Why The Lexus LFA Failed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2023
- This is the story of the Lexus LFA: How it failed to become a legend initially. but today, people are starting to appreciate for the masterpiece it is.
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James May also has a good suggestion about why Japan and Germany's car industries developed so quickly. After WW2 Japan and Germany were limited in terms of the types of military and aerospace projects they were allowed to pursue. So whilst the rest of the world decided to get into an arms race, Japan and Germany perfected the automobile.
They learnt from American advisors and beat them in their own game of mass production and lean manufacturing. Especially Japanese. Now American and European companies send their representatives to Japan to learn about these concepts.
It’s crazy how this car didn’t have a successful start, only to have so much appreciation years later. Even to the point where people claim it’s one of the best sounding cars ever made.
I came across the car in a racing game called NFS Most Wanted (2012) and I said to myself “wait, Lexus made a super car?” Lexus and super car wasn’t something I would find myself saying in the sentence at the time, as I only knew the brand for making luxury sedans.
Same story with the 2000gt. Toyota loves making cool cars just to show they can, and then never making many, so that they become collectors items.
nailed it. as an engineer, I studied Deming and all the rest that helped rebuild that country. It is quite an amazing story. Thanks CL for this. It was an awesome history lesson. love the LFA! I would’ve definitely bought one in 2010 but I was 43 with 2 kids headed to college.
It’s my favorite car of all time. The pinnacle of refinement and craftsmanship.
10:19 . . . ha ! . . I see what you did there Craig. 🧐
Lance Tran wants his movie lines back ! 😆
"Oh $37,000, I can save enough for that"
".... It sold for over $80,000-"
"Nevermind"
12:38 It's 2023, and he's still making cameos! Hell yes
The "LEAN" concept that Toyota runs still today is the reason why you can't get parts for their older cars. That's why people pay 2k for a used Supra MK4 headlight, cause you can't get anything for them. Theres a finite amount of stuff left out there, meanwhile you can get OEM parts for a Mercedes from the 1800's. So LEAN is not good from an enthusiast perspective, but it's great for inventory management.
Exactly. I cant get parts for my soarer too
The look and the feel of the LFA tells me that it should have been the next step for the Supra. If you look at their silhouettes, the Mk IV Supra and LFA are incredibly similar.
Definitely and I think it’s a way better looking car than the body we got of the current Supra.
I don't care what Toyota or anybody else says, the LFA is the REAL Mark V Supra.
It was never meant to “succeed” in the first place. The whole point of this car was to showcase Toyota’s sports car capabilities. Its truly a work of art
Yep, same as the 2000gt. Toyota loves to make beautiful badass cars that nobody can afford and then end them so people can only talk about them and never see them while they continue to make eco boxes
Couldn't they easily make a much cheaper one now that all the heavy lifting is done? I want to see a LFA-F2
it failed because it was too expensive
It’s a very interesting vehicle like it was Toyotas project car that they took the time to build unfortunately that meant they built a high quality vehicle but people were complaining about how come the vehicle came with a single clutch automatic vs a duel clutch transmission etc i mean Toyota even made a machine to make the carbon fiber to build the car out of if that isn’t dedication i don’t know what is 🤷🏽♂️ .this might be questionable but instead of Toyota teaming up with bmw they should have teamed up with Yamaha again to make the new supra 🤷🏽♂️
Also true I hope the next supra is and be a longer wheel base
Here in Melbourne there is still one in the Toyota dealer showroom. Pretty sure it's new, I guess they played the ultimate long game on that one lol
the yellow one along Dandy Rd dealer?
@@liquidmakor6793 Iirc it was white, at the Brighton dealership, might have been yellow
@@liquidmakor6793 After googling, yeah,. the yellow one, apparently it's delivery km's only
it was price and too ahead of it's time!
Hey Craig when are you going to post the video about the gran turismo movie
Only way to hurt a Toyota is put a Turbo on it....common phrase heard in the 80's and 90's after the Supra and truck debacle.
