Awesome video Jimmy! This was fun to watch. You’re both great competitive drivers on the track IRL, so it’s cool to see you drive the wheels off these modern classics while comparing them in sim. Shoot out format was entertaining too, you should do more of these!
went ahead and downloaded some of the mods, the gto was fast because it was a solid 300+kg too light, the modder gave it the weight of the base model, when it's the vr4 power wise. So it either gains 300kg, or loses 100hp to be accurate. also FD supremacy
We came to the same conclusion. Don't worry, we ran the correct weight, (1775kg incl driver) I think that it still ended up a bit too fast & that the tyres/suspension were the reason.
@@NateLupson ah, makes sense, I kinda suspected something other than just weight was up because it had basicaly zero body roll and seemed to grip way to well
@@houseking9211 Yeah, we lifted the car about 200mm and corrected the gear ratios too but clearly there's a lot more inherently off about it. Probably wouldn't take much to get it 90% of the way there, but the changes were made kinda last minute and we didn't have the time.
Pulsar GTI-R would have a nice chance against most competition, The GT-FOUR depending on which gen would perform like a 3000GT with less hp and less weight( id say the ST185 would be far superior to the more underwhelming ST205), and the civics would have the superior turning handling but would probably lose every time because of the final strait.. Those are my takes
Potentially a very viable video series here Jimmer! I'd love to see all types of battles not just the JDM heroes. Fwd NA battle with Civic type R, Trueno BZR, Pulsar VZR. Wagon battle with Vr4 legnum, stagea, legacy, crown etc Huge potential!
I mean, to be nitpicky, in Initial D Bunta's 86 is supposed to be kitted to the brim with stuff, just with the OG engine. To be clear, I am speaking about the 86 in Stage One, Yuichi states this when Itsuki buys his 85 and tries to compare it to Takumi's 86, he mentions his car is like garbage even if he was to mod the car, compared to Bunta's 86.
Well as much of realization yuichi tried to put on istuki it turned out the 85 was one of the fastest cars in gunma when it was all said and done takumi proved it by not only blowing by iketani but also a S15 with minor issues that takumi quickly adapted to
@@speedhunter7156 I think it's a major dramatization to show his skills though, a completely stock sohc AE85 with old tires wouldn't even be able to last 2 minutes on Mt Akina against a stock s15 before it would just be so far behind, there are just too many long straights really. a stock AE86 can't last 3 minutes against a stock s15 even with the best driver in reality. Mt Akina is also an extremely long and straight course with only a small number of hairpins compared to straights compared to say, Usui pass where there is only a few fast straights consisting of mostly corners and hairpins where a more knowledgeable driver * could * in theory outpace an s15 with a stock 85 and that's pushing it.
As a former 3000GT VR-4 owner, it made me smile to see Jimmy’s surprise. It’s large and in charge. The AWD, four wheel steering, adaptive suspension, and active aero, all combine to make a truly beautiful mess. They look good, sound good, and they’re comfortable to drive. And the handling may surprise some people. Awesome cars!
I will mention that the MR2 mod he used tends to be more slippery then the one that uses the 2J sound. Plus if you watch the Tsukuba races irl, it can go toe to toe with WRXs, GT-Rs, RX-7s easily. I'll always love how much the MR2 punches above it's weight considering it was originally supposed to be on par with the Miata.
I wouldve thought the S2k and the RX7 would be a closer matchup considering multiple different tuned S2ks RX7s held the Maou title before. But that was a surprising performance from the RX7 against the mighty NA2R.
the kunos RX7 is genuinely one of the nicest and most predictable cars in Assetto, add to that a good 70 or so HP over the S2k with not that much more weight, and so far as stock goes, the RX7 is damn near unfair
The Rx7 was designed by Mazda to literally be the perfect touge car right out of the factory, it would get beaten by the NSX and GTR on a more traditional long sweeping circuit but in tight mountain roads it is the king, even in real life, the FEED RX7 is the fastest car around best motorings touge course.
@@jamfd3s788the Js S2000 vs the FEED RX7 rivalry has been awesome to watch over the years currently the RX7 is the champ but it won’t be long before Js claps back
@@Skendybendie The RX7 is my favorite car of all time but the Js s2000 is a badass machine I've definitely enjoyed watching them battle it out their channel.
The battle between the S2000 and RX7 is pretty much exactly what went on in Hot Version/Best Motoring touge battles. Two of the top tuners, J’s Racing (S2000) and Fujita Engineering (RX7) would regularly battle it out year on year on Hot Version, each coming back with an improvement every time. Go watch the videos, you’ll see what started as a bit of friendly rivalry got more intense and serious as they kept developing their cars to get the honour of “Touge Monster”.
This is what I love about sim racing, recreating these moments. Awesome vid man, and fingers crossed that Kaz will bless the GT community with this layout in game one day.
Can't wait to drive my NA1 again. Made my day on this cold winter day. Thanks a lot. Amazing that RX7 and NSX are the same pace! The NSX is still underpowerd IMO.😅
@@Zinul R32 GTR is my dream car (also the 288 GTO, but that's an actual pipe dream). Currently have a 91' FC turbo 2 and can confirm it's a cool little car, drives like a kart, the weight distribution is beatiful.
Ah yes... A battle for the Ages, a few Doritos versus Ayrton Senna 🤣 Also, for a moment there at 28:36 if I did not know any better I would have thought you were Scottish, Jimmer...
The video was a great showcase for Assetto Corsa's physics. The squatting of various cars under acceleration was fantastic. Were these mostly Polyphony's models ported across?
Yes! FD RX7 has always been my favorite. First thing I'd buy if I won the lottery. Sure they're unreliable, not economic, and cost a fortune to maintain. But so are kids, and people have them all the time! Plus just look at them 😍 and the sound they make? It actually hurts that I'll likely never get to drive one. Great video man.
