DLSS vs Optimized Settings Native in RDR2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- How to best boost FPS in Red Dead Redemption 2- use DLSS or just optimize the graphics settings? In this video I do side by side comparisons of DLSS vs Native both at ultra and optimized graphics settings. What are the best graphics settings for RDR2? Let's find out.
Optimized Graphics Settings for RDR2: The very end of the video shows screenshots of the settings, which were heavily influenced by these videos by HardwareUnboxed (almost exactly the same):
• Red Dead Redemption 2 ...
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System Specs:
GPU: RTX 2070
CPU: i5-9600K
RAM: 16GB 3000mhz
NVME SSD
1440p
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Chapters:
0:00 DLSS was a bit of a dissappointment in RDR2
1:31 System Specs
1:42 Ultra DLSS Quality VS Ultra Native RDR2
2:44 Ultra DLSS Quality VS Optimized Settings Native RDR2
4:25 Ultra Native VS Optimized Settings Native RDR2
5:47 Optimized Settings DLSS Quality VS Optimized Settings Native RDR2
7:59 Optimized Settings 1/3
8:07 Optimized Settings 2/3
8:11 Optimized Settings 3/3 - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I've used the HUB Optimized settings since I got the game. My old Vega 56 was having a hard time giving me good framerates, and HUB's settings brought it up to a solid 60 at 1440p. Love it!
Just stumbled upon this video, fastastic job! You looked at things with the intention of balancing the best image quality while remaining with high performance. Something that is hard to do
I feel like Digital Foundry does the best job at this and your style reminded me of their more technical approach. You definitely earned my sub
This needs to be an entire new scientific field.
How come nobody is studying artificial intelligence more!?!?
@@aj2228 i have a friend who studies AI (MS degree) in UK.
The thing about the resolution setting compared to other graphics settings is that it only affects the sharpness of the game, the other settings can change the way the game looks. So I would rather have other settings on max with optimized resolution regardless of if it's native or not as long as I'm satisfied with the sharpness. But dlss causes artifacts, such as flickering lights at night, and blurry textures in the distance like 0 anisotropic filtering.
I feel like this game was never ment to be played at max settings, or at least not with currently available hardware. Kind of a crytek approach to graphics lol.
The lighting or SSAO is definitely better on the Ultra vs optimized. The colors look a lot more natural in the first shot in the shop on the ultra settings, which may just be the FSSAO.
Adding sharpening in nvidia control panel may improve image quality for dlss. RE8 just recently has updated with image sharpening defaulting to on rather than off. The only game in my collection to do so. The picture quality in RE8 at 4k native appears vastly clearer and more life like now compared to day one coincidentally.
HUB settings are great, but there's something about the lighting on ultra that gives off a more subtle lighting fall-off, like the reddish tint added to the wood inside the store. Is this related to Lighting Quality or Global Illumination?
I turned on DLSS, saw too many artifacts while in motion even with TAA sharpening off. Immediately went back to TAA, 5/4 resolution scaling in game and 0.35x Nvidia CP sharpening, much better imo
yeah but fps drops
Optimized Settings is the way to go @ 1440p. Ultra settings is for the future.
How did you fix the TAA in optimized? the TAA at least for me at least makes the game look absolutely awful while moving and I know that not how it's supposed to look
I fixed it with keeping TAA at medium and scaling up TAA sharpening to 27. Fixed the blurred image completely
On my 2080 I see VERY little difference between DLSS and native. It's like the DLSS is a patched afterthought as regards to seeing any substantial visual difference. That's my take anyhow.
Agreed, I also have 2080. I just went back to native 1440 with hubs preferred settings.
at 4:47 lightning only that i see and at 4:58 at white house but only if i really focus to notice difference, at optimised settings dlss vs classic optimised at least on youtube only difference i see is that black cable looks kinda better on dlss , maybe i see wrong
For sure i prefer 4K HUB settings over 1080p Max Settings.