The LFA didn't failed.. people did
100%
a close friend of mine broke the internet with her LFA... she got pulled over doing 150+ on the highway lol. I've driven and ridden in her car it was fun while it lasted.
Does she still have the LFA?
Play stupid games..
I think it was the price that's what killed it. But I really do like Lexus. They're really good cars.
I drove by one of these on the road about a decade ago. It's stunning in real life. Of course it was 'look at me' yellow lol
Hi Craig where did you get the drawings of the supra and skyline ?
Cool video, cheers from poland
it wasnt ahead of time. it was 10 years late. the gtr beat it to market because of their constant delays and when it was finally released no one cared. plus they wanted to much money for it. so it didnt sell because it was old tech in an over priced shell.
The GT-R was not competing with it. It was competing with the 911 Turbo. Plus the GT-R was based on a shared platform and this was based on a bespoke carbon fibre platform with a bespoke engine. You're comparing apples to oranges.
@@traviswalker8933 i didnt say they were competing. im not even comparing. im talking about the overall market. the lfa's release kept on getting delayed and in that time the gtr came out and blew everything away. the video said the lfa was ahead of its time. im saying it wasnt. it was 10 years late and when it was finally released other cars, like the gtr with more modern tech had already been released.
@@adamhayhow_recomp_coach the GT-R came out two years earlier than the LFA. It was more like an affordable alternative to the 911 Turbo than a competitor to the LFA. Toyota was competing in a different market with the car.
I wonder of the NSX will receive similar regard in about 10 years after its final production.
The Honda NSX of the current generation is expensive. That's one of the reasons why it sells poorly
The current NSX is cool & I'd love to own one but there's nothing really remarkable about it. I doubt it'll ever have the appreciation the LFA has now.
You know Yamaha is involved, when something sounds that good.
New studo LIGHT craig??? Alittle bright buddy. Your face is lit-up like a christmas tree!!! Wow!!!!!
Trying to look younger lol
Don’t know why then they are now still the best sounding car, each appreciating in value.
It’s a nice car but my taste in that don’t really stand out. The only car I really liked on the Lexus platform is the IS300. The design is amazing and the performance is so great and you can customize it with no problem.
You can also customize other Lexus vehicles without any issues. The IS300 got the street cred because it was using the 2JZ engine which was being overhyped at the time.
@@traviswalker8933At the time?
@@RyuusanFT86 yes, the comment refers to the time when the car was in production.
My buddy had a nice red manual is300 w cwest kit on it axis wheels on tien suspension. I loved driving that thing
Lexus LFA is amazing Sir! But the torque as you mentioned and the timing were just not right. I have a question? In my dream garage I would love to see...Honda/Acura NSX first gen, Toyota Supra mk 4 and Nissan R33 GTR, your thoughts Sir? And my childhood dream car I already own it, Audi A4 B5...still completely stock but, in 2 maybe 3 years will be a monster of beauty and power...greetings from Würzburg 🇩🇪
LFA will be a super expensive car one day, even more than it is now. Lexus will never make another supercar.
It is super expensive at this point as well.
It's interesting that Lexus was the 3rd Japanese luxury brand, but time has shown it was the only one that was really accepted by traditional German luxury car buyers. Infinity and Acura never really became true luxury brands like lexus did.
VERY nice car!!!! Wish i had this one!!!! Like my 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T TT AWD AWS, it too was ahead of its times!!!! Constantly get asked about it from, i have noticed, the young Millennials and below!!!!
A few from my Gen X generation have asked about her!!!! However, it’s mainly been the young Millennials and younger!!!! God willing, i will be able to buy a red one next year!!!! We’ll see what happens!!!!
Hi man could you please make a video of the blue integra of Mia Toretto in The Fast and The Furious?
Unfortunately there’s not much to talk about it.
The car got stolen and crashed shortly after appearing in the movie.
