Yeah no, they aren't releasing new APUs and components for this kind of stuff every day, he just picks and chooses what he likes and makes a video about it. If the build in this video is the fastest then it means previous videos that are one to two weeks old titled the same way are quite literal lies because the components have been available for a bit.
Fastest *AMD APU Mini PC* he's ever built. Not fastest ever. You guys are getting boring. But engagement boosts views, so... well... knock yourselves out.
I am very impressed that this mini APU PC was able to boot with 8000MT/s RAM installed because faster ram makes rigs throw a bit of a fit. Some post and boot up into Windows but its unstable and others boot into Windows and it is Stable and and after enabling the 8000MT/s on the RAM the PC doesn't post at all or it is unstable after booting into Windows.
@@jordanmntungwa3311 True maybe they have a different kind of memory controller vs the non G CPUs since they take advantage of faster RAM and it was 2 sticks of RAM that Eta had installed not 4 which also plays a part in stability.
you can increase the vram allocated to the iGPU in AMD's adrenaline software, I have a laptop with a 7940HS and while I was planning my new room setup I was planning on running a 4k monitor off of my iGPU (to leave my dedicated gpu for my gaming monitor) so I upgraded my ram from 16 to 48GB to allocate anywhere from 4 to 8gb to vram for my iGPU and it didnt do it automatically. I looked around in AMD's adrenaline software and found that if you go to the "performance" tab, and then the subtab of "tuning" there is an option called "memory optimizer" when I changed this setting I went from the 448MB of dedicated GPU memory to 4GB of dedicated GPU memory for the iGPU when i had the 48GB installed. When I had the 16GB installed it allocated 2GB to VRAM so ig it automatically decides what to allocate, but hey its better than 448MB.
I'm still amazed when I see an APU doing this my first pc had an a8 6600k with a HD6450 IGPU and even new it struggled with anything newer than half life 2 I stuck a dedicated hd 6450 in and forced crossfire just so I could play stuff like 7d2d with my brother
Exactly that. It's upsetting that these are being marketed like some new thing when it's 1.5x the price of buying a beelink ser7 for ~5% the performance differential
If you mess with the ram timings, u can squeeze another 20-30% more fps out of the iGpu. 8000mhz + ram timing tweaks = godlike performance for radeon780m. Something only the desktop variant can achieve. 7840hs is for too restricted.
@sc9433 where are you getting 8000 mhz ram that will last at that speed? And what motherboard is supporting it for a reasonable price? The answer is you are not. You might as well buy literally any modern GPU at that point.
@@MrFrankieMatarrese i dont like the price either but its wildly more reliable, can be pushed harder, cooled more effectively, basicaly better in every way but size
@@ihabhachamy1446 Eta was playing 1080p with fsr set to performance it means it is 540p actually. And FSR doesn't scale well with low resolution, it is fine with 4k quality, which is 1440p. How can it be? For real usage it is so bad I wouldn't even reccommend to my enemy. For youtube, it is a fun content to watch.
they wont, i guess the 8000G APU is the last apu amd will release or the next gen just rebranding the APU like previous version. AMD now focus on maximize their profit on enterprise market. soon they will give up on diy market.
@@stevenknight95umm no, amd has an apu road map till end of 2025. From strix point(mid 2024-end) expectimg based on the internal memo leakes, is zen 5 and rdn 3.5 up to 16 CUs then in 2025 expecting strix halo, that was leaked to have up to 40 CUs. With rda 3.5 or 4 its unknown. But amd will never give up its APU game, they doo too much development for big companies that they can just trickle it down to consumer PC's. Also its Amds only way to compete with Nvidia, by cutting of Nvidias legs. Why do we need an rtx 3050, if amds apu is a little more expensive but you got it built in to the cpu. The current 780m in the 8700g is on par with 3050 mobile, yet the whole cpu package uses 65w when just the 3050 uses as much power
A cheaper and less powerfull CPU with a cheap dedicated GPU will give you better gaming performance than this 8700G with a very fast and expensive RAM for the same price. Of course, it will need a bigger case. Though, this APU is quite impressive.