Having just done a road trip through Japan, the only thing missing from these maps are the constant スピード落とせ (reduce speed) and スピード注意 (watch speed / be careful about your speed) signs. There's only one or two here, but they're everywhere in real life.
really enjoyed this one! Really interesting noting the difference between the driving styles, Nate always seems to have minimal input and always seems on top of the car, Jimmy is very much throwing it in and managing the oversteer that comes. Both are amazingly quick though, and I think the cars were pretty well represented, I think both cars in the finale were more Nate's style where Jimmy was able to take the 3000GT quite deep into the competition since he was able to get more out of the boat with his aggressive style.
That was a good run. As an owner it's always a pleasure seeing an rx7 win. I have a friend with a mostly stock 97 vr4, and It's quite a pleasure to drive. The weight is there, but the suspension is firm and has minimal body roll so it feels planted and confidence inspiring.
wow this was so freaking COOL jimmer! watching the JDM legends battle it out, fighting tooth and nail to win each round. that finale was spectacular! GG jimmer and nate :)
I'd love to see you guys do this with a completely different category of cars, maybe American muscle or European hot hatches? It could be a lot of fun!
It’s honestly kinda impressive how the GTO hangs with the rest of the cars, despite being one of the older models with less improvements- heavier, less power, and a gear less than the later model year counterparts that were on sale at the same time as the other cars were. When it came out (1990), the version shown here was sold along side the R32, FC, and Mk3 supra.
Well if you take the ae86 from Initial D its nit really a stock one even in the first stage its been made a proper "Race Car" by Bunta, id really like to see a mod of Takumis last stage car i think that one would be a proper car to go around Touge, i dontt say it would win but it will def rank higher
Yeah, almost everything besides the engine was tuned. Rally transmission gearing, suspension tune, brakes weren't factory either... That 86 was a low power beast, purpose built to train Takumi from the ground up. The other half of that legend was just Takumi driving way more than most racers ever could afford, at the start of the show he has been driving illegally for years.
This was super interesting as it confirms the testing that I’ve done. I’ve been running the pikes peak hill climb with a ton of different 90s jdm cars. It eventually came down the the rx7 and nsx. But just like your testing, they are so incredibly close. Over a 10 and a half minute hill climb, I’ve pushed both cars to there limits. They sit less than half a second apart in times. The nsx holds the half a second for those wondering.
@@humandroid53oh it absolutely is. The RX7 has a fun but controllable slide to it where the NSX could put you into the ditch at any moment. It’s hard to deny the grip from the nsx out of the hairpins though
However in real life the 90’s Celica is King of Pikes Peak, and countless WRC wins. Even stock GT-4/All-Trac Group A beats all (Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche) in 21st century - Adelaide Rally Anyone.
3:21 No. Initial D didn't lie, they made it very clear that the AE86 was slow. But Takumi had mastered his driving on that car and knew it's limits like no other. The first engine was lightly tunned with 150HP. The second engine was a "Silver top" 4A-GE racing engine originally from a TRD (Toyota Racing Development) Group A AE101 with 240hp. All that said, yes it's still slow 😂😂😂😂😂 Btw, that's in the manga's lore. Chapter 75 - Page 10/11 - "Maximum horsepower rated at probably about 150 hp." Chapter 151 - Page 16 - "That's a 240 horsepower high speed unit"
And even initial d made a point that great technique can only take you so far. Eventually you’ll have to move on to a faster one if you want to improve even further. “If you don’t learn to spread your wings, you hit the ground.” - Bunta when he has Takumi drive the Impreza
@@skrublordnord69 Yeah. the AE-86 is a good car for learning to drift/race. it's small, light and has just enough power to be fun, just like a Miata. But since the Initial D franchise is loosely based on Keiichi Tsuchiya's life and he's a big AE-86 fan, the car is put on a pedestal. Don't get me wrong, that little Corolla is a good machine, but c'mon It can't beat all the cars in the manga that easily lol
@@Henry.25 facts. I get they put a better engine in but the race with the s2000 shouldn’t have even been a question. And yeah they do mention that in that episode but he still won lol I will say tho, I’m glad the end of the 86 was winning a race against another 86. Such a fitting end to that car, even if there’s a lot of plot armor leading up to it
@@Henry.25 as someone who recently got into the show, as sadly I never got to watch it as a kid, I started agreeing with that car being as good as the show said. Then I started driving it in racing games and that’s when I saw just how underpowered the car really was. Ik I drove it in Roblox, I don’t have a pc or AC so I can’t really drive an accurate version of it in the same courses that are in the show. So I played Roblox instead. And it was a good two months of practicing and tuning to try to push that car to its limit and my own. I learned a lot for sure, but I also learned that there’s some cars you just have no chance in beating, no matter how good of a driver you are or how well you know the course. I’ll still hold the car near and dear to my heart, and I’ll still have fun racing other underpowered cars in it. But no way am I gonna say it’s viable against the more powerful ones. And ik Tsuchiya himself even won against an r34 but he’s a god of a driver. And even HE says the car has its limits.
