What FN2 Should You Buy? Older Or Later?
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- There's many differences between an early life FN2 and an FN2 near the end of production.
In this video, our good friend James Williams kindly brought along his 2007 FN2 for us to compare with Joey's 2011 FN2.
Both James and Joey drive each other's cars and compare the key differences between the two and especially noting whether it's worth spending a bit more to get the FN2 with the LSD (From late 2009 onwards).
A huge thanks to James for giving us a hand with his amazing cinematic skills and for bringing his car along to try!
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You gotta love and appreciate James’s honesty. It seems to be a nice guy. Respect.
He really, really is a cool guy. We'll link his socials in the description so you can follow him soon!
I've come back to this vlog to say I've had the MFactory LSD fitted after watching this video.
And wow 🤩 it's amazing 👌🏻it's a must to every FN2 owner, the grip is unreal and you can floor it around corners without understeer.
It slingshots you out of the corners 🤣👍🏻
Now because I can take corners faster than before my rear bushes have shat them selves due to the high speed cornering 🙈 it's an 07 plate so past there best lol.
Well worth the money if you plan on keeping it which I will do forever.
I'm going to keep it going when it eventually becomes tax exempt and on classic insurance 🤣🤣 last of the naturally aspirated VTEC engines so it's got to be worth something in the future 😎✌🏻
It is awesome, glad our video helped with your decision making!
I don't think my rear bushes need to be replaced yet but I will be upgrading to poly bushes eventually.
The grip is something to behold 😎😎
Thinking of doing the same, how much did it cost to get one installed?
@@ayr7r376 it was around a grand.
I also had other work done at the same time, a stage one clutch.
LSD was around 650 plus new bearings 50 ish and labour 300 ish
Every fn2 type R owner has crunched a gear at least once in there ownership 😂👌🏻
Have issue this gearbox buddy?
@@DimoS... no not really just sometimes you hear about the synchro meshes wearing and not going straight into gear.
To be expected changing gear at 8500rpm
Gearbox oil is easy to change by the way.
The issue is more so the clutch delay valve on the FN2 boxes vs say the EP3 box.@@1982james111
I crunched a gear or two in my 2.2 diesel 😅
Third gear. Sometimes it has a tiny bit more resistance and the gearlever has to be pushed right through that second bit of resistance with the clutch pedal fully pressed. Got me a couple of times. Crunch.
What a fun evening! Great to experience another fn2.. I think we need to make another video on track some day 😉
Haha now there's an idea!
Thanks for bring your car down, it was cool to compare what they are both like!!
Shout out to your Cinematics man.... so so good!
@@calumwilson182 seconded!!!!!
Great video, & perfectly timed as I'm looking for an FN2 here in Australia! A couple of issues not addressed - standing start grip in the wet & dry with & without LSD & wet weather cornering. Perhaps another vid guys on a wet day... :)
Appreciate the comment man!
It'll be quite difficult to get another vid done with this car in the future, but I (Joey) can at least tell you what it's like with the LSD in the wet.
With good tyres, the LSD works the same as it does in the dry when powering through corners. Obviously you can't go as fast as you normally would in the dry but it's still very much in effect - doing its job!
Standing starts is something I've never actually really paid too much attention to but as you've stated, it may be a future video... Who knows? Lol 👀
@@jcscarculture5267 Thanks for the prompt reply. I'm leaning towards paying a bit more & getting the later, LSD car, unless a really nice older model turns up!
Definitely do it. The cornering capability of both are very, very good but as we both stated, the LSD helps you carry more speed and stability with no fuss
@@jcscarculture5267 Cool! What RPM in 6th gear at 100kmh (62mph) & fuel consumption if just cruising at that speed?
MPG when cruising is anywhere between 32-35. That's what I usually get anyway with the cruise control set to the speed limit haha.
6th gear at about 60mph is about 3.2k revs??? I know it's nearly 4k at 70ish mph (I may need to pay more attention to the rev counter from now on when cruising 😂) but I'm sure that's all fairly accurate!