The point of HUB is to have graphics settings that almost look as good as ultra settings with obviously the benefit of a boost on performance.
Well, 1080p and 4K is not really apple to apple and definitely Native has zero problems over DLSS, no artifacts whatsoever.
But ofc using DLSS starting from 1080p native is going to look much worse than using it starting from native 4K.
Anyways, i get around 45-55 fps on 4K HUB settings on my RTX 2080 and it's not the ideal 60+ fps i would like to have expecially for the shooting parts and to get the gold medals for the missions (hard to have 75-80% accuracy on enemies with 45 fps, unless i would use the boring dead eye), but it's playable.
Missed the chance to get a RTX 3090 from an italian store and now i'm sad.
Even the RTX 3090 can drop in the 40s at 4K Native Max Settings though, but 4K with DLSS Ultra should be a 60+ fps experience.
Hopefully the next AMD/Nvidia Flagships can do 60+ fps at 4K Native in this game.
And more hopefully, there is a stock and they are ready to buy at MSRP...
Another great thing about DLSS over the Native TAA, is that the trees have much more context. TAA blurs the leaves into one big green blob, while DLSS allows for much more sunlight to peek through...resulting in some really improved volumetric lighting scenes. Some of the early morning fog scenes with the sun ripping through the trees are simply mesmerizing.
Yeah this guy gets it, some many DLSS haters out there. Maybe the 20 series cards actually do have shitty DLSS performance and the 30 series is actually better with updated cuda cores. In the words of starship troopers: I would like to know more.
@@emeraldcelestial1058 I know this comment is very old, but the reason I'm upgrading from my gtx 960 4gb specifically to the 4060 ti 16 gb is so I can use dlss3, frame generation, and that it only uses 45 more tdp than my current setup, I understand the backlash towards the 4060 ti but that 16 gb spec really calls to me as my upgrade path edit: I also love maxing out and modding in very high res textures
Did you switch the pictures in the first 1:30 minutes? Cause the left picture looks better than the right one.
the hair looks waaaaaaay worse
@@sharkyy12 How? I think the left one looks better by a mile, you don't actually see each particular hair and there are no lines like in Native resolution.
@@Balkancuga um im pretty sure hair in irl has strands and thats what the right showed so im surprised that you think the unnatural left one looks better
I run a 2060 Super at 1080p and am having some pretty bad framerate drops lately, to the point where it goes to 30FPS and just ...stays there? It's so annoying. I guess I need to do some benchmark testing with the settings you suggest. DLSS Performance Ultra is unplayable though, it gets so fuzzy.
Watch this
th-cam.com/video/385eG1IEZMU/w-d-xo.html
His guide gets me close to locked 85 fps 1080p with shader using dlss quality mode with occasional dips on my rtx 2060 i5 10400f.
I could lock to 60 with no dips with my rtx 2060. You should be able to do the same with little noticeable visual difference from ultra settings. You could probably lock to 85 fps v sync like I do with my rtx 2060 but without the dips for a great experience
That doesn't sound right I know it's a year later but I have a rtx 3060 which is about the same performance and I average around 55-60 ultra dlss quality
Playing everything Ultra 1527p (DSR on 1080p monitor) on RTX3070 with DLSS Quality getting >70fps all times. Couldn't care less for checkbording on hair etc. Plays great.
so the biggest improvement I can see using DLSS is the distant foliage rendering. Trees and grass is a lot sharper. This is impossible to achieve even on maxed native, maybe 4K can go close, but at performance cost. In return, we have ugly hair, power lines and birds leaving trails. I think, overall DLSS is very promising, the idea is great and ML is developing really fast, but the implementation for this game is kinda lacking and require fixes.
I can just live with optimized settings and a bit of CAS sharpening instead of DLSS Quality on maxed out settings. I just hate seeing checkerboard rendering in hair.