@@skrublordnord69 The AE-86 is indeed a underpowered car, but driving a slower car can be very useful, especially in corners. A powerful car can't stay in full throttle on a tight corner so it ends up losing time and because of higher speeds it also spends more time breaking. If you watch Keiichi Tsuchiya, AE86 vs. GTR-R34 you'll realize that a lighter car that doesn't need a lot of breaking power can stay accelerating for longer and that's how you can beat a R34 with an AE-86. But to be fair, you'll probably need at least 300whp on a very balanced and optimized car to beat an original R34 using the corners as advantage points (if you aren't called Tsuchiya). If I'm not wrong, both Tsuchiya's AE-86's that beat the R34 had 1.8L 4A-GE engines with 180hp and weighted 2,000 lb max, In comparison the R34 GTR weighs 3,400 lb and has 290~320hp. In the end, the AE-86 is good at teaching the driver the limits of their abilities and the basics of driving fast, but the car is limited to only this. If you want to be competitive, especially in drifting, you'll need at least a 1JZ with 400hp. I don't know how Roblox works, but I would recommend a 350z or a Toyota Cresta/Chaser mod
This is content that we all wanted to see. Something fun and really not as serious to have a break from the real life content wich is far more tense. I really appreciate Jimmy as a content creator letting us watch very diverse types of videos. I would really enjoy if we see something like a mini series of this with more jdm cars or an european edition of the challenge on a european road, maybe an american one idk. Cheers Jimmy, you always deliver
TBH, in Gran Turismo 2, the EVO was definitely "quicker" than the WRX, but the WRX had a higher top speed--it seemed like the EVO was geared to get to 200km/h as quickly as possible and, once you get the handle on the understeer, switching out the transmission turned it into a 290km/h BEAST.
You should do a part 2 of it! After all, as amazing as all these cars are, they’re mainly just great platforms to do something with. Would love to see the tuned up and properly built street versions go up against each other, if that was even possible in sim.
this looks HEAVILY inspired by keiichi tsuchiya's best motoring emission without giving a mention :( the battle format, the location... i wish you mentionned him because some people don't know the channel and it's amazing (he does it irl for people who don't know)
Format here is brilliant and I think the idea of "which one of the things that were cool is best", kinda resolving the arguments we had as children and teens.
this was just as entertaining to watch the actual togue with Keichi san and their crazy commentary! LOVED THIS ONE! Should do more like this, JIMMY'S TOGUE!
Is it just me or jimmy sent his cars too much, sliding and understeering as a result, compared to more patient but grippy style Nate employed ? Because his driving was SMOOOTH
to be completely honest the AE86 in Initial D wasnt stock to begin with, even in the first stage, the engine was tuned the best it could've been, had a rally gearbox and good suspension so the anime didnt lie, you didnt do your research, best regards :)
That was an awesome video! Would love to see more in this style. Maybe an 80s JDM showdown (MX-5, R32 GT-R, older Supra and RX-7), or take some cool European or American cars.
Given the MX-5 debuted in '89, I think it belonged in this video rather than your (great!) idea. Add the Celica as well, maybe have it race a Supra in the first round to show the evolution of the car.
One of your best videos so far Jimmy, that was so cool seeing these JDM legends get put through their paces. Here in NZ we had all these cars (well, versions of them at least); only the NSX was always a rare beast but the others you'd see pretty much daily 20-25 years ago; lower spec versions in most cases obviously but many had been tuned to within an inch of their existences. Crazy how times have changed.
Awesome video, loved this one! Super exciting battles every minute. Would be great to see this with a different selection of cars. Hot hatches, Lamborghini vs Ferrari ect.
Whenever I hear someone say Initial D claims th AE86 is the fastest car, I assume they either haven't actually watched Initial D or they weren't paying attention. Takumi wins most of his races because he's a better driver and occasionally does batshit insane maneuvers on narrow mountain roads that his opponents are afraid to try. Even then, he ends up losing to a Lancer Evo - not because the driver is that much better than Takumi, just because the AE86 can't keep up. For the rest of the series after the loss to the Evo the 86 is far from being stock, and Takumi's dad has used his connections to basically make the inside of the car unrecognizable as an 86.
Honestly, the AE86, Silvia and MR2 are just cars from a totally different price category. You should have balanced them by tuning. Or just use Celica with race specs, Silvia S15, and the MR2 Spyder techno pro spirit.
In all honesty, Jimmy, scientifically the only thing this video proves, besides that you love driving the Touge, is that Nate's better at doing so than you are.
I have a feeling that Nate is a better driver than Jimmy. He's a lot smoother with the steering and seems like he knows the track better. The results might be biased.
Really good one, you radiate joy when your doing this type of stuff jimmy. 🤩Next time maybe worth doing the "time attack" thing they where doing before the race ?🤔 And obviously you cannot satisfy everyone but i think it would be interesting to see those car in a round 2 : -Honda Civic ek9 type R -Honda Integra type R (JDM DC2 or DC5) -Nissan Pulsar GTIR -Nissan Skyline R32 GTR (maybe, just because lighter than the R34 ? or the 400R) -Nissan S13 Type X or S15 Spec R (maybe too similar to the S14 ?) -Toyota Celica GT-four -Mazda RX7 FC -Subaru Impreza WRX STI (mutiple versions... 22B, S204...) -Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX -Mazda 323 GTR -.... Probably a lot more i forgot
Knew it, owning currently a Honda Accord an a Toyota Corolla, I am by no means a Mazda fan. Quite the opposite, hate their built quality in my Job... But I always knew the RX-7 was going to win. I did a lot of testing in these cars on Imola, creating an art-styled leaderboard and whilst the Supra and R34 are extremely close, the RX-7 is miles and shoulder above the other two.
@@opmike343not sure on active/adaptive suspension, but it has capabilities for active awd, active aero, and 4 wheel steering, the first and last ones are even featured on vanilla cars (R34 and 911GT3RS are the main examples coming to mind)
To be frank it's not a surprise. FD3S has those sweet RPMs that you can rev into oblivion it gives so much room to breath compared to more typical engines and it really is a well balanced car. NSX I feel could perform better at the hands of someone more experienced, MR cars have some serious skill requirement to pull it off. I think they should've swapped cars after the first battle and do another one this way. Would make for a more "objective" result. A fun video.
