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Should have made sure you had enough fuel to just watch a little bit more and quicker than the person behind you. They would chase you for about 2 plus hours. They Should make a movie like that. Be great cinema lol.
Take the kids where? On the ship? Will there be room? How do they know they won't disrupt the mission? And if they did take them, why would they bring it back to a dying rebel fleet? You people hate on this movie for the most retarded reasons and give no thought to it. Use your brain.
@@welcome2wyzard the fact that none of those reasons were mentioned in the movies shows that whoever wrote it didnt give a shit about that plot hole. A simple "we'll come back for you" would have fixed the whole thing
@@gustavosouzasoares True, but EP9 was destroyed because of this one. It could have been so fucking cool...but no, Johnsen had to fuck it all over for "I DONT CARE! I DO WANT I WANT!"
I heard this today “ No one hates Star Wars like the people who love Star Wars”. I loved the Rise of Skywalker, but it seems that ‘Real Star Wars fans’ seem to hate it. It also depends on age. Revenge of the Sith was made the year after I was born, so I grew up with those already knowing both spoilers. This is the Trilogy I got to see I’m my own, and I love the 7 and 9, but 8 is problematic. I definitely like J.J. better than Rian.
My two biggest problems in this movie are these: -Holdo not telling Poe that they even had a plan. She didn't even have to tell him the plan, she could have just told him that they did have a plan. That way Poe didn't have to start a mutiny. -Rose preventing Finn for sacrificing himself to save thousands of lives. THOUSANDS OF LIVES.
Um, what reason did Holdo have to tell Poe? She was stood down by Leia, so she actually had a reason to not tell Poe. For the second one, explain to me what a broken down, decades-old, piece of junk speeder do to a heavily armored cannon that was obviously designed to be resistant to enemy attacks. Go in. I’ll wait for an explanation.
@@averagenoah Finn was flying right into the laserthingy, he definetly would have done some damage. Like...imagine a metal projectile (albeit being just some loosely connected metal trash) flying with high velocity directly into a gun barrel, before exploding because it also holds fuel tanks - which are suddenly relevant, as the movie tries to point out. It would deform it at least a little bit.
@@averagenoah Because Poe takes matters into his own hands and does reckless things, which they point out when scolding him for his plan with the bombing fleet. Of all people, he is the most likely to make his own plan, which might interfere with the plan they have, and Holdo knows it. All she had to say was “yes, we have a plan. I can’t tell you what it is because we think there’s a spy. But we definitely have a plan, so don’t go doing anything reckless”. And that would’ve saved countless resistance members. As for the speeder, the cannon stores energy then fires it. So presumably, the fuel tanks of the ship exploding combined with a high speed metal projectile would be enough to cause said energy to be released as an explosion, destroying the cannon, and maybe other First Order vehicles nearby. Now fair enough, we can’t accurately measure the durability of a fictional cannon, but the energy must’ve been stored somewhere. And if it’s as powerful as it’s portrayed to be, then most of the physical cannon besides the hole bit that fires would’ve been for storing energy rather than armour. But ultimately, the bottom line is that Finn was going to sacrifice himself for something that might’ve worked while Rose almost killed herself stopping something that might’ve worked.
@@averagenoah Disney femboy, Finn could easily have destroyed it. Well if he couldnt have destroyed it how come Holdo managed to cut Snokes ship in half? Does that make sense?
Not really, but it does make more sense if you consider she was saving the cannon and not Finn. She *is* a mechanic, after all. What do mechanics love more than machines?
@@CthulhuTheory sure she does know there a an army is in front of her right like what the point if ur freakin dead and also pretty sure they would have died in the crash
Anyone else disappointed the guy in the casino wasn't Lando? Already established that the dude dresses swag, likes to gamble, and knows all kinds of tricks.
The point of DJ was to represent a guy who was not with the good guys or the bad guys, showing Finn the negative effect of being neutral during a war. That way Finn officially decides to become a rebel
I was mad that they wasted beltoro on that nobody role. Would of been better if Snoke had him as a secret sith he was training in order to test Ben. Like he did with maul doku and vader
or rose getting the entire resistance killed because "you dont kill what you hate" or admiral gender studies causing all the internal conflict that could have been defused with a 10 second explanation (not like there was a reason for the plan to be secret) or how all space battles have been rendered pointless as all hyperdrive ships are now superweapons
@@bushie09 Nah, it's not exactly a good strat to use suicide bomber tactics, particularly not in actual space battles where, you know, there's fighters and shit moving around and not just sitting there.
The Mad Titan nah I agree with sting. Yoda had basically always spoken in reverse unless the sentence was too short to put it in reverse and that sentence he just said had so many words that he should have said it in reverse. Makes no sense for him to not speak in reverse. Also, even if it was only one time that’s irrelevant. One time is all we need.
The biggest and greatest sin of all is how poorly written these movies actually were. Seriously!!! There is an entire f***king Star Wars universe built on by fans since the creation of Star Wars!!!! Whose potential is by far infinitely greater than the plots of these f***ing sequels. Which by the way are so lazily written that they not only repeated the plot of the first movie in the first sequel movie but also threw a whole bunch of plot armor and a whole lot of other bullsh*t that they dare call f***ing a plot and labeled it the second Star Wars sequel movie!!!!!!!!!! It’s a F***ING DISGRACE and should have never been created!!!!
captain drama Thank you. It's maddening that people are upset about the fuel. Of course these ships use fuel they're f*cking space ships. Did people just think they worked by magic? There are problems with this movie but the fuel is not it.
RedRabbitRum I get that this trilogy ignored some source material, but not every piece of content in and about Star Wars has to be entirely based on ONLY the first three movies. Not everything about the Force has to be a Force-push and a mind trick, and not everything about hyper-fast space travel has to be just straight from point A to point B. I think they actually introduced some neat new stuff with the Force and with hyperspace, with the dyad and the lightspeed-skipping and the telekinetic freezing-in-place and the mental-absorption-via-telepathy AND THE F*CKING LIGHTSPEED KAMIKAZE. If anything, three movies is enough source material to go on for the story, but just isn’t for the content, and I feel that’s one of the only things they did right. But then again, I’m one of the asshole kids who grew up as this trilogy did, so what do I know when compared to “real fans”?
@@tomduckworth6430 The big point wasn't the fuel itself. The point was that fuel was NEVER a problem in ANY of the Star Wars movies. Basically Cinemasins is pointing out how it's some new BS being used to carry the plot when it could've just been avoided in general.
@@bigorange2082 Plus they're just concentrated portions of heat and light, meaning they have no mass, meaning if there was gravity it still wouldn't pull them down.
That bit of Leia ordering Poe to disengage, and Holdo blaming Poe for the mission, is made all the more infuriating when it was revealed that Holdo was the one who brought the bombers. And they were brought SOLELY for the purpose of attacking the Dreadnaught.
Holdo's hyperspace maneuver should count. It completely breaks prior established rules about hyperspace travel. Hyperspace travel is not going really fast, it's jumping into another dimension, so her ship shouldn't have been able to crash into the First Order's ships. Otherwise at the ending of Rogue One where the rebels are escaping into hyperspace and then Vader's ship appears right in front of them should have resulted in multiple collisions.
I mean if the “Holdo Maneuver” was real then why did the empire spend trillions on a planet destroyer instead of sending a star destroyer into a planet instead. It’s an obvious, “this movie is such shit, we need a semi cool shot to make it look better.”
@@gingeridous859 exactly. This is clearly the most effective space weapon ever conceived in Star Wars, other than plot armour, and would make nearly every other weapons system obsolete. Have a planet you need to take out? Lightspeed ram. Capital ship approaching? Lightspeed kamikaze some x-wings at it. They don't even need to be piloted, or expensive. Attach a hyperdrive onto a tungsten rod = lightspeed rail gun. Maybe too expensive to be ubiquitous, but certainly would become a centrepiece of galactic strategy. Attack from distance of light-hours or light- minutes from the target, then hyperdrive yourself to another location and do it again. Could bring a system down with a dozen ships in a week or two.
@@EarlofSedgewick But even below lightspeed such a weapon would make a lot of sense. A tungsten rod at 99% lightspeed would also basically obliterate a planet. Also since the first trilogy (I think it was ROTJ) showed that star destroyers have a hard time turning around/swerving aside, even a 50% lightspeed tungsten rod would be able to hit them and turn them to dust. Also also the Super Star Destroyer colliding with Death Star 2 must've had a very low relative speed or it wouldn't have been turned to dust but outright destroyed the latter.
@@magicmulder this is all true. If anyone thought about this universe from a hard science fiction lens, there are some obviously massive problems. For instance, near- lightspeed accelerators would an obvious weapon to at least contemplate, given distances. But there are lots of reasons why this might quickly been blunted, which could be a bit bullshitted, just to make it a bit more cohesive, and not a ungrounded fantasy adventure world where people don't make decisions based on the rules of their universe, but rather the rules of whatever production team wants as a set-piece, visual, plot device, etc
Qui-Gon teleported matter through the force in 'Phantom Menace' so there is precedent for that. Not good precedent as it was 'Phantom Menage' but precedent.
@@insulam821 He used the force to teleport the sample of Anakin's blood to Obi-Wan for analysis. It's not overplayed but if you watch he tells Obi-Wan on the radio he's sending it then Obi-Wan opens his hand and has it.
@@Djarra No Qui-Gon did not teleport matter through the force, he sent a signal through the transponder he had. Are you actually addled? A transmission through technology is not the same thing as teleporting matter through the force, which frankly has always been impossible in Star Wars till now. Even now it doesn't make sense, Luke was merely a projection, nothing could have been physical, yet somehow it was. The movie contradicts itself and Kylo/Ben breaks it further in episode 9
To those of you who were wondering why Cinemasins didn't add more sins, they _were_ going to. They had a whole fleet of bonus rounds ready to go and tackle this abomination of a film. But they ran out of fuel.
@@MartianFruit same here. I only see hate for this movie online. Everyone I know that has seen this film either likes it or doesn't mind it. Haven't met anyone face to face that hates the movie as much as anyone online does.
It was a pretty good movie. Alright plot (a few plot holes but meh), amazing cinematography, on-point action, good character, and amazing design on everything (bar costumes and horses)
There were other means of destruction and it was great surprise and masterfully shot scene especially with no sound. People can yell "Ruin Johnson" all they want but he has the ability to direct well. I think he just needs better material. This was leaps and bounds better than Batman v. Superman. Also a director can only do so much with a shitty script. His task isn't to rewrite.
Now, I have a theory about this one. In Star Wars (assuming any part of Legends is still applicable) ships in hyperspace can't collide with things in the real world, because they don't exist in Hyperspace. So if an X-wing goes to hyperspace, it can't collide with and destroy an X-wing in the real world, or a corvette or whatever. The exception is REALLY big stuff. Planets. Stars. Etc. These things are huge enough that they generate "mass shadows" which pull things out of Hyperspace so they crash into them at crazy speeds, and die horribly. I don't think a ship travelling at Hyperspace speed can destroy a planet (or the empire would have just used that), and similar logic applies to the death star (I think): incredibly thick, an insane amount of armour, and probably a crazy ton of redundant components and systems. The only vulnerable bit was the core, which any hyperspace-ramming ship probably got vaporised long before it gets to. The Supremacy sits in the nasty sweet spot: it's big enough to generate a mass shadow, BUT small enough (compared to the death star) that a hyperspace ram causes it serious damage. Add in the fact it's not a sphere with all the important stuff at the centre, but a sort of wedge shape that a shape could feasibly cut through, and it's the perfect target for a hyperspace ram. perhaps the only one. But that's a personal theory.
@@linkyboi5961 well then you should stay out of the comment section because the Star Wars fanbase (I love Star Wars but it’s true) is known for being very very very toxic
And that line she gave, in the middle of a full on war, unironically, was so enraging to me; Not just as a former Star Wars fan, but as a person with some basic, barebones knowledge on how to wage a war.