I've had both pre facelift and now the facelift with the LSD
I find the Facelift drives better and revs up better , probably owing not just due to the LSD.
- Lighter flywheel
- Suspension tweaks
- Better sound proofing
- Aux ports in armrest
- Standard HID lights
- More steering resistance
My pre facelift had HSK , Tegiwa single exit exhaust
Face lift has Injen CAI & Scorpio twin exit exhaust, I prefer this setup although CAI you risk hydrolock should u suck up water
Of course all depends on budget and what's available on the market
Just my opinion of course
Thanks for the comment man!
Interesting - have you ever sucked up water with the CAI?
@@jcscarculture5267 not yet and hope I never will I avoid flood areas and avoid driving if flood alerts
Think you can buy a sock but heard it's useless. Compared to the HKS I quite like it, HKS is louder but I found the CAI to have better power delivery and no heatsoak which you can get with the HKS especially in winter
I've been looking at the injen one a lot and think I'll go for that one when I'm ready for power mods
@@jcscarculture5267 you won't regret it I highly rate it. Other than induction and exhaust my money would be on brakes and suspension. U don't want polybushes on a daily but braided brake lines with uprated pads motul RF600 brake fluid is a fairly inexpensive mod and will improve brake pedal feel bite and modulation it's what I'm doing next week's
Do you says Tein Coilovers on red FN2? Thanks.
Had an MFactory LSD fitted recently and would seriously recommend one to anyone. Feels like the front tyres have hooks in them. Very reassuring.
I've heard about the MFactory LSD - how much was the whole installation??
@@jcscarculture5267 I had LSD, Clutch, drive shaft and crank seals & new oil. Whole lot £1200
That's actually a very good price. The LSD makes such a difference doesn't it?
@@jcscarculture5267 yes it does. Not even been over 5000rpm as I'm going easy on the new clutch but feel a massive improvement in steering and grip
Found one of your videos the other day and you said you were in Hertfordshire which is where I live - didn't realise you were so close to me though, I know exactly where you are at the beginning of the video 😄
I have a tired mk5 GTI. I am definitely Considering one of these for my next car!?
You won't be disappointed!!
The later the better but all that really matters is that the car has been looked after properly
Picking up my fn2 tomorow cant wait
I bet! Whats the spec??
@@jcscarculture5267 getting 07 so no lsd, but this been well maintained with tastefull mods, as not many lsd models for sale atm and they sell much higher here. Im in australia.
They're still great cars man. As long as it has been well maintained and has the mods you like, that's all that matters 😎
Just a minor correction..... it was the championship white ones and any car *built* after April 2010.
My 2010 Deep Sapphire Blue FN2 doesn't have an LSD. The PDI was carried out on the 27th February 2010 before being first registered on 1st March 2010
Ahhh interesting!! Thanks for the correction man, I actually thought all the sapphire blue ones had an LSD built in too.
@@jcscarculture5267 i thought the same until someone told me that their DSB FN2 didn't have one, so i contacted Honda and they confirmed that no LSD was fitted, but to be 100% sure I also did my own "test" which resulted in a number 1 being left on a country road instead of a number 11 😆 my FN2 is build number R-21770
Honda also told me that Deep Sapphire Blue was only available as an option for 1 year before being discontinued, resulting in there only being 115 FN2 Type R's sold in Europe this colour, with only 66 of them being registered from new in the UK, making it one of the rarest colours to buy an FN2 in this country. Think only Deep Bronze Pearl could be rarer
Ohhh wow lol. Well, you learn something new everyday I guess!
Will you be getting one fitted??
@@jcscarculture5267 in all honesty, probably not as I will most likely only feel the maximum benefit from it on track considering the cost of one.
