Cola Ss Hmm fair. I was mainly focused on ethnic and linguistic differences between the three. Turns out Slavs were a big thing in Spain with the Saqaliba. But mamluks themselves were mainly Turk or Circassian so the sultans would most likely be from those two groups. Not saying Slavs weren't taken tho since they were (most notable examples I can think of is Mujahid al Amiri in Spain and Sokollu Mehmed Pasha in Ottoman Empire).
@opener of the world Cleopatra is a bad example because she was a pharaoh from the Ptolemic dynasty which was of Greek origin (depending on the person, you might piss of a few Copts). But with that being said, Egypt is like Persia. You don't conquer it, it conquers you. So rulers tended to assimilate with the local populace to become "Egyptian" or "Persian". Maybe I should have phrased it a bit differently, saying 'Founded' by a Turkish dynasty instead of 'being ruled by a Turkish dynasty'. It even applies to newly found countries. Take Brazil. Ethnic Brazilians are a mix between the indigenous natives, Portugese settlers, and also a host of migrants from Italy, Spain, Germany, Lebanon, etc. Initial migrants may have been different but they slowly morphed to create one identity. If that happened within one or two generations, imagine tens or possibly even hundreds.
Those days Turks had got dynasties and common folks at Central Asia, Caucass, Balkans, Central Europe, Northern Europe, Northern Africa and North and eastern India. Read the Scythians and then Huns, their relations with Greek colonies and then Roman empire and then the massive wars between ancient Turks and ancient Chinese empire and the invasion of Arab empire from southwest. It is all related. It sounds magical as if Game of thrones like fantasy but it is the reality. My mother's side has mix of Egypt and Caucass Türks. My father's side has mix of Türkiye and Balkan Türks. Today we the people are a mix. Colorful nations and directly blood brothers. Love to Tunisia.
Both of Mamluks and Ottomans are Turks. The founders of Mamlukoids in Egypt were kipchak Turks. The formal name of Mamlukoids was "devleti Turkiya" Mamluks of egypt have written as a dictionary in kipchak dialect of Turkish language. In this dictionary, Turkmen version of the words are also determined. Turkmen (oghuz) is one of the main 3 branchs of Turks. Today, the Turks of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Cyprus, Balkans, and Gagavuzia of Moldova come from oghuz branch of Turks. Kipchak is one of the main 3 branchs of Turks. Kazak, Kyrgiz, Crimean tatar and some folks of Caucasia come from kipchak origin.
عبدالله اليمني U can find kipchaks with blond hairs and blue eyes but with Mongolian features. Kipchaks are not caucasians. The guy above explained v well about three Turks branches. We still have kipchak tribe
عبدالله اليمني why we know who is who coz kazakhs have to know their 7 grandfathers by name. It is unwritten law in Kazakhstan and when ppl marry others check that marrying are not relatives till 7 generations.
@Mogaaj Fghgf You are right, any muslim should be like there what race/nationality isn't important as long as it serves the Ummah in a just way and fearing Allah svt. That said, Mamluk rulers are originally Turkish slaves that were brought to egypt back in the day. They were more Tatar Turks if I'm not wrong.
im so excited.... i will be using your channel as a guide to teach history to my 6 yr old... she always ask questions about other ppl and were they came from
The Ayyubid sultanate was under the Abbasid caliphate at Baghdad though, right? Not sure how these systems worked but this means Ayyubid Egypt wasn't a 100% independent nation. In fact if you google Ayyubid sultanate and Abbasid caliphate, it's easy to see the former is a subset within the latter.
Well if you're looking at it that way then technically most Muslim sultanates at that period weren't 100% independent since a large portion of them were pledged to the Abbasid caliphs, but in reality it was just lip service and they were completely independent from the Abbasid Caliphs in all their affairs.
@@veniouse الحسن بن داوود الأيوبي في كتابه "الفوائد الجلية في الفرائد الناصرية"[13] ما قيل عن نسب أجداده وقطع أنهم ليسوا أكرادًا، بل نزلوا عندهم فنسبوا إليهم. وقال: "ولم أرَ أحداً ممن أدركتُه من مشايخ بيتنا يعترف بهذا النسب".
@@veniouse Al-Hassan Bin Dawood Al-Ayyubi in his book “The Clear Benefits of the Faraid Al-Nasiriyah” [13] What was said about the lineage of his ancestors and cut off that they are not Kurds, but they came to them and attributed them to them. And he said, "I have not seen any of the elders in our house that I have realized recognize these lineage."