+CinemaSins *YA DIDN'T "OUTTAKE" LEIA FLYING THROUGH SPACE WITH A YONDU, "I'M MARY POPPINS Y'ALL!!"...VOICEOVER??!!!!!!!!* *........AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH(inhale)AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!* *DAMN YOU ALL STRAIGHT TO HELLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!*
@@b3rz3rk3r9 right? Like “yeah let’s just try to save each other as they gun us down like animals. Because that will help us survive! Why bother trying to fight back?” Honestly she should’ve pushed Finn and out to sacrifice herself. That way she would’ve been more useful.
@@LegendHxz EXACTLY! This also enraged me as a hopeful future writer, because a character with ultimately no arc or interest to grip the viewer shattered a fitting end to Finn's arc as a Imperial turncoat; a stormtrooper who decided to serve the resistance of his own will to where he'd die for their cause. It'd be one of many fitting ends for Finn's arc.
the biggest sin in this movie is the sheer disrespect for Luke. As much as I loved seeing Yoda again, Luke should have BEEN the Yoda of this movie. Wise beyond belief, instead he ends up getting lectured by Yoda again like he was still a teenager. And wtf you're telling me the same Luke Skywalker that spent all of RoJ risking his life to save Darth Vader the most evil man in the universe because he thought he could turn him would even for a second of weakness contemplate killing his beloved nephew who hadn't even done anything? And that was the catalyst for Ben turning? Fuck you Disney, give me literally George Lucas back. The stuff about him looking like a hobo drinking from weird alien boobs is just a perfect visual representation to what they've done to my favorite starwars character. I don't even want to see how this crap finishes at this point. And I sat through all three of the Lucas prequels.
I'm sorry but you might not want George Lucas anyway. Unless you like your Whills, then you do you even though this random person on the net would hate you for it. I'd rather have had more stuff like Rogue One even though it apparently adds nothing according to others.
@@Bucky147 I'm not calling the prequels good. I've seen the red letter media reviews and agree with them. I'm saying that compared to this movie I'd rather have those shitty prequels. At least they were fun to explore in the extended universe. I'm never going to want to go to casino planet.
I completely agree with him on that decision with the cannon, she’s not important enough of a character to be ruining heroic sacrifices to save lives, just because she doesn’t want her stupidly low chance love interest dying.
So wait.. He literally says "Murder the shit out of everyone" And then someone immediately goes "Hey one of those people you just told us to kill is at our front door and wants to talk, so...what do we do?"
There are a few movies where the good guy being so openly brazen and ballsy to start casually bantering and insulting the bad guy actually stuns them into not immediately killing the good guy actually works and looks cool. Say Guardians of the Galaxy. But it has become overdone and now it seems like the bad guy is obligated to actually listen to a cocky little try hard insulting him with no back up or means of being a threat. I find it hard to believe that Hux, who knows he is liable to being horribly force tortured if he acts stupidly, would do anything other than shut off communications and kill Poe
@@DavidNicholson101 difference is the doctor is an immortal genius that can end a race with just his brains so not listening to what he is saying is actually dangerous
Infinite sins for killing off one of the most iconic characters of Star Wars in the first 10 minutes of the movie, offscreen, with a little explosion, and barely any buildup!! RIP Admiral Ackbar... your death in legends was so much better.
@@BGOutOfService I don't know if you've had the decency to pick up a book every so often, but Admiral Ackbar was a greatly developed character in the Star Wars books, and while they're no longer canon, they're much better than Ackbar's death in this movie or whatever role he played in whatever fanfictions you might be spending your time reading
@@BGOutOfService Ok, I can agree with that. There was some weird stuff that I haven't actually looked at in the EU, but some of the other story arcs are really good, and they build on the previously established characters well
Well in his defence: before the battle of Yavin we see the Rebel Fighters attached to some hoses. So they need some kind of refilling/recharging. But until now there was apparently a unlimited supply to both sides of every conflict. But yes it is ludicrous to make it THE plot point for this movie. And even if... this movie is just too bad on too many levels.
I wouldn't have even minded the idea if RJ had any idea how physics worked. You can explain away the movements with their engines and propulsion systems, but space ships don't just stop in space because they run out of fuel.
You missed the one where Finn drags Rose the entire length of the battlefield and back through the front door... in front of the whole First Order attack force... in less time then it took for them to drive out there in the first place 🤦🏼♂️
@@pyr1412 I don't think you understand how far out they were. They were (or at least should have been) heavily injured by the crash as well. Never mind the hours it should have taken to get back, they shouldn't even have been able to move to begin with.
How did they even get these tiny ships out of the base when its so clearly been closed and apparently the only way in and out? They sure wouldnt have opened the big fucking door to let them out and create an opportunity for the First Order to get inside?
@@cobo7548 Or the one that has a perfect opening to kill Rey dead, but hesitates for no reason other than "the script says her and Kylo are supposed to win this scrap".
For real, he took sins off for the worst choreographed fight in Star Wars while sinning Anakin vs Obi Wan for being “boring”, and took a bunch of sins off the Holdo Maneuver scene without questioning why nobody has done it before or since.
Extra sin for the bomber scene: When Paige is dropping the bombs, the bomb bay doors are clearly open, and Paige cannot breathe and should be sucked into the vacuum of space.
I hated how rose “saved” Finn.He should have sacrificed himself that would have been good for his character but she risked her life and Finns by crashing into each other
And considering the tiny role Finn played in the next film, killing him off would not have significantly changed the trilogy. Everything he did could have been done by someone else.
Right? Finn was trying to save the others and she crashed into him. She could have no way of knowing whether she was saving him or murdering him. What she did was not only selfish, but incredibly foolish.
I think what was probably scripted on the page, but was not conveyed well, was that Finn's maneuver was not going to be successful. "It's too late" meaning that the cannon was going to tear his ship apart before he reached it so his death would have been pointless. I think that was going to be the essence of the scene, but they let Finn's ship get too close to the cannon.
Nah, I liked that, actually. It took that Independence Day "ram the doomsday device" and then subverted our expectations. In fact, all the subversion and plot twists was what saved this film, if you ask me. But to each their own :) .
Rewatching the movie, I noticed one sin CinemaSins and I had missed until tonight. Understandably, we all direct our undivided attention to the idiocy of Rose when she stops Finn's suicide run and says that dumb line about saving the things you love. But how do the two of them travel from the enemy's feet a mile or so back to the base in plain sight, in broad daylight, and across terrain that turns red when disturbed? I miss George Lucas.
I think the movie is good, but this scene doesn't make any sense, why the ATATs didn't shot them and Finn was trying to save who he love too, so why the Rose stoped him with the same argue???
@@magicalpj it would, simple example imagine a round stock in the barrle of the gun and explodes inside setting of the other bullets the gun would be f****. If Fin went straight into that thing it would explode on itself.
wait, they're in space right? you know, a frictionless vacuum? so if fuel's such a concern, why not just turn off the engines and just keep going that way?
From very beginning SW has never been big on physics unlike something like Babylon 5. It's Science Fantasy so getting science right has never been priority.
Well, if physics work they way they do in our universe (which, well, they don't, clearly), then while the engines are on, all the ships should be constantly accelerating with exponential degradation equal to the amount of thrust provided. So, of the rebel fleet cut the engines, yes, they'd still be moving at a constant speed, but the First Order would fairly quickly overtake them
@@Paulafan5 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Honestly don't know what to tell you. The rebel ships are smaller, so maybe they just have much smaller tanks comparatively than the star destroyers. I agree the fuel plot bit felt really clunky (as well as the casino planet, god that bit was awful), I was just pointing out why shutting the engines down wouldn't be a solution
Actually they were running low on fuel before the battlewhen the resistance sent out a distress signal admiral ackbar only sent half fuel ships because that's all he had
@@silverspartangaming6963 still... why do they run on this fuel that only lasts a short amount of time. Even on half fuel something that advanced should last longer.
@@TheHandleOnTH-cam you've got to think they were running full speed also a few it's meant to last at least a week they would have run out a long time and it in Saipan out the full tanks and their base
The entire thing is god damn ridiculous. Fuel is just a form of stored energy, these ships are supposed to have gigantic reactors like miniature suns. They arent meant to need any kind of external fuel, before this they pulled shit from hyperspace. Even if they didnt the idea that they run on gas like a car and they were down to like a quarter tank is sheer writer > logic and established canon.
Also: How did the Force can project a Jedi to another planet and make you at will materialize and de-materialize? I think, Ryan Johnson is like Alex Kurtzman in Star Trek. He's ignoring every canonic world-building so that he can shove his plot down our throats and we have to like it! -.-
That or LITERALLY, this is a force move that ultimately results in him dying...why couldn't his force projection also be able to interact with solid objects like lightsaber but then Kylo gets teh upper hand, gets a stab in, finds out it's a force projection and then Luke dies. Same result, except more badass and truer to the legend and badassery of Luke Skywalker.
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The fact you took a sin off and explained how perfectly filmed the fight against the knights of Snoke were, you have no idea how truly bad that fight was choreographed and filmed. Despite minimal cuts, there was no use of any sort of force or timing, there is many points where you see a knight pause to attack, and there is no flow or force like feel to either Rey or Kilo. Truly an awful fight, that you don’t understand. I love these CinemaSins, but that truly was a miss
That kid who legit used the force to pick up his broom at the end of this movie isnt even SEEN in the next one. Edit: now im wondering if he knows he can use the force. Or if that was the first time that happened. "Oh, my broom just sorta floated into my hands. Ok, no questions. This is a universe were people can go from being in a place with little to no oxygen to being surounded by oxygen in seconds and not be affected."
I really don't care about that - it was an entertaining fight scene. In the cinema I didn't notice any of the red guys not actually doing anything, etc. I probably wouldn't have noticed on multiple rewatches if I hadn't had TH-cam to point these things out. Why would I? You only notice these things if you're actively looking for things not to like, which I think is a little sad. Don't get me wrong, The Last Jedi is a mess, but this was not a factor.
@@semanticsamuel936 You're not entire wrong, but not entirely right. In the case of movies like ROtJ, You'd only notice the Luke doesn't really that one guy on the barge if you were actually looking for something. The the case of this movie, however, it's pretty much presented to be picked apart, and as Dennis Shih said, the way it's filmed only makes it easier to spot.
It sucked. Kylo acted like he was in slow motion for it, and to me, he looked like shit. He was basically tripping over himself, while doing dance moves, then he held his sabre forward for no reason while dancing.
Midichlorians don't ruin Star Wars. They're just cells. There's no changing the original trilogy with midichlorians. Midichlorians are just a scientific way to understand Force potential.
@@LeeEverett1 He technically asked for fuel, but he did it as a cover up for infiltrating Utapau, so in a way you could argue that he didn't need the fuel. Also iirc he arrived in a short-range fighter ship, instead of a proper long-range transporter. Sure, transporters would probably need fuel as well (just think about it logically), but short-range fighters don't do hyperspace. At least not on their own, as presented in the Prequels and OT.
2:43 Referring to the Porgs as “discount Ewoks” is offensive, considering the Ewoks were useful, cuddly, and easy to get along with. The term you’re looking for is “Discount Gungans”
Honestly, the "We have a spy aboard" alternate subplot (rather than "I have a plan, I'm just not telling you!" BS) would have made her character intriguing, especially with that layer of "Is she a traitor, or genuinely being helpful here?" mentality. It'd color every action she had while on the mission with Finn with that flavor, and even her gamble of knocking him away from his suicide dive would be tinged with "Was that her saving Finn, or saving the First Order's cannon?" Seriously, she would have made a *perfect* potential mole without ever actually confirming if she was one or not! Hell, they wouldn't even have to rewrite a single bit of what she said - every action and every word would be tinged with that suspicion, and that suspicion would have made her more engaging by proxy. I should also add that I honestly wasn't bothered by her character - but I agree that the subplot with her and Finn was largely pointless, but that was kind of the point, in this case. That the heroes wouldn't necessarily make the right call all the time.