Yeah, I really fell in love with the idea of an SFF build using one of these APUs back when he did the 5700G in a Chopin case, but the more I looked at it and compared it against even things like the low profile rx6400 build, there's just no comparison. Twice the performance for a fraction of the cost. I'm certain these APUs have a use case and I'm still very happy they exist, but I don't think "small gaming PC" is it any longer.
Or any 780m mini pc which would be smaller and 90+% the performance of this. Why it impressive when we have seen so many 780m results already. The Desktop APU is only slightly better at stock and you have to use some seriously overpriced RAM to get any significant benefit over mini pc perf.
It doesn't make it smaller. You could tow a battery for an EV instead of directly installing it into the frame. Does it make the car smaller and lighter?
Fabio Fabrisco has a video on ddr5 tuning for the am5 specifically for IGPUs that I think you should watch. Ddr5 6400 tuned is faster than 8000mt without tuning usually.
Yeah, I noticed right away that was the only item he DIDN'T list in the hardware links... NE seems to have it for 140USD though. So not that bad. Free shipping from the United States as well. (I guess they're covering the VAT and customs. Not gonna complain.)
IMO they already are there, the fact that you can get these games to comfortable framerates on low settings without a GPU is already super impressive, and they're only gonna get better
Just finished a similar build in a 2.1L (LLW V21pro ) case. Pico PSU with LOF225-20B12 AC-DC unit for brickless power. 8600G, 6000mhz CL30 DDR5, Gigabyte A620 ITX, Thermalright AXP90 X36 cooler, Sk hynix 1tb m.2. Gonna wait for a used 8700G to come around and for high speed ram to get cheaper. Haven't had any problems, one of my favorite tiny builds.
how is the temp of the cpu in idle and full load? i have a v21pro lying around and planning to put 8600g or 8700g on it but im a bit hesistant because of temps. I was planning on selling it and settle to at least a v26pro (wanted to keep the size as small as possible) if the temps is going to be an issue. thanks
@@midsbv8960 I just installed a trio of 5010 exhaust fans because I had them on hand, almost ready to do some stress testing as I have only just gotten the parts together and OS installed. if you can remind me by replying to this comment in a week or so I should have some data to share
@@Stifle9 oh no worries im still not yet close in buying the parts, so im not really in a hurry. i also have 3 5010 fans so im curious on what temps you will get. anyway ill probablly just comment you here in a week or two if its ok. thanks in advance!
Great video! As a DIY newbie I'm interested in comparing the cost-effectiveness of SFF iGPU builds like these with the plethora of mini pcs we have now, i.e. upgradeability of DIY vs buying multiple mini pcs over the next decade say.
This is where the handhelds like the Ally and Legion GO shine. You can't build an equivalent system (in terms of performance and form factor) for less.
@@stephenxs8354 Ally and LeGO use Z1 Extreme APUs. There's no point in building a mini desktop for this price otherwise - just get a gaming laptop if you want small form factor ...you're still gonna need a keyboard and mouse and screen anyways...
This is awesome! I’ve been looking for a mini build small enough to travel easily with that can still play some less intensive games like CS2. This would be perfect! A GPU would make it just slightly too big
A PC build I'd like to build is a Borg Cube, prob 8" or 200mm cubed, the metal sheilding would have vent holes in very random patterns with green led lighting
Do you no longer do emulation? I have noticed (could just be me) that you haven't done emulation in a while when you showcase some of these new builds. I am a huge fan of emulation and love to see the demos.
@@yanushkowalsky1402custom_mod SL3. $160 with riser included, 3 Liters, and you can get it in any color you want. Lazer3D HT5. As big as this case, and more readily available.
With AM4 and most games, lower latency ram (CL14 with 2666mhz) delivers the same performance as CL16 3600mhz ram. It would be interesting to see how the iGPu performs if you tighten the timings of it's Ddr5 :)
and yet, if devs actually managed to code sampler feedback streaming and the full mesh shading pipeline , the performance would be way higher , optimization
Good devs also make full use of occlusion & scene culling- so if from the player's viewpoint, you can't see the backside of a building, terrain, tree, etc, it doesn't waste time rendering it in the pipe & if it's needed again, most of the textures are already buffered in ram from rendering the front & one side of the object. Nanite is also a great help with making iterative objects (like trees, stationary landscapes) while keeping the CPU/GPU load much lower than it would be conventionally.
