professor de portuga do YT ive only been able to obtain 2 of the 3 but I'm still working on it... tell Link to bring it on ! everyone that likes the allegretto needs to listen to Liszt transcription "gould's version" on piano... almost better than the full orchestra
Gould's performance of the allegretto is truly amazing - we know that GG was not adverse to double tracking and other technical tricks but the result is sensational. That said, I love these katsaris performances
Just wonderful. Liszt's transcription takes full advantage of the piano's capacity to bring out dynamics, both melodic and harmonic, that are less evident in the original version. Liszt offers some fun new perspectives, and their well enunciated in the playing. Katsaris does very, very well, though I will say that the weight of his playing is in interpreting Liszt rather than channeling Beethoven (which isn't what I would have done but is completely valid and perhaps even more respectful toward Liszt's contributions to the material).. That all might sound cryptic or even daft, but if you are a fan of the spontaneity and electricity in this symphony then I think you'll know what I mean. Thanks for another gem of an upload!
Brett Burman I completely understand what you are saying. Katsaris is an interesting character.. If you have ever listened to him talk about his pianistic, pedagogical philosophy, you'll know that he's very interpreter-driven (being a composer/improviser himself). I don't hear it as much in these Beethoven/Liszt recordings, but in his live playing he definitely rushes at times. But what is interesting is that it's part of his own artistic interpretation of the piece, not accidental rushing, a la piano students. His style is Lisztian or Alkanesque in nature, so I feel like by interpreting the scores himself, he actually channels more natural Liszt than he might even realize.lol. I actually think that Katsaris is arguably the best go-to reference for the Beethoven/Liszt. But obviously that's my opinion. I just think the discussion is an interesting one. I'd love to see a tally of top pianists (or TH-cam listeners) of who would prefer to channel the Beethoven, Liszt.
Thank you maestro Katsaris for offering (classical) music lovers such an interesting rendition of this musical masterpiece which Beethoven himself considered one of his best works. Bravo!!
17:24 theres no less energy than in an erupting volcano in this Beethoven/Liszt What must it been like to hear Liszt himself play such stuff at the time and thanks to Maestro Katsaris for being such a sensible and clear minded magic medium of channeling some of those past days energys before nearly all that got eaten away by modern electric and machine vampire carnivore zombie coolness society I just learned that M. Katsaris a recu l etincelle magique par les mains de l ecole von Sauer alors maintenant je comprends d ou ca vient chez lui...
Hiramess, I share the same love of Katsaris for Beethoven's symphonies, and I think it is enough to justify the fun in learning to play them. For sure, they are the greatest musical works of all humanity, with Brahms Intermezzos, Bach partitas, and so on. And the Lizst's version is just great, full of polyphony.
@@calebhu6383 There is no Glenn Gould's version. There is, however, here on YT a recording by Jean-Claude Pennetier, wrongfully attibuted to GG. It was posted on the channel Above the Mists, but it's not Gould.
@@linkedh how do you know that that version is not played by glenn gould? there isn't anything in the description of that video neither in the comments
...think about it, there was a time when one could not have heard any of the Orchestral work (no radio, no internet etc.) but, thanks to somebody distributing the Sheet Music around, and some capable Musician, these transcriptions were all you ever heard!
No matter how beautifully played or transcribed there will always be the repeated notes and tremolos to hold it together, and the split octaves. This is not a criticism. But we need to remember that that when Beethoven “orchestrated” his string quartets, his writing was completely removed from a pianistic approach. They are completely NEW AND ORGANIC on their own. Such towering genius remains unbelievable. Especially now. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
I enjoyed this one too, but for me personal, this is a little bit too....progressive. I know it`s Katsaris thing to ...leave the regular paths.He is very gifted, has a deep understanding of the music and is an enrichment for the art.I think this isnt the Liszt version too, he added a lot of own stuff. But in this case here, I enjoy the Gould recording much more.
@@frankromano9064 yeah you are right.. I was misslead by an incorrect attribution here on youtube. I knew he recorded 5 and 6, so I didnt question the appearance of further recordings, especially on such a high level. Thx for correcting me! If the internet doesnt fool me again, it`s jean-claude pennetier I have to honor for the recording !(?)
