How a mass shooting changed UK gun laws
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- The United Kingdom has some of the strictest gun laws in the world.
In 1996 Thomas Hamilton burst into Dunblane Primary School in Scotland and killed 16 children and a teacher with legally owned handguns. The resulting media outcry resulted in the Firearms Act 1997 which outlawed the private ownership of most handguns within the United Kingdom.
To date, this has been the only school shooting in British history.
The UK currently has only 3.2 million guns, compared to an estimated total of 393.3 million in the US.
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"As a result of this ban"
Gun crime has always been low in England. The ban statistically achieved nothing other than sounding good to ioe public.
There are European countries with far more effective laws like Switzerland and Czech Republic. The UK laws are overly strict and extremely complicated.
Switzerland and Czechia have stricter gu laws than the US. And you have no proof that UK’s gun laws don’t work. The fact that the UK has no mass shootings and lower rates of murder and gun-murder is proof that gun control reduces gun violence and violence in general.
i agree, i reckon in england they should all citizens to have firearms for self defence, just like in the US
@@0IIIIII Switzerland and Czech Republic have lower homicide rates than the UK.
Yet try talking to someone about the Czech Republic and peoples minds almost go blank. It’s very weird.
I wouldn’t use the UK as an example when their murder rates increased dramatically. They replaced one murder with a gun for 2 murders with knives and bragged that their gun crime decreased.
And if u dare to protect yourself you'll be sharing a cell with the same guy that tried to kill you😭😂
Na probably not. We have such a crazy legal system in the UK that you find often the person stealing from you or attacking you is let. So they will be out and the street whilst the victim is locked up.
Yeah like two pensioners in the UK separate incidents but they defended their homes from 2 guys with knive or sharpened screwdrivers. Both were arrested and after public outcry were released as it was deemed they used reasonable force.
@@AntecGreeno83 yeh that was crazy.1 of them I think his name was Richard Osborn was very close to my house and the area is known for having a lot of break ins.i think he stabbed up some gypsy who broke in and the poor guy was put on trial and had to move house and had to have his identity changed. I think the bizarre part of it all which is now they common,is that they said the burglar was the pillar of his community and he was a great role model😳It's just crazy how I the uk If you defend yourself and your family your seen as the perpetrator,therefore you should face consequences. Something has to change
@@ZK_SHREDR he never went to trial, also the fact he moved was nothing to do with the law,
@@jizzmonkey9679 he was still held for murder, how traumatic would that be for someone of that age. The police did tell him to relocate and also advised him to change his identity. Never said it was the "law". Happens with pretty much any issue that involves a particular group ,gypsies, areas with a lot of gang culture. Happened to one of my very close friends. They advise it because they know those communities are heavily indoctrinated in the belief that they have to get "revenge"
Despite the handgun ban imposed under the 1997 Firearms Amendment, research carried out following the implementation of the Act saw a 40 percent increase in the number of gun crime incidents in the UK.
Handgun homicides in England and Wales reached an all-time high in 2000 many years after the ban.
Legally held firearms are and were used in a very small amount of serious gun crime in the UK.
I can't find the statistics but at the time of the ban if I remember correctly, it was less than 1%; I think 0.3%/0.2%. So why remove legally held handguns if they are used in such a small amount of crime?
What did they hope to achieve? A 1% drop in gun crime? Spoilers that did not happen.
Would the ban have stopped Dunblane? No, he was the reason happened not handguns. He would have just used shotguns.
Is the reason the USA has so many mass shootings because they have weaker gun laws? Yes! that's part of it but that's not the major reason, other countries have weaker gun laws they don't see mass shootings at the same rate or anywhere near it. So the major factor in the number of mass shootings has to be something else. That would be the things they really don't want to talk about!
You literally wrote a whole lot of nothing! How is any of that relevant?
It's actually worth pointing out that handguns weren't completely banned after this shooting, Pistols and revolvers are still allowed in Britain as long the barrel is longer
If I’m not mistaken don’t they also need to be rimfire as well as having a brace or stock installed and are considered a rifle?