Came here to say this. I had one fry in a week. Never again! You can get a seasonic 300 watt flex atx psu for 92 bucks and is quality. My current ryzen 8700G has a seasonic flex psu in it. Have seen 204 watts at max load in a stress test.
@@ricky1000 This is true and every company has poor performing PSUs even my personal favorite Corsair. I don't think this Apevia one is bad for this build because total system will be like 200w at peak, if that.
Really hope we can achieve GPU-less VR at some point. Even if its just to build a PC meant to run Beat Saber, it would be amazing to play VR titles with such a small PC.
nice, i play the forbidden west as well I run it at 60 fps vsync 4k, no upscaling at max settings, looks sweet on my 4080 and 7800x3d, 32gb ram combo. The mini itx boards are not cheap at all, i got the b650i edge wifi and it was $$$.
Awesome little build! Crazy performance with an apu! I'm curious to see what the difference would be if you used 4800 MT/s RAM. I haven't seen many videos compare the lowest vs highest ddr5 with APU's. Also slight correction, Helldivers 2 does not have FSR. It uses it's own render scaling that is terrible compared to fsr or dlss
I wished that you test those games with higher settings and lower resolutions meaning better quality settings because some of those games didn't look like what the game graphics should be like Cyberpunk77.
5:25 - Yeah, I'm used to seeing those ugly "ketchup and mustard" cables when using FSP and other Flex psus. 8:30 - Oh snap 4,125?! Didn't think it'd surpass 3,400.
As always, nice video! I would love to see this thing run Chimera OS. Based on your videos, I bought an Optiplex 5060 mini tower with a Core i5 8500 and 8GB of RAM. I chucked the HDD, installed an M.2 SSD, 16 GB of RAM, and an RX6600. Running Chimera OS, it runs everything well including Ratchet and Clank Future. All for around $460. Thanks Eta Prime!
This build is right around $800. For that price you can go for much more affordable RAM and CPU. Then put that towards a $300 GPU. This really isn't impressive for how expensive it is. A great tech demo of how much the 780m can be with faster RAM and a more powerful CPU behind it. But no one should be trying to mimic this.
What you can also do to make the most out of these iGPUs is (assuming you have 32GB of Ram) put the settings to the lowest (or maybe just use antialiasing and 16x AF) and then use ultra textures since technically you have 16GB of Vram. The games will look way better.... I'm not sure if there is a performnce pentalty for doing this on an igpu, but i dont think its significant.
Do you think the apu would benefit from having 4x sticks of ram, much like a ton of the cpus on am4? I know a ton of 7000 cpus are/were having problems with four sticks.
Not with the current ddr5 ram cause motherboards and the memory controllers on the CPUs are geared to do it. High end AM5 motherboards might have the trace paths for it though and you could get a stronger imc on your chip but there are no guarantees
I'm curious how this would be overclocked. I feel like the CPU could definitely take advantage of the faster ram with the faster chip when overclocked. Like I bet 3200 to 3300mhz on the APU would benefit big from from the faster ram.
8000 MHz doesn't mean 8000 Mtransfer/second (the transfers depend upon Bank cycle time simplyfing by the tRAS,) , but for the rest great review. I love your channel :)
The bottleneck price wise is the ram. No one wants to spend $200 on a kit of ddr5. ddr speeds start to have a diminishing return with cpu performance. Literally the only decent use case is this right here. BUT it drives the price of the build up too high. You could build a ninja 1440p rig for this amount, given it would be MUCH larger.
The rationale for these SFF APU build is completely destroyed by handheld like Steamdeck, ROG Ally, Legion Go. Used Steamdeck can be had for way less for the same-tier performance at better form factor and portability.
I remember when this channel was all about cool budget builds and emulation. Now it's all undisclosed affiliate links and even more undisclosed paid promotions. It really is a shame we lost J to greed.
We're not there yet. It's the same ugly graphics for 2024. That gpu was good for a handheld. But for something like 1080p and mostly on low, it's really a hard sell. I'd rather put a discreet GPU in there. Maybe in a few more generations...
Since your APU has limited performance, but access to as much memory as you allocate, can't you turn textures all the way up to max even if your other settings are low?
So many devices that are the fastest ever!
“THE FASTEST MINI PC YET!”