@@veniouse The one who attributed the lineage of the Ayyubids to Armenia was Ibn al-Atheer and said that they were Kurds Whereas, the Ayyubid kings settled this claim and said that we are Arabs, and we got married among the Kurds Al-Muizz Ismail Al-Ayoubi attributed the lineage of Bani Aboub to the Banu Umayya
@@veniouse الذي أرجع نسب الأيوبيين إلى أرمينيا هو ابن الاثير وقال انهم من أكرادها بينما وفض ملوك الأيوبيين هذا الإدعاء وقالو نحن عرب نزلنا بين الأكراد وتزوجنا منهم المعز اسماعيل الايوبي ارجع نسب بني ابوب الى بني أمية
This was a very good video, too good to only have 5, now 6, likes
Thank you
The crusades didn't start in the 1200s at all. The first crusades began in 1096.
Sultan Baybars 🇹🇷🇦🇿🇺🇿🇰🇬🇰🇿🇹🇲🇭🇺
Cola Ss Most were from Turkish origin. But the ones most people remember (the ones conquered by Ottomans) were neither Turks nor Slavs but Circassian.
Cola Ss Hmm fair. I was mainly focused on ethnic and linguistic differences between the three. Turns out Slavs were a big thing in Spain with the Saqaliba. But mamluks themselves were mainly Turk or Circassian so the sultans would most likely be from those two groups. Not saying Slavs weren't taken tho since they were (most notable examples I can think of is Mujahid al Amiri in Spain and Sokollu Mehmed Pasha in Ottoman Empire).
@Cola Ss I'm not even going to touch the Ancient Egyptian race controversy because that's a completely new can of worms.
@opener of the world Cleopatra is a bad example because she was a pharaoh from the Ptolemic dynasty which was of Greek origin (depending on the person, you might piss of a few Copts). But with that being said, Egypt is like Persia. You don't conquer it, it conquers you. So rulers tended to assimilate with the local populace to become "Egyptian" or "Persian". Maybe I should have phrased it a bit differently, saying 'Founded' by a Turkish dynasty instead of 'being ruled by a Turkish dynasty'.
It even applies to newly found countries. Take Brazil. Ethnic Brazilians are a mix between the indigenous natives, Portugese settlers, and also a host of migrants from Italy, Spain, Germany, Lebanon, etc. Initial migrants may have been different but they slowly morphed to create one identity. If that happened within one or two generations, imagine tens or possibly even hundreds.
@Cola Ss They were taken via boats. Also yea sure, its cool. We're just discussing history. It's all in good faith
i am a Mamluk. i was born in tunisia and my fathers says they came from turkey . who knows 🤷🏻♂️
Those days Turks had got dynasties and common folks at Central Asia, Caucass, Balkans, Central Europe, Northern Europe, Northern Africa and North and eastern India. Read the Scythians and then Huns, their relations with Greek colonies and then Roman empire and then the massive wars between ancient Turks and ancient Chinese empire and the invasion of Arab empire from southwest. It is all related. It sounds magical as if Game of thrones like fantasy but it is the reality. My mother's side has mix of Egypt and Caucass Türks. My father's side has mix of Türkiye and Balkan Türks. Today we the people are a mix. Colorful nations and directly blood brothers. Love to Tunisia.
Both of Mamluks and Ottomans are Turks. The founders of Mamlukoids in Egypt were kipchak Turks. The formal name of Mamlukoids was "devleti Turkiya" Mamluks of egypt have written as a dictionary in kipchak dialect of Turkish language. In this dictionary, Turkmen version of the words are also determined. Turkmen (oghuz) is one of the main 3 branchs of Turks. Today, the Turks of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Cyprus, Balkans, and Gagavuzia of Moldova come from oghuz branch of Turks. Kipchak is one of the main 3 branchs of Turks. Kazak, Kyrgiz, Crimean tatar and some folks of Caucasia come from kipchak origin.
عبدالله اليمني U can find kipchaks with blond hairs and blue eyes but with Mongolian features. Kipchaks are not caucasians. The guy above explained v well about three Turks branches. We still have kipchak tribe
عبدالله اليمني why we know who is who coz kazakhs have to know their 7 grandfathers by name. It is unwritten law in Kazakhstan and when ppl marry others check that marrying are not relatives till 7 generations.