Nope. Any calibre revolver that is MADE from scratch with a barrel longer than 12", and that can be fitted with a 'brace' or grip extension to bring it to 24" overall length is legal on Mainland GB. The only semi-auto handguns we're allowed are .22 rimfire, like the GSG M1911. Similarly, any SINGLE-SHOT handgun that conforms, or can be made to conform - like the 14" barrel Thompson Contender - is legal. Of course, ANY front-loading black powder handgun is legal. However, over in Northern Ireland, ANY handgun is legal.
@@tacfoley4443 Another railfan spotted welcome aboard
@@tacfoley4443I assume these guns would still have to be registered, surely? The UK government loves micromanaging our lives and that sounds a little bit too much like freedom so forgive me for my surprise and doubt 😂
ALL legal firearms have to be registered in UK. Firstly by the importer, then by the dealer who then 'enters' it onto YOUR Firearms Certificate. Nobody has mentioned non-registration. The only There is no need to have BLACK POWDER handguns fitted with longer barrels and 'braces'. However, they must be 'loose-loading' - that is to say, they are loaded by putting powder into the chamber, or down the barrel for a single-shot style pistol, followed by the ball. Like any muzzleloader, in fact. Remember that NONE of this applies in Northern Ireland, where you can legally own ANY kind of handgun - with a Firearms Certificate, and club membership, of course.
I think the uk should have less strict gun laws
No more strict
You're American, aren't you? What next? Gonna invade to give us 'freedom'?
@@thomas-ng5rmfr, the only people who think Britain should have looser gun laws are Americans who physically can’t admit that gun laws work.
@@thomas-ng5rmno less strict
I’m telling you this right now! London & Glasgow has the highest knife crime rate in Europe, legalise guns and gun crime will be 5x as high.
What's wrong with a law abiding citizen owning a gun to protect themselves? Wouldn't you like to have one incase some hooligan comes at you with a knife, and you know what they say about knives in a gun fight.
Morally? No problem at all!
From a statists perspective, though? Well the issue there is that the concept of self defence aids a self-sufficient population. A government that wants power and control can't afford to allow the public to defend themselves, power and force MUST remain with the state or else something horrible could happen, the people could realise we don't need government to do anything other than moderate businesses and guard the borders!
No
Lots of mass shootings all over the world, especially Ukraine 🇺🇦 these days
Especially ukraine? What are these double standards that the world chooses who they become sympathetic for?
@@nivaneh1010 It's funny. People's attention spans on who they should care for flip flops very quickly. Remember when there was a literal military coup in Myanmar? That conflict did not just go away. It's still happening. Yet there has been barely any media reporting on it.
We have more school shooting deaths in the U.S. in one month than Britain does in their entire country in one year😂
BB gun heavily regulated??? That’s a children’s toy tho 😂😂😂😂😂
Yes it's pretty insane. Even Airsoft guns are subject to relatively tight restrictions. Heck even toy guns are essentially illegal unless they look comically ungun like.
And some want to ban them too
In all honesty they should be. The amount of 4-13 year olds that got shot in the face and caused serious damage was insane
I like how the British media every time they discuss the “negative” effects of gun ownership conveniently bring ONLY the US as an example. Why don’t they make their argument against nations closer to home with far more lenient (closer to the US) regulation culture yet socially similarly structured as the UK, countries like France, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Austria, Netherlands, Denmark, Greece, Portugal, Czech Republic, Switzerland etc?
1 silly billy ruined it for everyone
America can learn something here!
"All the Way Down the Slippery Slope: Gun Prohibition in England and Some Lessons for Civil Liberties in America" - Olson and Kopel. Note: Scotland even applies ‘Firearm Regulations’ to pellet/air weapons as well. By instituting a 5-year renewable licence to own a pellet gun; requiring detailed enumeration of storage conditions, where said weapon will be used, and a character reference, owners are laid open to 'regulatory creep '.
You are responsible for you not anybody else non of this should effect you as you have down nothing wrong it's all stupid I can't control other people the same with knifes cars trucks
A firearm is simply a tool.
If someone can't have access to a firearm they use a knive, machete, sword etc.
UK knive crime is all I have to say to that.
People can 3D print guns or make them out of metal too
As far as I am aware a knife can't mow down a dozen people from a distance in a few seconds, unlike a gun... please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong there. I think an average person has a better chance of running away from a knife as opposed to a bullet too.
