Man, SRAM figured out a way to put a 10 on an HG body and Shimano made us get a completely new free hub. SRAM feels like it’s eating Shimano’s lunch today. This coming from a former long time Shimano guy.
I also think that the crank arms look very similar to those of gx, here the weight would really interest me, because the chainrings are easily swapable
So SRAM figures out a way to mount a 10T cassette to Shimano's HG body while Shimano could not..... sure seems like Shimano is asleep at the wheel, but hopefully they have finally fixed their Wondering Bite Point™ technology on their next series of brakes and are celebrating their triumph.
SRAM is just enjoying the benefit of their strike of genius which was UDH. I’m convinced the key to this is having the cassette further out by 2.5mm which allows for the 10T to kind of float on top of the freehub. But you can only do that if the derailleur hanger is out of the way which…T-Type doesn’t need or use. Rest is marketing…😎
@@ThunderStruckMTBI wouldn't call UDH a teojan horse. It's still a really good thing to have one open standard for derailleur hangers instead of hundreds of different ones. SRAM probably realized that they could do something like T-type, if the hangers changed. So to me, this seems like a long term plan initiated by the engineers. For a long time, this was low cost to SRAM (they get to sell all the derailleur hangers now) with benefits for everyone.
Doesnt matter if shimano had release that because the cassette need to be out by 2.5mm and to have space for that you need to use a t-type system. They already done that with the microspline cassettes the 10t is floating outside the freehub. Sram was very clever to use HG but they have enough space with the t-type. You cant use the cassete other way.
Looks like good news for Ebikes since the new cog design for 9-12 are replaceable. (For myself, cogs 10-11 have been the first to wear down from the high torque of the motor and if I only have to replace those cogs versus the whole cassette I rather just replace the smaller cogs). Thanks for the informative video! 😎
@@LoveMTB probably a good idea. I thought I missed out on something when I saw this video pop up. I just clicked the order button on an Advent X drivetrain after much debate.
The only part that is interesting to me about the t type is the 8 bolt cranks interface but apart from that it's all too proprietary. I will stack up on sram eagle components when they start liquidating everything 😂
U can exchange single gears on the Shimano cassettes too. Even on the road ones… idk about the HG hub compatibility. It’s not a after market Produkt so u can’t buy one and upgrade ur old bike. micro spline and the boost standart are on the market for years so no idea why u need to serve an old standard for maybe a few people.
It’s obvious that SRAM’s all in on UDH and T-Type. I could see cable actuated drivetrain offerings from them go away completely in 5 years. I also thing the lower-mid level bike offerings to be equipped with S Series T Type stuff.
This is way beyond CUES, in price and technology. CUES is still on cable pull, heck Di2 is still on physical wire...i wonder how much is the groupset, which i am sure eventually will be available as a stand-alone.
@@LoveMTB No doubt, CUES is fine, but it is still using cable pull, while this new T type S1000 SX is now on Bluetooth. I, too still running on shimano XT, SLX, and deore. However, comparing the price and technology of this T type S1000 SX with CUES, it seems a bit like apples and oranges.
@@jacklo325 yes and no if the purpose is to provide a long lasting drivetrain for eBikes they both provide the same. One multiple times more expensive than the other
It’s interesting what they ended up doing with the gravel group. (Speed oriented shifting, higher cog count, less “shifting under load” focus). I bet they’ll push MTB to 13s soon enough here. I just wonder if there’s any backwards compatibility with the existing transmission system. (I’m looking at you, derailuer!). I wonder if these wireless systems are hard-geared for specific movements or if we can just switch to 13s in software. I hope there’s some sort of upgrade path as opposed to having to upgrade every component *again*. I’m not even sure 13s is the move for durability on the MTB either, though my existing GX transmission cassette is barely wearing at all over thousands of miles. Very impressive! The only other thing that urks me lately are the SRAM wireless blips. Non-replaceable battery at 100$.
