Lol Seiver was so dumb, talks a lot first, looks confident, he could see that the German his hand was pretty weak on his face, takes a lot of time and then still decides to fold lmao...
The dialogue here by both players was really top tier. The way Scott acted after shoving made him sound so strong and confident. He didn't seem worried about Reinkemeir calling him at all, and almost egged him on to do so. Right after, Reinkemeir basically perfectly read Scott's hand, which quickly made Scott look really uncomfortable as he zeroed in on the K10. Then the way Reinkemeir looked at Scott after saying he wouldn't normally fold at 5:17 seemed like an attempt to get Scott to show a wave of relief, but Scott didn't flinch. I honestly think it was Scott's performance here that won him the hand.
Reinkemeir was uncomfortable with the stakes and that impacted his decision. If you have a trap there, you almost have to call when you get a shove on the turn. If youre calling a smaller bet on that turn, then you’re also calling all ins.
Slowplays Aces to induce a shove, gets the shove he wants, tells Seiver he has Aces, Folds the Aces, then shows the Aces. And he STILL finished higher than Seiver. LOL
He played those aces very badly in my opinion. You've got to check raise that on the flop or jam or at least lead when that 3rd club come out to stop giveing a free card. Just asking for the other guy to out draw him
@@danielali6571 Indeed, also he ain't good at reading other players (live) obviously cuz even I could read from the others guy face here that he was scared to get called, lol... Pretty annoying too someone to think for 10mins and then still fold. There is really not that much to think about.
Can't help but feel the WSOP is being unprofessional by saying "DUMBEST FOLD EVER" when these players paid a lot of money to play in this event and if it wasn't for their investment the WSOP wouldn't exist. It wasn't a dumb fold it was a tight fold. A flush possibility was there. It's a 1 million dollar buy in! Of course players are going to be extra careful about how they put in their money. The WSOP doesn't need to insult their own players in their TH-cam titles.
@@joshkotran5746 It is, but there is also not a single 4-card board (unless 4 cards of the same suit) where you fold AA on the turn when the stacks are so shallow.
@@Jasper-zl6ld He honestly played this fine up until the turn point. The only thing I see is checking the turn is a bit dangerous because it's a disaster if it checks through. With it being played in flow I think it's fine every once in a while to slow play it but you have to check turn with the intention of jamming. If they have the flush they have the flush if you're going to slow play aces early you've still gotta find a way to get the money in good.
Everyone is a poker god when they aren’t in the hand or can see the cards. Was a tough spot at a final table with one of the largest prize pools in the world.
@@Whocares66672 I'm not wrong Scott Seiver had 16bb to start the hand. Blinds are 300k-600k and Scott has 9.5 million to start the hand. 16bb effective to start the hand.
I can't lie - the way Scott talked during the decision was actually brilliant. I pictured he'd be a nervous mess, but he looked so confident.. Good for him.
Pretty risky tbh. It paid off but honestly he would have been better off keeping his mouth shut. He got lucky because he announced he should just shut up now seconds before his opponent accurately guessed his hand. If he hadn’t said this, what was he gonna do when his hand gets announced? Become quiet suddenly? Or try to keep his cool. Either way, it could have been bad.
No, not brilliant - really obvious he was feigning strength to induce a fold. Watch it again. His opponent decided he must have a flush draw along with his straight draw and given those odds he was smart to lay it down. His talking led to him being read nearly correctly except his opponent underestimated how bad his push really was. Also, showing his cards was a horrible play as well after talking like that in the hand. He just gave away all his info in a single hand.
at 5:00 when Reinkemeier acurately calls Seivers hand/bluff and Seivers reacts by trying to freeze and lock stare but he's shaking a bit... that's the sport of poker happening right in that moment
I really sympathize with Reinkemeier here. I struggle playing with pocket rockets myself because it isn't too common for your hand to improve and I start seeing all the monsters in the closet. I tend to play really aggressively with them just to try to take down a pot, feel like I got something out of them, and move on with the game. It is a real hole in my game. Glad to see from the comments here that I am not the only one with this weakness.
When ure heads up with aces, most of the time u don't need to improve your hand. Don't discredit or under rep your hand too much. Dont let bad beats and misfortune dictates your near future decisions and play style.
In most spots facing allin, if you beat some of your opponents value bets you have to call, Scott has KK and AQ not even bluffs like he said KT, T9 and I would imagine AKo and ATo would bluff some as well especially with a club blocker. In lowstakes people even jam KQ, QT so it's a mandatory call. Don't feel bad if you run into the top of their range, if you see a flush or QJ that doesn't mean your call was wrong. You can't really learn if your call was correct then, it's only when you see him having the bluffs and worse Q, then you know it was good
7:08 - what are the hands beating aces? 4x sets, two pairs, baby-to-nut-flushes.... I don't mind the fold to be honest. One pair (even top pair) is pretty low down on the "winning hands" list.
I’ve watched this hand several times now, there’s so much to take in. Even just at the end. Rankemier with the super long stare down, Daniel calling the clock, Scott with the weird post-hand angle so he gets to see the Aces and show the bluff, Rick Solomon’s disapproving face… 😂
I've been binge-watching poker vids lately, and I definitely consider this one of my favourites now that I've watched it again. The conversation between the two of them about what they have was really interesting, as well as everything else you've mentioned :)
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Nearly 6 years later, still watching this sick bluff. This situation happens often when you deceive your opponent with your starting hand. It's a double edge trickery that has a very sick outcome if your opponent is willing to play large pots. You must always consider this whenever you try to pull this off.
@@ktwine7994 No, it wasn't "an awful fold." The all-in was incredibly polarizing. Seiver had either a huge hand (made set, two pair, the flush) or a strong draw. Calling off most of your stack with one pair is super-hard to do, even when that one pair is AA. Particularly when you have no redraw to a nutted hand. While this fold isn't some kind of great play, it's also not "awful" in any way.
That’s not what makes you pull your hair out. When you tank for minutes, then make the correct call with aces, just for a third ace to hit the river and make the straight. That’s why poker fucking sucks !
@@bartholomewtheapostle8664 - No, because of his body language and the look on his face. You need to understand that everything you do at the poker table conveys information.
Great chat from Seiver - kept him alive. No issue with the fold either. Only top players can fold aces in that spot (it doesn’t matter if it’s the incorrect play here).
Let’s be real here we’ve all been in similar situations. I’ve made that fold myself once or twice, it’s either the flush or a ridiculous bluff.. hard call ESPECIALLY with that mental warfare Scott was laying down.