For day to day driving I feel an LSD would be a bit overkill especially when only running stock power. For the same price as buying an LSD I could pretty much buy Eibach Springs, front camber bolts, rear camber shims and fast road setup plus pagid blank discs with PBS pads all round, braided lines and motul rbf600 fluid which I feel would be more of an upgrade than fitting an LSD
If, in the future, i decide to go down the supercharger route I would most definitely be looking into one to help get the power down
I can understand that. I've heard a lot about the fast road setup and how much it changes the car.
I would say you definitely feel the difference on the road but as you say, it's the price really!!
Good luck with your mods and general ownership dude 😎👍🏾👍🏾
Great video guys ty, not seen a comparison before 👍
You're welcome man! Appreciate the compliment
An still havent
In Ireland, the tax on a 2007 fn2 is 710 euro per year. The tax on an 2008 and later is 1200 per year.
Wow that is ridiculous
What exhaust is under James' FN2? It sounds "more aggressive" than the stock one and it's really cool.
Brill video, both nice fn2 and I'd definitely still keep the lsd on my wish list for my fn2
Don't blame you man! You won't regret it 👍🏾
@@jcscarculture5267 yeah be a good addition especially when get a intake manifold and cams as the more more will make it even more noticeable when the lsd is fitted
Sound really good man!
Couple of things guys. I have a 2008 FN2 GT from new. No modifications with only 97k on the clock. (1) it worth fitting a gear stick short shifter, is the difference noticeable? (2) What is the best clutch to replace the standard one? Great video guys.
Thanks for the comment firstly - you're the first person I've spoken to that's owned theirs from new 👏👏
I haven't got a short shifter on my FN2 as I personally don't feel it's needed but then again, I haven't driven one with it so I can't actually say you should or shouldn't get one or how big the difference is.
In regards to changing the clutch, this is something I will be doing soon (we shall do a vid on this when it happens) because when I drove James' red civic in the video, he had changed his clutch and gearbox oil and the difference is very noticeable.
I believe a lot of people with FN2s go to a company called Honda HQ to get their clutch and gearbox oil changed at the same time as they offer that as one of their services. Might be worth looking into that. I know I will 👍
I don't think you need a short shifter. Just take out the locking ring under the stock shift knob so you can lower the stock knob, and that feels much better already, lol. :)
Good video guys!
Appreciated man!!
Those rims are sick bro 🔥🔥🔥
nice cars, i have the fn2r. i have just moded the ECU, vtec kicks in at 4.5k. more usable power plus revs to 8.5k. i found lower end torque smoother power band but lacked that later vtec kick, when you say you can feel the lsd, is the VSR on or off ?
When we were filming this, we were driving with the assists on and you could feel the difference. But since filming filming this, I've been driving it without the assists on and you feel the LSD a lot more!
Are you thinking of getting one for yours?
I was close to buying an fn2 a pre facelift, after lowering or adding coil overs etc. you can have a “fast road” set up where they the geometry of the suspension settings at TGM motorsports for not much money. Nice video and if only Jeremy Clarkson drove the post facelift he may have like it..🤣🤣
Yes having a fast road setup is something I've heard quite a lot about and it is something I plan on doing in the future!
Haha I do agree with what you're saying as well but I do think that if he drove the FN2 with the mindset of it being a newer version/take 2.0 of the EP3 (same engine, same power but with new interior and new body and more toys etc), he would've appreciated it more too!
@@jcscarculture5267 that’s why the type R 10 plates (April 2010) or champ white will be sought after which is good for the owner but not for the rest of us 😳😳😳 lol 😝. With LSD sky is the limit just a suspension upgrade and good to go. Tho would be interesting to see an fn2 with the fast road set up vs facelift with LSD and see how they perform. It was ironic that Chris Harris drove the champ white on track back to back with other hot hatches and he loved it. The LSD transformed the car. Keep the videos coming one day I’m going to get one.😎
Yeah indeed. Or maybe seeing how it feels with the fast road setup and an LSD 👀👀.