Look at the value of a LFA today.😂
I bet this whole video will boil down to his favorite expression… “analysis paralysis”
9:36 Um arent most pistons aluminum?
No.
10:36 It's so weird seeing Sonoma Green 😂
Styling on the front was a bit oddball on the LFA hood looks like its not properly closed. Also wasnt mid engine so didnt have the supercar silhouette.
It was a mid-engine car. Mid-engine doesn't mean the engine has to be in the rear of the car.
@@traviswalker8933 front mid ok still didnt have the supercar roofline.
@@CRAPO2011 that's a self made standard. Not really what defines a super car per se.
@@traviswalker8933 ok yes but cant remember anyone saying it was beautiful, the v10 made up for thr styling but damn i cant take it over a murci SV
@@CRAPO2011 it was differently styled. Much more in-line with the kind of styling the Ferrari 458 had.
I still would’ve bought one if I had the money
Considering it being japans first legit super car
5:00
True!
Toyota and Honda are the best japanese brands.
Super reliable!
Always have been!
Even in general, both are part of the best car manufacturers worldwide.
Japan builds the best cars ever!
As much as Japan is know for smaller engines, their V8+ is top notch. 1UZ, VH45, VK57, etc
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The LFA suffered from “mission creep”.
I honestly don't think that because it was ahead of its time or because it was a Lexus played major role in its failure. I think it was its looks. Craig kinda touched it when he brought up Ferrari and Lamborghini. The LFA looks too tamed and not exotic enough to grab peoples attention. Porsche could be put in the same box as the LFA, but in all honesty, people buy cars based on looks most of the time.
I remember when Kyle Busch got arrested for doing well over 100 mph in a LFA.
Toyota hilux with 1 1.5m khm is still new what re you talking about .. at car gr you can find many hilux with over 2m khm on them lol
Demming was largely rejected by US manufacturers ( and unions ) so he went to Japan was was welcomed. As for the US company RCA , Remember JVC the inventor of VHS vid recorders? JVC stands for Japan Victor Company, as in RCA Victor. . ., according to the net RCA had a hand in JVC's lineage since 1929. . .
isn't this car worth almost a million dollars now? why is it a failure?
Initially when the car came out it didn't sell as much they were 375k msrp they stopped making the LFA now that it's a collector car the prices shot up
Popularity and worth does not determine failure/success. Profit does.
@@TylerM1611 It was a limited edition. They only had plans to make 500 cars, and 165 were allocated to Japanese market.
Toyota/Lexus was extremely picky and only sold to people who wanted the car, and customized vehicles for them. Allocation was something like 10 cars for Australia, 17 allotments for Canada, 60-70 vehicles for Europe, and 150-170 allocations for the US market. All orders were already placed by 2010.
And in North America, Lexus forced a lease agreement to avoid any quick sales of the vehicle by speculators. They had no need to do that for European and Japanese customers. Perhaps that is why you mistakenly think the vehicle didn't sell.
Meanwhile, the current generation(fifth generation) MK5 A90/J29 Supra is doing Ok in sales. And regardless, that is a Toyota.
People say that they want a Bespoke Toyota Supra (when previous generations of the Supra were built on already-existing platforms) yet wont cough up over 130000 dollars
Yes, it is a Toyota, but many Supra fans still wonder why Toyota went into a partnership with BMW to build the new Supra. Why use a BMW chassis, engine, gearbox and even much of the BMW running gear in a Toyota sportscar? The obvious reason is saving money, but that kind of goes against the no-compromises philosophy Toyota has used on the previous Supra's and a re-engineered version of the famous 2-JZE would be a much more obvious choice than the BMW engine.
Many of the die-hard Supra fans still think in terms of "go for broke or go home" and they still feel Toyota should have gone home instead of producing the new Supra this way. And as the Supra has always been a niche car with a very dedicated following, it kind of makes you wonder if Toyota did the right thing with calling this car a Supra.
@@tjroelsmaIt's clear you got a bad understanding.