That is so funny...becaose Glenn Gould never recorded Liszt transcription of Beethoven Symphony No. 7.... the person who posted it put Gould's picture on ths same Katsaris' recording... ho ha ha ha incredible .. listen to both and you will see ....
There are some bits in the second movement that seem to require 3 hands. Is this definitely a straight recording, or might he be doing some overlaying?
That was the genius of Liszt. Everything he wrote was playable by two hands and ten fingers. He reassigned some of Beethoven’s part writing to different voices precisely to make the resulting transcription more playable. I heard Katsaris play the E flat symphony live (on the radio) and he definitely did not overlay.
While I respect the skill Katsaris brought to playing these pieces, this _particular_ transcription has the unfortunate tendency in the third movement to sound like the piano accompaniment to a silent film melodrama. I keep on expecting Dudley Do-Right to come galloping on his horse, facing backwards, shouting "I'll save you, Nell!"
@@michaelmarsh3213 I doubt it would be feasible to listen to classical music more than I already do. Last Sunday, I listened to more than twelve hours of music: seven hours of regular weekly programming I listen to every Sunday plus two operas, _La forza del destino_ by Giuseppe Verdi and _Pelléas et Melisande_ by Claude Debussy.
¡Che! Cuando entrás a sondear en TH-cam las interpretaciones de grandes obras clásicas encontrás que casi todos los comentarios son para alabar al compositor (sobre todo si es Beethoven, Mozart, Bach como si les hubieran dictado sus obras y fueran ellos por criticones los dueños de las reglas) y para defenestrar al intérprete solista (o a la orquesta y hasta el sonido de la grabación) y para lamentarse de su interpretación. ¡Es tan fácil criticar negativamente! ¡Parecen frígidos quejándose de la ineficacia de su amante por no llegar ellos a un buen final! ¿NUNCA DISFRUTAN DE NADA CHE? Además exponen su mala onda con una abundancia de metáforas incongruentes quedando impregnados de un patético tufo a resentimiento envidioso. Pero en la obscuridad de su sala ellos no pueden tocar ni el arrorró simplificado.
In his complete set, Katsaris displays a formidable technique but in many instances, he seems to rush the music, bangs out many deep chords and often blurs sections by an overuse of the sustaining pedal. I would liken these transcriptions to pretty much how Cziffra would have played them, bravura!
Amazing on the first, second, and fourth movements, but the third movement is too slow in my opinion. It feels lethargic and lacks energy at many points. Otherwise, the recording is amazing. I especially like the pauses taken in the first movement and the articulation used throughout is superb.
Extraordinary refinement and control of dynamics. Still, the piano is an inadequate substitute for the symphony orchestra. These marvelously well executed performances have value only as an historical curiosity. One wonders why this great pianist bothered to take the time to learn and perfect this particular repertoire in this day and age when symphony orchestras abound?
The Allegro con brio finale is by far the most successful of the movements, but one still misses the infinite variety of tonal colors the symphony orchestra accords. Incredibly good pianism, of course, but as musical expression faithful to Beethoven's intent it's largely a waste of effort,
In fact, the piano isn't a substitute for a symphony orchestra and taking these transcriptions for a mere substitute is a big mistake. They become an artwork in their own. In the 19th century, piano versions of everything were very common and the way to get to know or access operas, symphonies and other orchestral works - like the engravings helped to popularize paintings. Besides, many composers drafted their symphonies first on the piano, to make the orchestration later. Playing a symphony on the piano is somewhat like getting closer to the composers process and helps, very often, to understand better the structure of the whole composition.