Appreciate the comments man - we will indeed keep the vids coming!!
The stock Bridgestone RE050A were a very rigid tyre to be fair. Something more modern like a Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 5 softens the ride a lot, even on the same stock 18" wheels. :)
On of my fave youtube channels
Right back at you man!! 👌🏾😎
@@jcscarculture5267 didi you notice my youtube channel lists your channel as a featured channel?
No way!! We'll check that second we have time. Its appreciated!
I own a fn1 2008 where sells shock absorbers for this and ships internationally?
Don't quote me on this but I believe Autodoc may offer this. Google them, they're quite good!
Hi fellas, I am going to look at a type r today. How would I know if it has LSD. Hopefully you can answer this pretty quick.
Love the vids keep them up!!
Hey man,
There's a couple of things - firstly if it is late registered like a 60 plate onwards then it will have an LSD. If it is a championship white edition or a mugen 200 edition then it will definitely have and LSD.
What's the year of the car you you're going to see?
When you drive around bends, the car should try to pull you in more than just spin its wheels and pull you wider if that makes sense?
@@jcscarculture5267 it’s a 2009 so probably ain’t going to have it. To be quite honest they want £4,495 for it and it has a stereo like yours. I am the unluckiest person going so it probably be absolute wrong an.
It's doesn't really matter too much about mileage, as long as the car has been cared, has had regular service and the normal issues have been dealt with, then you're good.
What's the colour? You can also restro fit and LSD to it - there are many owners that have done this 👍🏾
@@jcscarculture5267 it is on eBay 2009 Honda Civic 2.0 i-VTEC Type R GT 3dr HATCHBACK Petrol Manual Black. Thanks for replying quick. It’s in Dagenham
Okay I think I've seen it, have a look at the roof rust, if it looks minimal then that's fine but bear in mind you will need to get that fixed soon.
Also check the shocks (you should take a torch with you) to make sure there's no leaking on them and if there are, see if the garage will change it for you for sachs shocks or at least take about £300 off the price to accommodate for this.
Have him jack up the back the car and look at rear bean near where they meet the hubs of the rear wheels, older FN2s are prone to the rear beam snapping, causing the wheel sit unstable.
I have no idea what tyres those are even though he has said they're good tyres on the car 😬😅.
I can't see a mention of service history at all either...
I would honestly say from the pics it looks clean but for that price, you can get a nicer, well kept example from Facebook groups with more wanted and recommended mods!
The mileage is good for that age but ONLY if its been loved in that time.
So just to check the red ones the 2007 right ?
You'll only notice on tight bends where you would normally get torque steer and slip in a non lid. Or off thr lights hard. Nor.al driving bends etc you'll never feel it
That's true, but if you're buying a Type R then getting on the throttle early out of tight bends (or even sweeping bends) is high on the agenda! :)
Hello. All the facelift models is having the LSD mounted by default?
Great video, thanks
Amazing vid! Can you please tell me the type of rims in red car??
Appreciated!
They are OZ Legerra alloys 👍
Ah damn, had plans on buying a new PC and Phone but that money is going towards a FN2. Life to short to drive boring cars.
Hahaha could do with some new PC upgrades too but all my money goes on the FN2 haha. You won't regret the purchase though - just make sure it's been looked after!
@@jcscarculture5267 Yeah getting tired of my Vectra even tho it has worked great. Feel i want a fun car again tho and seeing that pc parts are rare and expensive its better to wait anyway 😁
But think I have found a clean black FN2 from 2008 with 130 000km on the clock that I will look on this weekend 😊
You won't regret the choice lol
I hope it's a good deal - keep us posted!!
I’m stuck between a mugen m200 and just a normal fn2, the mugen has 118k miles and is £8k, the normal one has 80k miles and is £5k... help 😢
This is quite a dilemma haha
First question - the normal FN2, what year is it? Is it a 10 plate onwards?