@@TheFrugalVideoGamer I understand that people undertake pointless actions, but I tend to view that kind of like sleeping, going to the bathroom or buying socks, things that do happen in real life but are so boring you don't include them in your films. That incredibly long and pointless cul de sac on Space Vegas, while definitely intended to subordinate plot to message, ground an already sluggish movie to a grinding halt. And I have heard the argument it motivates Finn etc, but there had to be a less soporific way to do it.
It was a horrible choreography. Kylo slammed his saber into the ground every 10 seconds but didn’t get his head cut off? They still attacked that saber ON THE GROUND instead of his defenseless body. Two dudes were waiting to join in. One casually lost his dagger when he had the chance to kill Rey with it,....
@@originaler31er67 They were going for his legs and he struck the ground blocking them. Also Rey's vanishing blade isn't the first continuity error in star wars just look at vanishing Obi wan lol
@@techno639 thats hardly an excuse. The red soldiers had to intentionally miss and add time wasting flair to not throw off the fight. It was not even background errors
The first time I saw that I remember thinking afterwards that something really stupid just happened But I wasn’t sure what, I had two watch it Again before I realized just how stupid it really was
This movie is flawed, but It's not terrible! For christs sake people hate it just because it's a big change and they're so far up their old star wars asses that they can't accept it! GOD!
@@LunaKey nah man the movie is fucking abysmal. This whole new trilogy is just a cash grab for disney honestly. They completely ruined Luke's whole character and what he stands for, Rey has no character development whatsoever, and kylo ren is a whiney emo dude. Not to mention how god awful the lightsaber duels are.
+100 sins for breaking the concept of hyperspace for the rest of all time, while simultaneously making me question why they didn’t ram small ships at hyperspeed during the beginning of every space battle.
Everyone says that. "If ramming ships into other ships at light speed is so effective why don't they do it all the time?" For the same reason I don't wipe my ass with hundred dollar bills, they can't AFFORD TO WASTE RESOURCES LIKE THAT. They're supposed to be like and/or the new rebel alliance, a very poor, and very small group fighting against and oppressive and evil enemy.
@@joshuacase5639 The rebels lost hundreds or maybe thousands of x wings and y wings battleing each death star. With this tactic they would have used 1.
@@juandrefourie8572 Yes they had more money, but why would they waste star destroyers Willy nilly like that? It's a way better idea to keep all of your pieces and use them strategically to defeat the enemy. And I'm sure the imperial admirals thought the same. And as the movie explained, it's an act of desperation, and the resistance is apparently always desperate, so they do reckless, risky, and sacrificial stuff.
Oh I mean consistency wise. Rose and that Codebreaker dude totally get forgotten (showing how they were never intended to be in Abram’s original script). So many plot holes and side plots just highlighted. But that’s just my opinion.
I loved the new movie, but my liking for this movie has fallen quite a bit. I think J.J. Abrams and Rian has very different thoughts on where this should go, so they just contradict each other. But I like J.J. Abrams better.
All the exposition really ground my gears. "Oh finally, the camera is on us, I can finally give this order or share this information I would've normally given my crew in an actual briefing half an hour ago!"
Disney must be paying him to keep the sin counter low. When I first saw it, I figured there'd be no voice at all, just the sin counter pinging away for 20 minutes.
TBH in Revenge of the Sith Obi-Wan said to the people on Utapau that he needed a refuel for his ship. So technically this isn't the first time fuel has been mentioned.
I'm more surprised you spent your free time re watching all the Star wars episodes looking for any moment where fuel is mentioned once. Unless you just googled it and are just repeating what someone else said, who wasted their free time lol.
@@TylerGTA Seriously, you didn't know that Star Wars fan do that? Even low level fans can repeat virtually every word of A New Hope just seeing a soundless playback.
Have you seen LCC lightsaber duels, or fan duels in general? Grown up Star Wars kids understand choreography better than the morons that made that mashup of wild flailing.
The fight scene at the end had a couple of sins, some guy just falls over without being touched, and Rey should have died at one point but somehow just doesn’t after dropping her lightsaber and catching it again while a guy pressed a blade up to her throat
@@thahoule7924 Oh yes, because of one continuity issue with a sword and a slight choreography error. Therefore, it SUCKS! You know how many of those things I can find in The Empire Strikes Back?
@@beckettmaffei yeah, two thingd to considerd here 1) NOWHERE in empire does a weapon judt disappear from the hands of an enemy mid-fight bc the hero would be dead if it didnt. 2)empire is decades old, tlj is a young movie which should be hold to todays standarts. And that just shouldnt happen these days
@@thahoule7924 No. You can't excuse Empire for that. If there's a mistake, there's a mistake. And also- these TWO things in the Throne Room Scene are things that people had to slow down and look for. If you don't see them without looking for mistakes, they shouldn't count.
Holdo was just incompetent and thinks she knows better than everyone (reminds me of the part of society she represents). Rose is a new level of annoying and has a stupidity that even Jar Jar couldn't match--at least _he_ managed to save people sometimes.
And the Ackbar Actor who is over the age of 60 *cried on set* because he was so hurt that *THAT'S* how his character ends. Since he knew Ackbar since 1983. th-cam.com/video/SjLXy1EBfdI/w-d-xo.html He cried right after Rian Johnson asked him to do this joke: th-cam.com/video/2Dd3NIXZhaw/w-d-xo.html
Bc it isnt actual speed of the ship, it is interdimensional travel. Think of it like the nether in minecraft,a block distance in the nether is an 8 block distance in the overworld(normal dimension)
@@AdmiralBlackstar huh? Don't think that how that work in Star Wars. Where did you get that information from? Also, IF you include things like the WEG books and the jump out scene from Rouge One where ships smash angainst the SD as they make a jump, it implies this shouldn't work. But seriously, curious as to the info source, i might of missed something.
@@davidgipe997 well in VII we see Solo jump past Starkiller Base' s advanced shields because it has a refractional refresh rate. This is the same shield they used on the Supremacy. And it didn't work in Rogue One is because those ships used an older type of system that didn't have that weakness.
@@AdmiralBlackstar ok i can see speed allowing to slip past a fraction of a second. But that doesn't explain why the SD in Rouge One didn't shatter like the supremacy with the multiple ships jumping out. They would be jumping like Holdo. And even if it didn't breach to hyper it would of been a C fractional (high percentage of light speed) hit. Since Velocity i believe is the factor being pointed at in the Holdo maneuver. Did i miss a line where the Supremacy was equiped with a similar deflector shield or is it in the encyclopedia?
I was fine with the lack of training. Its not a Rocky movie, not every star wars needs a training montage. That's just me though. I'm fine not seeing Bruce Wayne's patents die in every Batman movie and I'm happy with just assuming Jedi can do force shit.
@@BabysitterSky Name one Jedi that's never had to do any sort of training. Even Darth Bane and Satele Shan, the most gifted Jedi and Sith in the Star Wars universe, still had to hone their skills. Even if Rey's training was something that was mentioned in passing, like Mara Jade's, at least it would be some justification for her ability.
@@dangerdash4393 I think the movie is good, without the romance between Rose and Finn and the OP Rey that knows how to fly a starship very well, knows how to use a lightsaber very well, knows how to shot with a blaster very well and knows how to control the force very well
I'm astounded you removed a sin for that lightsaber fight. You should have added at least 6, one for each time you can see a red twirly dude wait their turn before jumping in to be stabbed.
@@DKGifford19608 because its a waste of resourses. they cant afford the hyper drives to use as just nukes. its legit one of the most expensive things in the universe. and its ineffective in most situations anyways, as it would typically only destroy 1 ship. this only destroyed multiple because the initial impacted ship is so massive and their formation is ineffective as their main ship is in the front instead of the back where you would really want it
@@thasnoxi1291 With the empire throwing out an entire array of super star destroýers and super weapons that needed entire fleets to get taken down, Im pretty sure that it would be worth it anyway. They could have destroyed both Death Stars with ease or the fleets attacking Hoth or defending Endor, with only one shot. The empire on the other hand (that definitly has MORE then enough ressources to do something like that) could simply crashed one of those into the Rebel bases on Javin 4 or Hoth. Imagine one hammering into the close formation of the rebel fleet above Endor. That could have ended the civil war right there.
@@thasnoxi1291 A few Hyperdrives undoubtedly costs less then the half a dozen superweapons the First Orded made... and half of their superweapons have massively complex hyperdrives The Supremacy, the Dreadnought... Starkiller Base. Heck even the bombers that Poe sent on the original suicide mission had Hyperspace Drives. starwars.fandom.com/wiki/MG-100_StarFortress_SF-17 And in a universe where things like the Dreadnoughts, Death Stars and Star Killer base only require 1 well aimed shot to destroy something even a limited weapon which can cut through all armor is God tier. Your reasons are Poodooo. Stop excusing bad writing which did not examine the existing framework it was supposed to fit into.
@@thasnoxi1291 every single ship has a hyperdrive...even the X-wings.. Poe sacraficed an entire fleet worth of hyper drives to take out one star destroyer at the begining of the movie. If it was possible to just hyperspace kamikaze it, they could've saved their whole fleet and hundreds of lives. I understand the need to try to make sense of plot holes, but this was just unjustifiably poor writing.
10:33 according to the explanation provided by the books, he deliberately got himself thrown in jail for a very minor offense, specifically because that’s the one place where he was guaranteed some (largely) uninterrupted sleep! The one thing about this whole thing I actually liked, though I can’t quite put my finger on why.
@@WeavileLady Yep, properly insane and running around looking for confirmation bias. The people who actual try to complain about political stuff are legit insane. They're just making stuff up to see shadows where there aren't any People who actually fall to the mental state where they're the equivalent of a parody of nitpicking has something seriously wrong with them, too
@@brando3342 Ah, the mere act of disagreeing with you makes you literally say that. You don't even know what my opinion is, lol. You just throw me under the bus because its not agreeing with you. Yes, you are properly insane.
Great work as always. Only one gripe. At 16:13 sins were removed for the suicide jump into the first order dread. Really twenty sins should have been added. This scene is a very lore breaking event.
Well, no. Boba Fett was not just tossed away. He plays the proper badass that he’s universally known to be. Each Star Wars film mirrors the amount of villains that the opposite include. In episode 4 the Death Star, Vader and Tarkin are each their own threat within the narrative. In episode 1 the Trade Federation, Maul and Sidious. Episode 5, we again have 3 villains; Vader, Fett/Jabba and the Emperor (not including the Wampa, nor the walkers) Episode 2, Dooku/CIS, Shapeshifter/Fett and Sidious (not including the sand people, nor the shitty animals in the coliseum scene) But then in episode 6 we have Fett and Jabba again, but this time they can be considered as separate threats within the narrative. And we can also include the Death Star, Palpatine and Vader on that list. And if we look at episode 3 we can see; Dooku, General Grievous/CIS, Vader, Palpatine and, of course, the Clone Army. Not only does he serve the structure of the series perfectly, but Fett is a badass within the narrative, being able to track the Millennium Falcon and deduce where they would go, plus he was the only one that knew where the Falcon was hidden. Plus, he isn’t even doing it for the Empire or Jabba really. He’s a bounty hunter. Just doing it for the money, just like Han in the first film. That’s why he’s a badass, because he’s supposed to be Han’s villain.
You should’ve added 50 sins to the ship going to light speed and cutting through the other ship. If that made sense they could’ve done that to the Death Star. Also, there have been many clone wars and scenes where people have exploded because they crashed into a ship in light speed.