Tech improves everyday, life is good.
Yeah no, they aren't releasing new APUs and components for this kind of stuff every day, he just picks and chooses what he likes and makes a video about it.
If the build in this video is the fastest then it means previous videos that are one to two weeks old titled the same way are quite literal lies because the components have been available for a bit.
Yall get so mad about his titles its hilarious!
Fastest *AMD APU Mini PC* he's ever built. Not fastest ever.
You guys are getting boring. But engagement boosts views, so... well... knock yourselves out.
Fastest ever literally every mini pc TH-cam builder
LITERALLY!!! not Figuratively, but actually LITERALLY?
@@jfespinoza02 as usual after all the glowing nice words ill went home still using pocket money to buy things
I am very impressed that this mini APU PC was able to boot with 8000MT/s RAM installed because faster ram makes rigs throw a bit of a fit. Some post and boot up into Windows but its unstable and others boot into Windows and it is Stable and and after enabling the 8000MT/s on the RAM the PC doesn't post at all or it is unstable after booting into Windows.
APUs benefit from faster RAM
@@jordanmntungwa3311 True maybe they have a different kind of memory controller vs the non G CPUs since they take advantage of faster RAM and it was 2 sticks of RAM that Eta had installed not 4 which also plays a part in stability.
We need to put you in a SkyReach 4 TINY case. You'll love it!
The RAM is over $300!!
so about what ddr 4 was when it was just 12 months old,
i got my 32 gb kit of vengeance rgb for 60 bucks, insane difference
@@Boba_Fett1980 that's a now price I'm talking about launch pricing, which held for over 22 months
@@ram64man i think he is agreeing with you
i read that like vegeta shouting for the numbers
you can increase the vram allocated to the iGPU in AMD's adrenaline software, I have a laptop with a 7940HS and while I was planning my new room setup I was planning on running a 4k monitor off of my iGPU (to leave my dedicated gpu for my gaming monitor) so I upgraded my ram from 16 to 48GB to allocate anywhere from 4 to 8gb to vram for my iGPU and it didnt do it automatically. I looked around in AMD's adrenaline software and found that if you go to the "performance" tab, and then the subtab of "tuning" there is an option called "memory optimizer" when I changed this setting I went from the 448MB of dedicated GPU memory to 4GB of dedicated GPU memory for the iGPU when i had the 48GB installed. When I had the 16GB installed it allocated 2GB to VRAM so ig it automatically decides what to allocate, but hey its better than 448MB.
I'm still amazed when I see an APU doing this my first pc had an a8 6600k with a HD6450 IGPU and even new it struggled with anything newer than half life 2 I stuck a dedicated hd 6450 in and forced crossfire just so I could play stuff like 7d2d with my brother
So this is kinda like a 7940HS on desktop wattage and given super fast memory. Nice.
Exactly that. It's upsetting that these are being marketed like some new thing when it's 1.5x the price of buying a beelink ser7 for ~5% the performance differential
If you mess with the ram timings, u can squeeze another 20-30% more fps out of the iGpu.
8000mhz + ram timing tweaks = godlike performance for radeon780m. Something only the desktop variant can achieve.
7840hs is for too restricted.
@sc9433 where are you getting 8000 mhz ram that will last at that speed? And what motherboard is supporting it for a reasonable price? The answer is you are not. You might as well buy literally any modern GPU at that point.
8000Mhz RAM is like 2x the price of 6400Mhz for the same capacity...
You can squeeze in a dGPU if you go with 6000Mhz and a AM5 CPU.
@@MrFrankieMatarrese i dont like the price either but its wildly more reliable, can be pushed harder, cooled more effectively, basicaly better in every way but size
Just bought all the rig today . I"m anxious to receive in two days . I will let you to know the results soon . Thank you
How is it?
@@ihabhachamy1446 Eta was playing 1080p with fsr set to performance it means it is 540p actually. And FSR doesn't scale well with low resolution, it is fine with 4k quality, which is 1440p.
How can it be? For real usage it is so bad I wouldn't even reccommend to my enemy.
For youtube, it is a fun content to watch.
AMD needs to release the Ryzen 7 8700G X3D. Can you imagine an APU with 3D cache
they wont, i guess the 8000G APU is the last apu amd will release or the next gen just rebranding the APU like previous version. AMD now focus on maximize their profit on enterprise market. soon they will give up on diy market.