I doubt they make that 13s push, current gear ratio and gaps aren't a big issue at the low speed of 95% of mtb riding (when pedaling). The 13s XPLR shifts aren't as crispy as the 12s axs stuff, and as seen with campy ekar, it seems we've finally reached the point of the indexing being too finicky when it comes to 13s. Of course we said that about 11s and 12s and we know how that went, so I may eat my hat 5 years down the line.
They have to play the game fair this not being sold separately is a massive blow to anyone wanting to upgrade to wireless that doesn't have will to pay out so much! I actually just bought the previous GX axs upgrade set as was a reasonable price now new at £430 i think thats about my limit to whare i feel just OK about the purchase I'll do the same next year with the T Type when that drops massively!
10:00 interesting, I've heard complaints about the Transmission shifting slower than AXS. Even saw a video comparing it, but this seems to be quite quick,
The only reason I'm looking at this option is that my current gx 10-52 cassette is worn-out. I'm currently running the new wireless eds ox derailleur and shifter upgrade kit so i thought try the new t type chain and cassette with it. I know sram say you can't mix and match but you can in alot of cases. Such as when they went to the 52 cassette and said you had to use the new lunar derailleur which was exactly the same as the old one except for the colour
If the cassette has the same dimensions and fits the standard xd driver it should work my bike doesn't use the udh so my wheel top derailleur just fits the standard derailleur hanger. So are saying that the t type cassette will only fit a bike that has the udh interface? I guess what I'm trying to say as long as the t type cassette can physically fit on the bike and the axle fits ect I should be able to bolt on even the old axis derailleur to a non udh derailleur hanger. I have a Marin alpine trail e2 which will take any driver body and all you have to do is tune gears accordingly . This is what I'm trying to figure out. I can't use the new t type derailleur because my bike isn't made for it but if cassette can fit with no issues it should work with different derailleur. That's all I'm trying figure out
I'd love to setup a UDH gravel bike with budget Transmission setup. GX - Apex seemed like great start but I have no complaints going with NX either since I am not a big weight weenie when it comes to drivetrain. Hoping T-Type NX might be coming too?
@LoveMTB I wonder what's going to happen when the casette eventually wears out or if you need to buy a new derailleur or derailleur parts. Then, the only option is to buy the more expensive gx transmission derailleur and possibly the cassette. You will need to change the freehub body then as well. Hopefully, Sram does decide to sell it soon
Cheers I wonder if the cable version will be 1:1 pull ratio? It would be mad if I could still use my twist shifters with the T type cable pull derailleur, steel cassette, and steel front chainring on my ebikes. Though I would still probably give it a miss unless the cable derailleur was of at least XO quality. Anything under that in my experience has not been fun
I will research myself, but just asking since you are knowledgeable. I have a TR Repeater (V1, no UDH) NX. I have not pulled apart, but assume I have an HG hub, and again no UDH. Would this fit if it becomes available as aftermarket/upgrade possible?
Hi there I watch all your videos I'm wondering if you tried running the t type chain and cassette with a standard gx cable derailleur or even the first gx axis as I have the wheel top derailleur and shifter but I need to replace my gx cassette so I'm wondering if you think it would work? Cheers
@LoveMTB gee I would of thought as long as I used t type chain with the t type cassette it should work. The t type cassette still fits the xd driver and I know some people are using shimano front chain ring. So you don't think the type chain would go around the jockey wheels on the first gx axis derailleur. I currently run on one of my bikes sram gx 10-52 cassette with xx1 chain but with shimano xt derailleur and shifter and it works beautifully and you can do it the other way round. Just thought keeping the chain and cassette paired it should work cheers Grant
@@grantchandler8294 Well if we're talking about mixed drivetrains look back a few years, I've run all the combinations that worked and made sense. This, what you're suggesting, doesn't make a lot of sense to me so that's why I did not try/ run. But feel free to let us know if you go ahead with it! Chain won't be the biggest problem...
Sir.. ❤please reply🙏🏻 I am from India and have been watching your videos for a long time. I really enjoy and appreciate the valuable knowledge you share. I have a few questions I would like to ask. I own a Giant Rincon-1 with 29” tires.. Shimano Altus RD-M310 rear derailleur. I’m considering upgrading to a Shimano Deore M5100. My question is: do I need to change my rear hub for this upgrade, and if so, what hub would you recommend? I would appreciate your advice, sir.