Hyramess Hiramess With respect it seems to me that you are missing the value of transcribing a symphony in the first place. Even if Liszt's intention was to simply allow a single person to present the symphony, which is unlikely, that wouldn't mean that one should judge the work solely for it's success in replicating the orchestral version. Your statement about the piano being a poor substitute is, and again I say this with respect, so obvious that it's daft. Of course the piano can't substitute for an orchestra (it can't even "substitute" for a quartet). That inadequacy is, on the contrary, what is so valuable. The piano's very limitations make transcription worthwhile and intriguing in the first place. Those limitations force the transcriber to make choices in how he replicates the melodies and harmonic structure (in essence the "sound") on a keyboard. Transcribing Beethoven (or any good composer) is difficult precisely because it requires an aesthetic and clear vision of the musical ideas the transcriber wants to re-create. When done well, as is the case here, we are able to see a new perspective on the original work that is both intrinsically valuable and also informative for listening to the source material. And when one is dealing with a source like Beethoven's symphonies, which are an apparently inexhaustible trove of musical ideas and artistic expression, the perspectives and occasional insights offered by transcriptions make them wonderful tools in the ceaseless reappraisal of works that is the hallmark of classical music.
Roberto Carvalho de Magalhães As a conductor, I am indebted to Piano versions of Masterworks to help with score study. Being able to play the entire work with two hands allows me so much more confidence on the podium and in reading the score.
Yeah. Of course a lot of this is just brilliant for a piano, but I feel like Liszt should have taken more liberties with the arrangement(s) like what he did to the Hungarian Rhapsodies and the Mephisto Waltz (the latter is the most brilliant arrangement from orchestra to piano, ever, in my opinion!). I especially don't like that chords are broken, I think it diminishes the symphonic power that is being represented. (Cyprien Katsaris though does things of his own outside of the arrangement, which I admire and respect, but it becomes even more broken chords, and octave shifts)
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The 2nd Movement is one of my all time favourite pieces of music. It is just beautiful.
Joe Shears satan
allegretto fir the win
Braca Ganon Die Ganon! You will not steal the triforce for your evil plan!
professor de portuga do YT ive only been able to obtain 2 of the 3 but I'm still working on it... tell Link to bring it on !
everyone that likes the allegretto needs to listen to Liszt transcription "gould's version" on piano... almost better than the full orchestra
Gould's performance of the allegretto is truly amazing - we know that GG was not adverse to double tracking and other technical tricks but the result is sensational. That said, I love these katsaris performances
I love the first movement.
I agree. Sadly overshadowed by the hype around the 2nd movement. I find it just as brilliant!
@@greatachillini6001 all of them are good
The first movement is very progressive harmonically! I really love it too
Katsaris the most under estimated pianist in the world...
In my opinion from 11:39 to 11:49, are the 10 seconds where the music reached the highest level in human history
Beethoven + Liszt
Just wonderful. Liszt's transcription takes full advantage of the piano's capacity to bring out dynamics, both melodic and harmonic, that are less evident in the original version. Liszt offers some fun new perspectives, and their well enunciated in the playing. Katsaris does very, very well, though I will say that the weight of his playing is in interpreting Liszt rather than channeling Beethoven (which isn't what I would have done but is completely valid and perhaps even more respectful toward Liszt's contributions to the material).. That all might sound cryptic or even daft, but if you are a fan of the spontaneity and electricity in this symphony then I think you'll know what I mean. Thanks for another gem of an upload!
Brett Burman I completely understand what you are saying. Katsaris is an interesting character.. If you have ever listened to him talk about his pianistic, pedagogical philosophy, you'll know that he's very interpreter-driven (being a composer/improviser himself). I don't hear it as much in these Beethoven/Liszt recordings, but in his live playing he definitely rushes at times. But what is interesting is that it's part of his own artistic interpretation of the piece, not accidental rushing, a la piano students. His style is Lisztian or Alkanesque in nature, so I feel like by interpreting the scores himself, he actually channels more natural Liszt than he might even realize.lol. I actually think that Katsaris is arguably the best go-to reference for the Beethoven/Liszt. But obviously that's my opinion.
I just think the discussion is an interesting one. I'd love to see a tally of top pianists (or TH-cam listeners) of who would prefer to channel the Beethoven, Liszt.
This symphony is pure magic.
Thank you maestro Katsaris for offering (classical) music lovers such an interesting rendition of this musical masterpiece which Beethoven himself considered one of his best works. Bravo!!
Great tribute to the Master!!!
