If you hear the real or rest of the story on “hot” coffee you will change your mind about that particular incident. Many positive changes came about because of that poor lady’s lawsuit. There were numerous complaints filed against McDonald’s about how extremely hot they were serving their coffee and they did nothing. It was definitely not a frivolous lawsuit. If you have Spotify you should listen to this podcast. It will educate you so you don’t ever use this line of thinking again. For people who know the whole story comments like yours just show your ignorance. But you know, it’s not your fault. It’s what you have been told over and over again by those with special interest- that an old lady sued because she wanted to get rich off McDonald’s - Please listen to this podcast spotify.link/UTiyIgWidEb
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I don't know if it's a law but in Europe and maybe Asia they do have the right lever the front brake. I should have said they do it that way there but maybe it's preference rather than law BUT it might be a law. Sorry, I am American in America just like you but I read about the lever situation not live in a foreign country. I am in Los Angeles, CA.
Yes here in Australia all bikes are set up with the Left hand rear brake and Right hand front brake, but we also ride on the Left hand side of the road. Cheers mate great vid.
Hello David thank for watching from Australia 🇦🇺!! Ha ha I want to experience riding on the left hand side of the road! I wonder how hard and how long it would take me to adjust. Thank you for the compliment. Cheers mate
She was stupid to use just one brake anyways and squeeze super hard on the one brake... i think she may have been attempting some stunt riding on the bike... you should always use both brakes and squeeze with equal force to maintain the control and stopping power and
Most people riding e-bikes don’t posses the basic riding skills required. As a shop owner I see only rear brake pads worn. Then I ask them which brake they use when stopping and they either say they don’t know or both. I then say umm no you are only using the rear look how worn your rear pads are compared to the front. Then they almost always oh no I would never use the front I don’t want to go over the bars. Drives me me crazy. Thanks for watching.
It should be like a motorcycle, right lever is the front brake and left is the rear brake. I don't understand why bicycles should be backwards ! I have been a motorcyclist for 40 years plus and think bicycles should be the same to keep motorcyclists from getting confused ! Where did this originate ??
Regarding bikes it’s been this way since I was a kid - I’m 58 so let’s say at least 50 years in the USA. Keep in mind more people ride bicycles than motorcycles so to keep you from being confused would be catering to the minority. And yes I rode motorcycles for 20 years it never confused me on a pedal bike. You don’t have anything to do with your feet but pedal so the brakes are fine left front right rear. Thanks for watching though
Hello, Great video. I’ve only known bikes here in the USA to have right hand control for rear brakes. I’ve also known that so many people have different skill sets when riding. Rider familiarity is so important. Equipment knowledge is important.
Operator headspace and timing needs adjusted. If you don't know how the controls work, you shouldn't be operating the vehicle/piece of equipment. Simple as that
I bought my Oltre as NOS from Spain and it had right lever/rear brake. I’m in the UK so we drive on the left and usually have right lever/front brake. I tried the bike as it was and can’t say it was a problem, but I changed it over anyway...
I have been riding motorcycles most of my life. Right rear, left front. Yet I have been on a few BSAs right front, left rear. I can ride anything. But I can see a bike rider on an electric bike and making a mistake. Who's at fault in the states it's right rear so in my book it's Fantom fault and right now I'm actually looking at a Phantom EX for $600 barley used. 36 volt 250 watt not sure if it's for me. Nice review I also review ebikes on the TH-cam..
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad George I have a chance of picking up the Phantom Ex for $600 whats your honest opinion on this bike I can get a Reaspire for $1099 48 volt 14AH 105 or 110NM mid motor. Thanks
@@Instantpower332 I run a high-end road shop. I run a high-end road channel. It is my niche. I don’t know a thing about e-bikes nor do I wish to learn about them. This video was an Industry News segment about a lawsuit. I thought it would be interesting to cover and it that it might illicit dialogue. Thanks for watching!
eBikes may let people reach higher speeds than they could otherwise generate. Combine higher speeds and inexperienced riders and you have a recipe for disaster. Disclaimer: I do not know the experience level of this injured rider.
I used to love riding bikes back when I was a kid. Been looking into getting an ebike. Honestly I dont give a shit where the brakes are just as long as they have them lol. Sueing over not being used to or remember which side the brake is on that is all on the operator not the bike builders or company.... people are just stupid in America and think they gotta sue for every little thing.
I ride a motorcycle and bicycle and modulate both front and rear at the same. I just try to avoid grabbing a oh crap full brake, if I do so, am I going straight and will I lose front traction. The issue I have is with electric bike, some can maintain a constant faster speed than I pedal. Which makes them more dangerous and folks should be wearing a full face helmet and stay out of the bike lane and path.