Yup as a FD enjoyer the nsx should've won Both are very revvy engines btw the rotarys just happen to have peak torque near limiter Idk the power band of the nsx But ik na v6 with vtec it should be the same both are revvy but Mid engine rwd is a bit tricky while front mid engine rx7 is predictable and can be tossed in the corners like nobody's business still They're both of my dream jdm cars cuz of this
More power and stiffer more track oriented suspension of the nsx plays to it's advantage while fd has the boost in straights and handling with the 50/50 weight distribution Both evenly amazingly balanced but technically with better driving nsx has the slight edge
I really appreciate Time Attack in Gran Turismo with these JDM cars and their European counterparts. Can't wait to do this in Assetto Corsa too! You can really see the differences in handling and total balance of the cars, even in older games.
Absolutely godlike video, please make more of this, maybe with tuned versions of these cars, or something like one-lap battles on Tsukuba with these or racecars. And Nate can stay as well, you two go along like PB and Jelly 😂. Keep it up and 'till the next video.
Having an Evo IX, I wonder how a newer one would have gone since in motortrend's race the IX beat the NSX on track and the evo VII was pretty close. The Evo VI TME may have got a chance to come on top.
Man, this is incredible content. This is what all our childhood dreams are made of. AC is incredible for facilitating fun like this. I would love to see another showdown type video like this, you could do JDM again but then on a gravel stage. Or go with a completely different set of cars. The options are limitless with AC! Incredible video, genuinely enjoyed it.
This vid was super fun to watch, but one thing to remember is that while AC is an amazing platform for modding, there are loads of crappy mods with subpar physics and performance data. Most of these mods have way more grip, have better brakes or unrealistic suspension geometry. In this vid the NSX-R quoted to have 340-odd hp. Which it would make it 50 more than the car irl.
That was a blast, thanks for having me!
Would you folks like to see more of this sorta thing? I'd love to hear your suggestions. 😊
How about a 90s-00s Euro Touge match?
Watch VW get squashed by BMW. 😅
probably not the best for views but I'd love to see the same thing but you and Jimmy switch cars :D
Yeah I'd love to see more of you two together.
Definitely
And to think, you just got off Twitch at a good time. 😁
One of your best videos, would love this to be redone on Suzuka or Tsukuba in honor of the old magazine comparisons JDM Masters shows on their channel
This format but done on Tsukuba would be so cool👀
suzuka or twin ring or even sugo are great circuits for a jdm comparaison
Yeeeeeeeeeeeees!!
the course looks like hot version's gunsai touge
maybe a bit wider. it's at least inspired by it
Yessss!
Awesome video Jimmy! This was fun to watch. You’re both great competitive drivers on the track IRL, so it’s cool to see you drive the wheels off these modern classics while comparing them in sim. Shoot out format was entertaining too, you should do more of these!
Next on the Jimmy Broadbent TH-cam channel.
Touge racing with special guest commentator Dagogo Altraide... I'm in... I'm so in.
ColdFusion is not the channel I expected to see commenting here, but it's awesome. Love your work!
The crossover we need
What is this guy doing here?!
went ahead and downloaded some of the mods, the gto was fast because it was a solid 300+kg too light, the modder gave it the weight of the base model, when it's the vr4 power wise. So it either gains 300kg, or loses 100hp to be accurate.
also FD supremacy
We came to the same conclusion. Don't worry, we ran the correct weight, (1775kg incl driver)
I think that it still ended up a bit too fast & that the tyres/suspension were the reason.
@@NateLupson the street tyres has a semi slicks physics :(( you could easilt check these cars turning strenght using G meter
CG height is also about 200mm too low, yikes!
@@NateLupson ah, makes sense, I kinda suspected something other than just weight was up because it had basicaly zero body roll and seemed to grip way to well
@@houseking9211 Yeah, we lifted the car about 200mm and corrected the gear ratios too but clearly there's a lot more inherently off about it.
Probably wouldn't take much to get it 90% of the way there, but the changes were made kinda last minute and we didn't have the time.
Watching Jimmer attempt to tandem drift two cars simultaneously is now what I have to see
I wonder how a Pulsar GTI-R, Celica GT-Four & a Civic/Integra Type R wouldve held up in this competition 😉😊
Yeah me too, that would have been interesting to see.
Pulsar GTI-R would have a nice chance against most competition, The GT-FOUR depending on which gen would perform like a 3000GT with less hp and less weight( id say the ST185 would be far superior to the more underwhelming ST205), and the civics would have the superior turning handling but would probably lose every time because of the final strait.. Those are my takes
I think you're underestimating the ST205 or overestimating the ST185 personally.
throw in a Mazda 3 MPS as well to have a fwd battle with the civic ep3 type R, power vs handling.
@@stevieboymkii Yeah, isn't the st205 just a straight upgrade from the st185? Performance should be close to the STI and EVO.
Potentially a very viable video series here Jimmer! I'd love to see all types of battles not just the JDM heroes. Fwd NA battle with Civic type R, Trueno BZR, Pulsar VZR. Wagon battle with Vr4 legnum, stagea, legacy, crown etc
Huge potential!
Yes yes. We need more of this
That's a very NZ 90s car Scene line up
@@christopherjohnston6343 guilty, basically I just want all the best motoring races but irl
Would be interesting to see how non JDM cars fare against JDM on togue. Especially Muscle cars and famous FWD compacts.
I think the American cars from this time would struggle, but modern ones would do pretty decently
American boat togue. Yes please. They won't be fast but it would be quite entertaining to try and get them down the run.
The Ford Fiesta on touge just devours corners, so yeah, that'd be fun.
Boat touge.
The Bouge.
Oh god, all the old solid rear axle muscle cars would just slam into trees all the way down
I mean, to be nitpicky, in Initial D Bunta's 86 is supposed to be kitted to the brim with stuff, just with the OG engine. To be clear, I am speaking about the 86 in Stage One, Yuichi states this when Itsuki buys his 85 and tries to compare it to Takumi's 86, he mentions his car is like garbage even if he was to mod the car, compared to Bunta's 86.
