Firearms licencing needs to be taken out of chief Constables hands and centralised across the UK , the system now just isn't good enough and hasn't been for years.
I'm a farmer down in Cornwall and my daughter applied for her shotgun licence in October 2020 and she not heard a word back yet and everytime she emails them they just say it's being dealt with.
Iv been waiting 8 months for grant,,,igot email today from Wiltshire police saying there's a 8 months backlog and mine will be processed shortly. We will see
Also devon and Cornwall… also applied October 2020… September 2021 I got billed for the application Feb 2022 I asked them about the new medical forms… they verified I needed to do a form (which I did) No contact since
@@stephenbrown5844 With respect, I beg to differ with 'supposed to be on our side'. All Police Authorities in the United Kingdom would welcome the total prohibition of firearms within the public realm, with possession only allowed for members of the military and law enforcement. All UK political parties are secretly 'anti-gun' but they know that an outright ban is not feasible, so the intention is to do it by stealth over time.
The police and the government have always had a knee jerk reaction to any incidents with firearms without the slightest consideration for those it will affect . Like most countries the vast majority of crimes are with illegal weapons but its far simpler and easier to hit the law abiding citizens, just the same as vehicles.
...And the licensing regime to drive a 1-ton vehicle at speed in public areas is far easier to navigate, with resulting high death rate per year, than to obtain a license to own/shoot at target grounds!
Thats because police officers a cucks who are selected by other cuck politicians to dispense their cuck agenda. They are afraid of people who can defend themselves so they try to control who had access to power.
@Mr Mega Bang Bang ! hit the law abiding citizen first, they know you will never do anything about it. Because you are what you are. The masses they leave be keep them content and the crooked when they feel they have enough muscle.
Well call me cynical but I would say governments like to disarm entire countries if people more for their own protection than for the protection of law abiding citizens. Just because a government gives a humanitarian rational for something doesn't mean that's the actual reason.
As an American, I truly fear that we'll be in the same situation soon if the status quo continues. Just this past Thanksgiving, President Biden said "The idea that we allow semi-automatic weapons to be sold is sick. It's just sick." Give them an inch, and they'll take a country mile.
@@samsativa245 Why do you need a car that goes 150 mph when the speed limit is 70 mph? It's not that anyone NEEDS a semi automatic for hunting, but why shouldn't it be allowed? Especially when almost every state in the union has magazine restrictions of 5 rounds for semi auto rifles and (and 3 rounds for shotguns) for hunting. you get 1 shot, and then your opportunity is over... The push to use semi-autos in the field is not for a lack of accuracy, or a need to 'spray and pray', it is to stop the government from further infringing on our rights under the auspices of "well you don't need that for hunting, so nobody should buy it!" (when the 2nd amendment says nothing about hunting). The DNR in almost every state (if not all) have magazine limits for hunting, so even if you wanted to use a 60 round magazine for deer hunting you would face criminal charges if caught. The AR15 is the most common rifle sold in the US, and it is perfectly adequate for home defense, pest control, sport shooting, and deer hunting. What reason should these kinds of rifles not be used? I'm curious to hear your case...
@@dsldarklordspaniard6672 I don't need a car that goes 150mph though? I don't need a car that has an engine that's too big for it to be efficient when constantly going 30mph like Audis, VWs, BMWs etc. I don't need them at all. For the record, if you got caught driving at 150mph you'd be arrested for dangerous driving, rightly so. So i'm failing to actually see your point or case here. Here's one for you, the UK has a homicide rate 5x lower per capita. That means I'm 5x less likely to be murdered by my fellow citizen than you are. It's probably because people don't own Assault Rifles, so nobody needs Assault Rifles to protect themselves against other people with Assault Rifles. It's probably because there hasn't been one single school shooting take place in this Century in the UK... Yet i can still own Automatic Weapons legally if i wanted to?
It seems to me the Firearms section could easily be self financing. My shotgun renewal was two months late despite the fact that I applied four months early. The stumbling block was mainly with the GP who didn't really want to be bothered with anything that wasn't to do with bloody Covid!
Actually it costs far more to administer than the licence fees bring in. The certificate fee is about £10 a year. The systems, office space and staff costs are far more than the £10 collected each year from each certificate holder.
@@throwawaytrash33 You will never change the UK gun laws as it is political suicide for any politician to suggest it. Then if they did there would be riots and would end up with no guns at all. If there was a referendum on gun laws would most likely end up with nearly all people voting to remove all guns completely.
In America, our founding fathers described that our rights come from God, not from governments. Man was endowed by his Creator with “inalienable” rights.
Live in Devon and it’s all gone to hell for our licensing. If you look at the ban of handguns and self loading rifles. Both knee jerk reactions to make it look like the police have done something and appease the public. In reality just putting a plaster over the failings of the police to enforce the rules they already had in place. We don’t need new rules we just need the current one policed properly
"We don’t need new rules we just need the current one policed properly" The trouble is that is exactly what D&C Police are trying to do now and everyone is criticising them for that!
I think you’ll find that the:Police Federation & The Snowdrop Campaign,put pressure on the government of the day,to ban those weapons. It was more about appeasing people,to win their votes,rather than reality. John Majors government banned centrefire handguns (To try to stay in power,after May 1997) Blairs government banned .22 handguns,because they needed Scottish votes to win the 1997 election,as Labour were the top Scottish party,at the time.
@@geezerp1982Then I suggest you write to the Home Secretary and show some concrete examples of how D&C police are breaking the guidance. Or perhaps you could consider that maybe the Police have access to a lot more information than you do when they are deciding these cases. You might think you have all the facts from Fred down at the pub but I can tell you that there is always more to these cases than you think. Normally it involves uncontrolled drinking, mental health concerns, criminal associations, blatent disregard for the law, domestic violence or threats of violence. The chances are you just don't have all the facts.
Why are BASC not helping the Devon and Cornwall gun owners to fight the gun seizures? They removed the insurance and I left and then I hear that they just abandon those gun owners that need them most. Surely the membership fees are meant to go on this kind of thing to pause back against the police at the highest courts.
They might not be members? If they are members then BASC might not think they are suitable people to have firearms? There are all sorts of reasons why BASC might be keeping their distance from the people who have had their licences revoked.
BASC are a complete waste of time and always have been, they seem to give in to everything the government throws at them. we need a new dynamic organisation that is not so scared of authority and defends decent honest shooters..
@Mr Mega Bang Bang ! Spot on...The police for certain dont want people to own guns and BASC have shown their true colours and are not helping the everyday shooter and to me it seems it is the so called 'elite' mainly who are still throwing their money at BASC which is looking more and more like a 'Club for the Boys'?My late father would have said 'Some people have more money than sense mi lad'!
I live in Hampshire and Hampshire Constabulary up until recently had a very bad report of doing things slowly until recently they’ve changed things around and I must say I am very happy with the level of service that you receive
I sent my SGC renewal in at the beginning of December (after waiting 4 weeks for the Dr letter). My ticket expired beginning on Jan. Still waiting. The local FIre arms dept still working on early Dec renewals.
Really goes to show how pointless the system is, expired months ago yet no change because it didn’t do anything in the first place It’s all useless bureaucracy
In line with many of the comments here, we too in NSW Australia are governed by a firearms registry that appears to be overloaded, outdated, and unable to perform its duties in a reasonable amount of time. Even the time guidelines given to the law abiding licensed firearms owners such as I used to be until they seized all mine because they couldn’t process the requested and sent paperwork I provided well before required time periods requested. Naturally my Lic expired and with no communication at all, two police officers arrived on a Sunday and seized all my firearms, scope’s (even unattached ones), and all my ammunition. Some firearms in my collection are family antiques inc a WW Greener made in 1896 in England. Now it’s tossed among all the seized arms in my area. As are all my hunting rifles that will at the very least need a zero or re-zero to hunt ethically. Oh! All damage received in the Police’s care is non compensated too.
@@josephgarrett5693 Year right, and look what's happening to US as we speak . . . bit by bit they take away your rights just as well and you still sleep like the sheep that you are! They use "politics" so can go John Wick whole day everyday nut you will never get to that point where you will ACTUALLY USE your second amendment to protect the second amendment! The people in the UK, Canada and Europe are pushing back against everything that is happening, they protest since June of 2020, where the f*ck are you? All you do is make huge statements and powerful one liners yet you fail to put your actions where your mouth is! Your government is pushing for a proxy war against R***ia and still your streets are empty. Innocent people are in jail over what happened on Jan the *th jet your streets are empty. You are the laughing stock of the world you realize that?! People talk about the typical American idle attitude everywhere. You think you are awake? Wrong . . . you are sleepwalking and when you wake up, 90% of your weapons will be rendered illegal. Good luck hahahaha
@@maskedavenger2578 thank you so much for your comment. I am so touched that other people are passionate about their rights and freedoms… the ownership of firearms being an expression of that freedom.