I agree with you that EBikes don’t really belong on bike paths. EBikes are a danger in our hills here in San Diego. A gentle hill is 3-5% but we have lots of 7-10% hills on major streets with bike lanes and they buzz us on pedal bikes at 20 mph while we’re only doing 8-10 mph many of them try to squeeze between us and the cars it’s crazy. EBikes have completely infested our streets because it is so hilly here than non cyclists just can’t get up and down our hills without an ebike. They are everywhere and they ride them like complete idiots.
I have my mountain bike set up that way because I also ride offroad motorcycles and the front brake is on the right. So no matter if I'm on the YZ or the MTB the front brake is in the same location.
ALL my motorbikes have always had right lever is fron brake. Including my US Harley. And my bicycles too. It would be bizarre to apply front brake using the left lever. If she's on an Ebike. Not using a proper motorcycle helmet but just a cycle helmet (don't know for sure) she incurred a lot of responsibility for her injuries.
Hmm… this is a great question. This lawsuit definitely makes me more aware and forces me to have a discussion with my customer. I think the mechanic is so far down the line from the root cause that we’re safe from liability. I see our responsibility as pointing out the federal law, advise them that we could re wire, re cable everything and possibly bill the work to the manufacturer or the retailer as warranty or federal law compliance. This will come up again in my shop I know it. Thank you for the discussion point.
It's from China, good luck on getting any money, 90% pf Chinese bikes are reverse lever, when they come in our shop I switch them over for the customer. Even on my wolf warrior pro I had to reverse them also I am in the U.S.
That’s a great question. Here’s the thing, as I understand the federal law is a customer can request a custom build in moto style. So no I would not have any reservations building their bike moto style.
Here is an excerpt from the article “Penkert's attorney, Nick Verderame of the Phoenix personal injury law firm Plattner Verderame, said the right-hand positioning of the Swirl's front brake violates federal law governing bicycle design. The law states a bicycle's front brake must be actuated by a control on the left side of the handlebar. Reversals are only allowed for custom bikes.” Source: www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2022/03/25/injured-rider-sues-costco-and-e-bike-maker-over-right-front-brake-lever#.YkUeFCRlAlQ
I am in the USA and I ride a cheap ZNEN gy6 50cc scooter, and it has the front brake on the right lever, and the rear brake on the left. I bought it used and it came that way. It looks as if that was the factory setup. It is a 2010. I have a motorcycle endorsement and I used to ride street bikes with a clutch on the left, so having the scooter front brake on the right was familiar. I was unaware that it had an illegal setup until I saw this video. Thanks. Now, I can correct that and sue ZNEN. Just kidding.
Hey, interesting videos. Although I did some research,400k units sold? I'm very interested in where you have found all this information and where it has surfaced, I could never find anything about Costco sueing Phantom. If they are partners why fight among each other?? If you can please reach back to me I would love to dig deeper into this !
Here you go! Thanks for watching please consider subscribing! www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2022/03/25/injured-rider-sues-costco-and-e-bike-maker-over-right-front-brake-lever#.YoxmRqRlAlQ
From the article “The Swirl is available for sale on Phantom-Bikes.com for $2,295. Costco still lists the bike for sale on its website. Walmart appears to have sold the bike as well, although it's currently out of stock. The number of Swirls sold in the U.S. is unknown, although Toma said in an August 2020 interview with his vendor platform, C2FO, that Costco had ordered $400,000 worth of Phantom e-bikes in November 2019. The Swirl is currently the only Phantom Bikes e-bike available for sale on Costco's website.””
It's motorized, like a MOTORCYCLE which has a clutch on the left handle. Suing for HOT coffee. It's called getting familiar with your purchase.
If you hear the real or rest of the story on “hot” coffee you will change your mind about that particular incident. Many positive changes came about because of that poor lady’s lawsuit. There were numerous complaints filed against McDonald’s about how extremely hot they were serving their coffee and they did nothing. It was definitely not a frivolous lawsuit.
If you have Spotify you should listen to this podcast. It will educate you so you don’t ever use this line of thinking again. For people who know the whole story comments like yours just show your ignorance. But you know, it’s not your fault. It’s what you have been told over and over again by those with special interest- that an old lady sued because she wanted to get rich off McDonald’s -
Please listen to this podcast
spotify.link/UTiyIgWidEb
all motorcycles have the front brake on the rt side. clutch is on the left.
I did not know this, I have heard about the variations in Australia, here in Germany it is Left = Front Right = Rear
Thank You Mark! It’s great to hear other parts of the world checking in. Thanks for watching !