@@jeffreycn1 the death star was deliberately built to explode at the slightest malfunction. Put a hyperdrive on an x-wing, put a droid in to kamikaze itself into the weak spot. Boom. Literally. There is nothing the empire can do to defend against an attack like that. For that matter, why would the empire go to such insane length to build a planet sized space laser when they could just hyperdrive giant ships into planets for the exact same effect?
@@ThisAdamGuy You want to send a fighter accurately into a 2m-wide exhaust port at lightspeed. That would require much more precise targeting than what Holdo did.
3:32 Poe actually did his job insanely well. His actions (somehow managing to take out a bunch of fighters and all the cannons to allow the bombers to get to the dreadnought. Which apparently was necessary to destroy for them to be able to escape.) Why he was ordered back was completely unexplainable.
@@xxraddude3621 did you read my whole comment? Apparently if he didn't manage to take out the dreadnought it would have annihilated the Resistance fleet. He's not the brightest bulb in the box but in this case I think he was right.
@@xxraddude3621 what. they were being tracked through hyperspace? how? and they were able to get a shot off at the planetside base, which would have annihilated the fleet if they had proper prioritization
Ships in the other star wars films: I can travel across the entire galaxy without breaking a sweat. Ships in the Last Jedi: I can only do a couple jumps and then I'm useless.
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Geh.
You should make another channel called musician mistakes and critique the lyrics
CinemaSins do Star Trek, the 2009 one
No, you just wanted more views. Admit it.
I literally watched the original yesterday. Come on.
I intended to watch this all the way to the end.
But I ran out of fuel.
Should have made sure you had enough fuel to just watch a little bit more and quicker than the person behind you. They would chase you for about 2 plus hours. They Should make a movie like that. Be great cinema lol.
hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
I think that's what happened when I was watching this movie....
Uts always the fuel ...
-1 sin for this comment.
How many sins for Rose saving animals but leaving the slave-children to rot?
Oh yeah, because most of you TH-camrs would sooner try to feed a crying baby than pet a miniature horse with open scars
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 I've raised my children. Luckily they have more sense than you seem to...
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Lol, I would kick the horses off a cliff than save the kids.
Take the kids where? On the ship? Will there be room? How do they know they won't disrupt the mission? And if they did take them, why would they bring it back to a dying rebel fleet? You people hate on this movie for the most retarded reasons and give no thought to it. Use your brain.
@@welcome2wyzard the fact that none of those reasons were mentioned in the movies shows that whoever wrote it didnt give a shit about that plot hole. A simple "we'll come back for you" would have fixed the whole thing
“You’re telling me that the force can teleport matter now?”
Wait until this guy gets a load of The Rise of Skywalker
Yeah, what a fucking mess. A true disappointment.
The last jedi was a bigger mess than the rise of skywalker
@@gustavosouzasoares True, but EP9 was destroyed because of this one. It could have been so fucking cool...but no, Johnsen had to fuck it all over for "I DONT CARE! I DO WANT I WANT!"
@@Fion355 RoS was straight up, nothing but damage control. They did the best with what they could, but holy fuck was it disappointing.
I heard this today “ No one hates Star Wars like the people who love Star Wars”. I loved the Rise of Skywalker, but it seems that ‘Real Star Wars fans’ seem to hate it. It also depends on age. Revenge of the Sith was made the year after I was born, so I grew up with those already knowing both spoilers. This is the Trilogy I got to see I’m my own, and I love the 7 and 9, but 8 is problematic. I definitely like J.J. better than Rian.
My two biggest problems in this movie are these:
-Holdo not telling Poe that they even had a plan. She didn't even have to tell him the plan, she could have just told him that they did have a plan. That way Poe didn't have to start a mutiny.
-Rose preventing Finn for sacrificing himself to save thousands of lives. THOUSANDS OF LIVES.
Um, what reason did Holdo have to tell Poe? She was stood down by Leia, so she actually had a reason to not tell Poe.
For the second one, explain to me what a broken down, decades-old, piece of junk speeder do to a heavily armored cannon that was obviously designed to be resistant to enemy attacks. Go in. I’ll wait for an explanation.
@@averagenoah Finn was flying right into the laserthingy, he definetly would have done some damage.
Like...imagine a metal projectile (albeit being just some loosely connected metal trash) flying with high velocity directly into a gun barrel, before exploding because it also holds fuel tanks - which are suddenly relevant, as the movie tries to point out. It would deform it at least a little bit.
@@averagenoah Because Poe takes matters into his own hands and does reckless things, which they point out when scolding him for his plan with the bombing fleet. Of all people, he is the most likely to make his own plan, which might interfere with the plan they have, and Holdo knows it. All she had to say was “yes, we have a plan. I can’t tell you what it is because we think there’s a spy. But we definitely have a plan, so don’t go doing anything reckless”. And that would’ve saved countless resistance members.
As for the speeder, the cannon stores energy then fires it. So presumably, the fuel tanks of the ship exploding combined with a high speed metal projectile would be enough to cause said energy to be released as an explosion, destroying the cannon, and maybe other First Order vehicles nearby. Now fair enough, we can’t accurately measure the durability of a fictional cannon, but the energy must’ve been stored somewhere. And if it’s as powerful as it’s portrayed to be, then most of the physical cannon besides the hole bit that fires would’ve been for storing energy rather than armour.
But ultimately, the bottom line is that Finn was going to sacrifice himself for something that might’ve worked while Rose almost killed herself stopping something that might’ve worked.
@@averagenoah Disney femboy, Finn could easily have destroyed it. Well if he couldnt have destroyed it how come Holdo managed to cut Snokes ship in half? Does that make sense?
@@azacct9854 This movie doesn’t make sense.
Rose: “Hey! I saved your life!”
Finn: “You didn’t save my life, you ruined my death!”
Well said xD
To every douchebag adult in my life, "You took away my future!"
Incredibles reference
Roll incredibles credits
Incredibles, that you?
Evan Clarizio A reference from a much better and more original movie.
Biggest plothole: Luke wants to be left alone, yet left a secret map so that he could be found.
I know. Stupid shit to add into the movie.
@@bossshun9 it just highlights how they had no clue what they were doing, plot wise.
Luke didn't leave the map tho. The old dude we see in the opening of TFA created the map, I think. There are comics about it
@@iliasfilip2110 You shouldn’t have to read comics to understand what’s going on in the movie lol
@@gusmarin6031 That's true, I agree
All of Rose's actions make sense if she's an agent for the First Order.
that would be an amazing twist
I hope that’s the truth and she gets shot in the first minute of rise of skywalker
Not really, but it does make more sense if you consider she was saving the cannon and not Finn.
She *is* a mechanic, after all. What do mechanics love more than machines?
@@CthulhuTheory sure she does know there a an army is in front of her right like what the point if ur freakin dead and also pretty sure they would have died in the crash
@@bradley8148 well yeah, she basically t-boned Finn at incredible speeds, so they're lucky nobody broke a neck.
Luke throwing the lightsaber away should have been at least 1,000 sins.
The saving what we love line should have been 1,000, and the kiss should have been 10,000.
Every second of this movie should have been at least 1,000 sins. That would equate to 9,120 sins... still not enough :/
No it was good like not this sentimental shit again
@@Howlingburd19 why does everyone fucking hate this movie?
@@andrewjones9547 because it’s garbage and it destroyed the legacy of Luke
Anyone else disappointed the guy in the casino wasn't Lando? Already established that the dude dresses swag, likes to gamble, and knows all kinds of tricks.
It should have been Lando, let's be honest
But no, let’s have Landon show up for no reason in rise of shitwalker
The point of DJ was to represent a guy who was not with the good guys or the bad guys, showing Finn the negative effect of being neutral during a war. That way Finn officially decides to become a rebel
I mean, how original
I was mad that they wasted beltoro on that nobody role. Would of been better if Snoke had him as a secret sith he was training in order to test Ben. Like he did with maul doku and vader
Snoke was completely useless.
Almost as useless as Finn's side story.
or rose getting the entire resistance killed because "you dont kill what you hate"
or admiral gender studies causing all the internal conflict that could have been defused with a 10 second explanation (not like there was a reason for the plan to be secret)
or how all space battles have been rendered pointless as all hyperdrive ships are now superweapons
@@bushie09 Nah, it's not exactly a good strat to use suicide bomber tactics, particularly not in actual space battles where, you know, there's fighters and shit moving around and not just sitting there.
@@KaitouKaiju you....you cannot be this dumb....
*After reading the Phasma Novel I hate TLJ even more, Finn defeating Phasma makes no sense.*
-Or the side plot with Luke
-Or the side plot with Holdo
-Or the “build-up” of Phasma
-Or BB-8 in general
-Or perhaps the entire movie...
121 - Last Jedi
129 - Empire Strikes Back.
I have no faith in you anymore.
Well Last Jedi is clearly worse, and looong, but it has so much less in it.
400k starwars part 1 my faith in this channel us in tatters
You know this is sarcasm right?
I find the lack of faith in you disturbing
When you have millions of subscribers and Disney pays you off even you would say, fuck me Rian Johnson is a cinematic genius.
"everything wrong with the last Jedi"
**Plays entire movie**
Star Wars The Last Jedi, but everytime it is a good movie, it speeds up.
*plays movie in regular time*
@@SomeRandomGuy789 it should have been in slow mo
@@SomeRandomGuy789 *movie plays in slow mo*
Literally, the entire movie is wrong.
I mean it's better than force awakens
12:19 Add 400 sins due to Yoda not speaking in reverse...
3ZKZ Sting Frank Oz spoke in reverse pretty much for the rest of his dialogue. Don’t know why you’re complaining.
make it 1000000
The Mad Titan nah I agree with sting. Yoda had basically always spoken in reverse unless the sentence was too short to put it in reverse and that sentence he just said had so many words that he should have said it in reverse. Makes no sense for him to not speak in reverse. Also, even if it was only one time that’s irrelevant. One time is all we need.
he took grammar lessons
Yoda rarely spoke in reverse in the original trilogy
We all know this movie deserves more sins.
But Cinemasins ran out of fuel
The biggest and greatest sin of all is how poorly written these movies actually were. Seriously!!! There is an entire f***king Star Wars universe built on by fans since the creation of Star Wars!!!! Whose potential is by far infinitely greater than the plots of these f***ing sequels. Which by the way are so lazily written that they not only repeated the plot of the first movie in the first sequel movie but also threw a whole bunch of plot armor and a whole lot of other bullsh*t that they dare call f***ing a plot and labeled it the second Star Wars sequel movie!!!!!!!!!! It’s a F***ING DISGRACE and should have never been created!!!!
RedRabbitRum iK as i star wars fan i hate these star wars Disney films, at least we have rouge one
captain drama
Thank you. It's maddening that people are upset about the fuel. Of course these ships use fuel they're f*cking space ships. Did people just think they worked by magic? There are problems with this movie but the fuel is not it.
RedRabbitRum I get that this trilogy ignored some source material, but not every piece of content in and about Star Wars has to be entirely based on ONLY the first three movies. Not everything about the Force has to be a Force-push and a mind trick, and not everything about hyper-fast space travel has to be just straight from point A to point B. I think they actually introduced some neat new stuff with the Force and with hyperspace, with the dyad and the lightspeed-skipping and the telekinetic freezing-in-place and the mental-absorption-via-telepathy AND THE F*CKING LIGHTSPEED KAMIKAZE. If anything, three movies is enough source material to go on for the story, but just isn’t for the content, and I feel that’s one of the only things they did right. But then again, I’m one of the asshole kids who grew up as this trilogy did, so what do I know when compared to “real fans”?
@@tomduckworth6430 The big point wasn't the fuel itself. The point was that fuel was NEVER a problem in ANY of the Star Wars movies. Basically Cinemasins is pointing out how it's some new BS being used to carry the plot when it could've just been avoided in general.
Those lasers that the Empire is firing at 4:13 have more arc than Rose's character.
In space.....