@@LoveMTB I know, but still am curious. I got Garbaruk 11-50T which works perfectly. But if my second Gen 1 Archer D1Xtrail dies I just put on few days ago. Then I need something. No way to turn off this cassette timing thing to make it possible? I'm conflicted, all of the compatibility issues makes me not want to buy it, need new drop out for my bike to mount one, need their cassette, cassette, new freehub, unless I go with this one which isn't sold yet, also by going for this cassette I would be downgrading the cassette, as this one is heavier, the Garbartuk is ca 300g. So I want to keep the low weight.
Not really. Shimano stuff is far more reliable than SRAM could ever hope to be. SRAM is still catching up to the industry standard, which has been Shimano for decades. In fact, Shimano don't even need to innovate because their stuff is rock solid. Why change something that just works? The SRAM stuff works fine when it's brand new and in the dry, but craps out on you when the going gets tough and the conditions worsen, whereas Shimano stuff is built like a tank and can take a beating. Not to mention requiring less maintenance, less fiddling, just install it and forget about it. And in a contest between Japanese engineering vs German engineering, we already know who'd win from the automotive industry and it's not even close. German cars are some of the most unreliable cars on the planet, while Japanese brands dominate reliability charts each year. Anyone who says SRAM stuff is better is living in fantasy land. In real reality, any decent bike mechanic's broken parts bin is full of SRAM stuff.
Dude you are comparing two different field, one is mechanical while other is communication whic is elevctronic and software based. You literraly able to use 8 speed shimano from decades ago w/o any issue but you cant use old gsm phone. Hope you get it
Curious if you tried the Transmission and if you actually feel that delay that we're talking about. BTW CUES from shimano also has that "delay" for the same reasons.
@@LoveMTB I was not aware of the shifting delay when buying my new bike and yes, on a hilly parcours you definately feel the delay. Must say, shifting under pressure works very good with no rattling noise, but if you have to shift 4 or 5 cogs in an instant you are in trouble I can tell you... This delay is not there on any Shimano DI2 transmission, not on road or on mtb... Also Sram red does not have this (I've had them all)... I really don't understand why everybody just keeps talking over this delay as if it's the most normal thing on a cross country race bike... it's not... and don't come here telling that Nino Shurter wins races on it... because your average joe mtb rider is not Nino Shurter ;-)
@@LoveMTB hmm in that case you are absolutely right, but somehow I have a feeling that you won't be able to find those 5 small congs anywhere in stock😂
@@puntoycoma47 you’d be surprised how many regular ppl I saw @Lake Placid riding bikes with all bells and whistles in hiding the SRAM Flight Attendant so MORE batteries
That cassette is $215. SLX is available for $55. HG compatibility is nice, but this definitely isn't a budget group.
@@alexdi1367 budget transmission that is…
Heck a whole 11 speed cues groupset with a crank is $165 on aliexpress.
@@comtruise9779 yup and it works great 👍
Yeah, hence the reason I stick with Shimano
@@LoveMTBsx quality for the price of xo1 and xtr price range for the derailleur
Interesant.
Man, SRAM figured out a way to put a 10 on an HG body and Shimano made us get a completely new free hub. SRAM feels like it’s eating Shimano’s lunch today. This coming from a former long time Shimano guy.
@@RichardWagenknecht yes and no, SRAM needs a new bike for this not just a new freehub…. I agree with you in the innovation front though
I also think that the crank arms look very similar to those of gx, here the weight would really interest me, because the chainrings are easily swapable
quite progressive to finally see mainstream 155/160mm cranks
True
So SRAM figures out a way to mount a 10T cassette to Shimano's HG body while Shimano could not..... sure seems like Shimano is asleep at the wheel, but hopefully they have finally fixed their Wondering Bite Point™ technology on their next series of brakes and are celebrating their triumph.