What the hell are you talking about? 😂
@@stevenknight95 and how did you come up with this assumption?
@@stevenknight95umm no, amd has an apu road map till end of 2025.
From strix point(mid 2024-end) expectimg based on the internal memo leakes, is zen 5 and rdn 3.5 up to 16 CUs then in 2025 expecting strix halo, that was leaked to have up to 40 CUs. With rda 3.5 or 4 its unknown.
But amd will never give up its APU game, they doo too much development for big companies that they can just trickle it down to consumer PC's. Also its Amds only way to compete with Nvidia, by cutting of Nvidias legs. Why do we need an rtx 3050, if amds apu is a little more expensive but you got it built in to the cpu. The current 780m in the 8700g is on par with 3050 mobile, yet the whole cpu package uses 65w when just the 3050 uses as much power
@@stevenknight95that sounds like something intel or nvidia would do, not AMD
A cheaper and less powerfull CPU with a cheap dedicated GPU will give you better gaming performance than this 8700G with a very fast and expensive RAM for the same price. Of course, it will need a bigger case. Though, this APU is quite impressive.
Yeah, I really fell in love with the idea of an SFF build using one of these APUs back when he did the 5700G in a Chopin case, but the more I looked at it and compared it against even things like the low profile rx6400 build, there's just no comparison. Twice the performance for a fraction of the cost. I'm certain these APUs have a use case and I'm still very happy they exist, but I don't think "small gaming PC" is it any longer.
12400f and an intel Galaxy a380 6gb is around £220 combined. Insane value for light gaming
facts. just add a cheap a580 or something price similar
Or any 780m mini pc which would be smaller and 90+% the performance of this. Why it impressive when we have seen so many 780m results already. The Desktop APU is only slightly better at stock and you have to use some seriously overpriced RAM to get any significant benefit over mini pc perf.
@@n0h4ndl3 Can't wait for anyone to show me a reasonable use case for the 8xxx desktop apus at current pricing.
You could make it even smaller - just use a PicoPSU and poof - case will be in size of just mITX motherboard
It doesn't make it smaller. You could tow a battery for an EV instead of directly installing it into the frame. Does it make the car smaller and lighter?
Fabio Fabrisco has a video on ddr5 tuning for the am5 specifically for IGPUs that I think you should watch.
Ddr5 6400 tuned is faster than 8000mt without tuning usually.
I was just about to ask about this cause 6400 is the max for 1:1 gear ratio. At worst the tuned 6400 would have improved 1% lows and faster latency.
That's great you can get the board for 130, where I live this costs about 193 in USD.
Yeah, I noticed right away that was the only item he DIDN'T list in the hardware links... NE seems to have it for 140USD though. So not that bad. Free shipping from the United States as well. (I guess they're covering the VAT and customs. Not gonna complain.)
I'm missing in the Final Thoughts, the graphic with max watt, temps and noise.
APU's are so close to being there
This is already a year old tech.
@@stephenxs8354 nah its an almost 30 year old tech, it started with intel's i740 based motherboard iGPU in the late 90s
IMO they already are there, the fact that you can get these games to comfortable framerates on low settings without a GPU is already super impressive, and they're only gonna get better
Still think a Xbox series s is better value lol much better
@@gogogagagugu2134 we already could do that back when ryzen 2200G was launched for $100. APUs are just getting more expensive nowadays.
Just finished a similar build in a 2.1L (LLW V21pro ) case. Pico PSU with LOF225-20B12 AC-DC unit for brickless power.
8600G, 6000mhz CL30 DDR5, Gigabyte A620 ITX, Thermalright AXP90 X36 cooler, Sk hynix 1tb m.2.