Those are probably scale up version of proton torpedos with homing capability.
@@bigorange2082 Plus they're just concentrated portions of heat and light, meaning they have no mass, meaning if there was gravity it still wouldn't pull them down.
@@impg8801 Einstein would like to have a word with you
@@impg8801 gravity bends space-time, light changes course due to gravity, hence black holes don't emit any
That bit of Leia ordering Poe to disengage, and Holdo blaming Poe for the mission, is made all the more infuriating when it was revealed that Holdo was the one who brought the bombers. And they were brought SOLELY for the purpose of attacking the Dreadnaught.
Kylo Ren: I'll try spinning, that's a good trick
It runs in the family!!!
Kylo ren: NOW THIS IS POD RACING
Hilarious.
I would never say that! I say quotes of Darth Vader, not Anakin Skywalker.
hehehe
The Force Awakens
The Last Jedi
From His Nap
Echoingdolphin I feel like I have heard this before. 🤔
@@liamgriffin218 I mean I never claimed that I made it up lol
Lets make this the official title of Episode IX.
Lol
Echoingdolphin but you’ll gladly accept the likes :)
Basicaly this entire movie was just a chase scene.
Yes
Mad max in space
MyUsersDark The empire strikes back for poor
MyUsersDark #MadMaxFuryRoad ammi right?
As a concept that could have worked and been very interesting, honestly, it just... wasn't.
Holdo's hyperspace maneuver should count. It completely breaks prior established rules about hyperspace travel. Hyperspace travel is not going really fast, it's jumping into another dimension, so her ship shouldn't have been able to crash into the First Order's ships. Otherwise at the ending of Rogue One where the rebels are escaping into hyperspace and then Vader's ship appears right in front of them should have resulted in multiple collisions.
I am sure he knows that, he did mention it doesn't make any sense. He only removed sins because of the visuals
I mean if the “Holdo Maneuver” was real then why did the empire spend trillions on a planet destroyer instead of sending a star destroyer into a planet instead. It’s an obvious, “this movie is such shit, we need a semi cool shot to make it look better.”
@@gingeridous859 exactly. This is clearly the most effective space weapon ever conceived in Star Wars, other than plot armour, and would make nearly every other weapons system obsolete. Have a planet you need to take out? Lightspeed ram. Capital ship approaching? Lightspeed kamikaze some x-wings at it. They don't even need to be piloted, or expensive. Attach a hyperdrive onto a tungsten rod = lightspeed rail gun. Maybe too expensive to be ubiquitous, but certainly would become a centrepiece of galactic strategy.
Attack from distance of light-hours or light- minutes from the target, then hyperdrive yourself to another location and do it again. Could bring a system down with a dozen ships in a week or two.
@@EarlofSedgewick But even below lightspeed such a weapon would make a lot of sense. A tungsten rod at 99% lightspeed would also basically obliterate a planet.
Also since the first trilogy (I think it was ROTJ) showed that star destroyers have a hard time turning around/swerving aside, even a 50% lightspeed tungsten rod would be able to hit them and turn them to dust.
Also also the Super Star Destroyer colliding with Death Star 2 must've had a very low relative speed or it wouldn't have been turned to dust but outright destroyed the latter.
@@magicmulder this is all true. If anyone thought about this universe from a hard science fiction lens, there are some obviously massive problems. For instance, near- lightspeed accelerators would an obvious weapon to at least contemplate, given distances. But there are lots of reasons why this might quickly been blunted, which could be a bit bullshitted, just to make it a bit more cohesive, and not a ungrounded fantasy adventure world where people don't make decisions based on the rules of their universe, but rather the rules of whatever production team wants as a set-piece, visual, plot device, etc
"Or does she only have enough fuel for one space resurrection"
That was comedy gold.
😂
The shade thrown is as cold as space
"Wait, you can teleport matter through the Force now?!"
You are NOT going to like Episode 9...
Ella Hoyt He is going to HATE it!!!
Ella Hoyt You know the dyad in the Force isn’t original, right? Revan and Bastila had one in the Old Republic era.
Qui-Gon teleported matter through the force in 'Phantom Menace' so there is precedent for that. Not good precedent as it was 'Phantom Menage' but precedent.
@@insulam821 He used the force to teleport the sample of Anakin's blood to Obi-Wan for analysis. It's not overplayed but if you watch he tells Obi-Wan on the radio he's sending it then Obi-Wan opens his hand and has it.
@@Djarra No Qui-Gon did not teleport matter through the force, he sent a signal through the transponder he had. Are you actually addled? A transmission through technology is not the same thing as teleporting matter through the force, which frankly has always been impossible in Star Wars till now. Even now it doesn't make sense, Luke was merely a projection, nothing could have been physical, yet somehow it was. The movie contradicts itself and Kylo/Ben breaks it further in episode 9
I'm surprised there's no bonus round for everytime they utter the words hope or fuel
There would be over 1000
Or snuff
He needed an outtake from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom where they were on the plane and indie kept saying, fuel, fuel, fuel???
Gotta admit that would be a new record
"Let the hope fuel through you!"
Honestly I expected him to say “all of it” and then play memes for the rest of the time
"May the Fuel be with you"
May the Fewl be with you. ...but seriously Fuel is a great band. Give "Innocent" listen to sometime
Doesn't the First Order have fuel concerns too? They've been pursuing the Resistence "fleet" and wouldn't they be running on fumes too?
@@Paulafan5 "I felt a great disturbance in the plot"
Use some liquid Schwartz to avoid fuel problems. "May the Schwartz be with you"
To those of you who were wondering why Cinemasins didn't add more sins, they _were_ going to. They had a whole fleet of bonus rounds ready to go and tackle this abomination of a film.
But they ran out of fuel.
I personally liked the movie
@@MartianFruit same here. I only see hate for this movie online. Everyone I know that has seen this film either likes it or doesn't mind it. Haven't met anyone face to face that hates the movie as much as anyone online does.
It was a pretty good movie. Alright plot (a few plot holes but meh), amazing cinematography, on-point action, good character, and amazing design on everything (bar costumes and horses)
@@michaelsinclair1343 its a very loud minority. The internet is a breeding ground for them.
Kevin Strom That’s very funny, keep telling yourself that
Man that lightspeed kamikaze could of been useful against the death star
Or the second death star....
Or literally every villain's base/weapon
possibly a droid could have been used to pilot the ship too, I don't know, i'm not a writer for Disney.
Or any planet ever
There were other means of destruction and it was great surprise and masterfully shot scene especially with no sound. People can yell "Ruin Johnson" all they want but he has the ability to direct well. I think he just needs better material. This was leaps and bounds better than Batman v. Superman. Also a director can only do so much with a shitty script. His task isn't to rewrite.
Now, I have a theory about this one. In Star Wars (assuming any part of Legends is still applicable) ships in hyperspace can't collide with things in the real world, because they don't exist in Hyperspace. So if an X-wing goes to hyperspace, it can't collide with and destroy an X-wing in the real world, or a corvette or whatever.
The exception is REALLY big stuff. Planets. Stars. Etc. These things are huge enough that they generate "mass shadows" which pull things out of Hyperspace so they crash into them at crazy speeds, and die horribly. I don't think a ship travelling at Hyperspace speed can destroy a planet (or the empire would have just used that), and similar logic applies to the death star (I think): incredibly thick, an insane amount of armour, and probably a crazy ton of redundant components and systems. The only vulnerable bit was the core, which any hyperspace-ramming ship probably got vaporised long before it gets to.
The Supremacy sits in the nasty sweet spot: it's big enough to generate a mass shadow, BUT small enough (compared to the death star) that a hyperspace ram causes it serious damage. Add in the fact it's not a sphere with all the important stuff at the centre, but a sort of wedge shape that a shape could feasibly cut through, and it's the perfect target for a hyperspace ram. perhaps the only one.
But that's a personal theory.
The title is almost correct. *_Everything IS wrong with Star Wars: The Last Jedi_*
The last Jedi was Luke. It should've ended there.
Bro stfu. I'm irritated seeing comments like this😒
@Keith1974 change your diaper? Thats the best you got?😂
@@linkyboi5961 well then you should stay out of the comment section because the Star Wars fanbase (I love Star Wars but it’s true) is known for being very very very toxic
@@Howlingburd19 I hate how toxic it is
21:11 killed me! "Rose! Why'd you do that? So stupid!" - Jack
And that line she gave, in the middle of a full on war, unironically, was so enraging to me; Not just as a former Star Wars fan, but as a person with some basic, barebones knowledge on how to wage a war.
+CinemaSins *YA DIDN'T "OUTTAKE" LEIA FLYING THROUGH SPACE WITH A YONDU, "I'M MARY POPPINS Y'ALL!!"...VOICEOVER??!!!!!!!!* *........AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH(inhale)AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!*
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That was perfect
@@b3rz3rk3r9 right? Like “yeah let’s just try to save each other as they gun us down like animals. Because that will help us survive! Why bother trying to fight back?” Honestly she should’ve pushed Finn and out to sacrifice herself. That way she would’ve been more useful.
@@LegendHxz EXACTLY! This also enraged me as a hopeful future writer, because a character with ultimately no arc or interest to grip the viewer shattered a fitting end to Finn's arc as a Imperial turncoat; a stormtrooper who decided to serve the resistance of his own will to where he'd die for their cause. It'd be one of many fitting ends for Finn's arc.
the biggest sin in this movie is the sheer disrespect for Luke. As much as I loved seeing Yoda again, Luke should have BEEN the Yoda of this movie. Wise beyond belief, instead he ends up getting lectured by Yoda again like he was still a teenager. And wtf you're telling me the same Luke Skywalker that spent all of RoJ risking his life to save Darth Vader the most evil man in the universe because he thought he could turn him would even for a second of weakness contemplate killing his beloved nephew who hadn't even done anything? And that was the catalyst for Ben turning? Fuck you Disney, give me literally George Lucas back.
The stuff about him looking like a hobo drinking from weird alien boobs is just a perfect visual representation to what they've done to my favorite starwars character. I don't even want to see how this crap finishes at this point. And I sat through all three of the Lucas prequels.
I found it hilariously stupid when he was trying to kill Kylo, and unfortunately that was the point where the movie was trying to be serious.
I'm sorry but you might not want George Lucas anyway. Unless you like your Whills, then you do you even though this random person on the net would hate you for it. I'd rather have had more stuff like Rogue One even though it apparently adds nothing according to others.
"I can't kill my father I sense there is still good in him", wait this little shit have a nightmare, well I guess is off with his head
@@Bucky147 I'm not calling the prequels good. I've seen the red letter media reviews and agree with them. I'm saying that compared to this movie I'd rather have those shitty prequels. At least they were fun to explore in the extended universe. I'm never going to want to go to casino planet.
yep, thats pretty much exactly how i feel.
I completely agree with him on that decision with the cannon, she’s not important enough of a character to be ruining heroic sacrifices to save lives, just because she doesn’t want her stupidly low chance love interest dying.
Funny thing is Finn totally went for Jannah in the next film so their "relationship" didn't even last long.
@@jordanwilliams676 Changing writers will do that
Yeah that was the worst scene in star wars
So wait..
He literally says "Murder the shit out of everyone"
And then someone immediately goes "Hey one of those people you just told us to kill is at our front door and wants to talk, so...what do we do?"
There are a few movies where the good guy being so openly brazen and ballsy to start casually bantering and insulting the bad guy actually stuns them into not immediately killing the good guy actually works and looks cool. Say Guardians of the Galaxy. But it has become overdone and now it seems like the bad guy is obligated to actually listen to a cocky little try hard insulting him with no back up or means of being a threat. I find it hard to believe that Hux, who knows he is liable to being horribly force tortured if he acts stupidly, would do anything other than shut off communications and kill Poe
@@barrylyndon5552 Of course, how else do you think the Doctor has been able to survive for 14 incarnations without being vaporized by the Daleks?