Same, and the ghosting artifacts are everywhere. Once u see them u can’t stop seeing them lmao
Using rtx 3080 w/ i510600k I get ~60+/- fps average on ultra settings on native 4K, NO DLSS. 60fps is good enough for me as I use my PC as a console hooked up to a 70" samsung curve 4k. The picture is amazing and beautiful at native resolution @ ultra settings and the fps is buttery smooth. There some instances where it stutters but thats only about 1% of the timel.. Over all Native is the best way to go... Now On my rtx 2060 super that I previously had (before I upgraded to the 3080 about a few days ago) unfortunately I had to use DLSS. BTW this is great video.. Im going to try to use that "optimized" settings and maybe tweak it a little for the 3080.. I might be able to get rid of that 1% low stutters.
The optimized settings are quite good, but since you don't need too many more frames, I would keep the Lighting at "high" otherwise you lose some moonlight stuff at night by going to "medium".
@@danielowentech Thanks for the TIP. Yeah I've been messing around with the settings to try to minimize that "stutter."
I also tried the "optimize" function on Nvidia GeForce Experience. All it did was turn everything on ULTRA and enabled DLSS in "quality." So basically its the exact settings I had before but with DLSS on quality lol.
@@danielowentech I just wanted to report back with my results. I've done multiple benchmarks with your suggested settings including the "high" on lighting quality and I got a BIG performance gain! About 40% gain!! Lol. My average was 100fps, Max Fps138, 99% low 70fps.
Unfortunately I will not be able to utelize all those FPS in my aplication as I have a 60hz 4kTV And I get nothing but screen tearing without Vsync ON. I will def be tweaking this setting to get the most "eye candy" at 60fps.
According to afterburner riva Turner OSD my GPU was only at 60% load with those settings (w/Vsync ON) But that's ok I will use this setting as a starting point and I will slowly increase to maximize my GPU to its potential.
Btw thanks for the informational video.
@@edwindeleon rivatuner breaks red dead and gives the 60% gpu limit. You can try without Vulkan.
Youre comparaison make no sens use the same optimized settimg and run them with and without dlss OUTSIDE FREAKING STdenis wich is CPU intensive nightmare go outside run around and you will realise dlss in red dead benefits the game visual a lot and improove performance as well
try turning off TAA sharpening, it'll make the dlss quality even better. As of now the ingame TAA sharpening is gimping DLSS as DLSS is using it's own Temporal Data and not the games Temporal Data
Makes little difference. Dlss looks like shit
@@Madrok7 It looks great.
I have gtx 1080 after Dlss update I think about change to 2060s but when I see that I change my mind Thanks
i didnt see the break ups in the powerlines
I run at 3840x1600 on a 3080 ti maximum settings getting the avg of around 76fps with quality dlss running at the higher resolution seems to solve alot of your checkboard problems that you are getting at 2560x1440
Afaik the game was made with the 4K of consoles in mind.
Im waiting on my rtx 3060 to finally arrive in 2 weeks to test it out but honestly if they dont fix that hair i would just use the optimized settings and get 60+ fps and thats it i will just change the lighting quality to high because at night you loose the moon lighting when using it at medium
I'm pretty sure the 3060 usually performs very similarly to my RTX 2070, so I'd guess you will get very similar performance to what I showed in the video.
@@danielowentech yeah thats what i was thinking i usually play at 1080p but red dead redemption 2 is one of those that i try to bump up the resolution to 1440p because of the blur at 1080p but my gpu can barely keep up for now hahaha
RTX 3060 is capable of 60+ fps with almost all ultra settings 1080p with dlss quality. And its gorgeous
Excellent video..
i dont see the point of using dlss in any of the titles.. cod cold war looks blurry.. cyberpunk blurry.. rdr checkerboard rendering. u can easily add nvidia sharpness over native n get a better image.. dlss in necromunda is super good but the game sucks.. rainbow six siege, do we even need extra frames? I guess i will test control n metro ... According to *DF* dlss works pretty well in those games.. Btw a 3080 user..
depends on which dlss version. its possible to "install" dlss 2.3 f.e for Cyberpunk. u just have to replace a dll (there are some tutorials on the internet) and Cyberpunk on Quality DLSS performance is sharp + no ghosting at npcs hair etc anymore.