Gonna wait for a used 8700G to come around and for high speed ram to get cheaper. Haven't had any problems, one of my favorite tiny builds.
how is the temp of the cpu in idle and full load? i have a v21pro lying around and planning to put 8600g or 8700g on it but im a bit hesistant because of temps. I was planning on selling it and settle to at least a v26pro (wanted to keep the size as small as possible) if the temps is going to be an issue. thanks
@@midsbv8960 I just installed a trio of 5010 exhaust fans because I had them on hand, almost ready to do some stress testing as I have only just gotten the parts together and OS installed.
if you can remind me by replying to this comment in a week or so I should have some data to share
@@midsbv8960 I have a V21pro, V26 pro(not used) and a V36pro that I have as my daily. They are great little cases
@@Stifle9 oh no worries im still not yet close in buying the parts, so im not really in a hurry. i also have 3 5010 fans so im curious on what temps you will get. anyway ill probablly just comment you here in a week or two if its ok. thanks in advance!
@@Stifle9 hi! just wondering if theres any update on this? thanks!
Great video! As a DIY newbie I'm interested in comparing the cost-effectiveness of SFF iGPU builds like these with the plethora of mini pcs we have now, i.e. upgradeability of DIY vs buying multiple mini pcs over the next decade say.
its always been good choice for mass buying/usage, such as offices, schools, game center etc since like amd fx apus liano
now its also great for aestethic build for those only watch videos or listen to music, or just want a nice looking pc set, whats best still can game
I figured that RAM would be expensive,but 300 bucks? Wow!
This is where the handhelds like the Ally and Legion GO shine. You can't build an equivalent system (in terms of performance and form factor) for less.
How does handhelds even come into discussion about a desktop.
@@stephenxs8354 Ally and LeGO use Z1 Extreme APUs. There's no point in building a mini desktop for this price otherwise - just get a gaming laptop if you want small form factor ...you're still gonna need a keyboard and mouse and screen anyways...
@@stephenxs8354They don’t. People see to forget that PCs are used for more than games. More people use them for production tasks than gaming.
This is awesome! I’ve been looking for a mini build small enough to travel easily with that can still play some less intensive games like CS2. This would be perfect! A GPU would make it just slightly too big
I’m going to buy the same RAM as my full size build, so if it’s not enough for this build, I can still use it to double the ram on my desktop
I love small computers!
In fact, most of my computers are small to tiny.
Only two are biggy: a TrueNAS server and a gaming build.
Minisforum hx100G
It has 6650 as gpu
This is genuinely the fastest APU out there so the title is fine.
A PC build I'd like to build is a Borg Cube, prob 8" or 200mm cubed, the metal sheilding would have vent holes in very random patterns with green led lighting
It would be nice if you put the weight of the setups in your next videos especially for those small sized setups.
Big ups for testing Helldivers 2
Do you no longer do emulation? I have noticed (could just be me) that you haven't done emulation in a while when you showcase some of these new builds. I am a huge fan of emulation and love to see the demos.
Might as well use a HDPlex PSU and a 4060 Low Profile in a different case of the same volume
Which case
@@yanushkowalsky1402custom_mod SL3. $160 with riser included, 3 Liters, and you can get it in any color you want.
Lazer3D HT5. As big as this case, and more readily available.
i like it, but ill continue to wait. thanks
With AM4 and most games, lower latency ram (CL14 with 2666mhz) delivers the same performance as CL16 3600mhz ram. It would be interesting to see how the iGPu performs if you tighten the timings of it's Ddr5 :)
Better than my GTX 1070.
Perhaps it's time to go APU.
If your spending so much for ITX then why go APU when discrete is cheaper and faster.
and yet, if devs actually managed to code sampler feedback streaming and the full mesh shading pipeline , the performance would be way higher , optimization
Good devs also make full use of occlusion & scene culling- so if from the player's viewpoint, you can't see the backside of a building, terrain, tree, etc, it doesn't waste time rendering it in the pipe & if it's needed again, most of the textures are already buffered in ram from rendering the front & one side of the object. Nanite is also a great help with making iterative objects (like trees, stationary landscapes) while keeping the CPU/GPU load much lower than it would be conventionally.
an apevia power supply......really? Those are known to blow and take the whole pc with them. You should never consider a psu made by this brand.
Came here to say this. I had one fry in a week. Never again! You can get a seasonic 300 watt flex atx psu for 92 bucks and is quality. My current ryzen 8700G has a seasonic flex psu in it. Have seen 204 watts at max load in a stress test.
Come on A-Pray-Via isn't that bad 😂😂😂😂
It depends on the rating you can use psu teir list to check your apevia psu
@@ricky1000 This is true and every company has poor performing PSUs even my personal favorite Corsair. I don't think this Apevia one is bad for this build because total system will be like 200w at peak, if that.