SRAM is just enjoying the benefit of their strike of genius which was UDH. I’m convinced the key to this is having the cassette further out by 2.5mm which allows for the 10T to kind of float on top of the freehub. But you can only do that if the derailleur hanger is out of the way which…T-Type doesn’t need or use. Rest is marketing…😎
@@LoveMTB You sound like an engineer!🙂 Makes perfect sense to me and their UDH was one hell of a trojan horse.
@@ThunderStruckMTBI wouldn't call UDH a teojan horse. It's still a really good thing to have one open standard for derailleur hangers instead of hundreds of different ones.
SRAM probably realized that they could do something like T-type, if the hangers changed. So to me, this seems like a long term plan initiated by the engineers.
For a long time, this was low cost to SRAM (they get to sell all the derailleur hangers now) with benefits for everyone.
This is $200 while its shimano counterpart deore m6100 is $60
All for what? One tooth less?
Doesnt matter if shimano had release that because the cassette need to be out by 2.5mm and to have space for that you need to use a t-type system. They already done that with the microspline cassettes the 10t is floating outside the freehub. Sram was very clever to use HG but they have enough space with the t-type. You cant use the cassete other way.
Looks like good news for Ebikes since the new cog design for 9-12 are replaceable. (For myself, cogs 10-11 have been the first to wear down from the high torque of the motor and if I only have to replace those cogs versus the whole cassette I rather just replace the smaller cogs). Thanks for the informative video! 😎
You're welcome. And yeah I believe they designed this with e-bikes in mind
I've never really thought about that. I guess you guys don't really use granny gear very often eh?
I dont think I will ever be switching my cables out for batteries… maybe thats just me. I have enough stuff to keep charged.
@@SofiaisSunshine I’ll always have a few cable actuated bikes…
@@LoveMTB probably a good idea.
I thought I missed out on something when I saw this video pop up. I just clicked the order button on an Advent X drivetrain after much debate.
hopefully this will available for low cost budget planning to experience transmission setup.
Probably not but what do I know?🙃
I would to know if my focus sam2 2021 year is UDH
Can you mix it for a mullet Setups for a gravel bike
SRAM works yes. But where are you going to get it from? OEM only
Thanks man for the info
You bet 👍
The only part that is interesting to me about the t type is the 8 bolt cranks interface but apart from that it's all too proprietary. I will stack up on sram eagle components when they start liquidating everything 😂
You and me both 😎
U can exchange single gears on the Shimano cassettes too. Even on the road ones… idk about the HG hub compatibility. It’s not a after market Produkt so u can’t buy one and upgrade ur old bike. micro spline and the boost standart are on the market for years so no idea why u need to serve an old standard for maybe a few people.
I'm convinced SRAM knows more about this than we do...😊
Great videos
It’s obvious that SRAM’s all in on UDH and T-Type. I could see cable actuated drivetrain offerings from them go away completely in 5 years. I also thing the lower-mid level bike offerings to be equipped with S Series T Type stuff.
I think you’re right
This is way beyond CUES, in price and technology. CUES is still on cable pull, heck Di2 is still on physical wire...i wonder how much is the groupset, which i am sure eventually will be available as a stand-alone.
Why would you say way beyond? CUES works great and it’s dirt cheap, cable? Still using them not giving me problems
@@LoveMTB No doubt, CUES is fine, but it is still using cable pull, while this new T type S1000 SX is now on Bluetooth. I, too still running on shimano XT, SLX, and deore. However, comparing the price and technology of this T type S1000 SX with CUES, it seems a bit like apples and oranges.
@@jacklo325 yes and no if the purpose is to provide a long lasting drivetrain for eBikes they both provide the same. One multiple times more expensive than the other
is the derailleur able to correct itself, when for excample smashed against a rock or smth, like the gx version?