=))
17:24 theres no less energy than in an erupting volcano in this Beethoven/Liszt What must it been like to hear Liszt himself play such stuff at the time and thanks to Maestro Katsaris for being such a sensible and clear minded magic medium of channeling some of those past days energys before nearly all that got eaten away by modern electric and machine vampire carnivore zombie coolness society
I just learned that M. Katsaris a recu l etincelle magique par les mains de l ecole von Sauer alors maintenant je comprends d ou ca vient chez lui...
the second movement is so clean... I LOVE IT!!!!
powerful and dynamic performance! nice!
Perfection!
Bravo, bravo~!!
Good god, this is brilliantly done.
Pura musica di un genio inarrivabile
Liszt Transcribed Beethoven fucking symphonies onto piano? My mind has just been blwon
hahahahahahaha :D :D
These bastards are killing us :D
You should see the last movement of the 5th. It's impossible, but people can play it anyway.
blown? More papist than the Pope, really Beeth composed first for piano and then, instrumentation for orchestra...
....so, thevpiano version is a sort of depurated synthesis of the incubation stage...
Actually a transcription is very different from a mere piano sketch.
This is incredible
Ooh, gets even more exciting at second movement, just lovely 14:48
i love it!
Maravilha, sem palavras, obrigado por postar,
Una concezione molto vicina alla Nona risulta chiarissima in questa veste, tanto più grande in quanto inaspettata
Hiramess, I share the same love of Katsaris for Beethoven's symphonies, and I think it is enough to justify the fun in learning to play them. For sure, they are the greatest musical works of all humanity, with Brahms Intermezzos, Bach partitas, and so on. And the Lizst's version is just great, full of polyphony.
Don't forget Mozart's piano concertos. And underneath the radar, when they are played right, Rossini's overtures and operas.
Don't forget Mahler's symphonies und Lieder.
Don't forget music comes from Human being ...
Cyprien is just master o'er other masters...
Somewhere in this world, there is a re-education camp for people who gave this a thumb's down.
That clarity, I'd bet there's thousand hours of Bach behind
Listen to Glenn Gould's version, where there are most certainly thousands of Bach hours behind.
@@calebhu6383 There is no Glenn Gould's version. There is, however, here on YT a recording by Jean-Claude Pennetier, wrongfully attibuted to GG. It was posted on the channel Above the Mists, but it's not Gould.
@@linkedh Ah, I didn't know that.
@@linkedh how do you know that that version is not played by glenn gould?
there isn't anything in the description of that video neither in the comments
@@ilguerrierodragone129 Here is the full recording. Further discussion in the comments. th-cam.com/video/Dy3oZ5jmtMw/w-d-xo.html
I-m-p-r-e-s-s-i-v-e!!
I-n-d-e-e-d!!
What an effort!
...think about it, there was a time when one could not have heard any of the Orchestral work (no radio, no internet etc.) but, thanks to somebody distributing the Sheet Music around, and some capable Musician, these transcriptions were all you ever heard!
of course if you happened to be in any given town in Germany, where there was a Pianist there's was probably some Horn and String players too.
wow
incredibly played 2nd movement...
...a critic of Beethoven's music (concerning Symph.9) once said: '...this, is the Sound of some Giant Dwarf stomping across the Universe'!
Bravo to the composer, the transcriber, and the performer. Boo hiss to the ads between movements.
that's what Adblock Plus thee free browser plugin is for.. ads don't even appear for me
I turned this on then just forgot I was listening to it lol
I was gonna say " the force is....... " but thought nahh you nailed it lool xD
14:44 second movement
19:56
Glenn Gould ?
No matter how beautifully played or transcribed there will always be the repeated notes and tremolos to hold it together, and the split octaves.
This is not a criticism. But we need to remember that that when Beethoven “orchestrated” his string quartets, his writing was completely removed from a pianistic approach.
They are completely NEW AND ORGANIC on their own.
Such towering genius remains unbelievable. Especially now.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
3:50
11:29 I wish I could compose something like those 20 seconds someday.
holy shit
what did liszt eat to do all thaton piano :00
@Felis Skalkotris Sorabjitus lmfao'sh
@Felis Skalkotris Sorabjitus what'ish?
