Pretty sure Doug said to call around half of your aces, or call your AK and fold your AA if Scott doesn't play AA this way so AK might be better call blocking KK. Seiver strong player so definitely has bluffs so you can't fold everything. He could have A5s, AQs. He's mainly repping KK that's only 3 combos and some 99 and AA which I estimate has around 3 combos. So he needs to bluff 2.5ish combos of bluff for the bet size.
@@danielfcastro Maybe, but 6-betting is pretty hard to balance, at that point he basically would only have KK or AA. Is he ever 6-bet bluffing with something like A5s? Hard to imagine. I think most players would simply not have any 6-bets and just keep an uncapped range on a call.
I’m leaning towards calling, although raising or folding is perfectly fine. He elects to raise. I’m okay with that, although I am also okay with calling or folding.
Were you guys able to see Scott Seiver's live tell? Scott purposely tried to give Coleman a tell by appearing like he was nervous at 4:52 and 5:00 by twitching his head, taking a big gulp, and moving his hands (these are referred to as "reverse tells") but Dan was able to read this at 5:02 you can see Dan raise his eyebrows when Scott moves his hand. Dan knows Scott is a high stakes veteran and would never actually get nervous like he's acting in a situation like this. Essentially Scotts attempt at a reverse tell ended up becoming a legitimate tell for Dan to read. Also, even without Scott doing all that Dan was going to fold anyways lol which Scott likely sensed and spurred him to try the reverse tells as a last ditch effort to bait a call.
@@lucasyt306 If he folds aces on the turn there, he is paying super nitty and exploitive, and is basically only wanting to set mine or play ace suited hands for flushes...
@@michaelangst6078 I dont think it's super nitty to fold aces there , reason being so much money went in pre flop that it would be easy to put siever on kings in fact I would have convinced myself that was his hand , so not nitty at all
The breathing and the chip flop chip glance on the flop and the chip stare after the Turn from Scott Seiver were obvious tells. Also his body posture went from slightly leaning back before the flop to sitting straight almost on the poker table after te flop and the turn. Nice lay down! AA: Win a small pot, loose a big one. Colman smelt it. Poker is not about winning or loosing. Poker is about making the right decision.
Yes and also to potentially get value from worse holding. If Scott bets the turn with AK, Queens jacks tens etc are gonna fold. If u get called, you’re mostly up against aces so check back is mostly to keep worse hands in and keep pot smaller against better hands
@timtrfny timtrfny depends how your bankroll management is I guess. But I think if min-cash money means so little you’re probably playing too cheap tournaments. If I have 3BB on the BTN on the bubble for a $100 min-cash, and a few people go all in before me, I’m folding AA and at least cashing the $100.
Well, not as hard of a fold if you think about it. What is Colman’s range when he 5bet? What is Seiver’s range when he calls a 5bet? It’s not like Doug and Phil in which Phil had a wide range and then polarized it with an all-in on the flop, both Colman’s and Seiver’s range have gotten quite narrow by their preflop battle. The best case scenario for Colman was Seiver having AKs, but given Colman had 2 of the 4 aces on the deck, Seiver’s range got even tighter. Seiver’s on that 5bet was pretty much AA, AKs, KK, QQ, JJ, TT and 99, but given you block so many of the aces, it’s hard to put him on either AA or AK (and with AA he would probably have 6bet). Your range is also super tight when you 5bet preflop, flop comes 9-K-2 rainbow, you bet small, he calls you, turn comes 3h, but the Kh is on the board, there is literally no way hero or villain has a flush draw given AKs is the only suited hand they have on their 5bet range. You check, he bets small, you call. What is the villains range when he value bets the turn? If he needed protection or wanted to take you off the hand he would need to bet much bigger. Their already small range got even smaller, you can take off the QQ, JJ and TT. They now have either AA, AKs (both of which you block and with AK he should not be betting small, he should be either checking or raising bigger), KK, 99. River comes 8d, changes nothing. He value bets you again. Villain is either bluffing in a spot he should not be bluffing or he has you beat, Seiver is a good player, he knows better than to bluff with small bets on the turn and the river after a flop that hit your opponents range. Not saying I’m a good player, I could not have folded the hand that Doug folded against Phil, but this one is a much easier fold.