It's the same derailleur...😉
It’s interesting what they ended up doing with the gravel group. (Speed oriented shifting, higher cog count, less “shifting under load” focus). I bet they’ll push MTB to 13s soon enough here. I just wonder if there’s any backwards compatibility with the existing transmission system. (I’m looking at you, derailuer!). I wonder if these wireless systems are hard-geared for specific movements or if we can just switch to 13s in software. I hope there’s some sort of upgrade path as opposed to having to upgrade every component *again*. I’m not even sure 13s is the move for durability on the MTB either, though my existing GX transmission cassette is barely wearing at all over thousands of miles. Very impressive! The only other thing that urks me lately are the SRAM wireless blips. Non-replaceable battery at 100$.
I doubt they make that 13s push, current gear ratio and gaps aren't a big issue at the low speed of 95% of mtb riding (when pedaling). The 13s XPLR shifts aren't as crispy as the 12s axs stuff, and as seen with campy ekar, it seems we've finally reached the point of the indexing being too finicky when it comes to 13s. Of course we said that about 11s and 12s and we know how that went, so I may eat my hat 5 years down the line.
They have to play the game fair this not being sold separately is a massive blow to anyone wanting to upgrade to wireless that doesn't have will to pay out so much! I actually just bought the previous GX axs upgrade set as was a reasonable price now new at £430 i think thats about my limit to whare i feel just OK about the purchase I'll do the same next year with the T Type when that drops massively!
10:00 interesting, I've heard complaints about the Transmission shifting slower than AXS. Even saw a video comparing it, but this seems to be quite quick,
Don’t have to believe all that people say 😊
The only reason I'm looking at this option is that my current gx 10-52 cassette is worn-out. I'm currently running the new wireless eds ox derailleur and shifter upgrade kit so i thought try the new t type chain and cassette with it. I know sram say you can't mix and match but you can in alot of cases. Such as when they went to the 52 cassette and said you had to use the new lunar derailleur which was exactly the same as the old one except for the colour
@@grantchandler8294 how’s that cassette going to work with the derailleur hanger needed for the Wheeltop???
If the cassette has the same dimensions and fits the standard xd driver it should work my bike doesn't use the udh so my wheel top derailleur just fits the standard derailleur hanger. So are saying that the t type cassette will only fit a bike that has the udh interface?
I guess what I'm trying to say as long as the t type cassette can physically fit on the bike and the axle fits ect I should be able to bolt on even the old axis derailleur to a non udh derailleur hanger.
I have a Marin alpine trail e2 which will take any driver body and all you have to do is tune gears accordingly . This is what I'm trying to figure out. I can't use the new t type derailleur because my bike isn't made for it but if cassette can fit with no issues it should work with different derailleur. That's all I'm trying figure out
I'd love to setup a UDH gravel bike with budget Transmission setup. GX - Apex seemed like great start but I have no complaints going with NX either since I am not a big weight weenie when it comes to drivetrain. Hoping T-Type NX might be coming too?
@@drill_fiend1097 who knows…
Can you buy the parts individually from Sram? Like the cassette and derailleur, even though it is OEM specific?
Not now maybe one day?
@LoveMTB I wonder what's going to happen when the casette eventually wears out or if you need to buy a new derailleur or derailleur parts.
Then, the only option is to buy the more expensive gx transmission derailleur and possibly the cassette. You will need to change the freehub body then as well.
Hopefully, Sram does decide to sell it soon
@@Ruben-vn2ix they might not…
Wasn't the main reason behind MicroSpline that the 10T couldn't be put on the old HG-hub? 🧐
@@Csapi007 true at the time but more inventions/ patents made that possible today
Imagine if sram figures out on how to make a direct mount mechanical groupset.
Mechanical t type *
@@Paulklampeeps As you see in the video they already did 😉
@@LoveMTB yeahh, I should have watched the whole video first 🤣
@@Paulklampeeps all good👍
Cheers
I wonder if the cable version will be 1:1 pull ratio?
It would be mad if I could still use my twist shifters with the T type cable pull derailleur, steel cassette, and steel front chainring on my ebikes.
Though I would still probably give it a miss unless the cable derailleur was of at least XO quality.
Anything under that in my experience has not been fun
Nobody knows what it is but we’ll find out eventually
I would like to test just the shifter and rear derailleur, with the Shimano XT cassette, chain and crankset to see if it works.
I have a multitude of videos on the T-Type Transmission components check them out!