Would love to see Daniel break this hand down and analyze it. How huge would it have been for one of those aces to have been the Ace of clubs? With the aces in that position, that point of the tournament, I'm coming over the top of Seiver's C-bet just to avoid the tough decision later.
not having the ace of clubs was the deciding factor between folding and calling. When he said Seiver could have J9 or K10 and the sigh "even against those hands..." meaning he puts Seiver on J9 or K10 with one club. Those hands have a lot of outs against aces no club. It is unlikely tho because no way seiver open utg with K10 or J9 off suit. Gotta be suited.
@@mikebid87 It wasn't a terrible fold. The misplay was slowplaying the aces to begin with. Siever played that hand exactly like he would have if he flopped a flush draw or a K 10. On one hand he's completely crushed, on the other hand he is ahead but the other player has outs. That's what caused him to fold. From his position he's in an awful place where even if he makes the right 50/50 call, he still loses 15% of the time. It wasn't an awful fold and if Siever's hand was a flush he'd be in the category of very sick fold. He just shouldn't have slowplayed aces to begin with and take down a smaller pot, but a pot all the same.
I heard somewhere that Scott Seiver is very good at reversing verbal and physical tells, and this Reinkemeier guy seems to weight his decision on this. The 10 minute tank was probably mostly an attempt to find something physical on Seiver. Also it's funny watching Dnegs reaction as he fully understands this dynamic.
This is just me: a) never slow play a pocket pair unless you hit the flop (AA, KK, QQ etc); and b) if you're going to make an exception to rule a NEVER slow play them out of position. This instance is an example where being out of position plus a scary turn card got Reinkemeier all twisted up. He could have taken down the $3,225,000 pot pre-flop with a 3 bet or on the flop with a big bet and moved on to the next hand. He got greedy, played to induce Seiver to put more money into the pot, and when Seiver gives him his wish he gets the other $10M in...and then regretted inducing the bet. How much more was Reinkemeier willing to call Seiver for then? $2M? $4M? If it was another $2M more its not enough to put your tournament on the line by slow playing. If it was $4M more and he loses he's crippled anyways...so what's the difference between calling another $4M off or another $10M off? Slow playing a pocket pair is always a bad idea even if it works out on occasion.
No you should always slowplay it. People just make the mistake of not underplaying it enough. You really gotta commit to using it as a bluff catcher all the way.
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I’m flying out Wednesday for the WSOP, not playing the main but playing some other good tournaments… This hand is why I don’t slow play AA ever… Know matter how good you are the monsters always come out from the closet and you think your making a good lay down but not… I’d rather win small pots with AA then lose 75% of my stack with them slow playing them
The funny thing is that Seiver says he would think of less of him as a man if he folds. In the end it turns out that wasn't just table talk, you can see not just in his reaction but also the way he eyeballs him after, he really did think way less of him for playing AA that way lmao. Can't blame him.
I love the shitty commentary about how c-betting is "a leak in a lot of pros game" in spots where you basically have to c-bet or your range is instantly capped
I think I see the genius in this hand now. Reinkemeier is generally a hard player to read, but a player asking for a count in this spot yet tanking is always indicative of a massive bluffcatcher that's generally too good to fold, especially if the caller were to correctly perceive the betting frequencies and betting ranges of someone like Seiver in this situation. Seiver has always been one of the most loose-aggressive postflop players ever since he first broke through into nosebleeds way back in late '07 (mostly '08). With that said, this high roller specialist plays with an almost identical amount of aggression in tourneys like this one, and any combo of Aces on this board would generally be too good to fold after Toby takes this line and under-reps his hand big-time. However, here is where Seiver really shows how far he has come since his online days. His body language is clear to any good poker player -- he is nervous, and his range now should look like it's capped at two pair as Toby does show up with a set here a lot when he does tank and call the shove. Toby, however, has Aces, but Seiver cannot possibly focus on this because Toby looks so much like he has AQ/KQ. So he ends up conversing with Toby, trying his best not to show genuine shock when he is calmly told by Toby that his adversary is sitting on Aces. I think Seiver blunders when he asks if his opponent has the club, as in conjunction with his obvious nervousness, his hand now looks an AWFUL lot like KcTx, QcJx, and maybe the other two Aces. Seiver cannot possibly believe he has acted calmly enough at any point after his shove to rep a made flush, but he ends up repping these three hands instead, which are all still in either okay or great shape anyways. Whether Toby actually picked up on this, it's well over $1 million in equity in the pot at this point -- probably around 3 or 4 if you ask me -- and there's always the slight possibility that Seiver is actually trapping by using his smooth talk and cunning, in which case Toby is drawing dead. Narrowing his range based on objective interpretations of his tells would likely lead Reinkemeier to at least a similar conclusion. In spite of Seiver's nervousness, he manages to psychologically conquer the best German tournament in history in spite of his opponent's very calm demeanor throughout the entire hand. Every action he made was a grind towards inducing a fold that very likely would not have happened, for he knows just how competent his opponent was. Thus, he knew just how he had to behave, knowing his nerves in spots like these and what he's done in the past to get by when he feels that way. Poker at its best. This bluff is underrated.
i dont like ur analysis. him saying with the club is smart af because it implies he has seiver has made the flush already, and he's wondering if he's still drawing live.
brendon kennedy Agreed. The real spectacle here is not Siever’s shove, but the German guy’s horrible slow play into a board that makes way too many hands that could beat him.
What he said was spot on. Even against k 10 or 9 10 with a club. Guy would still have 17 outs (15 with 2 aces out ). And that's IF he isnt already against a flush or trips or 2 pair.
There's no way Seiver opens 9To from the hijack six-handed. I don't think he'd open KTo either, although I'm not a tournament player and the tournament situation changes things some. KTs is probably very near the bottom of his opening range. So the only semi-bluffs he can have are flush draws and straight draws, both of which are in terrible shape vs AA. Maaaaaaybe some pair+flush draws, although I think those would mostly just check behind.
Reinkemeier did a great job under-repping his hand but just leveled himself to the hilt while giving Sevier credit for a small flush or even 2 pair. He really had little equity to improve so thats why he folded. I see that A-A or K--K fold many times watching High Stakes poker or High Roller tourneys.