@@tonyd7164 FPS is also pretty good with their flex power supplies
Emulation test, please! Thanks in advance!
Really hope we can achieve GPU-less VR at some point.
Even if its just to build a PC meant to run Beat Saber, it would be amazing to play VR titles with such a small PC.
nice, i play the forbidden west as well I run it at 60 fps vsync 4k, no upscaling at max settings, looks sweet on my 4080 and 7800x3d, 32gb ram combo. The mini itx boards are not cheap at all, i got the b650i edge wifi and it was $$$.
Nice man. I'm playing it as well on my 4070ti and i5 13600k at 1440p ultra no upscaling I'm getting about 85fps.
Awesome little build! Crazy performance with an apu! I'm curious to see what the difference would be if you used 4800 MT/s RAM. I haven't seen many videos compare the lowest vs highest ddr5 with APU's. Also slight correction, Helldivers 2 does not have FSR. It uses it's own render scaling that is terrible compared to fsr or dlss
I would have liked to see some better quality settings. Like turn FSR off or to Quality.
Please add decent cooling and revisit this, will be interesting if the numbers change, thanks
Would like to see MSFS over NYC on this one as well as Virtual Pinball X with the Leprechaun King or Spongebob table.
nice, try retrobat with it !!!
I wished that you test those games with higher settings and lower resolutions meaning better quality settings because some of those games didn't look like what the game graphics should be like Cyberpunk77.
Can't wait for Strix Halo!
I wish they would put an oculink port on some ITX motherboards.
Whats that?
I’m surprised a base 620 board supported 8000mhz ram, that’s awesome
5:25 - Yeah, I'm used to seeing those ugly "ketchup and mustard" cables when using FSP and other Flex psus.
8:30 - Oh snap 4,125?! Didn't think it'd surpass 3,400.
Bro! Pretty badass... I like it!
As always, nice video!
I would love to see this thing run Chimera OS.
Based on your videos, I bought an Optiplex 5060 mini tower with a Core i5 8500 and 8GB of RAM. I chucked the HDD, installed an M.2 SSD, 16 GB of RAM, and an RX6600. Running Chimera OS, it runs everything well including Ratchet and Clank Future. All for around $460. Thanks Eta Prime!
This build is right around $800. For that price you can go for much more affordable RAM and CPU. Then put that towards a $300 GPU. This really isn't impressive for how expensive it is. A great tech demo of how much the 780m can be with faster RAM and a more powerful CPU behind it. But no one should be trying to mimic this.
Yes, mini itx is more expensive than standard builds.
Water is also wet.
The point is mainly to showcase what you can do with a pc that size
What you can also do to make the most out of these iGPUs is (assuming you have 32GB of Ram) put the settings to the lowest (or maybe just use antialiasing and 16x AF) and then use ultra textures since technically you have 16GB of Vram. The games will look way better.... I'm not sure if there is a performnce pentalty for doing this on an igpu, but i dont think its significant.
No performance penalty for textures as long as they don't start spilling into system ram due to lack of vram.
Next year the Ryzen Ai 9 HX 395 16 core 40 compute units come out. its 3x more iGPU = almost 3x more fps compared to the R7 8700G.
Emulation performance?
Genuine question, why use stock cooler when you can get coolers like IDcooling is55? Or other low profile cooler.
what a machine!!
I like the color of your nails in the thumbnail.
Do you think the apu would benefit from having 4x sticks of ram, much like a ton of the cpus on am4?
I know a ton of 7000 cpus are/were having problems with four sticks.
Not with the current ddr5 ram cause motherboards and the memory controllers on the CPUs are geared to do it. High end AM5 motherboards might have the trace paths for it though and you could get a stronger imc on your chip but there are no guarantees
Waiting for 8000mt or faster RAM on handhelds 😎
That'd be insane actually.
These little machines are quiet and easy to hide, runs my favorite game really good and loads really fast.
Cool project but in terms of money and performance its better to buy Minisforum HX99/100g with rx 6650m.
Nah, rather save my money for yesterdays mobile gaming device!💪🏽🔥
Why does task manager show 2 of 4 sticks used? that motherboard allow for oc memory?