@@DavidNicholson101 difference is the doctor is an immortal genius that can end a race with just his brains so not listening to what he is saying is actually dangerous
Tentons O'fun But think of all the times the Doctor could have been killed because they had him surrounded. The Pandorica Opens is a prime example.
Infinite sins for killing off one of the most iconic characters of Star Wars in the first 10 minutes of the movie, offscreen, with a little explosion, and barely any buildup!!
RIP Admiral Ackbar... your death in legends was so much better.
@@BGOutOfService I don't know if you've had the decency to pick up a book every so often, but Admiral Ackbar was a greatly developed character in the Star Wars books, and while they're no longer canon, they're much better than Ackbar's death in this movie or whatever role he played in whatever fanfictions you might be spending your time reading
@@BGOutOfService Ok, I can agree with that. There was some weird stuff that I haven't actually looked at in the EU, but some of the other story arcs are really good, and they build on the previously established characters well
Have you watched the clone wars?
Also, r/wooosh
@@BGOutOfService Ackbar plays a big part in the Clone Wars
@@BGOutOfService bruh what's wrong with liking ackbar just stop pls he is not just a meme
Biggest Sin was Leia immediately hugging Ray after Hans Death and ignoring Chewy, the guys best friend, WTF?
That was force awakens lol
@@hurricanesun77 sorry, last 3 ran together for me
@@jstnsmutek yeah all good all three were horrible anyways the force awakens was ok but Hans death to his own son that hardly had any build up at all
@@hurricanesun77 well I think it was something added in because Harrison Ford wanted Han Solo dead
How did Finn drag roses unconscious body all the back to that resistance base without being killed?
That’s the real question here that and with the power of moving matter through the force and yet Luke died being a hologram like wtf
Furthermore, how were both Finn and Rose able to get so close to the First Order army without even being shot at once?
the first order realised their opposition would be weaker with those two assholes in it
@@nikoniortnike Here´s the Answer: Plot Armor
It takes them FOREVER to get out, takes them about 5 minutes to “walk” back?
No one:
Absolutely no one ever:
Rian Johnson: Fuel
Well in his defence: before the battle of Yavin we see the Rebel Fighters attached to some hoses. So they need some kind of refilling/recharging. But until now there was apparently a unlimited supply to both sides of every conflict. But yes it is ludicrous to make it THE plot point for this movie. And even if... this movie is just too bad on too many levels.
I wouldn't have even minded the idea if RJ had any idea how physics worked. You can explain away the movements with their engines and propulsion systems, but space ships don't just stop in space because they run out of fuel.
These comments need to die already
@@xboxonevideos7685 Oh I´m sorry did I hurt your feeling, you little porg?
star wars rebels and clone wars talked about that and came out long before... pay attention to the star wars galaxy
You missed the one where Finn drags Rose the entire length of the battlefield and back through the front door... in front of the whole First Order attack force... in less time then it took for them to drive out there in the first place 🤦🏼♂️
JoySpring1965 well Kylo ordered every AT-AT and ship to fire on Luke then went to go fight Luke giving Finn plenty of time to get Rose to safety
@@pyr1412 I don't think you understand how far out they were. They were (or at least should have been) heavily injured by the crash as well. Never mind the hours it should have taken to get back, they shouldn't even have been able to move to begin with.
There’s things in every movie ever that don’t make sense but you know you just shouldn’t question. This is definitely one of them
He also forgot to mention that Luke used Anakins lightsaber right after Kylo watched it break in half.
How did they even get these tiny ships out of the base when its so clearly been closed and apparently the only way in and out? They sure wouldnt have opened the big fucking door to let them out and create an opportunity for the First Order to get inside?
What about how one of Snoke’s guards forgets that he has a second weapon so much that it actually disappears!
50:sins
Or the one that just casually throws away his weapon and walks in kylos light saber
@@cobo7548 Or the one that has a perfect opening to kill Rey dead, but hesitates for no reason other than "the script says her and Kylo are supposed to win this scrap".
Kylo and 2 of them punched the floor
The throne room fight scene was awful. I'm going to go watch The Duel of the Fates...
For real, he took sins off for the worst choreographed fight in Star Wars while sinning Anakin vs Obi Wan for being “boring”, and took a bunch of sins off the Holdo Maneuver scene without questioning why nobody has done it before or since.
Extra sin for the bomber scene: When Paige is dropping the bombs, the bomb bay doors are clearly open, and Paige cannot breathe and should be sucked into the vacuum of space.
Rian Johnson doesnt understand how space works.
It's the shields of the ship, look at rogue one when vader is outside
@@Belenlamen But those shields are always red and blue in the movies and cartoons
@@Belenlamen So the shields keep Paige from getting sucked out, but they don't do the same for the bombs?
@@zestywalrus5434 the bombs didnt get sucked out. They were propelled by tracks out of the ship...to you know....bomb things in space
_Star Wars be like: “space” noises_
pew pew pew *chewbacca noise* I am your father...sounds about right?
Space "noises"
*fuel noises*
That actually describes it really well. Like, on multiple levels.
ahahah yes, and most important: don't forget the laser shots curving because ... reasons, I guess (4:30)
I hated how rose “saved” Finn.He should have sacrificed himself that would have been good for his character but she risked her life and Finns by crashing into each other
And considering the tiny role Finn played in the next film, killing him off would not have significantly changed the trilogy. Everything he did could have been done by someone else.
That would have made it so much better if she tried and failed by killing them both and not stopped the cannon thing.
Right? Finn was trying to save the others and she crashed into him. She could have no way of knowing whether she was saving him or murdering him. What she did was not only selfish, but incredibly foolish.
I think what was probably scripted on the page, but was not conveyed well, was that Finn's maneuver was not going to be successful. "It's too late" meaning that the cannon was going to tear his ship apart before he reached it so his death would have been pointless. I think that was going to be the essence of the scene, but they let Finn's ship get too close to the cannon.
Nah, I liked that, actually. It took that Independence Day "ram the doomsday device" and then subverted our expectations. In fact, all the subversion and plot twists was what saved this film, if you ask me. But to each their own :) .
"This movie knows where it wants all its characters to be at certain times but gives ZERO s*its about how and why they get there."
On point
basically how a kid imagines things lol
Between the lightsaber throw, the praetorian guard battle, and the hyperspace fleet killing, this should have 1 million sins
One of the few movies where I've been like, "Yeah, this deserves a Cinemasins"
7:02 You missed a “Where is Camera” moment for the hologram
Same place as the music
Rewatching the movie, I noticed one sin CinemaSins and I had missed until tonight. Understandably, we all direct our undivided attention to the idiocy of Rose when she stops Finn's suicide run and says that dumb line about saving the things you love. But how do the two of them travel from the enemy's feet a mile or so back to the base in plain sight, in broad daylight, and across terrain that turns red when disturbed? I miss George Lucas.
You would be great at Cinemasins. If Cinemasins ever hired an intern, you would suit the role perfectly.
Imagine missing George Lucas when George Lucas made the prequel trilogy
I think the movie is good, but this scene doesn't make any sense, why the ATATs didn't shot them and Finn was trying to save who he love too, so why the Rose stoped him with the same argue???
Also where did they get the shuttle from the whole hanger was destroyed and falling apart. Long story short worst star wars movie I have ever seen.
@@blueraptorgaming3460 should've added another also in front of that also lol
Rose: I am officially the worst Star Wars character
Admiral Holdo: Holdo my Almondmilk Frappuccino
I hate Holdo more than rose, rose at least had the potential to be better
Rey: I'm Reysing the bar on crappy characters.
If Luke didn’t show up at the end, than Rose stopping Finn would have led too the first order killing everyone
Shh we're not supposed to talk about it
Eh, I mean, Finn crashing into it probably wouldn't have done anything anyway. And even if it would have, he probably wouldn't have made it in time.
@@magicalpj well finn was a stormtrooper and perhaps (just speculation) knew that doing that would maybe do something
So it's a Jedi Ex Machina.
@@magicalpj it would, simple example imagine a round stock in the barrle of the gun and explodes inside setting of the other bullets the gun would be f****. If Fin went straight into that thing it would explode on itself.
wait, they're in space right? you know, a frictionless vacuum? so if fuel's such a concern, why not just turn off the engines and just keep going that way?
From very beginning SW has never been big on physics unlike something like Babylon 5. It's Science Fantasy so getting science right has never been priority.
@@johannesmakila2459 even so, they do seem to be treating space in this universe like it's real life space.
Well, if physics work they way they do in our universe (which, well, they don't, clearly), then while the engines are on, all the ships should be constantly accelerating with exponential degradation equal to the amount of thrust provided. So, of the rebel fleet cut the engines, yes, they'd still be moving at a constant speed, but the First Order would fairly quickly overtake them
@@TotalInsanity4 Does the First Order not have fuel concerns of their own? Why are their ships so much more fuel efficient?
@@Paulafan5 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly don't know what to tell you. The rebel ships are smaller, so maybe they just have much smaller tanks comparatively than the star destroyers. I agree the fuel plot bit felt really clunky (as well as the casino planet, god that bit was awful), I was just pointing out why shutting the engines down wouldn't be a solution
U.S aircraft carriers in my time have fuel that lasts 40 years but these highly advanced intergalactic cruisers run out of fuel mid battle. Lol
Actually they were running low on fuel before the battlewhen the resistance sent out a distress signal admiral ackbar only sent half fuel ships because that's all he had
@@silverspartangaming6963 still... why do they run on this fuel that only lasts a short amount of time. Even on half fuel something that advanced should last longer.
@@TheHandleOnTH-cam you've got to think they were running full speed also a few it's meant to last at least a week they would have run out a long time and it in Saipan out the full tanks and their base
@@silverspartangaming6963 or it was lazy writing
The entire thing is god damn ridiculous. Fuel is just a form of stored energy, these ships are supposed to have gigantic reactors like miniature suns. They arent meant to need any kind of external fuel, before this they pulled shit from hyperspace. Even if they didnt the idea that they run on gas like a car and they were down to like a quarter tank is sheer writer > logic and established canon.
18:06 The sad part is that I would have forgiven the movie for all of its sins if that had actually been Luke being badass instead of projecting it
A real lightsaber fight would have been nice
Also: How did the Force can project a Jedi to another planet and make you at will materialize and de-materialize? I think, Ryan Johnson is like Alex Kurtzman in Star Trek. He's ignoring every canonic world-building so that he can shove his plot down our throats and we have to like it! -.-
That or LITERALLY, this is a force move that ultimately results in him dying...why couldn't his force projection also be able to interact with solid objects like lightsaber but then Kylo gets teh upper hand, gets a stab in, finds out it's a force projection and then Luke dies. Same result, except more badass and truer to the legend and badassery of Luke Skywalker.
Im pretty sure that projection was bada**
Who else can’t wait for everything wrong with rise of skywalker
The sin count will be 0
Hopefully.
It was a flawed film, but I really did enjoy watching it.
Yeah no sins for tRoS.
Alex Cooper are you sure about that
I was only kidding. Of course somebody will find something wrong with tRoS.
Jar Jar Binks: Meesa da Worst character!
Rose: *_Hold My Beer_*
What about Admiral Gender Studies?
@@Nahasapasa who?
I think her name was Holdo
Nah but this is actually so accurate
Oooh so you're the famous bad seeds of the Star Wars fandom
The first sin to this movie actually comes when director Rian Johnson first said, "action!"
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The fact you took a sin off and explained how perfectly filmed the fight against the knights of Snoke were, you have no idea how truly bad that fight was choreographed and filmed. Despite minimal cuts, there was no use of any sort of force or timing, there is many points where you see a knight pause to attack, and there is no flow or force like feel to either Rey or Kilo. Truly an awful fight, that you don’t understand. I love these CinemaSins, but that truly was a miss
Someone here saw Shadiversity's video x)
HAHAHAH LMAO, get fucked loser. You also have no idea how a fight scene is filmed because you're a fat virgin living in your mom's basement
Robot Head made a good video about that as well
That kid who legit used the force to pick up his broom at the end of this movie isnt even SEEN in the next one.