I cant see him having two pair their.. Your against a flush, flush draw, or bluff. Flush draw or pair....u def shouldn't fold there. So only one decision. Does he have the nuts or doesnt? Your only decision omo
Plus when do you see pros folding that? I see them doing it in cash games, where everyone is really deep stacked, and opponent is BB, SB, or BTN, playing a K-9 suited or any suited hands. So def possible small flush hit their against your AA Opponent short stacked, your above, have AA, in tournament play? Knowing he doesnt (or unlikely) 2 pair, and ONLY possible hands beating you is the nuts, flush draw, or gets the 10 or Q set on river. U slow played and got what u wanted, all in. Go with the plan and make the call. And than if your folding....ur folding cause of a very specific player...a player that is very very tight/conservative so I can see making a hero fold with the right player too.....but siever, short stacked, I would assume the all in is a top pair bluff or flush draw....i would automatically assume i got 70-75% equity to 90% equity (if u think his only chance of winning is getting a set)
I have to disagree with your comment. Siever told Reinkemeier he is not holding the Ace of clubs by trying to figure out if Reinkemeier's aces included the ace of clubs. If a player is knowingly jamming all in without the nuts says a lot. Given the action and failure at keeping his possible hand combinations hidden, Reinkemeier made a bad fold.
05:05 The look at Seiver's face gave away the most obvious tell I have ever seen. When Reinkemeier called out one of his possible hands, K/10, Seiver's face changed. If I had the Aces and correctly called someones hand, and they give a tell like Seiver did, I'd snap call. But that's just me.
No actually. He said theres no way you fold AA because had he put him on AA he wouldnt pull that bluff as he knows its too risky. You could see his hands were shaking at the end. And i think he knows it too that he was a bit lucky that the villain is a bit soft on the call button. Great bluff in this case since it pulled through, although idt its gto long term. Okay fold cos i hv to think the 1 million buy in really affects your decision.
I dont think its hard of a lay down. Just give Seiver props for the massive bet. AA is just a pair. Yes, top pair but only a pair. Cannot fall in love with that hand. Either bet heavy and strong fast or fold when facing a massive bet.
You’re wrong on many reasons. 1) he slow played pre and flop and got exactly what he wanted on the turn 2) it wasn’t a massive bet. Scott was the short stack at the table 3) more than likely Scott has a drawing hand or AQ. You’re hardly behind on this board
LOL even Seiver himself didn’t believe the guy could have folded aces since that’s such a terrible fold. When you slow play your aces like that you can’t just lay them down.
Seemed like he folded because scott was saying exactly what he could be saying if he had the hand.. I would think less of u if u folded speech was pretty sick to get him to be convined he had aa beat. Seiver could easily have aq or kq with a club drawing though. Plus would he really do an all in with a made flush on turn.. I dunno seems like u have to call spot so I guess he folded for Scott acting like he had him.
You would shove a smaller flush to try and fold out a pair with the ace of clubs cause you don't want to see a fourth club. If I didn't see the cards I would have put him on pair with ace of clubs or q to ten high flush. Of course I would have been wrong. That was a risky shove. He did it because of the slow play made it look weak. When you slow play and they shove sometimes you just have to call because you were way under representing your hand
If he'd been on the clock from the start i doubt he'd have folded them. It's unlikely Siever shoves the made flush there, possibly the draw. U have him covered. Don't over think it. Also, if u don't like tough decisions don't slow play aces on 3 streets 😂
He shoves a made baby flush for sure. He also shoves QJ or a set. And he might shove a QcXc as well (although he gets a free river I'd think he should check that). Slow playing AA, especially out of position, when you don't improve on the flop is a mistake. Seeing the turn is always a massive liability for that hand unless you smashed it.
This hand never gets old. Tobias has the unsettlingly calm composure of a great movie villain. I wonder what Dan was thinking during that hand and what his reason was for calling the clock. Tobias knew that Scott didn’t have the Aclub because he asked if he had it. I’m still baffled that he didn’t call that after all that. Would have been great to see the river.
He may have played the hand the worst in history but I don't think it's the worst fold. Seivers range is so wide he could easily have a flush in that spot which would have the aces drawing dead. Rule of thumb, you don't wanna go broke holding one pair. Great play by Scott
when you have aces and the board comes with 2 suited cards, it's time to stop slow playing. you have to raise so that players have to pay good money to see that 3rd club.
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I think a line that saved him was when he said "you have the ace clubs?"- I think in his opponents head, that just made it look like Siever has the king high flush, or 2 pair
I think he looked really nervous. His lips were quivering as he was talking, at 3:43 as he says "oooh" his eyelids were shakey. At 4:16 his lips were dry and open (mouth breathing). All signs of nerves
@@mindw0rking Not really, I thought he looked nervous as I was watching it, and just went back through the video to find out why I thought it. It's not super human to pick up when someone looks nervous
The fold wasn't the problem The way he played before the fold was the problem. It was like he was playing to not lose the hand as opposed to winning the hand
he felt extremely lucky he wasn't called, he wasn't expecting to make AA fold with his bluff and felt it was a poor play (but only got lucky to get through)
@@peiyongchen9815 For being a top pro I was surprised how easy of a tell he has. I think that was primarily why the guy was confused. Likely thought it was an act.
I dont think so he was talking like he had it and figured what he had said had convinced his opponent that he was very strong so now to keep talk would be a bad idea so he said let me shut up was icing on the cake to me
@@thatguyhub2135 Thank god you're a professional poker player, not some random ass nobody commenting on TH-cam thinking of being in the same level as these players! :)
at 3:37 Scott had a big leak IMO, but Tobias didn't notice it. IF Sevier thinks Tobias got KQ or AQ, then what he wanna say? He wanna ensure Tobias that he(Scott) got KK or AA and single Q is bad. Cuz if he has QQ its small chance Tobias got a Q as well. Then what else beats Tobias AA? AK of clubs, would really Scott got that lucky and full pot jam the turn with stone cold nuts??? or JJ and got so lucky on turn (and not afraid of QQ or flush in this case to jam as well).... if Tobias thought more about that sentence, he might call I guess
IMO, Tobias absolutely notices that and probably was a big reason to end up folding. Scott geniunely puts him on AK or KQ, so it's far less likely that Scott himself has the same hand (which Tobias obviously would want to). Tobias himself actually points that out not only once but twice during the video. So he puts Scott into other value hands that have AA destroyed (JJ and flushes) And yes, Scott would shove flushes on that turn, maybe even all of them except AQ/KQ (which, again, Tobias doesn't expect him to have). If he has AK clubs, he probably shoves as well. Checking would be weird cause Tobias is almost never leading the river on that spot. Scott then of course also have bluffs there which Tobias also points out (and actually have) but ultimately I think Tobias doesn't think that Scott plays too many of those that way. It's not even sure Scott opens 910s with 16 bbs with other players there also short, and even if he does, maybe doesn't c-bet with no overs and draws. Maybe he only asignes Scott the 3 K10s and 910 spades at the most. That been said, I still think AA is a call there, specially when you take into account others possible hands for Scott, mainly KK. But you have to take into account the situation. There's major payouts on top, there's still weak players on the table (Newey even really short) and anyone's game and that point. Tobias knows if he folds he still has 18 bbs and in contention (i don't know the stack sizes but Negreanu seems to be chip leader with around 50bbs?). If he calls and is wrong (and all the hands Scott has for value have him drawing dead or almost) he is 95% going out on 7th
I slow play As and Ks in cash games with 200-300 BB. But for tournaments, late in the game, I would not slow play them. Just taking down blinds and antes is not bad when you only have 20-40 BB behind.