I heard in the USA it is standard Right being the back brake but in Europe it is the opposite. I had no idea it was a law here tho.
So in EUROPE it’s a law to have the right lever control the front brake? What country are you in please?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I don't know if it's a law but in Europe and maybe Asia they do have the right lever the front brake. I should have said they do it that way there but maybe it's preference rather than law BUT it might be a law.
Sorry, I am American in America just like you but I read about the lever situation not live in a foreign country. I am in Los Angeles, CA.
Yes here in Australia all bikes are set up with the Left hand rear brake and Right hand front brake, but we also ride on the Left hand side of the road. Cheers mate great vid.
Hello David thank for watching from Australia 🇦🇺!! Ha ha I want to experience riding on the left hand side of the road! I wonder how hard and how long it would take me to adjust. Thank you for the compliment. Cheers mate
I’m right handed I’m in USA
Thank You for watching
She was stupid to use just one brake anyways and squeeze super hard on the one brake... i think she may have been attempting some stunt riding on the bike... you should always use both brakes and squeeze with equal force to maintain the control and stopping power and
Most people riding e-bikes don’t posses the basic riding skills required. As a shop owner I see only rear brake pads worn. Then I ask them which brake they use when stopping and they either say they don’t know or both. I then say umm no you are only using the rear look how worn your rear pads are compared to the front. Then they almost always oh no I would never use the front I don’t want to go over the bars. Drives me me crazy.
Thanks for watching.
That's why I use both brakes for more braking power. I have a Phantom F1 Pro and it's an awesome build.
Thank You for coming in!
Yes both brakes is appropriate Braking technique.
Thanks for watching!
It should be like a motorcycle, right lever is the front brake and left is the rear brake. I don't understand why bicycles should be backwards ! I have been a motorcyclist for 40 years plus and think bicycles should be the same to keep motorcyclists from getting confused ! Where did this originate ??
Regarding bikes it’s been this way since I was a kid - I’m 58 so let’s say at least 50 years in the USA. Keep in mind more people ride bicycles than motorcycles so to keep you from being confused would be catering to the minority. And yes I rode motorcycles for 20 years it never confused me on a pedal bike. You don’t have anything to do with your feet but pedal so the brakes are fine left front right rear. Thanks for watching though
Who knew. Very unfortunate incident
Yeah I know I feel bad for the lady. 😭 poor thing now has a glass eye and needs to relearn depth perception
Hello,
Great video. I’ve only known bikes here in the USA to have right hand control for rear brakes. I’ve also known that so many people have different skill sets when riding. Rider familiarity is so important. Equipment knowledge is important.
I used to ride motorcycles. I am familiar with right hand front brake. But not on pedal bikes.
Thanks for watching.
Guess the company went down the tube, seems phone numbers have been disconnected. I’ve even tried emails, and no response. Very poor customer service.
Maybe your suspicions are correct maybe they did go out of business. Thanks for watching
Operator headspace and timing needs adjusted. If you don't know how the controls work, you shouldn't be operating the vehicle/piece of equipment. Simple as that
Agreed 💯 thanks for watching
I bought my Oltre as NOS from Spain and it had right lever/rear brake. I’m in the UK so we drive on the left and usually have right lever/front brake. I tried the bike as it was and can’t say it was a problem, but I changed it over anyway...
Thank you for adding to the conversation! Thanks for watching from the UK 🇬🇧!!
I have been riding motorcycles most of my life. Right rear, left front. Yet I have been on a few BSAs right front, left rear. I can ride
anything. But I can see a bike rider on an electric bike and making a mistake. Who's at fault in the states it's right rear so in my
book it's Fantom fault and right now I'm actually looking at a Phantom EX for $600 barley used. 36 volt 250 watt not sure if it's for
me. Nice review I also review ebikes on the TH-cam..
Thanks for watching!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad George I have a chance of picking up the Phantom Ex
for $600 whats your honest opinion on this
bike I can get a Reaspire for $1099 48 volt
14AH 105 or 110NM mid motor. Thanks
@@Instantpower332 I run a high-end road shop. I run a high-end road channel. It is my niche. I don’t know a thing about e-bikes nor do I wish to learn about them.
This video was an Industry News segment about a lawsuit. I thought it would be interesting to cover and it that it might illicit dialogue.
Thanks for watching!
eBikes may let people reach higher speeds than they could otherwise generate.
Combine higher speeds and inexperienced riders and you have a recipe for disaster.
Disclaimer: I do not know the experience level of this injured rider.
You are correct sir it is a recipe for increased danger. I also do not know the experience level of the injured rider.
Thanks for watching!