@@prancer1803 With ownership of firearms comes responsibility ,you have no rights to own a firearm it’s a privilege that has to be granted in the U.K. . The only democracy & freedom you have is determined by your bank balance & who you know in high places that can pull the right strings .
Our county has began to issue new applications for FAC's & Shotguns, my variation took 4 months to be granted, so perhaps some counties are getting back to normal.
Freakin hell, I thought we were getting screwed over by the gumbyment here in Australia when it comes to licensing. But at least the Brits can use a suppressor on their rifles not like here.
@@geezerp1982 what's the deal with ar15s in the UK?? I thought they had to be straight pull or be .22 rimfire. The one the man is holding at 4:18 just looks like a normal one. Or does it have no gas key on the bcg??
What happens after you apply, i’ve read online you will need a interview with police at the station and they come to your house to see if your safe is bolted to the wall? I want to apply 👍🏻🇬🇧
@@harrynelson9203 once applied got a phone call a week or 2 after and come out the following week to inspect the cabinet and ask questions. That is all, awaiting for the licence to arrive now. Says up to 90 days from start to finish.
@@willcarpymartin4257 Ohh that sounds great and alot simple then i thought or read, good luck hope it arrives soon 🙏🏻 been watching all the videos on here about the police taking peoples guns for no reason 👎🏻
When someone is killed by a driver does the government restrict the rights of every driver? No because it would be irrational, and amounts to collective punishment, so why does this happen to gun owners every time? Collective punishment is a punishment on a group for acts allegedly perpetrated by a member of that group. Because individuals who are not responsible for the wrong acts are targeted, collective punishment is not compatible with the basic principle of individual responsibility. Collective punishment is prohibited by Article 3 of the Geneva Convention.
Yes they did! The implemented a thing called a driving licence. A driving licence ensure that you need to pass a test to show you are safe to be on the roads. Firearms licencing should be the same.
In Poland if you met criteria; membership in shooting range, passed psychological test and basic firearm safety test, Police MUST approve your licence. Before Police has a right to obstruct or refuse your licence without giving you any reason but that right has been taken away of them. Thanks God. This days you are bringing all paper work to the local Police Station and they are giving you your licence. It takes few months and costs around £400.
I’ve been under 3 forces and not had any issue with Wiltshire, Banes or south Wales. They have all been good. Wiltshire and South Wales are much easier than BANES though.
Well I have to say my first application and essex have been brilliant, came out within 10 weeks really helpful when talking about what I want to shoot and how to grow and progress.
The Highland Area of Police Scotland are first class and their workload must be pretty high due to the predominance of hunting and field sports in this area
i have found variations to be really good, usually within 2 weeks. My renewal has been in now since november 2021 and i am still waiting, currently on my second temporary certificate.
The reason the UK gun laws are as they are is people protested to get the laws tightened to keep the weapons out of the hands of people who wish to use them to harm others. That has been a success. UK Gun laws work. Only thing i would change is open up the restriction of firearm types but keep the tight control. In addition evidence of proper training should be required before application.
@@johnsmith4219 Firearms acts were brought in to control the sale and purchase of firearms. This sets some limits on age and the need to show some level of evidence that you have a legitimate purpose for the firearms you wish to buy. It is a reasonable system as it weeds out most of the obvious nutcases. It isn't a perfect system but better than no control at all.
@William Tell The problem of a "fully resourced licencing system" is that most people don't want to pay what it actually costs to administer. If certificates came with an admin fee that truly covered the costs of running that service they would be very expensive. People have a hissy fit whenever something like this goes up in price. If the price was the set to cover the complete cost then loads of people who shoot would probably give up shooting.
West Mercia are on the whole pretty good, no complaints here. On another note, can I ask why during this piece the gun shop owner felt the need to handle an overtly 'military' appearing rifle? I own a bolt action AR and as retired milltary myself I feel much more comfortable with that platform at night (go figure...). The vast majority of centerfire rifles in the UK are conventional bolt action which outwardly appear less 'aggressive'. Yes....before everyone gets grumpy, they are just as dangerous and are no less regulated, however Joe Public is a fickle beast and if you're on the fence then a 'black rifle 'is much easier to hate.... thoughts??
@William Tell I get your standpoint but that only works if a) the shooting community has the positive ear of the Home Office governing bodies... which it doesn't... and b) the Government advocate legally held firearms in public hands.... which it clearly doesn't.. I get your point and I am not daft enough to engage in a slanging match mate but we are a dying breed regardless of how we play this. My best mate is an RFD and had said that in his many interactions with FEOs and Firearms dept staff from several Constabularies the rhetoric is the same ....firearms are a privilege which can an will (D&C have proven this) be taken away with no real justification needed. One said openly its a matter of time before only people with a job requiring firearms will be allowed.... this is a day I hope will be far away. All the best. Deano
I no longer own a FAC but in the past I was granted permission to own 500 rounds of 7.62 AND I think it was 400 rounds of 308 . Any shooter will tell you that they are identical calibres. That DYFED police for you.
same calibre, different round (if you meant 7.62 NATO). Mostly interchangeable but care needs to be taken if you load your own ammunition and use the same recipe across all the brass....
My understanding is this. 308 caliber rifles can shoot 308 and 7.62 nato. However guns chambered in 7.62 NATO can only shoot 7.62 NATO safely. 308 is a hotter round.
Most forces seem to be ok or actually good, despite their resourcing and demand differences, but of course it's more newsworthy to highlight the bad ones. No change there. The latest HO Guidance actually came out in December, as well as the chapter that has been removed and made statutory, but it's still a joke. When one rural force re-opened to grant applications in August '21 they had hundreds in the first few days, but something like 2/3 of them were incomplete or incorrectly filled in and had to be returned.
@Mr Mega Bang Bang ! Okay, you are obviously unaware of how this works.... 1, If you have a problem with how the police are working then write to the professional standards unit at your police force. 2, "the police are NOT abiding by the law" I suspect that is very unlikely. It is quite likely that you don't know the detail of the law or understand how it is applied though.... So, unless you have some proof that they are breaking the law you just look a bit silly making statements like this. 3, The police are accountable. If you think they are doing something wrong write to the professional standards unit to make a complaint. You can escalate that complaint to your MP, the local Police and Crime Commissioner or the Home Secretary. You can even take the police to court if you want. Basically, there are plenty of ways to hold them to account. A kangaroo court in the media or social media comments pages isn't really the way to do it. 4, Appealing the revocation of a firearms certificate is free. It doesn't cost anything. You may say that you have no chance of winning if you represent yourself but that isn't really true. Most of these appeals do fail but they fail for one simle reason - the court agrees that the person is not suitable to possess firearms.
@Mr Mega Bang Bang ! It is pretty obvious that you don't really understand the processes by which you can hold the police to account. If you have had a firearm or shotgun certificate revoked and nobody will support you in getting it returned then maybe you should consider that the police have made the right decision. You might not like it but you might be the only person who disagrees with the decision.
I feel so bad for you guys. I can't imagine how soul crushing it must be to have to have to wait months to get government approval just to buy a shotgun. And to make matters worse you have to deal with fees, renewals, and massive restrictions on the gun's features. Plus there's never a guarantee that you'll get approval since the government can just make up a reason to refuse. This video is just depressing to listen to. In the states it's not unusual to buy a gun at a neighbor's yard sale. In fact in half the country you don't even need a permit to concealed carry.
@Pete graham Liberty. The more dependent people are on the government the less freedom they have. And guns are essentially power. When you have an armed populace they have leverage. There is an unspoken negotiation that takes place between the government and its people. Government always tries to expand and maintain its power. An armed populace puts restrains on the government. It's difficult to tyrannize people who can resist. The more reliant on the government the people are the harder it is for them to resist. If you have a gun then you are not as reliant on the government to protect your own life. The more power and independence you can give to the people and take away from the government the better. Generally speaking anyways.
@Pete graham Because free and law abiding people don't need their government's permission to own firearms. Now you go wait 12 months to get an over/under shotgun and be grateful to your overlords. To each their own.
Nigel Appleton (@3:10) is simply incorrect. When the police revoke a firearm certificate the person in question knows EXACTLY why this has happened. Appleton says that the police are "confusing complaint with evidence". Okay Appleton, show us YOUR evidence that this is true. Or are you assuming you know? Unless you have access to the Police systems for recording this kind of thing you cannot possibly know. He also makes the assumption that it costs a lot of money to appeal a firearms certificate revocation. Actually, it is free. This series of videos is now becoming a bit of a joke, it is just hyperbole trying to extract an emotional response and attract attention for the channel. The comments here show that this channel is now just a magnet for people with an anti-authority attitude. These people are not representative of the hundreds of thousands of certificate holders in the UK and associating with this part of the shooting community will do this channel no good.
@William Tell It is free. You don't have to have to be represented by anyone. Most appellants lose these cases simply because the court agrees with the police decision not because of who represents them. Costs are not awarded against the appellant in these cases so people that appeal do not get "landed with costs" if they lose. You are worrying about things that cannot happen. If you think firearm certificate revocations should be handled a different way I suggest you write to your MP. Changing this would mean rewriting all the firearms acts and it is very unlikely many MPs will support that. If you tell them you want an easier process for people who have had firearms certificates revoked to get them back then I can guarantee you won't get the support of any sensible MP.