Edit: forgot, CP2077 got the dlss 2.3 Update. No need to install it by yourself anymore.
for me the shadows look a little darker
I am very disappointed by DLSS in this game lol. I just tweaked my settings and forgot about it.
Yeah, I've just been using these optimized settings at native even at 3440x1440.
@@danielowentech Sorry for the silly question, but you do mean using nvidea geforce to optimize the settings?
@@Fenney186 He's referring to Digital Foundry's optimized settings for the game. As in, them explaining what settings to turn down to minimize graphic performance hit and maximize FPS.
@@khaledassaf6356 ah thank you!!
I'm not using the DF settings. Mine are based on Hardware Unboxed settings. Their videos are linked in my description, and my exact settings are screenshot at the end of this video.
how would these optimized settings work on a 3060 laptop?
Like a charm. I even turned a few settings up cuz I had head room.
Dlss can looks ok at 1440p, but less than that is kinda horrible as TAA too, Rockstar did a bad job at making this game to be "4k" when in fact most people plays 1080p. Dlss on this game isn't even really well implemented anyways. I can really play at native 1440p on my monitor tho, I turn most settings at ultra, and change my resolution to 4k (my monitor is 1440p tho) then use dlss with balanced and it looks really nice. . .
They need to fix the hair asap. very disappointed DLSS of this title.
Now try dlss 2.5.1
All I want is 4k60
If you didn't realise that with optimized setting and DLSS quality you get 20+ more fps and much better looking graphics at range trees definition etc.. fexept in Saint-Denis wich performance tank due to cpu limitation then this video is a joke
Yeah these youtube testers are hacks.
And this TH-camr is ignoring this comment on purpose
Whats the point of turning dlss on when its 5fps uplift at max
Tnx for good content
In some scenes it was significantly more than that, but the optimized settings outperformed it by a mile.
The fact that even in quality mode dlss makes the game look significantly worse like the sharpness is maxed to hell along with artifacts. Hard pass!
Stop saying Ultra settings when its not. For actual ultra settings you have to manually turn some things on like unlock screen space and tree tessellation, then you'll start to see a bigger improvement on the fps using DLSS.
"Ultra" while not every game actually uses that word, is generally considered to mean the maximum preset. Some games offer settings above the maximum preset, but I'd argue that is stretching beyond the usual meaning of the word.
Bro . to be honest i hate DLLS . Makin games so blurry ( everygame that has dlss is so blurry i really hate . ) . if i wanna get 60fps in a game instead of turning dlss on . i would rather to go high rather than ultra. at least it doesnt make blurry.
I couldnt bring myself to play with Dlss in this game , its way too sharp and just looks weird and ugly even on quality . The fps gain isnt worth it imo
The truth is in 1080p the game looks like shit, honesly. Nothing helps it: none of the TAA sharpening messing around, not Nvidia Control Panel sharpening, not switching between native/DLSS. Oh wait, disabling DLSS actually DOES do something! In native 1080p the game looks EVEN MORE like blurry shit!
My decision on 5600X/3060? Optimized settings + some minor personal preferences favouring quality + DLDSR 1.78 (its 1440p on FullHD) + DLSS Quality. I'm guessing it's renders the game in 1080 (because the virtual resolution is 1440p and DLSS Quality for 1440p is kinda 1080p I guess), then upscales it to 1440p then downscales it back to 1080p. Voila! It doesn't look like shit anymore!