@Felis Skalkotris Sorabjitus ohokay'ish.
17:54 yeah using his 3rd hand
No lol
Gould never recorded beethoven list symph 7 transcription ... wish that commenters refer to it, never happened.
I enjoyed this one too, but for me personal, this is a little bit too....progressive. I know it`s Katsaris thing to ...leave the regular paths.He is very gifted, has a deep understanding of the music and is an enrichment for the art.I think this isnt the Liszt version too, he added a lot of own stuff.
But in this case here, I enjoy the Gould recording much more.
gerdokurt -- Me? I love it when Katsaris, Volodos, Horowitz....tweak the score....make it idiosyncratic...personal...
Gould did NOT record this symphony .
@@frankromano9064 yeah you are right.. I was misslead by an incorrect attribution here on youtube. I knew he recorded 5 and 6, so I didnt question the appearance of further recordings, especially on such a high level.
Thx for correcting me!
If the internet doesnt fool me again, it`s jean-claude pennetier I have to honor for the recording !(?)
@@gerdokurt Harmonia Mundi had a relay team of pianist to record all 9.
That is so funny...becaose Glenn Gould never recorded Liszt transcription of Beethoven Symphony No. 7.... the person who posted it put Gould's picture on ths same Katsaris' recording... ho ha ha ha incredible .. listen to both and you will see ....
There are some bits in the second movement that seem to require 3 hands. Is this definitely a straight recording, or might he be doing some overlaying?
Only two hands, but you need 12 fingers ;)
That was the genius of Liszt. Everything he wrote was playable by two hands and ten fingers. He reassigned some of Beethoven’s part writing to different voices precisely to make the resulting transcription more playable. I heard Katsaris play the E flat symphony live (on the radio) and he definitely did not overlay.
It's playable but very difficult to voice.
holy fucking shit
That's how I feel too :D :D :D
You aren't worth heaving ears!
Schumann and Beethoven seem to cross pollinate- inspire.
What the hello has Schumann to do this... doesn't need added dumplings.
@@nickjgunning when was it written ? before or after deaf ? Piano concertos in A ? opus 54- Schumann
Am I the only one that hears a Mexican jarabe (folk music) in the 3rd. movement?
While I respect the skill Katsaris brought to playing these pieces, this _particular_ transcription has the unfortunate tendency in the third movement to sound like the piano accompaniment to a silent film melodrama. I keep on expecting Dudley Do-Right to come galloping on his horse, facing backwards, shouting "I'll save you, Nell!"
To you, sure. Each to their own.
The solution to watch fewer silent films, and listen to more classical music
@@michaelmarsh3213 I doubt it would be feasible to listen to classical music more than I already do. Last Sunday, I listened to more than twelve hours of music: seven hours of regular weekly programming I listen to every Sunday plus two operas, _La forza del destino_ by Giuseppe Verdi and _Pelléas et Melisande_ by Claude Debussy.
¡Che! Cuando entrás a sondear en TH-cam las interpretaciones de grandes obras clásicas encontrás que casi todos los comentarios son para alabar al compositor (sobre todo si es Beethoven, Mozart, Bach como si les hubieran dictado sus obras y fueran ellos por criticones los dueños de las reglas) y para defenestrar al intérprete solista (o a la orquesta y hasta el sonido de la grabación) y para lamentarse de su interpretación. ¡Es tan fácil criticar negativamente! ¡Parecen frígidos quejándose de la ineficacia de su amante por no llegar ellos a un buen final! ¿NUNCA DISFRUTAN DE NADA CHE? Además exponen su mala onda con una abundancia de metáforas incongruentes quedando impregnados de un patético tufo a resentimiento envidioso. Pero en la obscuridad de su sala ellos no pueden tocar ni el arrorró simplificado.
Aunque acá los comentarios son en gran parte elogiosos. Pero termino haciendo mi comentario de hartazgo aquí.
Mario Daniel Silveyra Y generalmente son anónimos.
4 hands?
+Juan Juan yo quiero las partituras a 4 manos.
+Juan Juan gracias. me gusta mucho IMSLP. La versión de Czerny creo que sera mejor.
esta la version de Czerny?