I used to love riding bikes back when I was a kid. Been looking into getting an ebike. Honestly I dont give a shit where the brakes are just as long as they have them lol. Sueing over not being used to or remember which side the brake is on that is all on the operator not the bike builders or company.... people are just stupid in America and think they gotta sue for every little thing.
I ride a motorcycle and bicycle and modulate both front and rear at the same. I just try to avoid grabbing a oh crap full brake, if I do so, am I going straight and will I lose front traction.
The issue I have is with electric bike, some can maintain a constant faster speed than I pedal. Which makes them more dangerous and folks should be wearing a full face helmet and stay out of the bike lane and path.
I agree with you that EBikes don’t really belong on bike paths. EBikes are a danger in our hills here in San Diego. A gentle hill is 3-5% but we have lots of 7-10% hills on major streets with bike lanes and they buzz us on pedal bikes at 20 mph while we’re only doing 8-10 mph many of them try to squeeze between us and the cars it’s crazy. EBikes have completely infested our streets because it is so hilly here than non cyclists just can’t get up and down our hills without an ebike. They are everywhere and they ride them like complete idiots.
I have my mountain bike set up that way because I also ride offroad motorcycles and the front brake is on the right. So no matter if I'm on the YZ or the MTB the front brake is in the same location.
Yes I am familiar. I’ve had two motorcycles over the years. I miss having one now.
Thanks for watching. Please consider subscribing.
if she has lost an eye through this accident she is entitled to some reward shouldn't she.
I think you’re right! $6M seems paltry for losing a freaking eye! My lord can you imagine?
ALL my motorbikes have always had right lever is fron brake. Including my US Harley. And my bicycles too. It would be bizarre to apply front brake using the left lever.
If she's on an Ebike. Not using a proper motorcycle helmet but just a cycle helmet (don't know for sure) she incurred a lot of responsibility for her injuries.
Wonder what, if any, liability a US bike mechanic has when servicing a bike brought in that already has this setup.
Hmm… this is a great question. This lawsuit definitely makes me more aware and forces me to have a discussion with my customer. I think the mechanic is so far down the line from the root cause that we’re safe from liability. I see our responsibility as pointing out the federal law, advise them that we could re wire, re cable everything and possibly bill the work to the manufacturer or the retailer as warranty or federal law compliance. This will come up again in my shop I know it. Thank you for the discussion point.
It's from China, good luck on getting any money, 90% pf Chinese bikes are reverse lever, when they come in our shop I switch them over for the customer. Even on my wolf warrior pro I had to reverse them also I am in the U.S.
Yeah these Chinese bikes are nothing but trouble 😢
Seeing this, would you have any reservations if a customer specifically asked you for a moto setup on a used bike?
That’s a great question. Here’s the thing, as I understand the federal law is a customer can request a custom build in moto style. So no I would not have any reservations building their bike moto style.
Here is an excerpt from the article “Penkert's attorney, Nick Verderame of the Phoenix personal injury law firm Plattner Verderame, said the right-hand positioning of the Swirl's front brake violates federal law governing bicycle design. The law states a bicycle's front brake must be actuated by a control on the left side of the handlebar. Reversals are only allowed for custom bikes.”
Source: www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2022/03/25/injured-rider-sues-costco-and-e-bike-maker-over-right-front-brake-lever#.YkUeFCRlAlQ
I am in the USA and I ride a cheap ZNEN gy6 50cc scooter, and it has the front brake on the right lever, and the rear brake on the left. I bought it used and it came that way. It looks as if that was the factory setup. It is a 2010. I have a motorcycle endorsement and I used to ride street bikes with a clutch on the left, so having the scooter front brake on the right was familiar. I was unaware that it had an illegal setup until I saw this video. Thanks. Now, I can correct that and sue ZNEN. Just kidding.
Hey, interesting videos. Although I did some research,400k units sold? I'm very interested in where you have found all this information and where it has surfaced, I could never find anything about Costco sueing Phantom. If they are partners why fight among each other?? If you can please reach back to me I would love to dig deeper into this !
Here you go!
Thanks for watching please consider subscribing!
www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2022/03/25/injured-rider-sues-costco-and-e-bike-maker-over-right-front-brake-lever#.YoxmRqRlAlQ
From the article
“The Swirl is available for sale on Phantom-Bikes.com for $2,295. Costco still lists the bike for sale on its website. Walmart appears to have sold the bike as well, although it's currently out of stock. The number of Swirls sold in the U.S. is unknown, although Toma said in an August 2020 interview with his vendor platform, C2FO, that Costco had ordered $400,000 worth of Phantom e-bikes in November 2019. The Swirl is currently the only Phantom Bikes e-bike available for sale on Costco's website.””
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