Well as much of realization yuichi tried to put on istuki it turned out the 85 was one of the fastest cars in gunma when it was all said and done takumi proved it by not only blowing by iketani but also a S15 with minor issues that takumi quickly adapted to
I had to make it sure on wiki, but I remembered correctly, the 85 had an 1.5 SOHC engine, they even mentioned it on the show that it's SOHC
@@bencevarga6304 yeah nothing special but proved to be good
@@speedhunter7156 I think it's a major dramatization to show his skills though, a completely stock sohc AE85 with old tires wouldn't even be able to last 2 minutes on Mt Akina against a stock s15 before it would just be so far behind, there are just too many long straights really. a stock AE86 can't last 3 minutes against a stock s15 even with the best driver in reality. Mt Akina is also an extremely long and straight course with only a small number of hairpins compared to straights compared to say, Usui pass where there is only a few fast straights consisting of mostly corners and hairpins where a more knowledgeable driver * could * in theory outpace an s15 with a stock 85 and that's pushing it.
@@ThatSlowBRZZ well the thing is that Takumis 86 wasnt stock at all if they had used at least the tuned a86 in ac it would already have done better
As a former 3000GT VR-4 owner, it made me smile to see Jimmy’s surprise. It’s large and in charge. The AWD, four wheel steering, adaptive suspension, and active aero, all combine to make a truly beautiful mess. They look good, sound good, and they’re comfortable to drive. And the handling may surprise some people. Awesome cars!
I will mention that the MR2 mod he used tends to be more slippery then the one that uses the 2J sound. Plus if you watch the Tsukuba races irl, it can go toe to toe with WRXs, GT-Rs, RX-7s easily.
I'll always love how much the MR2 punches above it's weight considering it was originally supposed to be on par with the Miata.
Yeah that mod has fucked brake balance, if you use tire slip app you can see that it brakes with rear brakes more than the front
Wow that 3000GT is pretty cool 😎
It’s fun to see what they look like functioning properly 🤓
The MR2 was cool too
@@kylelanger8611 HEYYYYY
sounds biased somehow
The maths add up, it’s 50% better than a Toyota 2000GT
I wouldve thought the S2k and the RX7 would be a closer matchup considering multiple different tuned S2ks RX7s held the Maou title before. But that was a surprising performance from the RX7 against the mighty NA2R.
the kunos RX7 is genuinely one of the nicest and most predictable cars in Assetto, add to that a good 70 or so HP over the S2k with not that much more weight, and so far as stock goes, the RX7 is damn near unfair
The s2k got robbed
The Rx7 was designed by Mazda to literally be the perfect touge car right out of the factory, it would get beaten by the NSX and GTR on a more traditional long sweeping circuit but in tight mountain roads it is the king, even in real life, the FEED RX7 is the fastest car around best motorings touge course.
@@jamfd3s788the Js S2000 vs the FEED RX7 rivalry has been awesome to watch over the years currently the RX7 is the champ but it won’t be long before Js claps back
@@Skendybendie The RX7 is my favorite car of all time but the Js s2000 is a badass machine I've definitely enjoyed watching them battle it out their channel.
Very enjoyable video, but i feel like for every round you should've swapped cars, since obviously Nate was the better driver with all those wins 😉😂
The battle between the S2000 and RX7 is pretty much exactly what went on in Hot Version/Best Motoring touge battles.
Two of the top tuners, J’s Racing (S2000) and Fujita Engineering (RX7) would regularly battle it out year on year on Hot Version, each coming back with an improvement every time.
Go watch the videos, you’ll see what started as a bit of friendly rivalry got more intense and serious as they kept developing their cars to get the honour of “Touge Monster”.
This is what I love about sim racing, recreating these moments. Awesome vid man, and fingers crossed that Kaz will bless the GT community with this layout in game one day.
Can't wait to drive my NA1 again. Made my day on this cold winter day. Thanks a lot. Amazing that RX7 and NSX are the same pace! The NSX is still underpowerd IMO.😅
Togue is so needed in GT7.
Fr I would be playing for hours and hours
I would like to have seen R32 GTR vs RX-7 FC to close out the bracket, but this was very entertaining!
Two of the coolest jdms imo
@@Zinul R32 GTR is my dream car (also the 288 GTO, but that's an actual pipe dream).
Currently have a 91' FC turbo 2 and can confirm it's a cool little car, drives like a kart, the weight distribution is beatiful.
Ah yes... A battle for the Ages, a few Doritos versus Ayrton Senna 🤣
Also, for a moment there at 28:36 if I did not know any better I would have thought you were Scottish, Jimmer...
I remember pushing that GTO to over 400 kph with tuning in Gran Turismo back in the day - until it took off on the oval. That car was properly fast.
Great video, even better t shirt, GGs!
25:06 only Jimmy can start an actual fire in a simulation game. 😂
Me a Supra MK3 owner, wondering where the frick my car is 😅
It’s secretly the best one
A rocket ship when tuned but no good for twisty stuff.
@@v4skunk739 I fully agree on that one. Feels like an old 70's US car in corners🤣
Shut up
It was getting smoked by the S14
The video was a great showcase for Assetto Corsa's physics. The squatting of various cars under acceleration was fantastic. Were these mostly Polyphony's models ported across?
Nope these are community made mods
no lol most of these cars either converted from GT or Forza@@mtnmoo
Yes! FD RX7 has always been my favorite. First thing I'd buy if I won the lottery. Sure they're unreliable, not economic, and cost a fortune to maintain. But so are kids, and people have them all the time! Plus just look at them 😍 and the sound they make? It actually hurts that I'll likely never get to drive one. Great video man.