My heart fucking dropped when he said “you could have KT or 9T.” Siever froze like he had a seizure
Froze like he had a Seiver
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Froze like a baby deer playing dead.
@@Bur6212 lmfao, nice pun
That's the sort of read that the legendary Stu Ungar built his reputation on.
Seiver looks like the guy who got bit in a zombie movie but won’t tell the rest of the group
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This is by far my favorite descrpition of Seiver's poker face I've seen so far
seiver's poker face looks like a homeless person is withdrawing from heroin
I honestly can't stand his face
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Lol Seiver was so dumb, talks a lot first, looks confident, he could see that the German his hand was pretty weak on his face, takes a lot of time and then still decides to fold lmao...
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Kind of looks like a third grader trying to do math in their head
The dialogue here by both players was really top tier. The way Scott acted after shoving made him sound so strong and confident. He didn't seem worried about Reinkemeir calling him at all, and almost egged him on to do so. Right after, Reinkemeir basically perfectly read Scott's hand, which quickly made Scott look really uncomfortable as he zeroed in on the K10. Then the way Reinkemeir looked at Scott after saying he wouldn't normally fold at 5:17 seemed like an attempt to get Scott to show a wave of relief, but Scott didn't flinch. I honestly think it was Scott's performance here that won him the hand.
I agree. He was so confident and said all the right things.
I agree. Personally i still would have called as I don’t think he would have shoved if he actually had a flush.
Crazy cause that woulda had me insta call
@@greenwave819 I beleive you, but the fact you see all the cards probably has something to do with your perception
Reinkemeir was uncomfortable with the stakes and that impacted his decision. If you have a trap there, you almost have to call when you get a shove on the turn. If youre calling a smaller bet on that turn, then you’re also calling all ins.
Slowplays Aces to induce a shove, gets the shove he wants, tells Seiver he has Aces, Folds the Aces, then shows the Aces. And he STILL finished higher than Seiver. LOL
You forgot to mention that he didn't even have the option to make the classic bluff-call on the end like he did vs. Roland de Wolfe!
Seiver face
He played those aces very badly in my opinion. You've got to check raise that on the flop or jam or at least lead when that 3rd club come out to stop giveing a free card. Just asking for the other guy to out draw him
@@danielali6571 Indeed, also he ain't good at reading other players (live) obviously cuz even I could read from the others guy face here that he was scared to get called, lol... Pretty annoying too someone to think for 10mins and then still fold. There is really not that much to think about.
A pathetic loser or a blessed man
Can't help but feel the WSOP is being unprofessional by saying "DUMBEST FOLD EVER" when these players paid a lot of money to play in this event and if it wasn't for their investment the WSOP wouldn't exist. It wasn't a dumb fold it was a tight fold. A flush possibility was there. It's a 1 million dollar buy in! Of course players are going to be extra careful about how they put in their money. The WSOP doesn't need to insult their own players in their TH-cam titles.
fully agreed, I wouldn't expect WSOP to make this kind of title, rather some third party TH-camr
@@abcdefgh5808 exactly.
These are the kind of titles that you need to make it in the YT algo sadly
absolutely! when i saw the title i had to double check it was really the wsop channel. very unprofessional indeed.
Agree. Sometimes they engage in cringeworthy practices.
The problem with slow-playing AA is that it's common to start seeing monsters under the bed when opponent gets frisky.
It's a fair strategy (backed by theory) when you're short stacked, particularly in the 15-25 BB range
@@joshkotran5746 It is, but there is also not a single 4-card board (unless 4 cards of the same suit) where you fold AA on the turn when the stacks are so shallow.
Never get MUBS
It's probably the other way around: 'oh I have ACES, I should call anything/anytime'. Not necessarily applicable to this specific hand though ;).
@@Jasper-zl6ld He honestly played this fine up until the turn point. The only thing I see is checking the turn is a bit dangerous because it's a disaster if it checks through. With it being played in flow I think it's fine every once in a while to slow play it but you have to check turn with the intention of jamming. If they have the flush they have the flush if you're going to slow play aces early you've still gotta find a way to get the money in good.
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"Scott doesn't look as comfortable now" always gets me 😂
4:48 “I think I should shut up now”, and Daniel Negreanu is thinking “damn right!”!
Talking is rarely a good strategy. Shut up.
You need to understand that everything you do at the poker table conveys information
Everyone is a poker god when they aren’t in the hand or can see the cards. Was a tough spot at a final table with one of the largest prize pools in the world.
16bb effective to start the hand. Not that tough actually, just call.
@@richcheckmaker wrong. He was left woth 16bb after the hand was over.
@@Whocares66672 I'm not wrong Scott Seiver had 16bb to start the hand. Blinds are 300k-600k and Scott has 9.5 million to start the hand. 16bb effective to start the hand.
@@richcheckmaker i thought you meant reinkemeier my bad
@@Whocares66672 It's all good.
I can't lie - the way Scott talked during the decision was actually brilliant. I pictured he'd be a nervous mess, but he looked so confident.. Good for him.
He’s confident because being a nervous mess is his status quo
Pretty risky tbh. It paid off but honestly he would have been better off keeping his mouth shut. He got lucky because he announced he should just shut up now seconds before his opponent accurately guessed his hand. If he hadn’t said this, what was he gonna do when his hand gets announced? Become quiet suddenly? Or try to keep his cool. Either way, it could have been bad.
He was a moron for talking. I read players at the table daily for talking.
He did have a tell though, when Rankemeier said Scott's hand (King, 10), Scott's breathing became noticeably heavier.
No, not brilliant - really obvious he was feigning strength to induce a fold. Watch it again. His opponent decided he must have a flush draw along with his straight draw and given those odds he was smart to lay it down. His talking led to him being read nearly correctly except his opponent underestimated how bad his push really was. Also, showing his cards was a horrible play as well after talking like that in the hand. He just gave away all his info in a single hand.
7:20 even the caveman was like "WTF"
Which planet of the apes character is that?
That's Rick Solomon. He did the six tape with Paris Hilton!