The M200 will always hold more value but the differences between that and a newer model FN2 are not as big as people think. Apart from the bumper styilings, exclusive colours and wheels and the fact there were only 200 made of these, you are still getting a face-lifted FN2. So, xenons, LSD and such.
For me, the M200 is a beautiful car and will hold its value over the normal FN2s (apart from CWs as they're a limited edition too) but if the maintenance history and the condition of it isn't good or even non-existent, then I'd probably walk away. Unless you can afford to throw money at it then it's worth buying 😂
@@jcscarculture5267 the normal civic is 2008 plate, both however have seemed to be looked after 😂 thanks
Then as long as you have the finances available, go for the M200.
The LSD alone is more than enough to set the 2 apart in regards to the driving feel LET ALONE it being a limited edition!
let us know what you get 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
@@jcscarculture5267 okay thanks a lot for the advice, I’ll keep you updated!
@@jcscarculture5267 I went for the mugen lol best car I’ve ever had!!
I can get a championship white 2010 84,000km in Aus FN2R. For 24k AUD.
Every one wound won't the later one but at the end 9f the day its all done to money
You can just install an LSD on an earlier car.
I need those rims that are on red fn2. Can you let me know exact name and specs?
I believe they are OZ Legerras. They are 18x8 as well I think....
You should be using standard cars not ones you have added bits to
This is a valid point, but we didn't have access to one standard FN2 let alone two lol
I'll watch any video that uses Limp Bizkit.
Hahah, good taste I see 😎
My FN2 has a bonnet... not a 'hood' you lunatic. Nice wheels on the Red Civic btw...
Leaking water allover the insides,footwells and boots.Worst thing in any car.Hondas shitty panel sealant.Engines great but the rest is crap.
I take it you haven't had good experiences with Hondas lol?
Did you have an FN2? I (Joey) have had two Hondas in my lifetime and never had that issue... Yet 🤞🏾lol
@@jcscarculture5267 yep 3 Hondas all leaking ,TH-cam`s full of them and it aint funny when its yours. Never again.
I can imagine!! It's a shame you've gone through that man :/
Pff , try owning a ford , I've invested in a wet vac
Yeah sure there was a recall on the front of the roof leaking at the windscreen. Best to check if this has been done when buying an fn2 or the plain civic as it affected all models.
You look like mick Hucknalls smackhead brother
Hahahah thanks
I am looking to get an FN2 eventually. Do you have any recommendations on type, price, mileage or anything you can think of?
Thanks for the comment - what's your price range and we can go from there?? 😎
@@jcscarculture5267 I was thinking under about £3500-£4000. But I have seen FN2s for less but with over 100K miles, CAT N etc.
That's a decent budget - these cars are really reliable so engine wise, you are good but make sure the service history is there and has been kept up to regularly!
These do suffer from boot leaks, usually in the hidden compartment section of the boot. So if it's rained recently, open the hidden section and feel out the carpet. If it feels damp then that's something to get checked as to where the leakage is, if not then it's all good or has already been treated!
Check the oil level of the car as the K20 engine loves to drink oil, so make sure it has enough in it. That's usually a tell tell sign if the owner has looked after the car or not.
If you find one from 2011 onwards within your budget - or a championship white FN2 (that has been well looked after) deffo go for that as it will have an LSD fitted from factory and that really does transform the handling of the car :)!
Also, make sure all suspension components are in good condition - check the shocks with a torch for oil stains on the shock absorbers.
Hopefully the above helps you find a a great one dude! 👍
@@jcscarculture5267 I have found a 2010 FN2 on Autotrader that does have factory LSD, 80K miles, folding mirrors and rear parking sensors for £7000 (no performance or cosmetic mods). And a few others over £7K. I think I will probably keep looking in to the new year. Thanks for the good tips.
@@jcscarculture5267 I’ve found a 2010 champ white fn2. It’s got 175000km on the clock and I think that’s a big on the higher side. It is 6600 pounds. What would ur opinion be on this?