Having just done a road trip through Japan, the only thing missing from these maps are the constant スピード落とせ (reduce speed) and スピード注意 (watch speed / be careful about your speed) signs. There's only one or two here, but they're everywhere in real life.
really enjoyed this one! Really interesting noting the difference between the driving styles, Nate always seems to have minimal input and always seems on top of the car, Jimmy is very much throwing it in and managing the oversteer that comes. Both are amazingly quick though, and I think the cars were pretty well represented, I think both cars in the finale were more Nate's style where Jimmy was able to take the 3000GT quite deep into the competition since he was able to get more out of the boat with his aggressive style.
I’m curious to know what would be the results if it was a time trial instead of
I thoroughly enjoyed this! Hope to see more!
That was a good run. As an owner it's always a pleasure seeing an rx7 win. I have a friend with a mostly stock 97 vr4, and It's quite a pleasure to drive. The weight is there, but the suspension is firm and has minimal body roll so it feels planted and confidence inspiring.
wow this was so freaking COOL jimmer! watching the JDM legends battle it out, fighting tooth and nail to win each round. that finale was spectacular! GG jimmer and nate :)
I'd love to see you guys do this with a completely different category of cars, maybe American muscle or European hot hatches? It could be a lot of fun!
that particular r34 AC car is a bit of a handful. i tend to enjoy the default r34 from kunos more but no clue if its faster than this one
So proud of the NSX. No fancy tech, just balance, and a solid engine.
I would have loved to see an ek9 type R thrown into the mix
It’s honestly kinda impressive how the GTO hangs with the rest of the cars, despite being one of the older models with less improvements- heavier, less power, and a gear less than the later model year counterparts that were on sale at the same time as the other cars were. When it came out (1990), the version shown here was sold along side the R32, FC, and Mk3 supra.
The Model they had gave it to much grip. They also had to fix weight and suspension issues. So disregard the Mitsubishi it was a poor model.
I think there's a skill issue, Anime would never lie to us
Well if you take the ae86 from Initial D its nit really a stock one even in the first stage its been made a proper "Race Car" by Bunta, id really like to see a mod of Takumis last stage car i think that one would be a proper car to go around Touge, i dontt say it would win but it will def rank higher
Yeah, almost everything besides the engine was tuned. Rally transmission gearing, suspension tune, brakes weren't factory either... That 86 was a low power beast, purpose built to train Takumi from the ground up. The other half of that legend was just Takumi driving way more than most racers ever could afford, at the start of the show he has been driving illegally for years.
I think the 86 tuned or whatever its called in AC is that. It's the fastest car on all these servers
@@pentilex4338 well yeah even if they used that it would already been much higher in place
That Nate guy is such a clean driver (in comparison!)
Well done! Gotta say I'm impressed, and it's exactly what I needed to see after working on the Spirit R's wiring diagrams all day.
This was super interesting as it confirms the testing that I’ve done. I’ve been running the pikes peak hill climb with a ton of different 90s jdm cars. It eventually came down the the rx7 and nsx. But just like your testing, they are so incredibly close. Over a 10 and a half minute hill climb, I’ve pushed both cars to there limits. They sit less than half a second apart in times. The nsx holds the half a second for those wondering.
The RX7 looks more controllable though.
@@humandroid53oh it absolutely is. The RX7 has a fun but controllable slide to it where the NSX could put you into the ditch at any moment. It’s hard to deny the grip from the nsx out of the hairpins though
However in real life the 90’s Celica is King of Pikes Peak, and countless WRC wins. Even stock GT-4/All-Trac Group A beats all (Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche) in 21st century - Adelaide Rally Anyone.
The ae86 in initial D was never stock... but it was also never fast :P
What a fun use of sim rigs, this was very entertaining!
No MX-5 or Civic Type-R? I call shenanigans. :)
As for the cars, the GOAT is a magnificent sporty barge.
as a miata owner imma be honest its not getting a single round
3:21 No. Initial D didn't lie, they made it very clear that the AE86 was slow. But Takumi had mastered his driving on that car and knew it's limits like no other.
The first engine was lightly tunned with 150HP.
The second engine was a "Silver top" 4A-GE racing engine originally from a TRD (Toyota Racing Development) Group A AE101 with 240hp.
All that said, yes it's still slow 😂😂😂😂😂
Btw, that's in the manga's lore.
Chapter 75 - Page 10/11 - "Maximum horsepower rated at probably about 150 hp."
Chapter 151 - Page 16 - "That's a 240 horsepower high speed unit"
And even initial d made a point that great technique can only take you so far. Eventually you’ll have to move on to a faster one if you want to improve even further.
“If you don’t learn to spread your wings, you hit the ground.” - Bunta when he has Takumi drive the Impreza
@@skrublordnord69 Yeah. the AE-86 is a good car for learning to drift/race. it's small, light and has just enough power to be fun, just like a Miata.
But since the Initial D franchise is loosely based on Keiichi Tsuchiya's life and he's a big AE-86 fan, the car is put on a pedestal.
Don't get me wrong, that little Corolla is a good machine, but c'mon It can't beat all the cars in the manga that easily lol
@@Henry.25 facts. I get they put a better engine in but the race with the s2000 shouldn’t have even been a question. And yeah they do mention that in that episode but he still won lol
I will say tho, I’m glad the end of the 86 was winning a race against another 86. Such a fitting end to that car, even if there’s a lot of plot armor leading up to it
@@Henry.25 as someone who recently got into the show, as sadly I never got to watch it as a kid, I started agreeing with that car being as good as the show said. Then I started driving it in racing games and that’s when I saw just how underpowered the car really was. Ik I drove it in Roblox, I don’t have a pc or AC so I can’t really drive an accurate version of it in the same courses that are in the show. So I played Roblox instead. And it was a good two months of practicing and tuning to try to push that car to its limit and my own. I learned a lot for sure, but I also learned that there’s some cars you just have no chance in beating, no matter how good of a driver you are or how well you know the course.