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Slow played himself into a fold. Brilliant.
at 5:00 when Reinkemeier acurately calls Seivers hand/bluff and Seivers reacts by trying to freeze and lock stare but he's shaking a bit... that's the sport of poker happening right in that moment
Game. In no way is it a sport.
@@bwrpwreveryone wants to be an athlete lol
@3:58 Daniel knew he was bluffing.....
Having played with Seiver as much as he has, looks to be true lol.
James Conor D You can’t be all loosely goosey at the table.
@@thewolf5444 Having a sandwich?
He admits that he doesn’t have the nut flush when he asks Tobias if he has the Ace of clubs, which makes it more likely he’s bluffing
Asking if he had the club was more of joke because he obviously would have called right away if he did have the ace of clubs
Seiver's poker face mode reminded me of Pvt. Pyle (in Full Metal Jacket), right before he shot GSgt. Hartman and himself.
Perfect description
I really sympathize with Reinkemeier here. I struggle playing with pocket rockets myself because it isn't too common for your hand to improve and I start seeing all the monsters in the closet. I tend to play really aggressively with them just to try to take down a pot, feel like I got something out of them, and move on with the game. It is a real hole in my game. Glad to see from the comments here that I am not the only one with this weakness.
When ure heads up with aces, most of the time u don't need to improve your hand. Don't discredit or under rep your hand too much. Dont let bad beats and misfortune dictates your near future decisions and play style.
Never slow play with multiples of a suit on the board. That check was dumb af, gave Seiver a free card and way more representation.
I also don't know how to play them. I usually just shove preflop or after the flop if the board isn't paired. I hate slowplaying them
In most spots facing allin, if you beat some of your opponents value bets you have to call, Scott has KK and AQ not even bluffs like he said KT, T9 and I would imagine AKo and ATo would bluff some as well especially with a club blocker.
In lowstakes people even jam KQ, QT so it's a mandatory call.
Don't feel bad if you run into the top of their range, if you see a flush or QJ that doesn't mean your call was wrong. You can't really learn if your call was correct then, it's only when you see him having the bluffs and worse Q, then you know it was good
7:08 - what are the hands beating aces? 4x sets, two pairs, baby-to-nut-flushes.... I don't mind the fold to be honest. One pair (even top pair) is pretty low down on the "winning hands" list.
7:20 The sincerest face expression ever when you see someone slowplaying aces
I always respect a guy who can hold his/her facade even after the opponent calls their hand correctly.
right? that was insane when Tobias was inspecting him towards the end
not that he's seeking respect from some nobody but Seiver is one of the best lol
He shit himself
To be fair, he called his hand incorrectly.
2 year old comment but still
@@GEM4sta did he ?
Dont slowplay aces!!
Kolja rationaler Pokerclub?
Aus einer GTO Perspektive sollte man Aces manchmal slowplayen.
Or just don’t total nit fold to a bluff shove 🙄
I’ve watched this hand several times now, there’s so much to take in. Even just at the end. Rankemier with the super long stare down, Daniel calling the clock, Scott with the weird post-hand angle so he gets to see the Aces and show the bluff, Rick Solomon’s disapproving face… 😂
All hilarious. One of the best poker hands in history
I've been binge-watching poker vids lately, and I definitely consider this one of my favourites now that I've watched it again. The conversation between the two of them about what they have was really interesting, as well as everything else you've mentioned :)
Solomon didn’t seem to disapproving to me, he seemed impressed in some crazy way. No?
Agree, cool hand overall.
@@JDLupus hi just wondering your other favorites? thank you
3:57 Daniel reading right through Scott’s bullshit
yeah, he knew he was bluffing!
7:21 didn't know Dr Zaius played poker
Haha brilliant
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Nearly 6 years later, still watching this sick bluff. This situation happens often when you deceive your opponent with your starting hand. It's a double edge trickery that has a very sick outcome if your opponent is willing to play large pots. You must always consider this whenever you try to pull this off.
It’s an awful fold.
@@ktwine7994 No, it wasn't "an awful fold." The all-in was incredibly polarizing. Seiver had either a huge hand (made set, two pair, the flush) or a strong draw. Calling off most of your stack with one pair is super-hard to do, even when that one pair is AA. Particularly when you have no redraw to a nutted hand. While this fold isn't some kind of great play, it's also not "awful" in any way.
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John Smith also first Amish man to split Paris Hilton in two.
omg I died
No wonder all these players have hairloss. This game would make me pull my hair out.
Brian P ya I slap myself in the face after mistakes. Bad habit
That’s not what makes you pull your hair out.
When you tank for minutes, then make the correct call with aces, just for a third ace to hit the river and make the straight.
That’s why poker fucking sucks !
@@39offsuit or a nine idiot
6:32 - Negreanu had this hand figured out a looonng time ago.
Benjamin Hakun
N: takes actual shit
Everyone: folds the hand, leave the table.
Good play.
Reinkemier did as well but wanted to lose the hand on purpose lol. Shouldn't be allowed
He took so long because he felt like it would look suspicious if he folded aces too early
@@bartholomewtheapostle8664 - No, because of his body language and the look on his face. You need to understand that everything you do at the poker table conveys information.
4:30 Siever displayed some nice table talk here
in todays game pio solver would uninstall itself from your computer if you fold AA in this spot
@@BrainstormingBetsizing ICM played a big factor. Even if it’s the “right” call, that spot could make you level yourself.
@@DT-ml3hf legit
Solomans just like wtf is this shit. He wouldn't even understand their thought processes hahaha.
Dan Bilzerian you mean
Soloman>Bilzerian
Well that comment didn’t age well
You wouldn't understand anyone's thought process either, if you got blown by ...
Great chat from Seiver - kept him alive. No issue with the fold either. Only top players can fold aces in that spot (it doesn’t matter if it’s the incorrect play here).
There’s no spot where you fold here against a short stack. It wasn’t a good play
Especially after you slow play pre and flop. Why slow play a 2 club flop and then just fold turn? Terrible way to play aces
@@mikebid87 It was fine if he thinks Seiver has him beat
Let’s be real here we’ve all been in similar situations. I’ve made that fold myself once or twice, it’s either the flush or a ridiculous bluff.. hard call ESPECIALLY with that mental warfare Scott was laying down.
Sean great point but if seiver binked the flush would he shove? The only time i shove a flush there is if i have a low flush,
@@shivasirons6159 I think you’ve the better point as you’re prob the better player lol
he even beat value bets that take this line, this is the worst fold I've seen in my life
7:21 awesome to see geico bring the caveman back
Would love to see Daniel break this hand down and analyze it. How huge would it have been for one of those aces to have been the Ace of clubs? With the aces in that position, that point of the tournament, I'm coming over the top of Seiver's C-bet just to avoid the tough decision later.