By the way, I would never have put Seiver on 99, I would have put him on KK, and I’m quite sure both players would have played this differently if it weren’t for that King on the flop. If instead of a King, you had any card smaller than a Ten, this hand would have been quite different and I’m sure Colman’s would have gone broke.
I agree with everything you said. I also find it weird that Coleman would bet on Turn knowing that if he cared an all in he wouldn't be able to call. Maybe the TV makes it harder to fold aces
You are given the best first hand possible. Folding is lit an option. Nobody has a better hand that you for the moment. Even if they connect a pair are behind you...
If Seiver mouthed the same spiel that he did against Reinkemeier there's a chance that Colman calls ...I think Colman was thinking on that very hand when he told Seiver he had AAs
Always tough to let go of Aces but if you don't get married to them you can save yourself a lot of money. Scott never acted scared that Coleman might have AA and guessing that's why Coleman could find a fold in that situation. That's some good discipline by Coleman
Maybe I just see the cards and am biased but if someone is raising and calling raises like that preflop I gotta put them on a high pocket pair. That King on the board is the key for me. Someone with a lower pocket pair than a king is not going to be going all in on the river unless they hit a set. Good fold but I'm gonna be that guy that says it's not a "OMFG what a fold" hand.
Lmao !!! Scott over acting scared lmao !! Hahahahahahaha dude looks up adjusts him self and brings a tear to his eyes lmao !!!! These dudes lmao they kill me.
Well the GTO play is to 4 bet pre flop. Look for the exploitative theory with the other players in.. looks like both players are 400 BB effective. The plus EV move would to be fold because I have no idea what I'm talking about.. I can barely afford a Uber ride home after playing 1-2 at my local casino.
I think you cant fold river without beeing exploitable at this spot, i think the only combo you should be worried is KK, 99 is a bad call pre flop because he put 46k to potentially Win 580k If he stacks the other Guy with this odds he needs 8% equity, but, he Will flop a set only 12% and on those 12% of the time he can be up against better sets, anyway, playing with 500 big blinds is really wierd.
@@kidpoker9408 yeah but he really should only be losing to pocket kings. No 2 pairs, no straights or flushes, 99 4 betting and calling a 5 bet is not exactly standard play. Blocking the nfd and AK makes a fold a little easier, but in this instance 1 pair is a pretty strong hand
@@Yurdleyah I think Colman knows Seiver isn’t balanced here. Seiver’s range is super narrow as you say. If Seiver was an online GTO monster then I think it’s a call. But i don’t see Seiver having any bluffs here, and I don’t think he often plays AK like that either.
@@nintendokings AA with a heart has terrible hand removal there but siever is repping 1 maybe 2 hands there. Tough decision either way u think about it
@@Yurdleyah yep. It’s a tough one. I know Seiver is only repping like 1 hand, but in a 5bet pot how often is Seiver gonna show up with AK or a random low frequency bluff like JhTh here, given the action? KK + a once in a blue moon 99 is more likely. Online high stakes I think would call but live against Seiver given how chill he was I think that’s why Colman folds
Should you ever fold aces?? It's still just one pair, right?? Preflop, sure be aggressive. But at the end you don't improve, you still just have one pair.
I lost over $400 at the casino when a player raised pre-flop and another bluff reraised all-in with K5 with me to follow with AA. Of course, the K5 hit his two pair.
Seiver is the greatest douchebag in History of poker. So easy to read! Ive folded Aces postflop a lot. But i have to say this about Colman, hes one of the best online players of the last decade and a great Tournament Player. I Really like Dan Colman at the Poker Table. His attitude is always calm, quiet and respektfull against all other players at the table! Shulman is one of the best Co- Commentator that Poker ever had. Since to this day! Great Pokermind!
Hehe..possibly true, but if you have AA and your opponent has called and even raised you before getting to the river it squeaky bum time even on a board as dry as this
Why incredible ? The question is more how could you not fold A,A if the opponent goes all in on the river. Obviously he is very strong, stronger than just one pair for sure. Totally normal lay down.
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LOL
Seiver is Jewish too after all 😂
Damn... underrated comment right here!
Lmao
this made me good ol chuckle
Scott Seiver breathing like he's just been thrown into an ice lake with Wim Hof.