I will research myself, but just asking since you are knowledgeable.
I have a TR Repeater (V1, no UDH) NX.
I have not pulled apart, but assume I have an HG hub, and again no UDH.
Would this fit if it becomes available as aftermarket/upgrade possible?
No UDH no go… won’t fit next to your derailleur hanger
Hi there I watch all your videos I'm wondering if you tried running the t type chain and cassette with a standard gx cable derailleur or even the first gx axis as I have the wheel top derailleur and shifter but I need to replace my gx cassette so I'm wondering if you think it would work? Cheers
I have all those details in the vids, won’t work. Old cassette runs on the new direct mount
@LoveMTB gee I would of thought as long as I used t type chain with the t type cassette it should work. The t type cassette still fits the xd driver and I know some people are using shimano front chain ring. So you don't think the type chain would go around the jockey wheels on the first gx axis derailleur. I currently run on one of my bikes sram gx 10-52 cassette with xx1 chain but with shimano xt derailleur and shifter and it works beautifully and you can do it the other way round. Just thought keeping the chain and cassette paired it should work cheers Grant
@@grantchandler8294 Well if we're talking about mixed drivetrains look back a few years, I've run all the combinations that worked and made sense. This, what you're suggesting, doesn't make a lot of sense to me so that's why I did not try/ run. But feel free to let us know if you go ahead with it! Chain won't be the biggest problem...
Congratulations for amazing vídeo!
Can I use this new cassete with old Sram GX groupset?
@@celsoedirdesouza8195 unfortunately no
This one is the best cassette.
That only works with their stuff…🤨
@@LoveMTBand is OEM only
@@LoveMTB true
Sir.. ❤please reply🙏🏻
I am from India and have been watching your videos for a long time. I really enjoy and appreciate the valuable knowledge you share. I have a few questions I would like to ask.
I own a Giant Rincon-1 with 29” tires.. Shimano Altus RD-M310 rear derailleur. I’m considering upgrading to a Shimano Deore M5100. My question is: do I need to change my rear hub for this upgrade, and if so, what hub would you recommend? I would appreciate your advice, sir.
Im Still very interested in the new TRP A12 EASI again depending on price! If it's up there with T Type forget it
I’ll see if I can get my hands on TRP
question, a Scott Spark 2017 is compatible with T-Type??
I would say I’m 99.999999% sure the answer is no😎
@@botzilla73 No. The UDH came put a few years after 2017 so your frame would not be compatible to install a T-Type rear derailleur.
I want to see a cable version
Apparently on its way
Why didn't you weigh the derailleur?
@@hein_mcleod too complicated and only had the bike for a little bit. Everything came from a new bike as you see in the video
@@LoveMTB but you took the crank out, that's why more effort than the derailleur or am I missing something?
It's way too heavy to remove it safely
@@puntoycoma47 😊
@@hein_mcleod anyone know what the weight is on the RD? Same as GX?
Is the cassette compatible with a normal derrailauer hanger?
Nope it’s T-Type Transmission compatible
@@LoveMTB i knew it. I just wanted confirmation. even it's a good way, this Sram cassettes and t-type derrailauers feels more like apple products.
👌
I'm curious if it will shift on Garbaruk cassettes. And can you s set it up for 11 speed?
How?😎 this is T-Type only
@@LoveMTB I know, but still am curious. I got Garbaruk 11-50T which works perfectly. But if my second Gen 1 Archer D1Xtrail dies I just put on few days ago.
Then I need something. No way to turn off this cassette timing thing to make it possible?
I'm conflicted, all of the compatibility issues makes me not want to buy it, need new drop out for my bike to mount one, need their cassette, cassette, new freehub, unless I go with this one which isn't sold yet, also by going for this cassette I would be downgrading the cassette, as this one is heavier, the Garbartuk is ca 300g. So I want to keep the low weight.
@@LoveMTB The AXS is easier for me to switch to as it doesn't require more work. but no replacement parts.
@@LoveMTB Can you at least adjust each gear?
@@mtbboy1993 Nope that's Wheeltop!