If he have had the ace of clubs he would have called
not having the ace of clubs was the deciding factor between folding and calling. When he said Seiver could have J9 or K10 and the sigh "even against those hands..." meaning he puts Seiver on J9 or K10 with one club. Those hands have a lot of outs against aces no club. It is unlikely tho because no way seiver open utg with K10 or J9 off suit. Gotta be suited.
@@HoangTruong-vk7ek it’s a terrible fold. Stop justifying it lol
@@mikebid87 It wasn't a terrible fold. The misplay was slowplaying the aces to begin with. Siever played that hand exactly like he would have if he flopped a flush draw or a K 10. On one hand he's completely crushed, on the other hand he is ahead but the other player has outs. That's what caused him to fold. From his position he's in an awful place where even if he makes the right 50/50 call, he still loses 15% of the time. It wasn't an awful fold and if Siever's hand was a flush he'd be in the category of very sick fold. He just shouldn't have slowplayed aces to begin with and take down a smaller pot, but a pot all the same.
If he had the Ac it’s the easiest call in the universe
I heard somewhere that Scott Seiver is very good at reversing verbal and physical tells, and this Reinkemeier guy seems to weight his decision on this. The 10 minute tank was probably mostly an attempt to find something physical on Seiver. Also it's funny watching Dnegs reaction as he fully understands this dynamic.
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This is just me: a) never slow play a pocket pair unless you hit the flop (AA, KK, QQ etc); and b) if you're going to make an exception to rule a NEVER slow play them out of position. This instance is an example where being out of position plus a scary turn card got Reinkemeier all twisted up. He could have taken down the $3,225,000 pot pre-flop with a 3 bet or on the flop with a big bet and moved on to the next hand. He got greedy, played to induce Seiver to put more money into the pot, and when Seiver gives him his wish he gets the other $10M in...and then regretted inducing the bet. How much more was Reinkemeier willing to call Seiver for then? $2M? $4M? If it was another $2M more its not enough to put your tournament on the line by slow playing. If it was $4M more and he loses he's crippled anyways...so what's the difference between calling another $4M off or another $10M off?
Slow playing a pocket pair is always a bad idea even if it works out on occasion.
No you should always slowplay it. People just make the mistake of not underplaying it enough. You really gotta commit to using it as a bluff catcher all the way.
6:44 When you tell a woman you love her and she says "thanks"..
Pro tip, always let the woman say "I love you" first in whatever relationship you think you have.
Also, if she was telling you she "loved you" before, and NOW she says 'thanks", then you need to reevaluate your relationship, as its probably too far gone to repair.
That comment is golden
Seiver: everyone knows your hand anyways, either KQ or AQ.
Rankemeir: I call.
But he didn’t.
I’m flying out Wednesday for the WSOP, not playing the main but playing some other good tournaments… This hand is why I don’t slow play AA ever… Know matter how good you are the monsters always come out from the closet and you think your making a good lay down but not…
I’d rather win small pots with AA then lose 75% of my stack with them slow playing them
This is exactly why I love Seiver ..... 😅
He always looks SO sick. But his talk and his attitude is SO great.... 😍
(Comfortably) "I would think less of you if you folded"
Take notes everyone. THAT'S how you bluff a pro.
06:09 the moment negs had a read on seiver
Love that the announcers just rank on Scott without hesitation lol
The funny thing is that Seiver says he would think of less of him as a man if he folds. In the end it turns out that wasn't just table talk, you can see not just in his reaction but also the way he eyeballs him after, he really did think way less of him for playing AA that way lmao. Can't blame him.
I love the shitty commentary about how c-betting is "a leak in a lot of pros game" in spots where you basically have to c-bet or your range is instantly capped
"With the club?" - will go down as one of the best lines in all of poker.
I think I see the genius in this hand now. Reinkemeier is generally a hard player to read, but a player asking for a count in this spot yet tanking is always indicative of a massive bluffcatcher that's generally too good to fold, especially if the caller were to correctly perceive the betting frequencies and betting ranges of someone like Seiver in this situation. Seiver has always been one of the most loose-aggressive postflop players ever since he first broke through into nosebleeds way back in late '07 (mostly '08). With that said, this high roller specialist plays with an almost identical amount of aggression in tourneys like this one, and any combo of Aces on this board would generally be too good to fold after Toby takes this line and under-reps his hand big-time.
However, here is where Seiver really shows how far he has come since his online days. His body language is clear to any good poker player -- he is nervous, and his range now should look like it's capped at two pair as Toby does show up with a set here a lot when he does tank and call the shove. Toby, however, has Aces, but Seiver cannot possibly focus on this because Toby looks so much like he has AQ/KQ. So he ends up conversing with Toby, trying his best not to show genuine shock when he is calmly told by Toby that his adversary is sitting on Aces. I think Seiver blunders when he asks if his opponent has the club, as in conjunction with his obvious nervousness, his hand now looks an AWFUL lot like KcTx, QcJx, and maybe the other two Aces. Seiver cannot possibly believe he has acted calmly enough at any point after his shove to rep a made flush, but he ends up repping these three hands instead, which are all still in either okay or great shape anyways. Whether Toby actually picked up on this, it's well over $1 million in equity in the pot at this point -- probably around 3 or 4 if you ask me -- and there's always the slight possibility that Seiver is actually trapping by using his smooth talk and cunning, in which case Toby is drawing dead. Narrowing his range based on objective interpretations of his tells would likely lead Reinkemeier to at least a similar conclusion.
In spite of Seiver's nervousness, he manages to psychologically conquer the best German tournament in history in spite of his opponent's very calm demeanor throughout the entire hand. Every action he made was a grind towards inducing a fold that very likely would not have happened, for he knows just how competent his opponent was. Thus, he knew just how he had to behave, knowing his nerves in spots like these and what he's done in the past to get by when he feels that way. Poker at its best. This bluff is underrated.
i dont like ur analysis. him saying with the club is smart af because it implies he has seiver has made the flush already, and he's wondering if he's still drawing live.
brendon kennedy Agreed. The real spectacle here is not Siever’s shove, but the German guy’s horrible slow play into a board that makes way too many hands that could beat him.
What a shitty comment that was. No offence.
Troy M body language analyzers are the worst. Obnoxious comment
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Amazing dialogue in this hand. It’s as if Tarantino directed this hand!!! Lol...
What he said was spot on. Even against k 10 or 9 10 with a club. Guy would still have 17 outs (15 with 2 aces out ). And that's IF he isnt already against a flush or trips or 2 pair.