@@star_man People can kill people with fire or vechiles. In fact some of the worst mass killings in history were not done by guns. But individuals with vechiles and fire.
@@adifferentperspective4741Bad comparison.
@@isaacthegoat1432 How so?
It's too bad that the incompetence of Douglas McMurdo, the (then) Deputy Chief Constable of Central Scotland Police, hasn't appeared to change the slovenly attitude to policing in the UK. Instead thousands of legal shooting sportspeople were made scapegoats in order to appease the tabloids and slow of thinking. Firearm crime due to legally held firearms has never figured highly in statistics. And those rare incidents where it has occured could almost always be traced to poor procedural processing by the police.
How the hell can america not take notes???
Unfortunately there was plenty of opportunity to revoke his fac and confiscate all he had but like most shootings in the uk all were missed and most knifings stabbing and shooting theses days are gang related usually involves drugs…
The handgun ban is terrible so many people have died thousands because they can't depend themselves so it's not true a lot of inercent people have does because hand guns were banded
Not even close to being true.
Yeah but how many lives have been saved from people wanting to cause harm with guns
yet knife crime is up and we only gave up our guns because we were tricked uet bow and arrows are still law in the uk if u are an englishman
And knife crime being up is 100x better than gun crimes being up. Try again snow flake.
Then it proves that gun restrictions are working in the UK,. Knife crime doesn't even remotely compare to gun violence in terms of the numbers. Someone in the UK loses their shit, grabs a knife, stabs a few people. Someone in the US loses their shit, grabs an AR, and absolutely decimates a couple dozen people. WHy is this so hard to understand?
Homicide rate in the U.K. is around 1 per 100,000, homicide rate in the USA is around 8 per 100,000.
Meaning that you are around 8x more likely to be murdered in the USA when compared to the U.K.
also theres the fact that if guns, the most easily-accessible & effective way of killing someone, are banned then no duh knife crime goes up, it's the next best thing so the argument that "but uk has higher knife crime" has always been stupid to me
and who goes around killing people with a bow and Arrow anyway?
never never give up your firearms
uk citizens have a right to own a gun - its fairly simple process of ticking all the boxes and complying with various regulations.
You have the Privilege to own firearms in the UK. Its not a right.
"Right", No, You knucklehead brits don't have a 2nd amendment. It is a privilege.
And guns cause harm
No, it's not a recognised right here
@Josh Q
Agreed
Make a petition to own guns in the uk for self defence this law needs to be passed and regulated
Good idea
Facts
It's a wonder why America has so many massacres 🙄🙄
It doesn't. We are on the other extreme. You should be allowed to defend yourself within the four walls of your home only without any reprocussions. You don't need a gun to do that.
@@00lh02It's a wonder why Switzerland and the Cezch Republic have less gun crime than us but more guns🥴.
God loves guns
LOL
Why are you using gods name in vain.
@@vericbasilio true
God made man
Sam colt made them equal
Can’t stop the signal
In Ukraine we never had a mass shootings but laws are stricter than in Uk also guns are expensive, you can’t own a pistol . Age requirements you need to be 18 to buy a BB gun 21 smooth bore and 25 to buy a hunting rifle . To be exact we had 2 mass shooting they were done in Bucha and Hostomiel by Russians , the fact that Ukrainians had no guns made it easier
I live really near there and it’s really scary.
thats gae
This very relevant song comes from Australia, where gun laws were tightened more that 20 years ago aft6er a mass shooting. Many lives have been saved. th-cam.com/video/bVsVpR6WKJc/w-d-xo.html
I'm English and I didn't even know guns were legal full stop here
@@SuperBrahimosyou'd probably get a life sentence
You guys wpuld have less stabbing if you had guns 😭
@EL JAY criminals prefer unarmed victims.
@eljay5009Kinda does actually. Why did you not talk about Switzerland or the Czech republic? Do you realize that have less gun crime than us but far more guns? So sick of America being the stable for Anti-gun people as if America is the only country where you can get guns.
@@WillHoward2002 Switzerland and Czech Republic don't have less gun crime though , they both have a higher gun homicide rate than the UK do.