Somewhere out theres a wii steering wheel and accessories bundle, that can use this computer and my wii.
Just a note, you say itx mobos are expensive but on aliexpress there are pretty cheap(around 100$) itx mobos for both amd and intel
everything is cheaper on aliexpress...
That’s $30 cheaper thanAmazon. It’s not worth the risk. He was pointing out that their price is expensive compared to ATX.
Just missing the USB C on the front for those motherboards that support it.
The technology is developping fastly
I'll build it so my computer is easier to steal when someone breaks into my house.
I need to see the 8700g game with 10,000mhz ram.
@_@
too many early birds here 😂😍
I'm curious how this would be overclocked. I feel like the CPU could definitely take advantage of the faster ram with the faster chip when overclocked. Like I bet 3200 to 3300mhz on the APU would benefit big from from the faster ram.
Good job
Please use a different cooling system for this chip in that same case a more powerful cooling like customise.....
if the case height increase about just 50mm we will be able to fit a GPU there ain't we 🤓
Can you do a video on the 8700G on Batocera?
4:39 Overclocking is dead, undervolting is new trend
if you have higher quality memory and a quiet power supply (not electrically noisy) you can do some interesting things down there.
Does this case work ok with single slot GPU cards like the AMD 6400?
would like some higher quality presets on cyberpunk tested
looks like an awesome runescape 3 machine. lol
Is that a full install of Windows 10 for only $15 'all in' price?
wen minisforum v3.... i know you have it bruh i need answers! XD
hey what think about using hd-plex psu it can help significantly reduce case volume
I don’t get it.. why not only test max settings.. 1080p at max or an old PC with dedicated will beat it for a lower price
Wasted on the A620i. Should have got the B650i version to enable PBO all you can do is OC the RAM in that build. I've the 8700G as a project
Hi, could you please try out Star Citizen on that rig on 1080p
Dommage que asrock ne permette pas de modifier dans le bios la taille de la ram alloué pour la petite vidéo 😢
Alternatively:
Gigabyte A620M DS3H (rev. 1.0) AMD
Crucial Pro DDR5 RAM 32GB Kit (2x16GB) 6000MHz CL36
Crucial P3 Plus SSD 2TB M.2 PCIe Gen4 NVMe Interne SSD
be quiet! TFX Power 3 300W Gold, 80 Plus Gold
M100 Mini-Desktop-case 4,3l itx
Same CPU: AMD AM5 Ryzen 7 8700G Box 3,8GHz MAX 5,1GHz 8xCore 16xThreads 24MB 65W
Could you try to use the single-slot RTX A2000 that you modified recently?
Chimera OS please!!!
Velka will get you a dedicated low profile gpu in just 3,9 litres.
8000 MHz doesn't mean 8000 Mtransfer/second (the transfers depend upon Bank cycle time simplyfing by the tRAS,) , but for the rest great review. I love your channel :)
If your problem is not a confined space or portability, spending money for 8000 MTS ram to achieve "low" graphics doesn't really make any sense.
Only thing is you’ll need to upgrade in two years
Nice video, i have 10 778 in firestike with 7800 ram and tuned timmings.
The bottleneck price wise is the ram. No one wants to spend $200 on a kit of ddr5. ddr speeds start to have a diminishing return with cpu performance. Literally the only decent use case is this right here. BUT it drives the price of the build up too high. You could build a ninja 1440p rig for this amount, given it would be MUCH larger.
The rationale for these SFF APU build is completely destroyed by handheld like Steamdeck, ROG Ally, Legion Go. Used Steamdeck can be had for way less for the same-tier performance at better form factor and portability.
I remember when this channel was all about cool budget builds and emulation. Now it's all undisclosed affiliate links and even more undisclosed paid promotions. It really is a shame we lost J to greed.
We're not there yet. It's the same ugly graphics for 2024. That gpu was good for a handheld. But for something like 1080p and mostly on low, it's really a hard sell. I'd rather put a discreet GPU in there. Maybe in a few more generations...
Was that the same memory in the 8600g build? If it is good grief it went up in price!
Since your APU has limited performance, but access to as much memory as you allocate, can't you turn textures all the way up to max even if your other settings are low?
I see a vert slot, could you add a lower cooler and a LP video card on a riser?