There's no way Seiver opens 9To from the hijack six-handed. I don't think he'd open KTo either, although I'm not a tournament player and the tournament situation changes things some. KTs is probably very near the bottom of his opening range.
So the only semi-bluffs he can have are flush draws and straight draws, both of which are in terrible shape vs AA. Maaaaaaybe some pair+flush draws, although I think those would mostly just check behind.
17 outs? Wouldn't it be 15 for the 9 10 and 13 for the K 10 ??
@@gronslen no. 15 with k 10 which is what I said coz 2 aces are out. And 17 with 9 10. 4kings 4 8s and 9 clubs
@@danielali6571I think you are double counting. One king and one 8 are clubs. So that leaves 7 for the flush, not 9.
@@gronslen yeh think your right, good point.
Reinkemeier did a great job under-repping his hand but just leveled himself to the hilt while giving Sevier credit for a small flush or even 2 pair. He really had little equity to improve so thats why he folded. I see that A-A or K--K fold many times watching High Stakes poker or High Roller tourneys.
You sound like a pro poker pla...... watcher.
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I cant see him having two pair their..
Your against a flush, flush draw, or bluff. Flush draw or pair....u def shouldn't fold there. So only one decision. Does he have the nuts or doesnt? Your only decision omo
Plus when do you see pros folding that? I see them doing it in cash games, where everyone is really deep stacked, and opponent is BB, SB, or BTN, playing a K-9 suited or any suited hands. So def possible small flush hit their against your AA
Opponent short stacked, your above, have AA, in tournament play? Knowing he doesnt (or unlikely) 2 pair, and ONLY possible hands beating you is the nuts, flush draw, or gets the 10 or Q set on river.
U slow played and got what u wanted, all in. Go with the plan and make the call.
And than if your folding....ur folding cause of a very specific player...a player that is very very tight/conservative so I can see making a hero fold with the right player too.....but siever, short stacked, I would assume the all in is a top pair bluff or flush draw....i would automatically assume i got 70-75% equity to 90% equity (if u think his only chance of winning is getting a set)
7:20 this homeless guy making it to the final table is a true Christmas story come true
homeless guy playing buy in tournament for one million dollars xD you are funny xD
I watch this in 2023 and I still can’t breath while the clock is ticking
Insane bluff
Siever was a very smooth talker wow
He fell apart partway through, im not sure but I think he lost some bloodflow to his face partway through the other guys observations.
slow play aces , you deserve it
I have to disagree with your comment. Siever told Reinkemeier he is not holding the Ace of clubs by trying to figure out if Reinkemeier's aces included the ace of clubs. If a player is knowingly jamming all in without the nuts says a lot. Given the action and failure at keeping his possible hand combinations hidden, Reinkemeier made a bad fold.
He almost messed up with all that talking. Thank God reikrnmeier didn't understand shit
@@ilove9489 seiver has to have the nuts there to jam? bahaaahahaahhaahhahahaha
3:49 “with the club?” was probably the worst thing for Scott to say here. Very lucky he didn’t get called lol
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05:05
The look at Seiver's face gave away the most obvious tell I have ever seen. When Reinkemeier called out one of his possible hands, K/10, Seiver's face changed. If I had the Aces and correctly called someones hand, and they give a tell like Seiver did, I'd snap call.
But that's just me.
and you'd probably lose many many bucks, since at the level they're playing, it's most likely a bluff "tell" to induce a call.
Terrible attitude from seiver after the laydown
Not really special...
No actually. He said theres no way you fold AA because had he put him on AA he wouldnt pull that bluff as he knows its too risky. You could see his hands were shaking at the end. And i think he knows it too that he was a bit lucky that the villain is a bit soft on the call button. Great bluff in this case since it pulled through, although idt its gto long term. Okay fold cos i hv to think the 1 million buy in really affects your decision.
박지훈 저거 AA 가 끝까지 가야되는거 아님?
Rick Solomon looks like he straight out of a cartoon. Makes me laugh everytime I see this video.
I dont think its hard of a lay down. Just give Seiver props for the massive bet. AA is just a pair. Yes, top pair but only a pair. Cannot fall in love with that hand. Either bet heavy and strong fast or fold when facing a massive bet.
You’re wrong on many reasons.
1) he slow played pre and flop and got exactly what he wanted on the turn
2) it wasn’t a massive bet. Scott was the short stack at the table
3) more than likely Scott has a drawing hand or AQ. You’re hardly behind on this board
LOL even Seiver himself didn’t believe the guy could have folded aces since that’s such a terrible fold.
When you slow play your aces like that you can’t just lay them down.
I didn’t understand why this was such a horrible fold til I realized the pre flop action and the perceived ranges when he flats in the BB.
Seemed like he folded because scott was saying exactly what he could be saying if he had the hand.. I would think less of u if u folded speech was pretty sick to get him to be convined he had aa beat.
Seiver could easily have aq or kq with a club drawing though. Plus would he really do an all in with a made flush on turn..
I dunno seems like u have to call spot so I guess he folded for Scott acting like he had him.
You would shove a smaller flush to try and fold out a pair with the ace of clubs cause you don't want to see a fourth club. If I didn't see the cards I would have put him on pair with ace of clubs or q to ten high flush. Of course I would have been wrong. That was a risky shove. He did it because of the slow play made it look weak. When you slow play and they shove sometimes you just have to call because you were way under representing your hand
I didn’t know Bubba from Forest Gump played poker!😂😂😂
Seiver has to play in Awakenings 2 movie
I was thinking of a remake of Full Metal Jacket. Seiver plays Private Pile.
Jedediah at 7:20 killed me hahahahahahahahahaha
If he'd been on the clock from the start i doubt he'd have folded them. It's unlikely Siever shoves the made flush there, possibly the draw. U have him covered. Don't over think it.
Also, if u don't like tough decisions don't slow play aces on 3 streets 😂
Ikr easy peasy. What year did you win the One Drop?
He shoves a made baby flush for sure. He also shoves QJ or a set. And he might shove a QcXc as well (although he gets a free river I'd think he should check that). Slow playing AA, especially out of position, when you don't improve on the flop is a mistake. Seeing the turn is always a massive liability for that hand unless you smashed it.
Possibly some of the worst played pocket aces ever.
At least at the turn I would have raised....
I love the look on Daniel's face at 3:59, he probably knew exactly what cards he was holding, and in what suit!
