"if" 😂😂😂 you obviously haven't thought this through
It's like saying "if" we evolve ... Evolution is unstoppable, even if it's not humanity , nature makes it happen - crunch the numbers