@eljay5009 obviously a country with around 330 million people will have more standings than a country with around 75 million people
@eljay5009Fake stats.
Section 5 authority
USA❤
But you still have Violent from. Take wtv away it doesn’t matter bad people will do bad things
Should the people of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland be allowed to OWN - and CARRY - ANY type of firearm(s) they may wish?
yes any human cept for ppl with mental health issues they should not be able to own firearms but normal thinking ppl yes it is our God given right
No
@@atlas-jri5026 yes
No
@@nivaneh1010 it is our God given right to carry any firearms we wish
I’m glad they are banned
I’m not, it means more knife crime and less safety
@@jakefox589 it’s happening a lot in the UK
@@louistudor1086 is it though I don’t watch the News anymore
@@jakefox589 same I’m too scared
@@louistudor1086 the thing I don’t like guns being banned means I can’t own a 8 shell m870 shotgun for skeet shooting
I like shooting targets and cans the only time I would shoot another individual is if they’re attacking me or it’s air soft/paintball
What UK 🇬🇧
We Are A Free People. 2ND A. MERICA 🇺🇸
Good grammar.
Smart Gun Laws
dont need any stupid ass gun laws use common sense
the thugs & criminals dont follow any government dumbass gun laws
@@evilness6950 exactly and America is the one which they can’t ban guns !
LOL criminals dont FOLLOW ANY GUN LAWS
criminals gang bangers dont follow any gun laws so how are gun laws SMART????? BY SCREWING LAW ABIDING CITIZENS THATS HOW
As a former gun owner I am glad it is harder to get a gun. Things have changed a lot since the nineties , people aren't the same. There has been mass immigration and different cultures bringing their ideas and weapons. Knife crimes are up in the UK...imagine if those knives were guns! More guns means more criminals with guns and as shown in these mass shootings, it's very easy to say 'but I need a gun for self defence'. That is no good if your gun isn't in your hand at the time you are being shot.
No guns=nobody getting shot.
Now the argument about knives. Unlss you are a great knife throwing expert walking about with multiple knives, you aren't going to kill as many people as you would with a gun.
The ludicrously stupid 'should we ban cars as well then' argument. Cars are built for people to get from A to B...not with the intention to kill. It's as stupid an argument as sayng hands and feet should be banned as they can kill.
THANKYOU! SOMEONE GETS IT.
Look up Czech Republic gun laws. That is really the best model for firearms laws.
@Jason Brown Wrong, guns, no matter which ones, were invented with the sole purpose of killing . Then the changing designs are to make the projectile more accurate to kill. In some cases with the idea to end all wars.
Gattling gun for example was hoped by the inventor to take up the job of many soldiers to stop army wars, thereby killing less people...
Hell, even Dynamite was meant to end all wars and that's why there are Nobel Prizes so that Nobel was remember for something other than inventing nytroglicerin.
Going off track here but Oppenheimer regretted his part in inventing the Atomic Bomb.
Look what humans did, made them more deadly so they could kill more people.
Now if you wanted to debate whether guns don't kill, it is the person holding the gun...that's debateable. A gun can't kill without a person (at some stage , someone has had to set up or fired the gun) and in some circumstances ,the person can't kill without the gun.
@Jason Brown
Where did I say in any part of my original post 'design' or 'designed'? I haven't edited any part of since your first message.
I think you are playing with semantics here.
You can't have a design without an idea and that idea was for the purpose of killing.
"what comes out of the end of the barrel, a bullet, that’s what a gun does and is designed to do. Throw a projectile down range."
Which wouldn't exist if it wasn't invented in the first place for the purpose of to kill.
As you said ,a gun is anything that fires a projectile.
The Chinese invented the gun...a canon...for what reason? To kill.
I edited my answer above probably after I got your reply but before I noticed it.
Yeh, thank the lord people are disarmed and unable to defend themselves or their families. What a disgusting comment
And how is there knife violence?
On a par with most European countries and America.
TOTALLY SKEWED DATA
What about Liverpool
Still not 500 homicides a year
America 📝📝📝📝
so before 1980-whatever you could have explosive rounds in the uk?