I’ll still hold the car near and dear to my heart, and I’ll still have fun racing other underpowered cars in it. But no way am I gonna say it’s viable against the more powerful ones. And ik Tsuchiya himself even won against an r34 but he’s a god of a driver. And even HE says the car has its limits.
@@skrublordnord69 The AE-86 is indeed a underpowered car, but driving a slower car can be very useful, especially in corners. A powerful car can't stay in full throttle on a tight corner so it ends up losing time and because of higher speeds it also spends more time breaking.
If you watch Keiichi Tsuchiya, AE86 vs. GTR-R34 you'll realize that a lighter car that doesn't need a lot of breaking power can stay accelerating for longer and that's how you can beat a R34 with an AE-86.
But to be fair, you'll probably need at least 300whp on a very balanced and optimized car to beat an original R34 using the corners as advantage points (if you aren't called Tsuchiya).
If I'm not wrong, both Tsuchiya's AE-86's that beat the R34 had 1.8L 4A-GE engines with 180hp and weighted 2,000 lb max, In comparison the R34 GTR weighs 3,400 lb and has 290~320hp.
In the end, the AE-86 is good at teaching the driver the limits of their abilities and the basics of driving fast, but the car is limited to only this. If you want to be competitive, especially in drifting, you'll need at least a 1JZ with 400hp.
I don't know how Roblox works, but I would recommend a 350z or a Toyota Cresta/Chaser mod
This is content that we all wanted to see. Something fun and really not as serious to have a break from the real life content wich is far more tense. I really appreciate Jimmy as a content creator letting us watch very diverse types of videos. I would really enjoy if we see something like a mini series of this with more jdm cars or an european edition of the challenge on a european road, maybe an american one idk. Cheers Jimmy, you always deliver
TBH, in Gran Turismo 2, the EVO was definitely "quicker" than the WRX, but the WRX had a higher top speed--it seemed like the EVO was geared to get to 200km/h as quickly as possible and, once you get the handle on the understeer, switching out the transmission turned it into a 290km/h BEAST.
13:49 The Impreza with the ULTRA RARE no hand strat
“The anime lied to us”
Driving a bone stock AE86, whereas the AE86 in the anime was heavily tuned.
*content*
And just like in Initial D, the RX7 wins against the skyline twice and then wins against the nsx due to a error made by the honda driver!
nice upload timing of the jdm themed vids, misha dropped an RX-8 lap at the ring, now we need superGT to drop a jdm themed vid today
Also in defense of initial D, the main character never drove a stock 86, pops had him in a sleeper since the start
the subtle addition of the This Vs That music when the R34 got resurrected was very appreciated, just thought you should know that.
You should do a part 2 of it! After all, as amazing as all these cars are, they’re mainly just great platforms to do something with. Would love to see the tuned up and properly built street versions go up against each other, if that was even possible in sim.
Putting the S2000 with the SW20 would've been better as they're more equal in terms of power, weight, both convertibles.
Absolutely loved this one!! If only the S2k had a snail attatched or even a set of trumpets maybe we'd have an all honda final
this looks HEAVILY inspired by keiichi tsuchiya's best motoring emission without giving a mention :( the battle format, the location... i wish you mentionned him because some people don't know the channel and it's amazing (he does it irl for people who don't know)
Trust me if they are real jdm fans they def know about that especially if they know KT
He mentioned him in other touge videos, he dosen t have to mention him everytime
Seeing as it's no longer 2013, youtubers aren't obligated to reference the DK every 5 seconds anymore.
Format here is brilliant and I think the idea of "which one of the things that were cool is best", kinda resolving the arguments we had as children and teens.
honestly, would be pretty awesome to see this sort of thing through various car eras/type, 60s muscle cars, modern grocery getters, etc
this was just as entertaining to watch the actual togue with Keichi san and their crazy commentary! LOVED THIS ONE! Should do more like this, JIMMY'S TOGUE!
Best Motoring: Broadbent edition.
NANI?!
Is it just me or jimmy sent his cars too much, sliding and understeering as a result, compared to more patient but grippy style Nate employed ? Because his driving was SMOOOTH
That sake woulda been spilt EVERYWHERE lmao. Doin Takumi Fujiwara no justice.
11:35 was such a good shot
to be completely honest the AE86 in Initial D wasnt stock to begin with, even in the first stage, the engine was tuned the best it could've been, had a rally gearbox and good suspension
so the anime didnt lie, you didnt do your research, best regards :)
In true Gran Turismo nightmare fuel fashion, the Lan E is canary yellow.
im blaming operator error for the Subaru losing, Jimmy did the lesbians dirty with this one
That was an awesome video! Would love to see more in this style. Maybe an 80s JDM showdown (MX-5, R32 GT-R, older Supra and RX-7), or take some cool European or American cars.
Given the MX-5 debuted in '89, I think it belonged in this video rather than your (great!) idea. Add the Celica as well, maybe have it race a Supra in the first round to show the evolution of the car.
why didnt he have it in this video? it says every JDM car but it wasnt
@@JeanPaulConnock
Definitely do more of this! I love car comparisons, it tickles the car magazine part of my brain.
No Civic, Eunos Roadster, Celica?!
NA Miata wouldve been a much better pairing against an 86
And then you could match the Silvia with the mr2
One of your best videos so far Jimmy, that was so cool seeing these JDM legends get put through their paces. Here in NZ we had all these cars (well, versions of them at least); only the NSX was always a rare beast but the others you'd see pretty much daily 20-25 years ago; lower spec versions in most cases obviously but many had been tuned to within an inch of their existences. Crazy how times have changed.
Awesome video, loved this one! Super exciting battles every minute. Would be great to see this with a different selection of cars. Hot hatches, Lamborghini vs Ferrari ect.
Loved this showdown! What a cool thing to be able to do in sim. Huzzah!