4:28 American Visitor: "So, how many shells are you allowed, here in 'Blighty'?" Bird Shooter (thinks a moment): "Aah, _six"._ Visitor: "Oh, ok - much the same as back home, then. The Remington I like can hold seven, but in my State it has to be plugged down to five. Next State over, I wouldn't have to _do_ that. Cross over the State line going the _other_ way, I'm restricted to _three."_ Bird Shooter: "Oh, I beg your pardon, I see what you mean. One is only allowed 'break - action' shotguns here of course, but if I have _two_ in the Dickson here... and a good man like Carruthers to hold the Purdeys, that's six!"
You realize that semi auto and pump action shotguns, and single shot centerfire rifles and .22 rimfire semi auto rifles are UK legal. There are also no magazine restrictions and silencers are legal to buy in stores.
@@davidwebb2318 I'm sorry, either I wasn't notified of your reply at the time of posting, which I've found sometimes happens, or could be I just somehow missed it at the time. I'm only just seeing it now, but please forgive the 'necro~reply'. The short answer to your question is "No". But if I were to elaborate - I haven't _lived_ in the UK in 20 years, and when I did, it was less the grouse moors of Perthshire(?) than the Marshes of Hackney where, though it may be 'distasteful' to mention in a forum like this, if there were firearms around you _really didn't_ want to be seeing them, for all sorts of reasons... My reply really wasn't meant as anything other than a joke (obviously, I hope, though I don't think I'll be selling out the NEC or whatever they're calling the 'Dome' this week, anytime soon!) As such, I never meant to put myself across as a wannabe 'Gun Jesus' or 'Bloke on the Range', and my comment was not meant to be taken as as an authoritive indication of the current state of the gun laws in the UK. Nonetheless, it was an honest, albeit mistaken, representation of my _understanding_ of the rules regarding shotguns... also I did 'gen up' on the subject, if only cursorily, just to be sure, but it turns out that the internet is a confusing morass, full of misinformation - _who knew?!_
@@richiehoyt8487 okay. The facts are that semi auto shotguns are allowed in the UK on a standard shotgun certificate. The number of cartridges held is restricted to 3 (1 in the chamber, 2 in the magazine). You can get a certificate to allow you to have a semi auto shotgun with a larger capacity if you take part in certain shooting sports that needs it. It isn't complicated but you are right, there is a lot of misinformation out there.
now youve got pay to have a medical certificate every time you renew now you already give consent for your Dr to be contacted but now you have to spend more by getting your medical records sent to wherever you are getting your licence
If it doesn’t make sense then you need to step back and look at the bigger picture. If you still can’t see it then keep taking a step back. If you see it then you will understand that this is not because of incompetence but by design.
It's literally the same case all over the world in terms of the screws tightening and the fact we've experienced a staged pandemic and soon are going to be heading for a recession is no coincidence. Governments know there's going to be civil unrest. Law abiding citizens might not be so law abiding when the price of everything keeps going up and their value of their money keeps going down.
God help us if sub 12ft/lb airguns end up requiring an FAC. I would have a shotgun for clays but all the hassle puts me off trying. Perhaps that is what the police wish for? It must be threatening to put gun dealers out of business
tbh my experience with the police has been brilliant , i have learnt so much from the lancs firearms , brilliant , great knowledge and fantastic officers
Average processing time for a new application in Avon and Somerset was 150 days last time I checked. My application went in at the end of October 2020, it’s been about 161 days now. The people I’ve dealt with throughout the process have been fine, but no one can give me even a rough idea of when it is likely to be done. I think the lack of transparency is the most frustrating part. One positive is that this means applications are up and the shooting community is growing. I’m hopeful that upgrading the backend system will help in future too.
@@keithgaler5586 I realise I got my dates wrong, my application went in October 2021. It was for an application so I don’t currently hold any firearms, I’m still waiting. Goodluck with yours!
Thanks for this. They can be good about certificating guns for foreign use. You will need to use it if it's a rifle, though, or they will take it away. / Charlie
There must be something quite serious in your background checks. Maybe gamekeeping isn't a good career choice for you if your background prevents you from having a tool that is essential to the job.
@@davidwebb2318 to be honest no there's no reason why i shouldn't have my licence atall my wife has her guns are kept in my house its ridiculous really as sometimes the other keeper leaves me alone for a day or 2 and if i get a fox in a snare im buggerd basically but luckily as of yet that hasn't happened I've always caught a fox in snare when my other keeper has been with me luckily
@@motohunter2390 Almost everyone who has been refused a certificate swears it was the wrong decision. It rarely is. The fact you are setting snares when you cannot guarantee you will have someone to despatch foxes suggests to me that you are not responsible. Being irresponsible in this way might suggest you would also be irresponsible with firearms. Maybe it is this kind of thing that is the reason the police have refused you a certificate.
@@davidwebb2318 sorry fella but you do not no so dont dare accuse me of shit saying im irresponsible if the day ever comes when im alone and a fox is in a snare 1 of the farmers who own the land or 1 of the farm workers will get a gun and be with me with in 5 minutes so its a not a problem i wouldn't just leave it in a snare for cry sake so dont dare judge me calling me shit when your wrong one of my best mates is the firearms officer for my area and he cant believe why his governor says no to my licence maybe its because im 6ft7 and built like a brick shit house with tattoos and a skin head i dont no but there is no reason why i shouldn't have my licence atall im not a druggy or prisoner or robber or rapist ect im a law abiding citizen and dont tell me what job i should have I've been game keepering for 10 years now and 9 of them years was on 1 of the most famous shoots in the country with a big population of wild grey English partridge which my head keeper got the gold purdey award for a few years back im good at it and its my passion and life i live for it wouldn't change it for nothing so do1 and mind your own business judging me telling me that i shouldn't be a keeper and telling me im irresponsible go away fella
@@motohunter2390 There is a reason the police won't give you a certificate. You might not like it but that is a fact. You might even pretend to yourself there isn't anything in your past but there obviously is. Firearm certificates are not awarded on your ability to rear good birds. It doesn't matter if you are good at rearing birds. If shoots you have worked on have won awards that is great but the law isn't based on things like that obviously. The only thing that matters is your history of contact with the police and your attitude. They have obviously looked at your past and your discussions with the firearms licensing staff and decided you aren't suitable. You disagree, that is fine but there obviously is a reason. The fact that you cannot understand the reason doesn't mean they are wrong.
FA sees needs to be taken out of the general police control and have a special department for the issue of firearms divock it's an renewals the problem I find with the police is the duty is sometimes given to a officer who has no idea about weapons or storage or security of a building when doing an inspection
You seem to know nothing about this subject at all. It is the legislation that says this has to be deatl with by the police. Most police forces use specialist firearms enquiries officers who know the law and firearms storage requirements inside out.
@@davidwebb2318 it does make you wonder I had an armoury approved with a joint inspection of a local firearms officer Met Police an RAF police officer they both passed the location as safe an authorise the certificate there were a few grey areas that I noted but kept quiet about for obvious reasons so don't tell me that those authorised to do the inspections our specialists it's a joke I knew one specialist who had moved on up the tree and he failed to renew he's firearm certificate he's now an inspector says it all
@@BigM94sqd Clearly there are guidelines on the security of storage of firearms. There aren't hard and fast rules. It is quite likely that the people who inspected your storage also realsied there were some 'grey areas' but on balance they thought it was secure enough. That doesn't mean they are crap at their job, it means they are being practical. He forgot to renew his firearms licence. So what? You think nobody ever forgets things?
today 29th December 22, my shotgun certificate ran out in June, the 24th 2022, still have not got it despite applying in May this year Durham Constabulary they sent me a letter stating that they were extending my current certificate until 24th September 22, but on the 23rd September sent an email stating that I am still on the system but can't purchase ammunition or a new shotgun, wrote to my local MP he wrote to the Durham Firearms who replied to Richard Holt MP that it was not their fault and that I should have applied for renewal earlier going on to say that because I take pain killers for arthritis my medication needs further evaluation which is a crock of shit, I have not been able to shoot now for 6 months and I feel that because I involved my local MP that my application keeps going to the bottom of the pile it is absolutely disgraceful and disingenuous on behalf of Durham Firearms
The UK for Freedom probably has to be the worst place to live in the world you have to bow down to a King for a queen f that mess I'm glad I live in the USA
Poor blokes! I had to wait almost 10 months to get my guns here in America. Of course though it was for machine guns. In West Virginia it is a 10-15 minute wait on all semi autos , handguns or rifles. God bless America!
I only wanted to inform how USA wait times work. Some states are stricter than others. Maryland , which is literally a mile from my house, has a 7 day wait on pistols, and restricts some assault rifles.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian No politician will support relaxing UK gun laws as its political suicide. They will be ousted as quick as the fire rate of a semi-auto.