Toyota did the right thing of partnering with BMW for the new Supra(MK5), especially for BMWs tried-and-true inline 6, the B58.
Along with the fact that the partnership literally kept the price of the MK5 Supra low, it would've costed too much for Toyota to "just build a Supra by themselves" .
@@tjroelsmaAlso you mention the 2JZ. You do realize that the 2JZ series ain't from the Supra (MK4) right????? It originally began in the Toyota JZA147(Aristo)/Lexus GS Sedan. While the Supra MK4 literally came from the Lexus SC400/300 and the SC300 already had the 2JZ series with it...long before the MK4's existence.
Y'all call ya'll selves "die hard Supra fans" yet literally don't know of those facts I told you, and the fact that the MK4 A80 Supra was a sales flopped car since it debuted(the MK3 A70 Supra is still the best selling Supra today). And wasn't all that while stock(literally the MK4 A80 Supra RZ Turbocharge trim had is hands full against 1990s stock base model C4 Corvettes that also costed a few thousands less that the MK4 Supra RZ trim).
@@tjroelsma"Why use BMW chassis, engine, gearbox and even much gear in a Toyota sports car"?
Lol, the Chassis was developed by both Toyota and BMW. Plus the generation (G29) BMW Z4 wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for the Supra MK5. Last Generation's Z4 flopped bad in sales. And you mention the gearbox? The ZF8 Speed Transmission is literally in other cars from different manufacturers/automakers such as Aston Martin, Jaguar, Bentley, Charger and Challenger (from Dodge), Etc. And as for the engine, Toyota ain't gonna just spend funds to make a inline 6 engine for one car(2JZ was put in different applications. Not just the Supra MK4. And the 2JZ didn't even start in the MK4 , it started in the Toyota Aristo!). Therefore, the B58 passed the Toyota test which literally there's B58s rackin' over 800+ horsepower (or above) on Stock Bottom End.
Take a chill pill homie
@@tjroelsma Quite a few misconceptions in this reply so let's tackle them one by one. First off, BMW has nothing to do with the ZF8, it's the same gearbox that's used in Hellcats, Audi's, Jags, obviously BMWs including the Ms. It's widely regarded as the best automatic in the business in terms of reliability, strength & speed. Frankly it blows the door off any transmission currently found in a Lexus or Toyota.
I can understand the gripes with co-developing the chassis with BMW as recent BMW's are notorious for feeling synthetic & over-hyper which the Mkv certainly does as well. Regardless it's still a good chassis with a ton of potential, another benefit to it is it's very light for a modern chassis.
The last thing I want to say is there is no path where Toyota "redesigns" the 2JZ as it's an ancient engine architecture with almost zero thought to emissions or fuel regulations & if there is such a thing as a redesigned 2JZ it would look something like the B58, which has proven over & over to be super stout. I mean seriously those engines are putting VR38 level power numbers on stock rotating assembly/block for half the price. The B58 is also considered as quite possibly the most reliable engine BMW has ever made.
If you actually take the time to read about the B58, it's pretty interesting. The block is a closed deck AluSIl from their diesel i6 & the rods/crank are also very similar to that of the diesel engine (hence why they're known for taking sooo much power.)
We just wanted a new Supra with a 3JZGTE 500hp. If they would just listen. Can we talk about the 86 with a boxer?
Who? The Supra comes with about 400 hp in stock form with inline-6 and can be easily boosted to 500 hp with some simple mods.
Sure let's talk about it. The lowest center of gravity car under $80,000 is a $28k toyota with a subaru engine. Its a genius concept, dreamt up by Akio toyota, it is the first affordable FR sportscar with a boxer engine, inspired by the porsch 911 and the toyota ae86 and misunderstood by most Americans who only want to drive in a straight line and merge on the high way. In the new model, in the event of a front collision, the boxer engine detaches and slides under the the vehicle completely, making it much safer, and the ONLY car to get a perfect safety rating according to the new safety rating system in 2022. An incredible feat for a sportscar, which are usually not top safety competitors. All thanks to the misunderstood boxer engine.