Edit: now im wondering if he knows he can use the force. Or if that was the first time that happened. "Oh, my broom just sorta floated into my hands. Ok, no questions. This is a universe were people can go from being in a place with little to no oxygen to being surounded by oxygen in seconds and not be affected."
Get in the way of ray being the only special one lol
@@j.j.r98 wamens
@@j.j.r98 It's cuz they decided it was best to just sweep the last Jedi under the couch.
they’ll just use that to start off another series on Disney+, like what they’re doing for Loki after he took off with the tesseract
They were trying to be symbolic. Anyone can be a special/a jedi
Im sinning you...
"A well choreographed fight"
Look at any video where they nit pick that red person fight room thing
I really don't care about that - it was an entertaining fight scene. In the cinema I didn't notice any of the red guys not actually doing anything, etc. I probably wouldn't have noticed on multiple rewatches if I hadn't had TH-cam to point these things out. Why would I? You only notice these things if you're actively looking for things not to like, which I think is a little sad. Don't get me wrong, The Last Jedi is a mess, but this was not a factor.
@@semanticsamuel936 You're not entire wrong, but not entirely right. In the case of movies like ROtJ, You'd only notice the Luke doesn't really that one guy on the barge if you were actually looking for something. The the case of this movie, however, it's pretty much presented to be picked apart, and as Dennis Shih
said, the way it's filmed only makes it easier to spot.
It sucked.
Kylo acted like he was in slow motion for it, and to me, he looked like shit. He was basically tripping over himself, while doing dance moves, then he held his sabre forward for no reason while dancing.
Literally any fight from Prequels, TV Shows, and the Originals is better than that fight
A dagger fucking dissapeared because Rey couldn't dodge it
"Fuel" has done so much more irreparable damage to modern Star Wars movies than "Midiclorians" did to the Prequel Trilogy. What nonsense!
Midichlorians don't ruin Star Wars. They're just cells. There's no changing the original trilogy with midichlorians. Midichlorians are just a scientific way to understand Force potential.
Not to defend the movie, but the prequels did start the "fuel" idea. Obi-Wan asked for fuel on Utapau in ROTS.
@@LeeEverett1 Yeah but they never made the fuel actually matter.
@@LeeEverett1 He technically asked for fuel, but he did it as a cover up for infiltrating Utapau, so in a way you could argue that he didn't need the fuel. Also iirc he arrived in a short-range fighter ship, instead of a proper long-range transporter. Sure, transporters would probably need fuel as well (just think about it logically), but short-range fighters don't do hyperspace. At least not on their own, as presented in the Prequels and OT.
"Machines need fuel" is understandable for impulse engines, but I don't recall there being anything about needing fuel to use hyperspace jumps before.
Me when the entire movie isn't here
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Lost a planet Obi won has ;)
2:43 Referring to the Porgs as “discount Ewoks” is offensive, considering the Ewoks were useful, cuddly, and easy to get along with. The term you’re looking for is “Discount Gungans”
Robert Weniger no discount children marketing to get more money from babies ranging from 2-49 years of age
Are u saying the gungans werent useful?
The gungans helped the republic a couple times in battle man they were useful
@@GeneralGlitter55 The Gungans were the only people in Star Wars capable of capturing general grievous lol
Gungans were cool, Jarjar is not
Rose's entire character is wrong with this movie
Yeah, fuck that lady!
Honestly, the "We have a spy aboard" alternate subplot (rather than "I have a plan, I'm just not telling you!" BS) would have made her character intriguing, especially with that layer of "Is she a traitor, or genuinely being helpful here?" mentality. It'd color every action she had while on the mission with Finn with that flavor, and even her gamble of knocking him away from his suicide dive would be tinged with "Was that her saving Finn, or saving the First Order's cannon?"
Seriously, she would have made a *perfect* potential mole without ever actually confirming if she was one or not! Hell, they wouldn't even have to rewrite a single bit of what she said - every action and every word would be tinged with that suspicion, and that suspicion would have made her more engaging by proxy.
I should also add that I honestly wasn't bothered by her character - but I agree that the subplot with her and Finn was largely pointless, but that was kind of the point, in this case. That the heroes wouldn't necessarily make the right call all the time.
Rose switches personalities three or four times in her first five minutes on screen.
@@TheFrugalVideoGamer I understand that people undertake pointless actions, but I tend to view that kind of like sleeping, going to the bathroom or buying socks, things that do happen in real life but are so boring you don't include them in your films. That incredibly long and pointless cul de sac on Space Vegas, while definitely intended to subordinate plot to message, ground an already sluggish movie to a grinding halt. And I have heard the argument it motivates Finn etc, but there had to be a less soporific way to do it.
her and Holdo are annoying as fuck, but mostly Rose
A well choreographed fight? Corridor Crew would like to have a word.
So would Shad.
It was a horrible choreography. Kylo slammed his saber into the ground every 10 seconds but didn’t get his head cut off? They still attacked that saber ON THE GROUND instead of his defenseless body. Two dudes were waiting to join in. One casually lost his dagger when he had the chance to kill Rey with it,....
@@originaler31er67 They were going for his legs and he struck the ground blocking them. Also Rey's vanishing blade isn't the first continuity error in star wars just look at vanishing Obi wan lol
@@techno639 thats hardly an excuse. The red soldiers had to intentionally miss and add time wasting flair to not throw off the fight. It was not even background errors
@@theworkshop7505 I'll admit, it looks better when sped up a bit more, one of my only gripes with the scene
Cinemasins calls the Last Jedi fight scene well choreographed,
Shadiversity: Im about to end this man's whole career
Dude, yes! I was like, tf 😂😂😂
Yeah I noticed that too. It's literally one of the worst fight scenes I've ever seen
Robot head dissected the scene.
The first time I saw that I remember thinking afterwards that something really stupid just happened But I wasn’t sure what, I had two watch it Again before I realized just how stupid it really was
So is Robot Head
I’m surprised that the first sin wasn’t “this movie existing”
Mr. T-1000 because they liked the movie overall even though they find it flawed. And they have the right to think that.
T-1000 doesn't even look like that...
If this wasn’t a very serious joke with a insane truth there for just laugh
This movie is flawed, but It's not terrible! For christs sake people hate it just because it's a big change and they're so far up their old star wars asses that they can't accept it! GOD!
@@LunaKey nah man the movie is fucking abysmal. This whole new trilogy is just a cash grab for disney honestly. They completely ruined Luke's whole character and what he stands for, Rey has no character development whatsoever, and kylo ren is a whiney emo dude. Not to mention how god awful the lightsaber duels are.
+100 sins for breaking the concept of hyperspace for the rest of all time, while simultaneously making me question why they didn’t ram small ships at hyperspeed during the beginning of every space battle.
Everyone says that. "If ramming ships into other ships at light speed is so effective why don't they do it all the time?" For the same reason I don't wipe my ass with hundred dollar bills, they can't AFFORD TO WASTE RESOURCES LIKE THAT. They're supposed to be like and/or the new rebel alliance, a very poor, and very small group fighting against and oppressive and evil enemy.
@@joshuacase5639 why doesnt the empire use it then, or anyone in the prequels when the military's had more funds.
@@joshuacase5639 The rebels lost hundreds or maybe thousands of x wings and y wings battleing each death star. With this tactic they would have used 1.
@@MrCrytown those are snub fighters, a bit more expandable than capital ship.
@@juandrefourie8572 Yes they had more money, but why would they waste star destroyers Willy nilly like that? It's a way better idea to keep all of your pieces and use them strategically to defeat the enemy. And I'm sure the imperial admirals thought the same. And as the movie explained, it's an act of desperation, and the resistance is apparently always desperate, so they do reckless, risky, and sacrificial stuff.
This movie gets worse after seeing Rise of Skywalker...
cheshire chill no it doesn’t
Oh I mean consistency wise. Rose and that Codebreaker dude totally get forgotten (showing how they were never intended to be in Abram’s original script). So many plot holes and side plots just highlighted. But that’s just my opinion.
It can’t get worse, between this and Rise of Palpatine, it is such a sad disappointment. Disney ruined such a great chance to make something great.
I loved the new movie, but my liking for this movie has fallen quite a bit. I think J.J. Abrams and Rian has very different thoughts on where this should go, so they just contradict each other. But I like J.J. Abrams better.
Rise of Skywalker was good and showed me how shitty and underwhelming Last Jedi was. wasted potential. JJ should have done 8 as well.
All the exposition really ground my gears. "Oh finally, the camera is on us, I can finally give this order or share this information I would've normally given my crew in an actual briefing half an hour ago!"
this is obviously fake the sin counter didn't break
Disney must be paying him to keep the sin counter low. When I first saw it, I figured there'd be no voice at all, just the sin counter pinging away for 20 minutes.
This also wasn't as bad as that Dragonball Z movie critique they did. That video was like 40min long right?
@@michaeloftaoism we do not speak of that movie.
@@dudescrawny5859 my apologies lmao
Yeah, the sin counter should've racked up at a dizzying pace, started to spark and smoke, and then just gone plaid.
TBH in Revenge of the Sith Obi-Wan said to the people on Utapau that he needed a refuel for his ship. So technically this isn't the first time fuel has been mentioned.
I'm more surprised you spent your free time re watching all the Star wars episodes looking for any moment where fuel is mentioned once. Unless you just googled it and are just repeating what someone else said, who wasted their free time lol.
@@TylerGTA Seriously, you didn't know that Star Wars fan do that? Even low level fans can repeat virtually every word of A New Hope just seeing a soundless playback.
@@gentblue I memorized all of episode 3 as it is the best movie and the most meme-able 😂
Plus Anakin told the pilot to "aim right above those fuel cells" so that makes one fuel reference in each prequel movie.
@Nathan Cox It was because the engine, right? That's the story between the blue flying Jew and Liam Neeson, if I remember correctly.
Lightspeed ram-hit looked cool. Ruined the plots of 7 other movies.
The choreography of the throne room scene was done by grown up Star Wars kid.
Lee Lewis that choreography was trash.
Bob's Hollyword It was great
How did it ruin any plots?
Have you seen LCC lightsaber duels, or fan duels in general? Grown up Star Wars kids understand choreography better than the morons that made that mashup of wild flailing.
@@AmusedWalrus They literally had to edit out weapons in order to make it work. And also make a guard completely whiff his swing by retracting it.
The fight scene at the end had a couple of sins, some guy just falls over without being touched, and Rey should have died at one point but somehow just doesn’t after dropping her lightsaber and catching it again while a guy pressed a blade up to her throat
When a Star Wars movie steals it’s main plot point from Space Balls.... #liquidswartz #spacefuel
Fuck I love that movie. A spoof done right. #thesearchformoremoney
SPACEBALLS THE FLAMETHROWER
“the kids love it”
#lightspeed #ridiculousspeed #ludicrousspeed #plaid
I can’t watch a movie now without hearing your voice and giving movies sins as I go.
same
5:58
Rose be like:
"Mom said its my turn to play on the xbox!"
Dan c 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This comment made my night'
When you praise the throne room scene.
Me: so you have chosen death.
Lol no.
@@beckettmaffei the throne room scene sucks. go look up why, there are quite a few articles and videos explaining why
@@thahoule7924 Oh yes, because of one continuity issue with a sword and a slight choreography error. Therefore, it SUCKS! You know how many of those things I can find in The Empire Strikes Back?
@@beckettmaffei yeah, two thingd to considerd here 1) NOWHERE in empire does a weapon judt disappear from the hands of an enemy mid-fight bc the hero would be dead if it didnt.