Later I'm gonna upgrade to 2560x1080 FreeSync monitor and I think my system can handle it. Based on ALL the comparisons (21:9 FHD vs 16:9 FHD / 1440p vs 1080p) and my own DLDSR 2.25 (its 1620p on FullHD) + DLSS Quality bench, I could actually run RDR2 in solid 50-60s in UWFHD + DLDSR 1.78 + DLSS Quality.
By now, on a regular 16:9 FullHD I get solid 60s and it's look gorgeous for my taste, apart from DLSS artifacts (which are awful but barely seen in motion) and utterly broken DX12 in my case. I also use Sharpen 0.2 + igonre film grain 0.17 in Nvidia CP.
DLSS is better with dx12 not vulkan
I have a video testing that on my system: th-cam.com/video/tT6tladpzww/w-d-xo.html
Night time is where you see the difference between lighting quality
DLSS is awesome. You won't notice any of these things when you're actually playing a game.
any fix for dlss ghosting artifacts? ive tried turning down taa all the way but is still an issue
not really, you can try to update DLSS manually for offline play but is a hack/mod/changing files... try what other comment suggest, something I do in a lot of games, just use TAA or similar, render scale to 80% and add Image Sharpening
Yeah if you have a good car try dlss at 6k resolution
Well this video aged poorly, completely fixed now, NO more hair issues on RDR2.
Nah shadow quality is a dead giveaway, anything below high in this game looks plain awful and introducing noisy and glitchy shadows on tesselated surfaces like sand for example
DLSS in RDR2 is terrible. No matter what you do. It's poorly implemented. Any other setting you can do will always be better than DLSS in this game
how about DLSDR + DLSS
i would highly recommend playing with 100 taa sharpening
Weird, to me DLSS has finally made the game actually look good. Native with standard anti aliasing makes the game look like a smeary, Vaseline smothered mess. Whereas DLSS makes everything infinitely clearer and beautiful. Can't account for taste I guess, how people actively perceive their games is a real interesting set of phenomena.
I couldn't agree more. I don't know how people even consider it close at all. To each their own, I guess. I actually had a really hard time making the game look good enough to enjoy up until the point of DLSS. 4k was high enough to counter how bad the TAA was, but that's so expensive to run. I will say that using about 1800p allowed a good inbetween, but DLSS has come in and really turned the game into what I wished it could have been. The skeptics confuse me, and I'd put money down that they're wearing an AMD shirt to bed every night.
@@T1cksandLeeches AMD cope for sure in some cases. Some people need to fine tune their eyes, perception does not come for free you need to actively engage your senses most of the time until your senses catch up I guess.
Lots of AMD fanboy in the comment section bashing DLSS
Same
Pretty much rule #1 of PC gaming: never run games on ultra, unless the framerate is already higher than your monitor's frequency limit and you don't wanna bother spending time tweaking sliders.
But a lot of people would rather buy a new $2000 GPU than turn any settings down lol
@@danielowentech yep, true. It's like running everything on ultra settings becomes second nature if you can afford it. For someone like me that has always chosen to go with medium/budget builds, this sounds kinda "wrong". Idk.
DLSS looks terrible on RDR2! It just looks like sharpness is maxed to hell plus graphic artifacts/banding. What a joke. TAA sharpening turned off in settings makes little difference.
DLSS looks like garbage on every game I've tried it on with my 3070ti, with like 5-10fps gains at the most.... It's garbage
Your CPU is horrible, switch to a better CPU and check. Maybe AMD didn’t pay you enough so you can’t afford it
I dont know why I'm bothering to reply but here goes: the tests are running on the same cpu. There are a few minor spots in Saint Denis where there is a cpu limit reached, but this lowers the performance of the optimized settings more than dlss since higher fps reaches a cpu bottleneck first. If anything a stronger cpu would show a further lead for optimizing the settings.
I really like dlss by the way, it just happens to make the hair look worse in this game.
Dlss fixes the bears smearing into a muddy mess in motion. Big win