@Treaxvour 1. Why does every 86 owner think of a motor swap in the first hour of owning it?
2. The piston heads are not designed for boost, oil pan not baffled.
3. Why not a 2.5 Turbo?
4. Why not offer a 3.0 flat 6.
5. Why not a V6.
Bottom line 2.0 Flat shit. Wheels to small and thin.
Great chassis I should know. I drive it every day.
5.
Video starts at 1:00
Great Japanese quality
Its the irritating shift beep that u couldnt turn it off and it irritated most potential buyers
1972 VW Beetle had a seat belt light combined with a most annoying BUZZER. Dad castrated the wiring to it, and that was that.
PrePan the LFA was as low as 280k. Should have bought 2. I can see myself with the dash out just to find that annoying beep.
Yeah that's stupid. With as much tech in the thing you'd think it would be an option easily toggled on the infotainment system.. nope.
“The best car I’ve ever driven” -Jezza himself
And why does his opinion matter?
@@traviswalker8933.. because of his decades of experience in the car industry.
@@phillydelphia8760 his personal opinion isn't the final word.
@@traviswalker8933 It holds more merit than most.
@@KyCloud69 not really, I would value an unbiased opinion more and there are other car journalists who are judging the cars on fair grounds. There have been many cases where his opinion of cars has proven to be wrong.
420 430 Gee, seems that non union workers are happier. . .
LF-A was such a weird thing, I was there when it launched, it's like they put the starter's pistol up their nose.
Oh god this again ?
The LFA is incredible go rag on a BMW
My dream car . I would take it over any Ferrari , or Lamborghini.
im still upset this goober didnt put the pt cruiser in top ten worst f&f cars.
There was a PT cruises in F&F?
And all cars better by specs were lame and often soulless.
A Porsche is not a super exotic car......you see every 200m 6 of them ......
In Europe, not in US
Not in Australia you don't
@@lotusfanaticBENo, they're all over the place here too.
They're the fucking civics of supercars.
They should have slapped some turbos or supercharger on it.......
Great way to ruin it. If you want a turbo supercar go buy a McLaren. The LFA wouldn't be special if it was boosted.
The USP of the LFA was the handcrafted engine, the digital dashboard and the sound of the engine tuned by Yamaha.
The LFA did not fail. Please quit perpetuating this myth.
It failed in SALES.
Yes because only 500 were made🤣@@samsonCoby
@@harkimo6 Your point?
@@samsonCobyit was never meant to be a sales success. It was made to show the world that Toyota was not a maker of boring cars. They have the engineering prowess to make something special.
@@traviswalker8933 True, yet weren't popular by the masses? Just like the MK4 Supra. That was criticized as well. Hence, low sales throughout the 1990s(and early 2000s in Japan)
Japanese cars never have and NEVER will make good torque. The japanese will never make anything with good torque. Never have , never will
You’ve never been in a wrx
@@johnshukeireh5804 I've been in enough of them. Only 1 was ever impressive. I enjoy showing them my tail lights more than riding in them. wrxs aren't impressive.
Mazda3 Turbo
@@johnshukeireh5804are you serious 😂😂😂😂 a WRX is more likely to blow a head gasket than produce good torque.
My 1983 280zx has 145 hp and 156 torque. More torque than hp. On a 2800 lb car, I'd say that's a good amount.
Oh give me a break, Stop populrising line workers its a job menial repetative task, Thats it..... its almost unskilled labour.
You're right, but they're good at it because they have a culture of taking pride in their work. The American equivalent is a bunch of trailer-trash slacking off all day just to get a pay check.
How is it un-skilled when you're literally learning a skill before being deployed on the assembly line?
Working in manufacturing....I see good people come and go. Investing in workers sounds like a good deal until you factor that the majority are just looking for a check. They take it very personal when you offer 'criticism' of their work. It will be a big problem for aviation if they fail to keep the slacker mentality out.