Lmao
Easy tell, exactly the reason I think Dan folds
@@usernamesrlamo nah the reason is he think he has kings! watch the video dumbass!
Seiver trying to act nervous is hilarious.
@@oriondx72 It still was an easy tell, that he was beat.
Schullman on the mic is always gold
I'll take 1 Gabe Kaplan over 100 Schullmans any day.
He’s the worst. Vocal fry at its finest. I can’t watch because of this tool
I'm with you, love Schullman
Announcers are idiots.
He should do this
Player does opposite
Ohhhh good play
He should call but.......
He raises hey thats great
Doug Polk: Easy fold.
Phil Hellmuth: What's this guy doing? He's supposed to call every time!
Vanessa Selbst : allright i call... what else can i do ?
So sick i knew you had that hand.
Helmuth: honey he called 70k with 9s preflop ...amateurs
Pretty sure Doug said to call around half of your aces, or call your AK and fold your AA if Scott doesn't play AA this way so AK might be better call blocking KK.
Seiver strong player so definitely has bluffs so you can't fold everything. He could have A5s, AQs. He's mainly repping KK that's only 3 combos and some 99 and AA which I estimate has around 3 combos. So he needs to bluff 2.5ish combos of bluff for the bet size.
@@maheshpun4804 if Seiver had KK wouldnt he 6-bet? Or could he just call to play post flop IP?
@@danielfcastro Maybe, but 6-betting is pretty hard to balance, at that point he basically would only have KK or AA. Is he ever 6-bet bluffing with something like A5s? Hard to imagine. I think most players would simply not have any 6-bets and just keep an uncapped range on a call.
I’m leaning towards calling, although raising or folding is perfectly fine.
He elects to raise. I’m okay with that, although I am also okay with calling or folding.
Either option is fine! 😂😂
Ok Vanessa!
Those are the 3 options btw
@@pokerboy72
You are a poker prodigy!
In fact, the suggested calling is the worst option lol
i’ve only seen this hand 37 times.
Every time I think I’m getting better at poker I watch this happen then I’m like ok back to 2-3
So much for those implied odds. Outplayed.
I think Colman know it :)
lol Seiver trying to look nervous after the river shove.
I’m all in. 🥺
Dan 10000% picked up on that lol
Damn A’s were cracked by both 9’s and 8’s. What a cold deck.
I'm really a fan on that commentary, I wish to see more that on PokerGo.
Were you guys able to see Scott Seiver's live tell? Scott purposely tried to give Coleman a tell by appearing like he was nervous at 4:52 and 5:00 by twitching his head, taking a big gulp, and moving his hands (these are referred to as "reverse tells") but Dan was able to read this at 5:02 you can see Dan raise his eyebrows when Scott moves his hand. Dan knows Scott is a high stakes veteran and would never actually get nervous like he's acting in a situation like this. Essentially Scotts attempt at a reverse tell ended up becoming a legitimate tell for Dan to read. Also, even without Scott doing all that Dan was going to fold anyways lol which Scott likely sensed and spurred him to try the reverse tells as a last ditch effort to bait a call.
lol and this is why Dan Colman crushes.
I dont think this is a good representation of why he crushes it, he played this hand badly and lost 120k he shouldn't of
@@lucasyt306 If he folds aces on the turn there, he is paying super nitty and exploitive, and is basically only wanting to set mine or play ace suited hands for flushes...
@@michaelangst6078 I dont think it's super nitty to fold aces there , reason being so much money went in pre flop that it would be easy to put siever on kings in fact I would have convinced myself that was his hand , so not nitty at all
Well if you, a micro stakes crusher, would’ve convinced yourself then I guess I should take your advice and play bad
5 betting was the only 'mistake' here, it's fine as well
Since Polk folded a flopped straight you could probs imagine someone folding one pair now and again
Where is this obsession coming from about not folding aces after the turn and river when not improving??
It’s all about context bro that was an entirely different situation
@@ipayyoutube9252 2003
i didnt like polks fold to nitty in my book even thought it was a good fold
Well mr.Polk is a gto God so that's no suprise.
It's actually silly how hard Seiver was breathing to look nervous and then he tried to make his voice quiver when he said "I'm all in."