+Viejo Roble imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.7,_Op.92_(Beethoven,_Ludwig_van) Czerny fue discípulo de Beethoven
y Liszt de Czerny
In his complete set, Katsaris displays a formidable technique but in many instances, he seems to rush the music, bangs out many deep chords and often blurs sections by an overuse of the sustaining pedal. I would liken these transcriptions to pretty much how Cziffra would have played them, bravura!
Amazing on the first, second, and fourth movements, but the third movement is too slow in my opinion. It feels lethargic and lacks energy at many points. Otherwise, the recording is amazing. I especially like the pauses taken in the first movement and the articulation used throughout is superb.
Extraordinary refinement and control of dynamics. Still, the piano is an inadequate substitute for the symphony orchestra. These marvelously well executed performances have value only as an historical curiosity. One wonders why this great pianist bothered to take the time to learn and perfect this particular repertoire in this day and age when symphony orchestras abound?
The Allegro con brio finale is by far the most successful of the movements, but one still misses the infinite variety of tonal colors the symphony orchestra accords. Incredibly good pianism, of course, but as musical expression faithful to Beethoven's intent it's largely a waste of effort,
In fact, the piano isn't a substitute for a symphony orchestra and taking these transcriptions for a mere substitute is a big mistake. They become an artwork in their own. In the 19th century, piano versions of everything were very common and the way to get to know or access operas, symphonies and other orchestral works - like the engravings helped to popularize paintings. Besides, many composers drafted their symphonies first on the piano, to make the orchestration later. Playing a symphony on the piano is somewhat like getting closer to the composers process and helps, very often, to understand better the structure of the whole composition.
Hyramess Hiramess With respect it seems to me that you are missing the value of transcribing a symphony in the first place. Even if Liszt's intention was to simply allow a single person to present the symphony, which is unlikely, that wouldn't mean that one should judge the work solely for it's success in replicating the orchestral version. Your statement about the piano being a poor substitute is, and again I say this with respect, so obvious that it's daft. Of course the piano can't substitute for an orchestra (it can't even "substitute" for a quartet). That inadequacy is, on the contrary, what is so valuable. The piano's very limitations make transcription worthwhile and intriguing in the first place. Those limitations force the transcriber to make choices in how he replicates the melodies and harmonic structure (in essence the "sound") on a keyboard. Transcribing Beethoven (or any good composer) is difficult precisely because it requires an aesthetic and clear vision of the musical ideas the transcriber wants to re-create. When done well, as is the case here, we are able to see a new perspective on the original work that is both intrinsically valuable and also informative for listening to the source material. And when one is dealing with a source like Beethoven's symphonies, which are an apparently inexhaustible trove of musical ideas and artistic expression, the perspectives and occasional insights offered by transcriptions make them wonderful tools in the ceaseless reappraisal of works that is the hallmark of classical music.
Roberto Carvalho de Magalhães As a conductor, I am indebted to Piano versions of Masterworks to help with score study. Being able to play the entire work with two hands allows me so much more confidence on the podium and in reading the score.
+Hyramess Hiramess damn son Brett Burman owned you lol. happy to see it after that pretentious douchebag comment you left.
that's bad-the piano transcription is iritating though i love liszt
Yeah. Of course a lot of this is just brilliant for a piano, but I feel like Liszt should have taken more liberties with the arrangement(s) like what he did to the Hungarian Rhapsodies and the Mephisto Waltz (the latter is the most brilliant arrangement from orchestra to piano, ever, in my opinion!). I especially don't like that chords are broken, I think it diminishes the symphonic power that is being represented. (Cyprien Katsaris though does things of his own outside of the arrangement, which I admire and respect, but it becomes even more broken chords, and octave shifts)
Adam, the Hungarian Rhapsodies and the Mephisto Waltz were primarily piano pieces, the orchestral arrangement of them came later.
Ricardo Ferrari I didn't know about the rhapsodies, but the Mephisto Waltz 1 was definetly arranged from orchestra.
@@adhdlama2403 1 and 2 were first orchestra, 3 and 4 are piano only.