139 Points fitting and wiring, Insulfrog, Electrofrog and Unifrog using Seep motors with a switch

In this video I show how I install eletrofrog points with a seep type motor with a switch and also discuss the differences between Insulfrog, Electrofrog and Unifrog points.
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[@alanwhite4427]

Great video Mark. Keep up the good work.

[@DonegalDadRail]

Thanks Alan.

[@hotdogpilot6319]

That's about the sum of it, nicely done.

[@DonegalDadRail]

Thanks Andy

[@Flymochairman1]

Yeah, well explained and executed Mark. Cheers!

[@DonegalDadRail]

Thanks flymo.

[@bright3633]

Nice and clear Mark, can I ask what gauge wire your using for the feeds and frog (I'm looking at getting some from a online retailer lol)

[@DonegalDadRail]

Thank you, this is what I use www.rapidonline.com/unistrand-7-0-2-red-stranded-wire-def-stan-61-12-part-6-nominal-100m-01-0631

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Mark A very good instructional video, although the sound is a little quiet (even when turned up on the slider bar!). Just one thing...."7.30 Irish time", is that different to the rest of the UK...?? Lol (Sorry I couldn't resist it, lol). Thanks

[@DonegalDadRail]

Thanks Peter. I have been trying different settings on my mic to try and filter out background noise. Some would say Irish time is always different 🤣.

[@Steven_Rowe]

A great video, I always use electrofrog but a matexofcmine asked about unifrog but didn't know what it is.
It's actually very cunning because evd. If you do use it as an insulfrog you have the one major plus that the stock rail and switch blades are bonded so you don't rely on rail to rail contaact for conductivity , also it means you don't have to put an insulated rail jointer on the v ends as they know longer create a short.
This is better for peco as it means they will only be producing one type of turnout.
The other advantage is the switch rails no longer are jointed so no longer a problem with hr joints.

[@DonegalDadRail]

Think the unifrogs will make it much simpler to wire. Thanks for watching.

[@Steven_Rowe]

@DonegalDadRail yes it will he simpler but if you are using analogue then bother outlet's are permanently powered so my understanding is that a simple isolating switch would be required.

[@DonegalDadRail]

@@Steven_Rowe Yes some isolating sections may be required.

[@alanwhite4427]

Hi Mark, I enjoyed your last live stream. Very impressed with the rolling road, until I looked it up and seen the price. Like a lot of model railway stuff I find it very hard to justify the cost. Would you like to do a review of this and other products at some time. Maybe you could ask your viewers what products they thought offered good value for money. Just a thought, keep up the good work, Alan

[@DonegalDadRail]

Thanks Alan. yes the rolling road is expensive but it is very good. Not a bad idea and asking what to review.

[@davidperrott4502]

One question, when you use your handy little track tester you claim that one side of the frog is dead? just to clarify is it dead or both rails are the same polarity. I ask because if a loco crosses onto the frog when the points are set to the other route it will create a short??

[@DonegalDadRail]

Yes both rails are the same polarity, so if you enter the point against the thrown direction it will cause a short.

[@citizenmilitia1]

that's the first time I've seen someone use momentary switches for this. What is the problem with using a regular SPDT ON-ON switch? I'm keen to learn as that's what I've just installed on my layout, but want to know as if things could go wrong it'll be easier to fix now rather than later

[@DonegalDadRail]

You want to use the momentary/central sprung return switchs if you are using solenoid type motors, as you only need a momentary burst of power other wise the motor will burn out.

[@citizenmilitia1]

@@DonegalDadRail That makes sense!! How do you wire up an LED into your control panel to reflect the current position of the points? Surely if it's a momentary switch and returns to off, then there's no way to see which way the points thrown and there's no current to power an LED either?

[@DonegalDadRail]

@@citizenmilitia1 I use Seep pm1 point motors which has a built in switch that can be used to switch the frog or light a led in the control panel.

[@adrianabbott4623]

Sorry old fruit. I was really looking forward to seeing how to wire up points as I am new to this hobby. I didn't understand quite a lot of what you were saying as you were talking so quietly that even with my volume turned fully up I couldn't really understand you. I'll try to listen to it again and see if I can understand more.
Sorry to be negative.

[@DonegalDadRail]

Thanks for the feedback. If you ever need info or help on anything model railway I do a Livestream most Thursdays you can tune into and ask questions. Will always try to help and demonstrate if possible.