It’s cause he’s a goof
I just wrote this. His overacting was comical. He even tried to cry a little. Lmao.
@@daveyfadess
Lmao
??? That’s no acting…Panting heavy means you have a very strong hand, one of the easiest and oldest tells in the book and probably why Dan folds
Why do you think he wasn't nervous ?
This little twitch was the tell that gave it away that he has the winning hand 4:52
Great fold by Dan!
Great commentary. Really keeps you in it because they’re right, he’d never make the play w AK
The breathing and the chip flop chip glance on the flop and the chip stare after the Turn from Scott Seiver were obvious tells. Also his body posture went from slightly leaning back before the flop to sitting straight almost on the poker table after te flop and the turn.
Nice lay down! AA: Win a small pot, loose a big one. Colman smelt it. Poker is not about winning or loosing. Poker is about making the right decision.
At 3:15 do the commentators suggest that ak would check back the turn because they would be scared of aces? Is there any other reason?
Yes and also to potentially get value from worse holding. If Scott bets the turn with AK, Queens jacks tens etc are gonna fold. If u get called, you’re mostly up against aces so check back is mostly to keep worse hands in and keep pot smaller against better hands
Seiver was breathing like he had just run a marathon, and sat up straight after he jammed, which is a sign of strength as well. Good fold.
That's discipline
It all depends on the situation.. I’ve folded aces post flop many times before.. never preflop obviously.
There are tournament situations where folding AA preflop is correct, but very rare.
@timtrfny timtrfny Or on the bubble if a few players go all before you in and you’re short
U definitely want to fold them preflop around 5.62% of the time IF playing Game Theory Optimal ( GTO) for obvious reasons.
@@BoleDaPole lol
@timtrfny timtrfny depends how your bankroll management is I guess. But I think if min-cash money means so little you’re probably playing too cheap tournaments. If I have 3BB on the BTN on the bubble for a $100 min-cash, and a few people go all in before me, I’m folding AA and at least cashing the $100.
All in preflop or fold after flop that good option!
Well, not as hard of a fold if you think about it. What is Colman’s range when he 5bet? What is Seiver’s range when he calls a 5bet? It’s not like Doug and Phil in which Phil had a wide range and then polarized it with an all-in on the flop, both Colman’s and Seiver’s range have gotten quite narrow by their preflop battle. The best case scenario for Colman was Seiver having AKs, but given Colman had 2 of the 4 aces on the deck, Seiver’s range got even tighter.
Seiver’s on that 5bet was pretty much AA, AKs, KK, QQ, JJ, TT and 99, but given you block so many of the aces, it’s hard to put him on either AA or AK (and with AA he would probably have 6bet).
Your range is also super tight when you 5bet preflop, flop comes 9-K-2 rainbow, you bet small, he calls you, turn comes 3h, but the Kh is on the board, there is literally no way hero or villain has a flush draw given AKs is the only suited hand they have on their 5bet range. You check, he bets small, you call. What is the villains range when he value bets the turn? If he needed protection or wanted to take you off the hand he would need to bet much bigger. Their already small range got even smaller, you can take off the QQ, JJ and TT. They now have either AA, AKs (both of which you block and with AK he should not be betting small, he should be either checking or raising bigger), KK, 99.
River comes 8d, changes nothing. He value bets you again. Villain is either bluffing in a spot he should not be bluffing or he has you beat, Seiver is a good player, he knows better than to bluff with small bets on the turn and the river after a flop that hit your opponents range.
Not saying I’m a good player, I could not have folded the hand that Doug folded against Phil, but this one is a much easier fold.
By the way, I would never have put Seiver on 99, I would have put him on KK, and I’m quite sure both players would have played this differently if it weren’t for that King on the flop. If instead of a King, you had any card smaller than a Ten, this hand would have been quite different and I’m sure Colman’s would have gone broke.
I agree with everything you said. I also find it weird that Coleman would bet on Turn knowing that if he cared an all in he wouldn't be able to call. Maybe the TV makes it harder to fold aces
Mike Postel would have folder on the turn bet 😎
He would have folded pre. 😂
What a hand
Should have gone all in preflop!