Sultan Baybars kazakh-kypchak from Kazakhstan 🇰🇿
@abdullah fadhel 😊👍
Kipchaks are not Kazakh. Kazakhs are Kipchak.
@@mertcoskun4493 his kazak kipcak even cumans was kipcak
Even back then, Arabs wanted to be ruled by Turks. Mamluks are a great example of that.
@Mogaaj Fghgf You are right, any muslim should be like there what race/nationality isn't important as long as it serves the Ummah in a just way and fearing Allah svt.
That said, Mamluk rulers are originally Turkish slaves that were brought to egypt back in the day. They were more Tatar Turks if I'm not wrong.
LOL not true and Mamelukes were not Turks but Circassian’s
im so excited.... i will be using your channel as a guide to teach history to my 6 yr old...
she always ask questions about other ppl and were they came from
Baybars from Qipchak turks from central asia Kazakhstan ,Qipchak turks is Kazakh peoples Baybars too
Very educative, thanks for sharing
Thank you
Mamluks are Turkic and have nothing to do with Kurds.
This was Egypt at it's prime
wow, loved learning this
Thank you
Good explanatory vid
Thank you
You recommend any books on Mamluks?
@opener of the world I'm asking if there are any books that I can read on them not whether they're Turkish or Egyptian
10:50: Isn't that how the Mongols got stopped in the North, in Europe? They got decked by hussar cavalry and never came back.
Ayn Jalut depiction resemble alot the one from arabo-byzantine war of Yarmuk
Lol ure funny man I like it.
Ps his name is Eddaheer Baybars aka Rukn Ed-in
such a wonderful explanation
They were hard men, they were good but loved fame more and power more than anything
They are Egyptians wr here don't play
Yeah sultan hakim and his Emirs are real jerks ngl
@@chronicthingz m&b gang les go
@@thenamewhowillknockksidown7333 lol, no. They were Turks
What are your thoughts on the ideas of Anatoly Fomenko?
The Ayyubid sultanate was under the Abbasid caliphate at Baghdad though, right? Not sure how these systems worked but this means Ayyubid Egypt wasn't a 100% independent nation. In fact if you google Ayyubid sultanate and Abbasid caliphate, it's easy to see the former is a subset within the latter.
Well if you're looking at it that way then technically most Muslim sultanates at that period weren't 100% independent since a large portion of them were pledged to the Abbasid caliphs, but in reality it was just lip service and they were completely independent from the Abbasid Caliphs in all their affairs.
excelente video!
Good job man
Thank you very much
Mamluks’ founder ıs Uzbek
Kıpchak Turk not Karluq (uzbek)
wow
The ayyubid They are Arabs They themselves said that Only their mothers are Kurds
Hahaha another anti-kurd trying to destroy their history smh
@@veniouse
الحسن بن داوود الأيوبي في كتابه "الفوائد الجلية في الفرائد الناصرية"[13] ما قيل عن نسب أجداده وقطع أنهم ليسوا أكرادًا، بل نزلوا عندهم فنسبوا إليهم. وقال: "ولم أرَ أحداً ممن أدركتُه من مشايخ بيتنا يعترف بهذا النسب".
@@veniouse
Al-Hassan Bin Dawood Al-Ayyubi in his book “The Clear Benefits of the Faraid Al-Nasiriyah” [13] What was said about the lineage of his ancestors and cut off that they are not Kurds, but they came to them and attributed them to them. And he said, "I have not seen any of the elders in our house that I have realized recognize these lineage."
@@veniouse
The one who attributed the lineage of the Ayyubids to Armenia was Ibn al-Atheer and said that they were Kurds
Whereas, the Ayyubid kings settled this claim and said that we are Arabs, and we got married among the Kurds
Al-Muizz Ismail Al-Ayoubi attributed the lineage of Bani Aboub to the Banu Umayya
@@veniouse
الذي أرجع نسب الأيوبيين إلى أرمينيا هو ابن الاثير وقال انهم من أكرادها
بينما وفض ملوك الأيوبيين هذا الإدعاء وقالو نحن عرب نزلنا بين الأكراد وتزوجنا منهم
المعز اسماعيل الايوبي ارجع نسب بني ابوب الى بني أمية
Mongol + kypchak = kazakh 🇰🇿
Kazakhs have only %5 mongoloid dna dude.
Very poor commentary style.
Sorry to hear that
Don't watch it then