Just for the record, some of my views have been edited out of my interview in this video. What wasn't aired is the fact that the police are very short staffed in many counties for general policing let alone admin roles.
That's the issue here in Sweden. Fortunately they are removing the license for silencers in July which will hopefully clear some of the load. Why that shit even existed in the first place is beyond me.
@William Tell I wish mate lol haha I probs wouldn't be allowed in I've git a bit of a past like haha but was in my younger days I've got kids and family tbh I've never left the UK haha but I've always wanted to go to Amsterdam first then defo America haha I would love it but I've settled with my lass and kids now anyway but if we ever go abroad if I would be allowed I would gladly visit mainly Florida haha all the things I like doing seem to be all legal there but aye even if I could I ain't git the cash to just move to another country haha am not skint but I ain't rich either lol but like I say defo on bucket list to shoot a 50bmg in USA in my lifetime just have to wait till certain bans and restrictions alrradyy have on me in UK even if u get remanded for a week for nothing firearm related weneverbu get out of actaully jail not police station the jail u get an automatic 5 yr firearms ban after release even if you've never even owned any sort of gun for 5 years I've been out and out of trouble just over that so maybe give it another year and I'll apply for shotgun licienece and then maybe be abke to get a 22lr my dad had both his shotgun and seperate firearms licienece and properly to shoot so I've seen and been around air guns and shotguns and crossbows and the 22lr I've seen but never been out with someone would fone police these days even if went out with an air gun lol and armed response be out but my dad used to ring the police and tell them when he was going out as he's had loads of people he's watched walk away and get phone strate out but he said he just used to laugh as like I said he used to tell the police he'd be in a certain area with his gun so if any reports come in they don't waste time rushing over to see everything is legal and he had permission like best way
Also, the Police in some areas are biased and interpret the law in their own way and not as the law was meant to pertain. My Police Force in Avon and Somerset however are superb and deserve to be congratulated on the way they deal with shooters in their area. BASC however have not been sound in the past on changes of law and procedure and their opinion should not always be relied upon.
The problem is the people who make the laws and regulate these things often have next to know actual knowledge on what they are regulating. It's like a teacher who isnt qualified teaching a subject they know nothing about
Although there are problems, I must say that Hampshire has been excellent and exceptional in their support to licence holders and although there have been delays, they have been brilliant in maintaining communication and provided routine updates. The bigger problem as always is with the wide range of costs involved in GP medical reviews / certificates and this arguably needs more attention than the inevitable delays as a result of the pandemic which all industries are facing be they private firms, NHS / social care etc. The impact on staff and human resources and vicariously, the wider impact has been felt across all service industries be that diversion of resources to areas of priority or staff being unwell and not able to attend work. I can't comment on other areas and remain grateful that locally, we have a good service....just need to sort out the medical report problems where costs range from free to over £150 in some cases..!
Hampshire have been good for me. Met were good for my son and processed his renewal in 4 weeks. Surrey and Sussex joined and are overwhelmed telling some people 24 weeks for new applications.
My experience is as follows: New grant application put in mid November. Application returned and refunded 23rd December because of COVID. I asked why it couldn't sit in the backlog like every other forces FLD and no-one could provide an answer. Absolutely no updates on what was happening or when new grants would be accepted again until last week.
I live in Devon and I do pest control with an air rifle and the guy that got me the permissions a deer and fox shooter and local would be great if I had a firearms license i could help out but the way the police are being here it's almost pointless appling for a license so disheartening
The police realise that anarchy is coming ? That’s why they want the shooters of the street ? If your royalty grouse shooting is ok though ? Although I do agree that high velocity/ military grade weapons should not be kept by the public, shooting clubs should available for these kind of firearms ?
you mean under the control of the central government which would be worse ! atleast with the county police its under the PCC and not the central government
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Firearms licencing needs to be taken out of chief Constables hands and centralised across the UK , the system now just isn't good enough and hasn't been for years.
It's all about who the chief constable knows
@@BigM94sqd You do realise that no Chief Constable anywhere in the UK actually deals with any firearms licence application?
It needs to be done away with. Take back your country.
And easy for a chief Constable to retire when things go wrong ...
There needs to be no firearms licensing at all.
I'm a farmer down in Cornwall and my daughter applied for her shotgun licence in October 2020 and she not heard a word back yet and everytime she emails them they just say it's being dealt with.
Just disgusting behaviour from a so called force that's supposed to be on our side,,,, law abiding citizens. Sickening 🇬🇧
Iv been waiting 8 months for grant,,,igot email today from Wiltshire police saying there's a 8 months backlog and mine will be processed shortly. We will see
Also devon and Cornwall… also applied October 2020…
September 2021 I got billed for the application
Feb 2022 I asked them about the new medical forms… they verified I needed to do a form (which I did)
No contact since
It's all a farce. Hope you get your soon 🤞
@@stephenbrown5844 With respect, I beg to differ with 'supposed to be on our side'. All Police Authorities in the United Kingdom would welcome the total prohibition of firearms within the public realm, with possession only allowed for members of the military and law enforcement. All UK political parties are secretly 'anti-gun' but they know that an outright ban is not feasible, so the intention is to do it by stealth over time.
The police and the government have always had a knee jerk reaction to any incidents with firearms without the slightest consideration for those it will affect .
Like most countries the vast majority of crimes are with illegal weapons but its far simpler and easier to hit the law abiding citizens, just the same as vehicles.
...And the licensing regime to drive a 1-ton vehicle at speed in public areas is far easier to navigate, with resulting high death rate per year, than to obtain a license to own/shoot at target grounds!
Thats because police officers a cucks who are selected by other cuck politicians to dispense their cuck agenda. They are afraid of people who can defend themselves so they try to control who had access to power.
@Mr Mega Bang Bang ! hit the law abiding citizen first, they know you will never do anything about it.
Because you are what you are.
The masses they leave be keep them content and the crooked when they feel they have enough muscle.
Covid comes to mind!
Well call me cynical but I would say governments like to disarm entire countries if people more for their own protection than for the protection of law abiding citizens. Just because a government gives a humanitarian rational for something doesn't mean that's the actual reason.
As an American, I truly fear that we'll be in the same situation soon if the status quo continues. Just this past Thanksgiving, President Biden said "The idea that we allow semi-automatic weapons to be sold is sick. It's just sick."
Give them an inch, and they'll take a country mile.
Vote trump
If you want to see what ‘Shall be infringed’ looks like, search on TH-cam for long-barrelled pistols.
Why do you need semi automatic weapons to hunt game?
@@samsativa245 Why do you need a car that goes 150 mph when the speed limit is 70 mph?
It's not that anyone NEEDS a semi automatic for hunting, but why shouldn't it be allowed? Especially when almost every state in the union has magazine restrictions of 5 rounds for semi auto rifles and (and 3 rounds for shotguns) for hunting.
you get 1 shot, and then your opportunity is over... The push to use semi-autos in the field is not for a lack of accuracy, or a need to 'spray and pray', it is to stop the government from further infringing on our rights under the auspices of "well you don't need that for hunting, so nobody should buy it!" (when the 2nd amendment says nothing about hunting). The DNR in almost every state (if not all) have magazine limits for hunting, so even if you wanted to use a 60 round magazine for deer hunting you would face criminal charges if caught.
The AR15 is the most common rifle sold in the US, and it is perfectly adequate for home defense, pest control, sport shooting, and deer hunting. What reason should these kinds of rifles not be used? I'm curious to hear your case...
@@dsldarklordspaniard6672 I don't need a car that goes 150mph though? I don't need a car that has an engine that's too big for it to be efficient when constantly going 30mph like Audis, VWs, BMWs etc. I don't need them at all.
For the record, if you got caught driving at 150mph you'd be arrested for dangerous driving, rightly so.
So i'm failing to actually see your point or case here.
Here's one for you, the UK has a homicide rate 5x lower per capita. That means I'm 5x less likely to be murdered by my fellow citizen than you are. It's probably because people don't own Assault Rifles, so nobody needs Assault Rifles to protect themselves against other people with Assault Rifles. It's probably because there hasn't been one single school shooting take place in this Century in the UK... Yet i can still own Automatic Weapons legally if i wanted to?
It's a damned disgrace.
It seems to me the Firearms section could easily be self financing. My shotgun renewal was two months late despite the fact that I applied four months early. The stumbling block was mainly with the GP who didn't really want to be bothered with anything that wasn't to do with bloody Covid!
Actually it costs far more to administer than the licence fees bring in. The certificate fee is about £10 a year. The systems, office space and staff costs are far more than the £10 collected each year from each certificate holder.
I believe we as a country and nation of gun lovers who spend and keep this sport a live should have the rights to bare arms... Like America 🇬🇧😁👍
We do have a constitutional right to bear arms
Why and how did it change?
@@firstknight6057 had* the magnacarter was superceded.
@@deeeeeeeench1209 The Bill of Rights gives that right! And that is still in full force !