Whenever I hear someone say Initial D claims th AE86 is the fastest car, I assume they either haven't actually watched Initial D or they weren't paying attention.
Takumi wins most of his races because he's a better driver and occasionally does batshit insane maneuvers on narrow mountain roads that his opponents are afraid to try. Even then, he ends up losing to a Lancer Evo - not because the driver is that much better than Takumi, just because the AE86 can't keep up.
For the rest of the series after the loss to the Evo the 86 is far from being stock, and Takumi's dad has used his connections to basically make the inside of the car unrecognizable as an 86.
It’s a joke😑
that was a great video. i would like to see something similar done with American muscle.
Honestly, the AE86, Silvia and MR2 are just cars from a totally different price category. You should have balanced them by tuning. Or just use Celica with race specs, Silvia S15, and the MR2 Spyder techno pro spirit.
well to be fair, takumi's 86 in initial d wasn't even stock
In all honesty, Jimmy, scientifically the only thing this video proves, besides that you love driving the Touge, is that Nate's better at doing so than you are.
ngl I was half expecting to see a civic vs celica showdown but this was awesome to watch regardless
I have a feeling that Nate is a better driver than Jimmy. He's a lot smoother with the steering and seems like he knows the track better. The results might be biased.
Since I didn’t see the comment, I’m putting it. I-conic - ‘eye-conic’ at the same time the AE86 headlights flip open. Good edit.
Really good one, you radiate joy when your doing this type of stuff jimmy. 🤩Next time maybe worth doing the "time attack" thing they where doing before the race ?🤔
And obviously you cannot satisfy everyone but i think it would be interesting to see those car in a round 2 :
-Honda Civic ek9 type R
-Honda Integra type R (JDM DC2 or DC5)
-Nissan Pulsar GTIR
-Nissan Skyline R32 GTR (maybe, just because lighter than the R34 ? or the 400R)
-Nissan S13 Type X or S15 Spec R (maybe too similar to the S14 ?)
-Toyota Celica GT-four
-Mazda RX7 FC
-Subaru Impreza WRX STI (mutiple versions... 22B, S204...)
-Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX
-Mazda 323 GTR
-.... Probably a lot more i forgot
I dont think the AE86 had plot armour equipped.
Knew it, owning currently a Honda Accord an a Toyota Corolla, I am by no means a Mazda fan. Quite the opposite, hate their built quality in my Job...
But I always knew the RX-7 was going to win. I did a lot of testing in these cars on Imola, creating an art-styled leaderboard and whilst the Supra and R34 are extremely close, the RX-7 is miles and shoulder above the other two.
The GTO had active aerodynamics, four-wheel-steering and adaptive suspension. Maybe it’s in the mod as well?
I don't even think AC can simulate things like active suspension or four wheel steering.
@@opmike343not sure on active/adaptive suspension, but it has capabilities for active awd, active aero, and 4 wheel steering, the first and last ones are even featured on vanilla cars (R34 and 911GT3RS are the main examples coming to mind)
ac alrady can simulator four wheel steering since skyline gtr released@@opmike343
You and Nate should race Kei cars :D
To be frank it's not a surprise. FD3S has those sweet RPMs that you can rev into oblivion it gives so much room to breath compared to more typical engines and it really is a well balanced car. NSX I feel could perform better at the hands of someone more experienced, MR cars have some serious skill requirement to pull it off. I think they should've swapped cars after the first battle and do another one this way. Would make for a more "objective" result. A fun video.
Yup as a FD enjoyer the nsx should've won
Both are very revvy engines btw the rotarys just happen to have peak torque near limiter
Idk the power band of the nsx
But ik na v6 with vtec it should be the same both are revvy but
Mid engine rwd is a bit tricky while front mid engine rx7 is predictable and can be tossed in the corners like nobody's business
still They're both of my dream jdm cars cuz of this
More power and stiffer more track oriented suspension of the nsx plays to it's advantage while fd has the boost in straights and handling with the 50/50 weight distribution
Both evenly amazingly balanced but technically with better driving nsx has the slight edge
After driving the s14, I feel like it’d be better with semislicks
this was one of the best videos you've uploaded lately. nate was great too
this but 90s -2000s iconic german cars up the togue
I really appreciate Time Attack in Gran Turismo with these JDM cars and their European counterparts. Can't wait to do this in Assetto Corsa too! You can really see the differences in handling and total balance of the cars, even in older games.
you forgot to put the 300ZX in the car mod list but for the rest cool video
Best MotorNatingBroadbent?!
Absolutely godlike video, please make more of this, maybe with tuned versions of these cars, or something like one-lap battles on Tsukuba with these or racecars. And Nate can stay as well, you two go along like PB and Jelly 😂. Keep it up and 'till the next video.
Do this again at Tsukuba, this video was fun to watch.
Me and my homies love when Jimmer answers questions that nobody asked
Having an Evo IX, I wonder how a newer one would have gone since in motortrend's race the IX beat the NSX on track and the evo VII was pretty close. The Evo VI TME may have got a chance to come on top.
Man, this is incredible content. This is what all our childhood dreams are made of. AC is incredible for facilitating fun like this. I would love to see another showdown type video like this, you could do JDM again but then on a gravel stage. Or go with a completely different set of cars. The options are limitless with AC! Incredible video, genuinely enjoyed it.
Some say to this day they still hear the Rx-7 and the NSX battling on the mountain passes. The battle forever to continue.
Challenge: take a shot every time Jimmer talks about the RX-7's straight line performance
Great video!
This vid was super fun to watch, but one thing to remember is that while AC is an amazing platform for modding, there are loads of crappy mods with subpar physics and performance data. Most of these mods have way more grip, have better brakes or unrealistic suspension geometry. In this vid the NSX-R quoted to have 340-odd hp. Which it would make it 50 more than the car irl.