Thanks, sorry for My poor knowledge
No worries
I don’t care about electronic shifting.
My cable never goes flat.
Either way you push a button to change gear.
Why pay more for inconvenience?
Some people need that easy actuation but they are definitely in minority
So XD Driver was unecessary? :D
Not quite, we need the direct mount derailleur for this to be possible
Amazing. Shimano is so behind.
Outplayed in a few maybe important innovations and patents?
Not really. Shimano stuff is far more reliable than SRAM could ever hope to be. SRAM is still catching up to the industry standard, which has been Shimano for decades. In fact, Shimano don't even need to innovate because their stuff is rock solid. Why change something that just works? The SRAM stuff works fine when it's brand new and in the dry, but craps out on you when the going gets tough and the conditions worsen, whereas Shimano stuff is built like a tank and can take a beating. Not to mention requiring less maintenance, less fiddling, just install it and forget about it.
And in a contest between Japanese engineering vs German engineering, we already know who'd win from the automotive industry and it's not even close. German cars are some of the most unreliable cars on the planet, while Japanese brands dominate reliability charts each year. Anyone who says SRAM stuff is better is living in fantasy land. In real reality, any decent bike mechanic's broken parts bin is full of SRAM stuff.
Pff ...
@@BigBoy-ql5rn Nokia was an industry standard once, then along came Apple with a ton of innovation. Just sayin’
Dude you are comparing two different field, one is mechanical while other is communication whic is elevctronic and software based. You literraly able to use 8 speed shimano from decades ago w/o any issue but you cant use old gsm phone. Hope you get it
I guess even the cheam version of this shifting has the delay in shifting.... what a waste..
Curious if you tried the Transmission and if you actually feel that delay that we're talking about. BTW CUES from shimano also has that "delay" for the same reasons.
@@LoveMTB I was not aware of the shifting delay when buying my new bike and yes, on a hilly parcours you definately feel the delay. Must say, shifting under pressure works very good with no rattling noise, but if you have to shift 4 or 5 cogs in an instant you are in trouble I can tell you... This delay is not there on any Shimano DI2 transmission, not on road or on mtb... Also Sram red does not have this (I've had them all)... I really don't understand why everybody just keeps talking over this delay as if it's the most normal thing on a cross country race bike... it's not... and don't come here telling that Nino Shurter wins races on it... because your average joe mtb rider is not Nino Shurter ;-)
Axs should’ve never been built below xo1.
I agree with you but then none of us know what the bright minds and $$$ people at SRAM think or see in their stats.
One way to test if it's a blacked out GX see if it's compatible with the older GX stuff and shimano cassette
That would not work guaranteed
How long until this group set is standard on £10k bikes...😂
Getting there 😂
That bike is 6800 right now
90 percent of riders are still on mechanical set ups
I would say more than that more like 95?
That cassette makes 0 sense to me, imagine how my money was spent to develop sx level cassette interface lool
@@aleksarajkovic3471 makes a lot of sense if you think about e-bikes and ability to replace the 5 smallest cogs that they wear out all the time
@@LoveMTB hmm in that case you are absolutely right, but somehow I have a feeling that you won't be able to find those 5 small congs anywhere in stock😂
@@aleksarajkovic3471 you won’t find the SX period at least for now. OEM only
1st!
👏
CHEAP !! Having a laugh ain't ya !!! I'll stick with ''much cheaper'' XT thanks...Ha !
@@fudganuld unless you want batteries 😌
@@LoveMTB No sane person wants batteries
@@puntoycoma47 you’d be surprised how many regular ppl I saw @Lake Placid riding bikes with all bells and whistles in hiding the SRAM Flight Attendant so MORE batteries
8:10 - this is next to black magic! Is the freewheel of the HG spline L (12/11) or the HG spline M (11/10/9/8) type?
It is the good old HG freehub from 8s onwards
@@LoveMTB Couldn't be happier! All my wheels are "new" again!
@@PrzemyslawSliwinski exactly! BUT can’t use with a derailleur hanger so you’ll need new frames now 😎