Daniel Treadwell so how’d he make so much money than? Numbers don’t lie
This hand never gets old. Tobias has the unsettlingly calm composure of a great movie villain. I wonder what Dan was thinking during that hand and what his reason was for calling the clock. Tobias knew that Scott didn’t have the Aclub because he asked if he had it. I’m still baffled that he didn’t call that after all that. Would have been great to see the river.
They edit the video. The commentators say he was tanking 10 min.
Just because Seiver asked Tobias if he had Ac doesn’t mean that Seiver couldn’t have it
Try this in your daily 11$ MTT and you get the slowroll call because he runs around giving out high fives fist bumping everyone :-D
what?
He may have played the hand the worst in history but I don't think it's the worst fold. Seivers range is so wide he could easily have a flush in that spot which would have the aces drawing dead. Rule of thumb, you don't wanna go broke holding one pair. Great play by Scott
Seivers poker face looks like he’s trying to bend a spoon with his mind
You beauty of a comment
Were can i see the full vod of this final table?
I'd like a chance to play against some of the pros. How can I buy in at one of thier tables?
1 million pound...
when you have aces and the board comes with 2 suited cards, it's time to stop slow playing. you have to raise so that players have to pay good money to see that 3rd club.
Agreed
Never slow play the AA. NEVER.
After 10 years playing poker , I am happy to win small with a aces rather than lose big .
There are times it's profitable. Of course if You are a good player and know when to fold them sometimes
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When I get AA I always get a shit flop showing pairs or flush territory 😂
If There's ONE thing i've learned in poker. NEVER SLOW PLAY ACES. Hardly ever turns out good. Either win preflop, or win on the flop.
Not the worst fold ever, but a pretty epic one for sure. Seiver knew tobias was playing yo ladder which he admitted in the interviews before the FT
Impressive how Scott acted so confident and casually under the risk of being eliminated. His act won him this pot
I think a line that saved him was when he said "you have the ace clubs?"- I think in his opponents head, that just made it look like Siever has the king high flush, or 2 pair
I think he looked really nervous. His lips were quivering as he was talking, at 3:43 as he says "oooh" his eyelids were shakey. At 4:16 his lips were dry and open (mouth breathing). All signs of nerves
@@marcusgrantham7753 ya man, its nice to be a detective when you watch this at home and can zoom/replay every frame of video. Or quickly check result
@@mindw0rking Not really, I thought he looked nervous as I was watching it, and just went back through the video to find out why I thought it. It's not super human to pick up when someone looks nervous
I thought the oppositte if anything his table talk is impressive. Also siever in particular is known for giving reverse tell
The fold wasn't the problem
The way he played before the fold was the problem. It was like he was playing to not lose the hand as opposed to winning the hand
Lol why was he angry 😂😂😂
he felt extremely lucky he wasn't called, he wasn't expecting to make AA fold with his bluff and felt it was a poor play (but only got lucky to get through)
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daily motion
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Christopher Wilson idiot :D
Note to self. When Seiver starts uncontrollably talking and then goes stone cold when you tell him his hand he is bluffing.
PedalTheGlobe agree since i did same thing as Seiver when i bluffed.
@@peiyongchen9815 For being a top pro I was surprised how easy of a tell he has. I think that was primarily why the guy was confused. Likely thought it was an act.
I dont think so he was talking like he had it and figured what he had said had convinced his opponent that he was very strong so now to keep talk would be a bad idea so he said let me shut up was icing on the cake to me
@@thatguyhub2135 Thank god you're a professional poker player, not some random ass nobody commenting on TH-cam thinking of being in the same level as these players! :)
it's not a dumb fold, it's dumb that he chose to slowplay aces like that. should have check raised the flop imo
Agreed. I don’t mind calling pre-flop but the flop has to be a check raise all-in
If it wouldnt have been for Negreanu, pretty sure he would have called.
The moment seiver asks if he have ace of clubs that was an instant call.
Scott talked him into folding that hand. He did it beautifully
6:08 "clock!" - Negreanu be like: "Yo, I gotta life to live..."
If you are going to induce a bluff you must call. If you don't have the stones to call later in the hand, raise it big early.
No. Just no.
There was a flush right there, against one pair? Good fold.
Team play, obv he can't folded aces with his line
Scott Seiver has ice in his veins. One of the most interesting hands I've ever seen.
This is one of the best hands I’ve seen
Rick Salomon shaking his head thinking he would have snapped Seiver off in a second 😂
at 3:37 Scott had a big leak IMO, but Tobias didn't notice it. IF Sevier thinks Tobias got KQ or AQ, then what he wanna say? He wanna ensure Tobias that he(Scott) got KK or AA and single Q is bad. Cuz if he has QQ its small chance Tobias got a Q as well. Then what else beats Tobias AA? AK of clubs, would really Scott got that lucky and full pot jam the turn with stone cold nuts??? or JJ and got so lucky on turn (and not afraid of QQ or flush in this case to jam as well).... if Tobias thought more about that sentence, he might call I guess
IMO, Tobias absolutely notices that and probably was a big reason to end up folding. Scott geniunely puts him on AK or KQ, so it's far less likely that Scott himself has the same hand (which Tobias obviously would want to). Tobias himself actually points that out not only once but twice during the video. So he puts Scott into other value hands that have AA destroyed (JJ and flushes) And yes, Scott would shove flushes on that turn, maybe even all of them except AQ/KQ (which, again, Tobias doesn't expect him to have). If he has AK clubs, he probably shoves as well. Checking would be weird cause Tobias is almost never leading the river on that spot.
Scott then of course also have bluffs there which Tobias also points out (and actually have) but ultimately I think Tobias doesn't think that Scott plays too many of those that way. It's not even sure Scott opens 910s with 16 bbs with other players there also short, and even if he does, maybe doesn't c-bet with no overs and draws. Maybe he only asignes Scott the 3 K10s and 910 spades at the most.
That been said, I still think AA is a call there, specially when you take into account others possible hands for Scott, mainly KK.
But you have to take into account the situation. There's major payouts on top, there's still weak players on the table (Newey even really short) and anyone's game and that point. Tobias knows if he folds he still has 18 bbs and in contention (i don't know the stack sizes but Negreanu seems to be chip leader with around 50bbs?). If he calls and is wrong (and all the hands Scott has for value have him drawing dead or almost) he is 95% going out on 7th
He talked through the hand literally perfectly and then didn’t believe himself
Seiver one of the best table talkers
A real annoying psychopath u mean?
I slow play As and Ks in cash games with 200-300 BB. But for tournaments, late in the game, I would not slow play them. Just taking down blinds and antes is not bad when you only have 20-40 BB behind.
Scott pretty much shut up after accusing him of not having aces...lol
lol I like how he talked him into folding