Siever is 100% upset he didn't play it differently and didn't get a call
AA is often "only" just one top pair
it’s an overpair though, not a top pair. AA is strong specifically because it dominates top pair.
Is that the voice of AJ Benson?!?!?!
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA
You are given the best first hand possible. Folding is lit an option. Nobody has a better hand that you for the moment. Even if they connect a pair are behind you...
3:21 "i can hear you"
How old are these videos?
I’m all in. 🥺
why not..
Seivers such a mouth breather.
Coleman with the Ah knows the amount of flush bluffs are close to zero which is why it’s good to 3bet lower suited connectors pre some of the time
Generally speaking we want to fold aces roughly 24.86% of the time if we are playing proper GTO
Dork ass 🤓
All the pros fold AA preflop
So sick
Easy fold on that flop for my man Mike Postle !!
It's time to post high stakes poker to TH-cam !
Yes! Low chip before bubble in high buy in tournaments.
He made Reinkemeier fold AA in one drop but that time the AA was winning!
If Seiver mouthed the same spiel that he did against Reinkemeier there's a chance that Colman calls ...I think Colman was thinking on that very hand when he told Seiver he had AAs
What year was this?
Not sure about the year but the full game is on Poker Go, look for "Super High Roller Cash Game"
Isn’t the answer obvious? Pre flop No, post flop, rarely.
@JohnnyAppleseed if you thinks aces are bad more often than not after the three cards on the flop, I will happily play you any time.
@JohnnyAppleseed Calgary, you?
Only time I'd consider it is if I'm on the bubble and there's 2 all in already to place me in the money. But even then I'd only consider it.
great fold
You rip it all in lol
Scott needed to check the turn and shove river
We could hear Scott Seiver’s nervous breathing across the country, of course Dan Colman picks up on that.
Seiver still needed to make $60K more in order to *break even* on calling the 5bet. Impressive ability by Colman to control the size of the pot, NH!
Always tough to let go of Aces but if you don't get married to them you can save yourself a lot of money. Scott never acted scared that Coleman might have AA and guessing that's why Coleman could find a fold in that situation. That's some good discipline by Coleman
Is that heavy nervous breathing by Seiver i hear in the background?
Yes...
Maybe I just see the cards and am biased but if someone is raising and calling raises like that preflop I gotta put them on a high pocket pair. That King on the board is the key for me. Someone with a lower pocket pair than a king is not going to be going all in on the river unless they hit a set. Good fold but I'm gonna be that guy that says it's not a "OMFG what a fold" hand.
At the end of the day Aces are just a pair
@@peace2700 its a fact mate. And I think everyone has lost at least one hand with AA so don't really get your comment
Lmao !!! Scott over acting scared lmao !! Hahahahahahaha dude looks up adjusts him self and brings a tear to his eyes lmao !!!! These dudes lmao they kill me.
Yes did it three times last night 😂
I’ve seen Laak do it twice
izy fold OTR i never see bluffing range or merging range in this spot
Not pre flop, but I've folded AA on the flop several times, and I was right most of the time. Don't think I could fold it on the board.
Colman is putting him on pocket Kings. If there was no king on that board, Seiver gets everything from Colman
someone did it on Pokerstars The Big Game, dodged quads
Folded pre flop to lock up a big win.
Good fold😎💪🏼
based on that action yes aces can be folded
Aces are not immune.
Sometimes they have to be folded.
If Colman studied Postle's Crotch Theory he lays this down quicker, easy fold.
Give me just one bluffing hand that Seiver can have.
QJh if you want a bluffing hand
Holly shit. They are playing millions of cash. I play 100NL and fierce heartbeat
Pink shirt breathing so hard on the river 😂
Well the GTO play is to 4 bet pre flop. Look for the exploitative theory with the other players in.. looks like both players are 400 BB effective. The plus EV move would to be fold because I have no idea what I'm talking about.. I can barely afford a Uber ride home after playing 1-2 at my local casino.
I’ve done it at least six or seven times and was right more often than not. It’s not hard to do.
Lays down a monster. Should have paid me off on that. Da fuq did you lay that down?
I think you cant fold river without beeing exploitable at this spot, i think the only combo you should be worried is KK, 99 is a bad call pre flop because he put 46k to potentially Win 580k If he stacks the other Guy with this odds he needs 8% equity, but, he Will flop a set only 12% and on those 12% of the time he can be up against better sets, anyway, playing with 500 big blinds is really wierd.