"should have the rights to bare arms"
You are free to roll your sleeves up and parade around any time you like.🤣
And this is why we Americans will never give our guns up.
And this is why I’m trying to move to texas
@@kungfudavie Don't run from the problem fix your home.
Never give up your guns...unless you want to give them to me...please
@@throwawaytrash33 You will never change the UK gun laws as it is political suicide for any politician to suggest it. Then if they did there would be riots and would end up with no guns at all. If there was a referendum on gun laws would most likely end up with nearly all people voting to remove all guns completely.
@@throwawaytrash33 how? In THE UK the government and media just bury the problems or call it something else
Start hiding a spare shotgun under the floorboards 😂
Not a joke 👀
You better be using VPN or they'll nick you for that comment, stay safe brother
I agree with you
In America, our founding fathers described that our rights come from God, not from governments. Man was endowed by his Creator with “inalienable” rights.
which comes from the english bill of rights
@@geezerp1982 can’t defend your own home now…
@@Jumbo344 we can! plenty of self defence shootings with no indictments or loss of gun rights ! no duty to retreat and can meet force with force
@@geezerp1982 over here in mother England I mean me old pal
@@Jumbo344 i am talking about england !!
Live in Devon and it’s all gone to hell for our licensing. If you look at the ban of handguns and self loading rifles. Both knee jerk reactions to make it look like the police have done something and appease the public. In reality just putting a plaster over the failings of the police to enforce the rules they already had in place. We don’t need new rules we just need the current one policed properly
"We don’t need new rules we just need the current one policed properly"
The trouble is that is exactly what D&C Police are trying to do now and everyone is criticising them for that!
I think you’ll find that the:Police Federation & The Snowdrop Campaign,put pressure on the government of the day,to ban those weapons.
It was more about appeasing people,to win their votes,rather than reality.
John Majors government banned centrefire handguns (To try to stay in power,after May 1997)
Blairs government banned .22 handguns,because they needed Scottish votes to win the 1997 election,as Labour were the top Scottish party,at the time.
@@davidwebb2318 no, D&C police are just revoking etc for anything now which wrong and against the home office guidence
@@geezerp1982Then I suggest you write to the Home Secretary and show some concrete examples of how D&C police are breaking the guidance. Or perhaps you could consider that maybe the Police have access to a lot more information than you do when they are deciding these cases. You might think you have all the facts from Fred down at the pub but I can tell you that there is always more to these cases than you think. Normally it involves uncontrolled drinking, mental health concerns, criminal associations, blatent disregard for the law, domestic violence or threats of violence. The chances are you just don't have all the facts.
Why are BASC not helping the Devon and Cornwall gun owners to fight the gun seizures? They removed the insurance and I left and then I hear that they just abandon those gun owners that need them most. Surely the membership fees are meant to go on this kind of thing to pause back against the police at the highest courts.
They have no back bone that’s why Just want your money
Beacause they are much use as a chocolate tea pot
They might not be members? If they are members then BASC might not think they are suitable people to have firearms? There are all sorts of reasons why BASC might be keeping their distance from the people who have had their licences revoked.
BASC are a complete waste of time and always have been, they seem to give in to everything the government throws at them. we need a new dynamic organisation that is not so scared of authority and defends decent honest shooters..
@Mr Mega Bang Bang ! Spot on...The police for certain dont want people to own guns and BASC have shown their true colours and are not helping the everyday shooter and to me it seems it is the so called 'elite' mainly who are still throwing their money at BASC which is looking more and more like a 'Club for the Boys'?My late father would have said 'Some people have more money than sense mi lad'!
I live in Hampshire and Hampshire Constabulary up until recently had a very bad report of doing things slowly until recently they’ve changed things around and I must say I am very happy with the level of service that you receive
I sent my SGC renewal in at the beginning of December (after waiting 4 weeks for the Dr letter). My ticket expired beginning on Jan. Still waiting. The local FIre arms dept still working on early Dec renewals.
Really goes to show how pointless the system is, expired months ago yet no change because it didn’t do anything in the first place
It’s all useless bureaucracy
In line with many of the comments here, we too in NSW Australia are governed by a firearms registry that appears to be overloaded, outdated, and unable to perform its duties in a reasonable amount of time.
Even the time guidelines given to the law abiding licensed firearms owners such as I used to be until they seized all mine because they couldn’t process the requested and sent paperwork I provided well before required time periods requested. Naturally my Lic expired and with no communication at all, two police officers arrived on a Sunday and seized all my firearms, scope’s (even unattached ones), and all my ammunition. Some firearms in my collection are family antiques inc a WW Greener made in 1896 in England.
Now it’s tossed among all the seized arms in my area. As are all my hunting rifles that will at the very least need a zero or re-zero to hunt ethically. Oh! All damage received in the Police’s care is non compensated too.
Too bad you gave them up without bloodshed. Too late now.
@@josephgarrett5693 It really is a shame that the Aussies decided to let their government evolve into a tyranny without even a whimper.
@@josephgarrett5693 Year right, and look what's happening to US as we speak . . . bit by bit they take away your rights just as well and you still sleep like the sheep that you are! They use "politics" so can go John Wick whole day everyday nut you will never get to that point where you will ACTUALLY USE your second amendment to protect the second amendment!
The people in the UK, Canada and Europe are pushing back against everything that is happening, they protest since June of 2020, where the f*ck are you? All you do is make huge statements and powerful one liners yet you fail to put your actions where your mouth is! Your government is pushing for a proxy war against R***ia and still your streets are empty. Innocent people are in jail over what happened on Jan the *th jet your streets are empty. You are the laughing stock of the world you realize that?! People talk about the typical American idle attitude everywhere. You think you are awake? Wrong . . . you are sleepwalking and when you wake up, 90% of your weapons will be rendered illegal. Good luck hahahaha
@@VallornDeathblade its more virtous to be a victum then have the means to fight back or have real freedom
Did you get your firearms back yet?
As a law abiding taxpayer… if you don’t have the right to own firearms you are not truly a citizen. Imo
You not a citizen in the U.K. you are one of her Britannic Majesty’s subjects .
@@maskedavenger2578 thank you so much for your comment. I am so touched that other people are passionate about their rights and freedoms… the ownership of firearms being an expression of that freedom.
@@prancer1803 With ownership of firearms comes responsibility ,you have no rights to own a firearm it’s a privilege that has to be granted in the U.K. . The only democracy & freedom you have is determined by your bank balance & who you know in high places that can pull the right strings .
@@maskedavenger2578 that’s wrong (as in ethically wrong imo.)
@@prancer1803 Ethics has nowt to do with it ,it’s being a member of the right clique .
Our county has began to issue new applications for FAC's & Shotguns, my variation took 4 months to be granted, so perhaps some counties are getting back to normal.
All this BS is why I am moving back to Air rifles....... Fed up with the state of all this now and it's getting worse.....
Soon they will licence air guns, crossbows, bows and slingshots! This country is ruled by idiots.
How long until the Govt require licensing for Airguns?
Already the case in Scotland.
Sub 12 is pointless
@@firstknight6057 That doesn't mean they won't do it.
Good luck, they’ve banned lead ammo now so it’ll be harder for your air rifle as well.
Have they rescinded my right to run around with a balloon on a stick yet?
Is that a pointy stick, sir? I'm arresting you on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon.....
In Denmark there haven't been any new permits since January
Freakin hell, I thought we were getting screwed over by the gumbyment here in Australia when it comes to licensing.
But at least the Brits can use a suppressor on their rifles not like here.
Who would know if you used one ?
@@Interdiction Suppressors aren't lie the hollywood movies.
You can still hear the shot, just not as loud, that way you don't need ear protection.
and ar-15s
@@geezerp1982 what's the deal with ar15s in the UK?? I thought they had to be straight pull or be .22 rimfire. The one the man is holding at 4:18 just looks like a normal one. Or does it have no gas key on the bcg??
@@damiengirvan5020 spring assisted striaght pull for centre fire semi auto for .22 rim fire or shotguns ! idiotic gun laws
Don’t need a license to have a gun
nor do we , its a certificate you need
@@geezerp1982 lmao, 3/4in steel tube
I've been waiting 4 to 5 months for the application system to open to be able to apply for my shotgun licence. Opened up on the 4th April.
Hopefully it goes smoothly for you. Best wishes from Florida, USA.
What happens after you apply, i’ve read online you will need a interview with police at the station and they come to your house to see if your safe is bolted to the wall? I want to apply 👍🏻🇬🇧
@@harrynelson9203 once applied got a phone call a week or 2 after and come out the following week to inspect the cabinet and ask questions. That is all, awaiting for the licence to arrive now. Says up to 90 days from start to finish.
@@willcarpymartin4257 Ohh that sounds great and alot simple then i thought or read, good luck hope it arrives soon 🙏🏻 been watching all the videos on here about the police taking peoples guns for no reason 👎🏻
When someone is killed by a driver does the government restrict the rights of every driver? No because it would be irrational, and amounts to collective punishment, so why does this happen to gun owners every time? Collective punishment is a punishment on a group for acts allegedly perpetrated by a member of that group. Because individuals who are not responsible for the wrong acts are targeted, collective punishment is not compatible with the basic principle of individual responsibility. Collective punishment is prohibited by Article 3 of the Geneva Convention.
Yes they did! The implemented a thing called a driving licence. A driving licence ensure that you need to pass a test to show you are safe to be on the roads. Firearms licencing should be the same.
In Poland if you met criteria; membership in shooting range, passed psychological test and basic firearm safety test, Police MUST approve your licence. Before Police has a right to obstruct or refuse your licence without giving you any reason but that right has been taken away of them. Thanks God. This days you are bringing all paper work to the local Police Station and they are giving you your licence. It takes few months and costs around £400.
I live in Essex and they were great no problems at all
where do you shoot?
@@kungfudavie
Orsett
I’ve been under 3 forces and not had any issue with Wiltshire, Banes or south Wales.
They have all been good. Wiltshire and South Wales are much easier than BANES though.
Very sad to see this happening in my ancestral homeland! 😞
Well I have to say my first application and essex have been brilliant, came out within 10 weeks really helpful when talking about what I want to shoot and how to grow and progress.
Robert I have been waiting 8 months several emails with the same reply Covid and we are very busy,Northamptonshire..!
I have been waiting 13 months and have only just got a reply from a firearms officer and i'm now waiting for my interview.
The Highland Area of Police Scotland are first class and their workload must be pretty high due to the predominance of hunting and field sports in this area
I waited 2.5 YEARS for my FAC! Yes, I kid you not…
To be fair, West Mids are really good less than three weeks to process two variations
i have found variations to be really good, usually within 2 weeks. My renewal has been in now since november 2021 and i am still waiting, currently on my second temporary certificate.
Firearms licensing in the UK is more about control, unarmed populations can't overthrow governments...
The reason the UK gun laws are as they are is people protested to get the laws tightened to keep the weapons out of the hands of people who wish to use them to harm others. That has been a success. UK Gun laws work.
Only thing i would change is open up the restriction of firearm types but keep the tight control. In addition evidence of proper training should be required before application.
Leicestershire firearms are good
Took me 4 months to get a variation for my licence in Dorset.
living across the pond, please educate me. Are there more people for less regulation of firearms, or do they want stricter gun control measures?
I think broadly speaking people are ok (ish) with the rules, it's how they're being applied that's the issue
Your lucky to live where you do and to have the glorious 2nd ammendment
@@firstknight6057, how did you lose your gun rights?
@@johnsmith4219 Firearms acts were brought in to control the sale and purchase of firearms. This sets some limits on age and the need to show some level of evidence that you have a legitimate purpose for the firearms you wish to buy. It is a reasonable system as it weeds out most of the obvious nutcases. It isn't a perfect system but better than no control at all.
@William Tell The problem of a "fully resourced licencing system" is that most people don't want to pay what it actually costs to administer. If certificates came with an admin fee that truly covered the costs of running that service they would be very expensive. People have a hissy fit whenever something like this goes up in price. If the price was the set to cover the complete cost then loads of people who shoot would probably give up shooting.
West Mercia are on the whole pretty good, no complaints here. On another note, can I ask why during this piece the gun shop owner felt the need to handle an overtly 'military' appearing rifle? I own a bolt action AR and as retired milltary myself I feel much more comfortable with that platform at night (go figure...). The vast majority of centerfire rifles in the UK are conventional bolt action which outwardly appear less 'aggressive'. Yes....before everyone gets grumpy, they are just as dangerous and are no less regulated, however Joe Public is a fickle beast and if you're on the fence then a 'black rifle 'is much easier to hate.... thoughts??
@William Tell I get your standpoint but that only works if a) the shooting community has the positive ear of the Home Office governing bodies... which it doesn't... and b) the Government advocate legally held firearms in public hands.... which it clearly doesn't.. I get your point and I am not daft enough to engage in a slanging match mate but we are a dying breed regardless of how we play this. My best mate is an RFD and had said that in his many interactions with FEOs and Firearms dept staff from several Constabularies the rhetoric is the same ....firearms are a privilege which can an will (D&C have proven this) be taken away with no real justification needed. One said openly its a matter of time before only people with a job requiring firearms will be allowed.... this is a day I hope will be far away. All the best. Deano
Applied 9 days ago, inspector comes round in 7 days making a total of 16 days. Essex way. Told they go by postcode.
Certificate is due to arrive tomorrow making a total of 37 days.
I no longer own a FAC but in the past I was granted permission to own 500 rounds of 7.62 AND I think it was 400 rounds of 308 . Any shooter will tell you that they are identical calibres. That DYFED police for you.
same calibre, different round (if you meant 7.62 NATO). Mostly interchangeable but care needs to be taken if you load your own ammunition and use the same recipe across all the brass....
Any shooter who knows what they are talking about would very much disagree...
@@lazaglider yes if you want to split hairs, but both can be used in the same gun.
@@fredblogs Well the problem here begins with your lazy nomenclature. 7.62 is just a number, it doesn’t refer to a specific cartridge.
My understanding is this. 308 caliber rifles can shoot 308 and 7.62 nato. However guns chambered in 7.62 NATO can only shoot 7.62 NATO safely. 308 is a hotter round.
Most forces seem to be ok or actually good, despite their resourcing and demand differences, but of course it's more newsworthy to highlight the bad ones. No change there. The latest HO Guidance actually came out in December, as well as the chapter that has been removed and made statutory, but it's still a joke. When one rural force re-opened to grant applications in August '21 they had hundreds in the first few days, but something like 2/3 of them were incomplete or incorrectly filled in and had to be returned.
Yes, the media making a drama out of a regular story is nothing new.
@Mr Mega Bang Bang ! Okay, you are obviously unaware of how this works....
1, If you have a problem with how the police are working then write to the professional standards unit at your police force.
2, "the police are NOT abiding by the law" I suspect that is very unlikely. It is quite likely that you don't know the detail of the law or understand how it is applied though.... So, unless you have some proof that they are breaking the law you just look a bit silly making statements like this.
3, The police are accountable. If you think they are doing something wrong write to the professional standards unit to make a complaint. You can escalate that complaint to your MP, the local Police and Crime Commissioner or the Home Secretary. You can even take the police to court if you want. Basically, there are plenty of ways to hold them to account. A kangaroo court in the media or social media comments pages isn't really the way to do it.
4, Appealing the revocation of a firearms certificate is free. It doesn't cost anything. You may say that you have no chance of winning if you represent yourself but that isn't really true. Most of these appeals do fail but they fail for one simle reason - the court agrees that the person is not suitable to possess firearms.
@Mr Mega Bang Bang ! It is pretty obvious that you don't really understand the processes by which you can hold the police to account.
If you have had a firearm or shotgun certificate revoked and nobody will support you in getting it returned then maybe you should consider that the police have made the right decision. You might not like it but you might be the only person who disagrees with the decision.
@@davidwebb2318 OK, Officer 🙄
@@MattyEngland I am not a police officer.
I feel so bad for you guys. I can't imagine how soul crushing it must be to have to have to wait months to get government approval just to buy a shotgun. And to make matters worse you have to deal with fees, renewals, and massive restrictions on the gun's features. Plus there's never a guarantee that you'll get approval since the government can just make up a reason to refuse.
This video is just depressing to listen to. In the states it's not unusual to buy a gun at a neighbor's yard sale. In fact in half the country you don't even need a permit to concealed carry.
@Pete graham Liberty. The more dependent people are on the government the less freedom they have.
And guns are essentially power. When you have an armed populace they have leverage. There is an unspoken negotiation that takes place between the government and its people. Government always tries to expand and maintain its power. An armed populace puts restrains on the government. It's difficult to tyrannize people who can resist. The more reliant on the government the people are the harder it is for them to resist. If you have a gun then you are not as reliant on the government to protect your own life.
The more power and independence you can give to the people and take away from the government the better. Generally speaking anyways.
@Pete graham Ever heard of the great reset?
You have to have a gun cabinet and the police visit your house every 6 months to check it.
Yep, although for criminals, handguns and even SMGs are easily available to anyone with contacts.
@Pete graham Because free and law abiding people don't need their government's permission to own firearms. Now you go wait 12 months to get an over/under shotgun and be grateful to your overlords. To each their own.
And the laugh is, if you want a 9mm in the UK, you can get one in 15minutes
Nigel Appleton (@3:10) is simply incorrect. When the police revoke a firearm certificate the person in question knows EXACTLY why this has happened. Appleton says that the police are "confusing complaint with evidence". Okay Appleton, show us YOUR evidence that this is true. Or are you assuming you know? Unless you have access to the Police systems for recording this kind of thing you cannot possibly know. He also makes the assumption that it costs a lot of money to appeal a firearms certificate revocation. Actually, it is free.