Preflop? Hell no!
Postflop? There are situations when folding is the right move.
if im on the bubble in a tourney for a ton of money im always folding aces lol if theres large raises pre
Not preflop. But sure.
love how pros think oh have a hand its the best hand and they dont even consider what the other guy has before 4 betting
That's a really dumb comment
I’m going broke! Apparently by other comments everyone folding AA haha
i hear u but u gotta remember he only has top pair
@@kidpoker9408 yeah but he really should only be losing to pocket kings. No 2 pairs, no straights or flushes, 99 4 betting and calling a 5 bet is not exactly standard play. Blocking the nfd and AK makes a fold a little easier, but in this instance 1 pair is a pretty strong hand
@@Yurdleyah I think Colman knows Seiver isn’t balanced here. Seiver’s range is super narrow as you say. If Seiver was an online GTO monster then I think it’s a call. But i don’t see Seiver having any bluffs here, and I don’t think he often plays AK like that either.
@@nintendokings AA with a heart has terrible hand removal there but siever is repping 1 maybe 2 hands there. Tough decision either way u think about it
@@Yurdleyah yep. It’s a tough one. I know Seiver is only repping like 1 hand, but in a 5bet pot how often is Seiver gonna show up with AK or a random low frequency bluff like JhTh here, given the action? KK + a once in a blue moon 99 is more likely. Online high stakes I think would call but live against Seiver given how chill he was I think that’s why Colman folds
sizing on turn tells us where we are at already, he lost an unnecessary 120K if his read was already KK.
If it wasn't for the K he would have called
no, preflop.
What a runout for Colman. Second nuts with 99
Should you ever fold aces?? It's still just one pair, right?? Preflop, sure be aggressive. But at the end you don't improve, you still just have one pair.
THANK YOU!
23 92 etc has aces beat not that seiver would have those hands thats what makes folding them difficult bot not impossible
I'm losing all my chips. I'd think 99 made more sense then KK. Doesn't he push pre with KK? What is your take?
Shove pre for 500bb? Nah. That would be a huge mistake with KK there.
I lost a hundred bucks going all in with pocket aces.
what a tragedy
You don’t count the other three times when you winning
I lost over $400 at the casino when a player raised pre-flop and another bluff reraised all-in with K5 with me to follow with AA. Of course, the K5 hit his two pair.
Seiver is the greatest douchebag in History of poker. So easy to read!
Ive folded Aces postflop a lot.
But i have to say this about Colman, hes one of the best online players of the last decade and a great Tournament Player.
I Really like Dan Colman at the Poker Table. His attitude is always calm, quiet and respektfull against all other players at the table!
Shulman is one of the best Co- Commentator that Poker ever had.
Since to this day! Great Pokermind!
I disagree. Putting him on kings was a horrible read....
As long as not folded pre flop that's normal
It is a good fold but he has to do it..don’t get married to huge pairs especially AA
Ppl who say this always the guy who would never do it lol
Hehe..possibly true, but if you have AA and your opponent has called and even raised you before getting to the river it squeaky bum time even on a board as dry as this
Seivers breathing heavily massive tell
What hand could be beat? Every set or two pair combo has him beat.
Bluffs, but, idk, o i would be mostly afraid of kings
Se dan cuenta que no es necesario que tenga set, un buen jugador igual lo haría foldear sin nada.
What a lucky shit Seiver is, 4bet pre, flop a set, and get a super clean runout. I'm so glad he didn't get paid off on the river.
Fold pre
Why incredible ? The question is more how could you not fold A,A if the opponent goes all in on the river.
Obviously he is very strong, stronger than just one pair for sure.
Totally normal lay down.
After he 4 bet with 99 ( it was huge mistake). Colman should 5 bet 120 k and winn there!
I always wanted to fold pocket aces pre-flop face up. Just to mess with people.
hosting a cash game tonight Dave come thru
@@mydogsbestfren7490 Sorry, can't make it...covid.
With my luck with pocket aces, this sounds like a good plan. I swear to God that I have lost more hands when I have them than I have won.
AK ?