This series of videos is now becoming a bit of a joke, it is just hyperbole trying to extract an emotional response and attract attention for the channel. The comments here show that this channel is now just a magnet for people with an anti-authority attitude. These people are not representative of the hundreds of thousands of certificate holders in the UK and associating with this part of the shooting community will do this channel no good.
@William Tell It is free. You don't have to have to be represented by anyone. Most appellants lose these cases simply because the court agrees with the police decision not because of who represents them.
Costs are not awarded against the appellant in these cases so people that appeal do not get "landed with costs" if they lose. You are worrying about things that cannot happen.
If you think firearm certificate revocations should be handled a different way I suggest you write to your MP. Changing this would mean rewriting all the firearms acts and it is very unlikely many MPs will support that.
If you tell them you want an easier process for people who have had firearms certificates revoked to get them back then I can guarantee you won't get the support of any sensible MP.
4:28
American Visitor: "So, how many shells are you allowed, here in 'Blighty'?"
Bird Shooter (thinks a moment): "Aah, _six"._
Visitor: "Oh, ok - much the same as back home, then. The Remington I like can hold seven, but in my State it has to be plugged down to five. Next State over, I wouldn't have to _do_ that. Cross over the State line going the _other_ way, I'm restricted to _three."_
Bird Shooter: "Oh, I beg your pardon, I see what you mean. One is only allowed 'break - action' shotguns here of course, but if I have _two_ in the Dickson here... and a good man like Carruthers to hold the Purdeys, that's six!"
Have you never seen a semi auto shotgun used in the UK?
You realize that semi auto and pump action shotguns, and single shot centerfire rifles and .22 rimfire semi auto rifles are UK legal. There are also no magazine restrictions and silencers are legal to buy in stores.
@@davidwebb2318 I'm sorry, either I wasn't notified of your reply at the time of posting, which I've found sometimes happens, or could be I just somehow missed it at the time. I'm only just seeing it now, but please forgive the 'necro~reply'. The short answer to your question is "No". But if I were to elaborate - I haven't _lived_ in the UK in 20 years, and when I did, it was less the grouse moors of Perthshire(?) than the Marshes of Hackney where, though it may be 'distasteful' to mention in a forum like this, if there were firearms around you _really didn't_ want to be seeing them, for all sorts of reasons...
My reply really wasn't meant as anything other than a joke (obviously, I hope, though I don't think I'll be selling out the NEC or whatever they're calling the 'Dome' this week, anytime soon!) As such, I never meant to put myself across as a wannabe 'Gun Jesus' or 'Bloke on the Range', and my comment was not meant to be taken as as an authoritive indication of the current state of the gun laws in the UK. Nonetheless, it was an honest, albeit mistaken, representation of my _understanding_ of the rules regarding shotguns... also I did 'gen up' on the subject, if only cursorily, just to be sure, but it turns out that the internet is a confusing morass, full of misinformation - _who knew?!_
@@richiehoyt8487 okay.
The facts are that semi auto shotguns are allowed in the UK on a standard shotgun certificate. The number of cartridges held is restricted to 3 (1 in the chamber, 2 in the magazine). You can get a certificate to allow you to have a semi auto shotgun with a larger capacity if you take part in certain shooting sports that needs it. It isn't complicated but you are right, there is a lot of misinformation out there.
Cheshire are brilliant 🤩
Cheshire are a lying theiveing corrupt hippocritical farce
This exemplifies the difference between being a citizen and a subject.
now youve got pay to have a medical certificate every time you renew now you already give consent for your Dr to be contacted but now you have to spend more by getting your medical records sent to wherever you are getting your licence
If it doesn’t make sense then you need to step back and look at the bigger picture. If you still can’t see it then keep taking a step back. If you see it then you will understand that this is not because of incompetence but by design.
It's literally the same case all over the world in terms of the screws tightening and the fact we've experienced a staged pandemic and soon are going to be heading for a recession is no coincidence. Governments know there's going to be civil unrest. Law abiding citizens might not be so law abiding when the price of everything keeps going up and their value of their money keeps going down.
God help us if sub 12ft/lb airguns end up requiring an FAC. I would have a shotgun for clays but all the hassle puts me off trying. Perhaps that is what the police wish for? It must be threatening to put gun dealers out of business
tbh my experience with the police has been brilliant , i have learnt so much from the lancs firearms , brilliant , great knowledge and fantastic officers
your name says a lot about you bud might explain why you aint happy lol
I waited 12 months in Dorset before I finally had a visit from a firearms officer. It’s really shocking and totally unacceptable.
Lincolnshire are really good
Take Gun control away from the police and hand it back to professional Army under Military districts!
Absolutely never. The Army is horrendous. Here in Norfolk, they've screwed our lovely ranges for no sensible reasons.
Average processing time for a new application in Avon and Somerset was 150 days last time I checked. My application went in at the end of October 2020, it’s been about 161 days now. The people I’ve dealt with throughout the process have been fine, but no one can give me even a rough idea of when it is likely to be done. I think the lack of transparency is the most frustrating part. One positive is that this means applications are up and the shooting community is growing. I’m hopeful that upgrading the backend system will help in future too.
Did you get to hold on to your guns or did they go to an rfd?
I'm in the same situation now.....boooo!
@@keithgaler5586 I realise I got my dates wrong, my application went in October 2021. It was for an application so I don’t currently hold any firearms, I’m still waiting. Goodluck with yours!
How about if one wanted to regularly hunt in Norway during season but lives in the UK? No chance of a FAC I reckon from what I've read about UK laws?
Thanks for this. They can be good about certificating guns for foreign use. You will need to use it if it's a rifle, though, or they will take it away. / Charlie
@@fieldsportstv Thanks for this info. Good to know.
You cant have gun laws made by non gun owners and anti gun people its allways been a complete overreact
Wales too.
Heard this last weekend from a guy in the pub
Hampshire are pretty good. My last renewal (March 2022), only took 3 weeks. Five years previously, it took 2 weeks.
I've had no trouble with Greater Manchester fire Arms div,
the days of have enjoyable weapons has long gone in the UK, with all the stupid knee jerk gun laws
I just got my shotgun certificate how many shotguns can I buy?
Im a gamekeeper and cant get a licence been trying for about 10 years
There must be something quite serious in your background checks. Maybe gamekeeping isn't a good career choice for you if your background prevents you from having a tool that is essential to the job.
@@davidwebb2318 to be honest no there's no reason why i shouldn't have my licence atall my wife has her guns are kept in my house its ridiculous really as sometimes the other keeper leaves me alone for a day or 2 and if i get a fox in a snare im buggerd basically but luckily as of yet that hasn't happened I've always caught a fox in snare when my other keeper has been with me luckily
@@motohunter2390 Almost everyone who has been refused a certificate swears it was the wrong decision. It rarely is.
The fact you are setting snares when you cannot guarantee you will have someone to despatch foxes suggests to me that you are not responsible. Being irresponsible in this way might suggest you would also be irresponsible with firearms. Maybe it is this kind of thing that is the reason the police have refused you a certificate.
@@davidwebb2318 sorry fella but you do not no so dont dare accuse me of shit saying im irresponsible if the day ever comes when im alone and a fox is in a snare 1 of the farmers who own the land or 1 of the farm workers will get a gun and be with me with in 5 minutes so its a not a problem i wouldn't just leave it in a snare for cry sake so dont dare judge me calling me shit when your wrong one of my best mates is the firearms officer for my area and he cant believe why his governor says no to my licence maybe its because im 6ft7 and built like a brick shit house with tattoos and a skin head i dont no but there is no reason why i shouldn't have my licence atall im not a druggy or prisoner or robber or rapist ect im a law abiding citizen and dont tell me what job i should have I've been game keepering for 10 years now and 9 of them years was on 1 of the most famous shoots in the country with a big population of wild grey English partridge which my head keeper got the gold purdey award for a few years back im good at it and its my passion and life i live for it wouldn't change it for nothing so do1 and mind your own business judging me telling me that i shouldn't be a keeper and telling me im irresponsible go away fella
@@motohunter2390 There is a reason the police won't give you a certificate. You might not like it but that is a fact. You might even pretend to yourself there isn't anything in your past but there obviously is.
Firearm certificates are not awarded on your ability to rear good birds. It doesn't matter if you are good at rearing birds. If shoots you have worked on have won awards that is great but the law isn't based on things like that obviously. The only thing that matters is your history of contact with the police and your attitude. They have obviously looked at your past and your discussions with the firearms licensing staff and decided you aren't suitable. You disagree, that is fine but there obviously is a reason. The fact that you cannot understand the reason doesn't mean they are wrong.
FA sees needs to be taken out of the general police control and have a special department for the issue of firearms divock it's an renewals the problem I find with the police is the duty is sometimes given to a officer who has no idea about weapons or storage or security of a building when doing an inspection
You seem to know nothing about this subject at all. It is the legislation that says this has to be deatl with by the police. Most police forces use specialist firearms enquiries officers who know the law and firearms storage requirements inside out.
@@davidwebb2318 it does make you wonder I had an armoury approved with a joint inspection of a local firearms officer Met Police an RAF police officer they both passed the location as safe an authorise the certificate there were a few grey areas that I noted but kept quiet about for obvious reasons so don't tell me that those authorised to do the inspections our specialists it's a joke I knew one specialist who had moved on up the tree and he failed to renew he's firearm certificate he's now an inspector says it all
@@BigM94sqd Clearly there are guidelines on the security of storage of firearms. There aren't hard and fast rules. It is quite likely that the people who inspected your storage also realsied there were some 'grey areas' but on balance they thought it was secure enough. That doesn't mean they are crap at their job, it means they are being practical.
He forgot to renew his firearms licence. So what? You think nobody ever forgets things?
@@davidwebb2318 the ones they missed was in complete violation off the guidelines that they were working to do I need to say more
@@BigM94sqd You are prepared to store firearms in a way that is in "complete violation off[SIC] the guidelines".
Need I say more.
5 months still waiting for home visit Cambridgeshire
today 29th December 22, my shotgun certificate ran out in June, the 24th 2022, still have not got it despite applying in May this year Durham Constabulary they sent me a letter stating that they were extending my current certificate until 24th September 22, but on the 23rd September sent an email stating that I am still on the system but can't purchase ammunition or a new shotgun, wrote to my local MP he wrote to the Durham Firearms who replied to Richard Holt MP that it was not their fault and that I should have applied for renewal earlier going on to say that because I take pain killers for arthritis my medication needs further evaluation which is a crock of shit, I have not been able to shoot now for 6 months and I feel that because I involved my local MP that my application keeps going to the bottom of the pile it is absolutely disgraceful and disingenuous on behalf of Durham Firearms
The UK for Freedom probably has to be the worst place to live in the world you have to bow down to a King for a queen f that mess I'm glad I live in the USA
I haven’t had any issues with Nottinghamshire firearms on both my sc and fc
Took nearly 12 months for an address change woefully inadequate service.
GMP are a joke 10months and waiting for my FAC
Me and my friend was waiting almost 1 year for our shotgun licence
Communism UK
There's no need for any lincences we don't have them in sc except are carry permitt simple background check it takes one or 2 days simple
PAY ATTENTION AMERICA THIS COULD BE THE FUTURE IF PEOPLE DON'T DEMAND THEIR RIGHTS.
The real joke is you are billed up front for the Dr note and submitting the application, with no view on when the process will conclude.
I have been waiting almost 13 months for a SGC and am currently waiting for an interview date to be issued by SGC.
Merseyside are great
Wanted too apply for mine but is it even worth it
Yes it is 🙂 - will keep them on the run at least. / Charlie
Yes true I’ll follow through and apply
@@medicatedflowers821 if ur gunna apply.....change ur user name;)
Poor blokes! I had to wait almost 10 months to get my guns here in America. Of course though it was for machine guns. In West Virginia it is a 10-15 minute wait on all semi autos , handguns or rifles. God bless America!
I only wanted to inform how USA wait times work. Some states are stricter than others. Maryland , which is literally a mile from my house, has a 7 day wait on pistols, and restricts some assault rifles.
What is PM Sunak's stance on guns? Is he better for UK gun owners than Johnson or May?
He supports grouseshooting 🙂
@@fieldsportstv Is that a good sign he's favorable to UK gun owners?
@@fieldsportstv Please forgive my ignorance.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian No politician will support relaxing UK gun laws as its political suicide. They will be ousted as quick as the fire rate of a semi-auto.
Just for the record, some of my views have been edited out of my interview in this video. What wasn't aired is the fact that the police are very short staffed in many counties for general policing let alone admin roles.
That's the issue here in Sweden. Fortunately they are removing the license for silencers in July which will hopefully clear some of the load. Why that shit even existed in the first place is beyond me.
Why can't we be free
You think anyone should be able to have firearms without any sort of licence process?
@William Tell I wish mate lol haha I probs wouldn't be allowed in I've git a bit of a past like haha but was in my younger days I've got kids and family tbh I've never left the UK haha but I've always wanted to go to Amsterdam first then defo America haha I would love it but I've settled with my lass and kids now anyway but if we ever go abroad if I would be allowed I would gladly visit mainly Florida haha all the things I like doing seem to be all legal there but aye even if I could I ain't git the cash to just move to another country haha am not skint but I ain't rich either lol but like I say defo on bucket list to shoot a 50bmg in USA in my lifetime just have to wait till certain bans and restrictions alrradyy have on me in UK even if u get remanded for a week for nothing firearm related weneverbu get out of actaully jail not police station the jail u get an automatic 5 yr firearms ban after release even if you've never even owned any sort of gun for 5 years I've been out and out of trouble just over that so maybe give it another year and I'll apply for shotgun licienece and then maybe be abke to get a 22lr my dad had both his shotgun and seperate firearms licienece and properly to shoot so I've seen and been around air guns and shotguns and crossbows and the 22lr I've seen but never been out with someone would fone police these days even if went out with an air gun lol and armed response be out but my dad used to ring the police and tell them when he was going out as he's had loads of people he's watched walk away and get phone strate out but he said he just used to laugh as like I said he used to tell the police he'd be in a certain area with his gun so if any reports come in they don't waste time rushing over to see everything is legal and he had permission like best way
Can't have the plebs being armed and trying to overthrow the king and his ilk.
Also, the Police in some areas are biased and interpret the law in their own way and not as the law was meant to pertain. My Police Force in Avon and Somerset however are superb and deserve to be congratulated on the way they deal with shooters in their area. BASC however have not been sound in the past on changes of law and procedure and their opinion should not always be relied upon.
I'm applying for an sgc from Avon and Somerset. How long long roughly do they take to process?
Don't forget Norfolk. They are superb.
I find it fascinating how easily I can possess a gun British subjects have such difficulty owning.
Sounds nearly as bad as the complete clusterfuck in New Zealand... my dealer's renewal (annual renewal) has taken eight months so far....
Shottingham for a reason and I bet not one crime caused by a license holder
It is the constant protests and show the nonsense and public across internet (more viewers). Only united things can change
Im in Glasgow . How would i apply for a license ?
Fill out the form here www.scotland.police.uk/spa-media/if1plqpd/firearms-form-201-final.pdf?view=Standard and send it in. / Charlie
At least you can walk freely in public with machete
They can't have the people able to protect themselves when the S**t Hits The Fan! #ThereIsAStormComing
Crazy how they sell AR-15/AR-10s in the UK, but in Canada they're banning them entirely.
The problem is the people who make the laws and regulate these things often have next to know actual knowledge on what they are regulating.
It's like a teacher who isnt qualified teaching a subject they know nothing about
Although there are problems, I must say that Hampshire has been excellent and exceptional in their support to licence holders and although there have been delays, they have been brilliant in maintaining communication and provided routine updates. The bigger problem as always is with the wide range of costs involved in GP medical reviews / certificates and this arguably needs more attention than the inevitable delays as a result of the pandemic which all industries are facing be they private firms, NHS / social care etc. The impact on staff and human resources and vicariously, the wider impact has been felt across all service industries be that diversion of resources to areas of priority or staff being unwell and not able to attend work. I can't comment on other areas and remain grateful that locally, we have a good service....just need to sort out the medical report problems where costs range from free to over £150 in some cases..!
I have found the complete opposite with Hampshire
Hampshire have been good for me. Met were good for my son and processed his renewal in 4 weeks. Surrey and Sussex joined and are overwhelmed telling some people 24 weeks for new applications.
My experience is as follows:
New grant application put in mid November.
Application returned and refunded 23rd December because of COVID. I asked why it couldn't sit in the backlog like every other forces FLD and no-one could provide an answer.
Absolutely no updates on what was happening or when new grants would be accepted again until last week.
I live in Devon and I do pest control with an air rifle and the guy that got me the permissions a deer and fox shooter and local would be great if I had a firearms license i could help out but the way the police are being here it's almost pointless appling for a license so disheartening
The End of the End
The police realise that anarchy is coming ? That’s why they want the shooters of the street ? If your royalty grouse shooting is ok though ? Although I do agree that high velocity/ military grade weapons should not be kept by the public, shooting clubs should available for these kind of firearms ?
Oh dear, I can smell a conspiracy theory heading this way....
@@davidwebb2318 Aren't you going to get a rude awakening soon.
When the corrupt police are routinely armed we true indigenous citizens should also be armed with equal and opposite force
@@mrglasses8953 I don't think so.
@@firstknight6057 You are clearly bonkers. You seem to be a great example of exactly why we do need firearms laws and restrictions.
just got my FAC back from variation after 3 months :/
It should be in the hands of the home office and not done locally, and their should be other stipulations as well !
you mean under the control of the central government which would be worse ! atleast with the county police its under the PCC and not the central government
I'm thankful for the U.S. situation, when these games are played, law enforcement is breaking the law. They still do it, but there's repercussions.