2)empire is decades old, tlj is a young movie which should be hold to todays standarts. And that just shouldnt happen these days
@@thahoule7924 No. You can't excuse Empire for that. If there's a mistake, there's a mistake. And also- these TWO things in the Throne Room Scene are things that people had to slow down and look for. If you don't see them without looking for mistakes, they shouldn't count.
Jar jar binks: meesa worst star wars character eva!
Rose and holdo: hold our beers
Holdo was just incompetent and thinks she knows better than everyone (reminds me of the part of society she represents). Rose is a new level of annoying and has a stupidity that even Jar Jar couldn't match--at least _he_ managed to save people sometimes.
@@Thomas-fz9xw yeah the only thing good about Holdo is that she kill herself so i don't need to deal with her anymore
*Jar Jar is an ok character, he would've been better if Lucas went with the idea that he's actually a Sith*
I don't agree with that. I like TLJ far more than TPM.
@Spideog of Highgate racist, but true.
Only 21 minutes long!??!! this must be part one
Mike Sanders it wasn’t that bad. Definitely overrated by the critics.
@@Zillasucks I respect your opinion but in my view it was one of the worst films of the decade. But, to each his own
Mike Sanders to call it worst film of the decade is a stretch especially when fantastic four exists lol
damien claxton no offense but that’s dumb. All its flaw don’t need multiple 2 hour vids
@damien claxton Im a subscriber of his :D Great content!
One sin for General Ackbar being killed without even a mention!
IT'S. A. TRAAAP!!!
And the Ackbar Actor who is over the age of 60 *cried on set* because he was so hurt that *THAT'S* how his character ends. Since he knew Ackbar since 1983.
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He cried right after Rian Johnson asked him to do this joke:
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13:03 “How the hell are they having this radio conversation WHILE IN LIGHT SPEED?!?!” Because Star Wars Logic makes no sense
Kathleen Kennedy.... 'nuf said
It use to make sense from the other original six movies. These others are slowly killing it to where nothing won't matter.
Bc it isnt actual speed of the ship, it is interdimensional travel. Think of it like the nether in minecraft,a block distance in the nether is an 8 block distance in the overworld(normal dimension)
Expected a ding for the lightspeed kamikaze too. If that was possible, why has nobody else ever used it before
It only works because that ship has the same type of shield as Starkiller base, but is not a standard shield type for other ships.
@@AdmiralBlackstar huh? Don't think that how that work in Star Wars. Where did you get that information from?
Also, IF you include things like the WEG books and the jump out scene from Rouge One where ships smash angainst the SD as they make a jump, it implies this shouldn't work.
But seriously, curious as to the info source, i might of missed something.
@@davidgipe997 well in VII we see Solo jump past Starkiller Base' s advanced shields because it has a refractional refresh rate. This is the same shield they used on the Supremacy.
And it didn't work in Rogue One is because those ships used an older type of system that didn't have that weakness.
@@AdmiralBlackstar ok i can see speed allowing to slip past a fraction of a second. But that doesn't explain why the SD in Rouge One didn't shatter like the supremacy with the multiple ships jumping out. They would be jumping like Holdo. And even if it didn't breach to hyper it would of been a C fractional (high percentage of light speed) hit. Since Velocity i believe is the factor being pointed at in the Holdo maneuver.
Did i miss a line where the Supremacy was equiped with a similar deflector shield or is it in the encyclopedia?
@Joseph Joestar I wasn't expecting anyone to be looking at my playlists on account of no original content on my channel.
2:30 a “throwaway” joke
I see you there with that sneaky probably not intended pun
It was totally intended check the spelling he used. Also I don't get it. Is that part of Del Toro or whoever's full name?
@@castonyoung7514 wrong timestamp.
So how did Rey get all this power without training? It’s confusing like how Luke had to train like Yoda, Obi-wan and Anakin
Luke trained by lifting rocks and carrying a Muppet on his back.
Oh yeah? So you deduce that, in the 1,5 to 2 years he has been training with Yoda, he only did that? Based on what you see for 5 minutes?
I was fine with the lack of training. Its not a Rocky movie, not every star wars needs a training montage. That's just me though. I'm fine not seeing Bruce Wayne's patents die in every Batman movie and I'm happy with just assuming Jedi can do force shit.
@@BabysitterSky Name one Jedi that's never had to do any sort of training. Even Darth Bane and Satele Shan, the most gifted Jedi and Sith in the Star Wars universe, still had to hone their skills. Even if Rey's training was something that was mentioned in passing, like Mara Jade's, at least it would be some justification for her ability.
@@dangerdash4393 I think the movie is good, without the romance between Rose and Finn and the OP Rey that knows how to fly a starship very well, knows how to use a lightsaber very well, knows how to shot with a blaster very well and knows how to control the force very well
I'm astounded you removed a sin for that lightsaber fight. You should have added at least 6, one for each time you can see a red twirly dude wait their turn before jumping in to be stabbed.
Literally compliments the fucking awful fight.
Yes, 5 sins off for the Hyperspace Suicide Ram, but another 10 for the huge retcon to the established lore around Hyperspace.
Incap how about another 5 for why did they just have a drone or autopilot do it? Why has this never been a tactic in SW before. God this movie sucked.
@@DKGifford19608 because its a waste of resourses. they cant afford the hyper drives to use as just nukes. its legit one of the most expensive things in the universe. and its ineffective in most situations anyways, as it would typically only destroy 1 ship. this only destroyed multiple because the initial impacted ship is so massive and their formation is ineffective as their main ship is in the front instead of the back where you would really want it
@@thasnoxi1291 With the empire throwing out an entire array of super star destroýers and super weapons that needed entire fleets to get taken down, Im pretty sure that it would be worth it anyway. They could have destroyed both Death Stars with ease or the fleets attacking Hoth or defending Endor, with only one shot. The empire on the other hand (that definitly has MORE then enough ressources to do something like that) could simply crashed one of those into the Rebel bases on Javin 4 or Hoth. Imagine one hammering into the close formation of the rebel fleet above Endor. That could have ended the civil war right there.
@@thasnoxi1291 A few Hyperdrives undoubtedly costs less then the half a dozen superweapons the First Orded made... and half of their superweapons have massively complex hyperdrives The Supremacy, the Dreadnought... Starkiller Base.
Heck even the bombers that Poe sent on the original suicide mission had Hyperspace Drives.
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And in a universe where things like the Dreadnoughts, Death Stars and Star Killer base only require 1 well aimed shot to destroy something even a limited weapon which can cut through all armor is God tier.
Your reasons are Poodooo. Stop excusing bad writing which did not examine the existing framework it was supposed to fit into.
@@thasnoxi1291 every single ship has a hyperdrive...even the X-wings.. Poe sacraficed an entire fleet worth of hyper drives to take out one star destroyer at the begining of the movie. If it was possible to just hyperspace kamikaze it, they could've saved their whole fleet and hundreds of lives. I understand the need to try to make sense of plot holes, but this was just unjustifiably poor writing.
When my Son won't do his chores, I just threaten him with sitting through this episode again, problem solved!
Man that's a little harsh
Lmao good punishment.
That’s child abuse
Underrated comment
i like it tho.
Correct title: Everything is Wrong with The Last Jedi
i was gonna say that
Correct title: little crybabies are still upset by this amazing movie because they didn't get exactly what they wanted
@@1000aaronaaronaaron im sorry that i have a opinion
@@DokkanWeeb i didn't direct anything towards you.... I'm sorry if you were offended.
@@1000aaronaaronaaron im not offended im just saying that just because someone has a different opinion from you that apparently makes them a crybaby
5:15 “or does she only have enough FUEL for one space resurrection?”
literally had me in tears laughing
“Use the force Luke.”
*kills self
Luke accidentally force chokes himself
At the time of reading your comment it has 101 likes. Im gonna leave there because it makes me think of it being a lesson in a class on being a Jedi.
"In Soviet Russia, Force Use You!" XD
Note to self: too much metaclorians used will cause instant force ghost.
Wars make not one great...
I’m so confused I just watched Rise of Skywalker and none of it, and I mean NONE of it included the kid at the end
Maybe cinemasins has an extended version
@@reed2894 oh uh, I watched it again and realized…”oh wait, I did see this” so yeah
Another plot hole into the mix
Kenobi refuels his ship in Episode III on Utapou
Oh ya that little ship ya
Also, Lando’s Tibanna gas mine.
Well why do they have so little fuel in the first place. What did that ship do before that "battle"? Some space vacation cruise?
Tibanna gas is for weaponry.
In Kotor 2 one of the missions is to find fuel contracts for a planet because you destroyed their mining facility.
10:33 according to the explanation provided by the books, he deliberately got himself thrown in jail for a very minor offense, specifically because that’s the one place where he was guaranteed some (largely) uninterrupted sleep! The one thing about this whole thing I actually liked, though I can’t quite put my finger on why.
I'm not even watching this. This movie still makes me mad beyond measure.
You are properly insane then
Oh, and we also have someone who wants to lie about political agendas because he wants to push his own. Neat.
Nah go watch it, its like watching a dumpster fire. It can be be stupid fun in a way, just don’t breathe anything in.
@@WeavileLady
Yep, properly insane and running around looking for confirmation bias.
The people who actual try to complain about political stuff are legit insane. They're just making stuff up to see shadows where there aren't any
People who actually fall to the mental state where they're the equivalent of a parody of nitpicking has something seriously wrong with them, too
@@brando3342
Ah, the mere act of disagreeing with you makes you literally say that.
You don't even know what my opinion is, lol. You just throw me under the bus because its not agreeing with you.
Yes, you are properly insane.
LX I don’t think you know what insane means.
The same reaction I had to the light speed jump “Holy F*ck”
The Light Speed jump she did through the First Order Fleet is the most badass thing anyone can do. Yes, she died but she went out like no other.
@@bossshun9 And lets be honest, it is the only redeeming feature in the whole film
@@RicardoGantusa even tho it makes no sense lol
@@Headshotdead23 it breaks the lore of star wars pretty much but the rule of cool applies and it an exception
It was a hell of a way to go out
George Lucas: Hold my blue milk
Rian Johnson: 😐
Mauler: "Hold my rihno milk."
Could been processed to turned blue. Still fricking gross
Great work as always.
Only one gripe.
At 16:13 sins were removed for the suicide jump into the first order dread.
Really twenty sins should have been added.
This scene is a very lore breaking event.
It breaks the lore but it’s easily the single coolest McFreaking scene in the movie.
As someone who wasn't that invested in the lore by the time I saw that scene, even after I was informed of the lore that scene kicks ass.
15:25 Snoke is from the same mysterious place as over-hyped-then-tossed-away bounty hunter Boba Fett.
Snoke reminds me of the alien "interdimensional beings" in Indiana Jones Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
....Boba Fett is the son of Jango Fett. He's like, an elite clone trooper. Didn't they establish this pretty well in Episode II?
Except Boba Fett has a backstory!
Well, no. Boba Fett was not just tossed away. He plays the proper badass that he’s universally known to be.
Each Star Wars film mirrors the amount of villains that the opposite include.
In episode 4 the Death Star, Vader and Tarkin are each their own threat within the narrative.
In episode 1 the Trade Federation, Maul and Sidious.
Episode 5, we again have 3 villains; Vader, Fett/Jabba and the Emperor (not including the Wampa, nor the walkers)
Episode 2, Dooku/CIS, Shapeshifter/Fett and Sidious (not including the sand people, nor the shitty animals in the coliseum scene)
But then in episode 6 we have Fett and Jabba again, but this time they can be considered as separate threats within the narrative.
And we can also include the Death Star, Palpatine and Vader on that list.
And if we look at episode 3 we can see; Dooku, General Grievous/CIS, Vader, Palpatine and, of course, the Clone Army.
Not only does he serve the structure of the series perfectly, but Fett is a badass within the narrative, being able to track the Millennium Falcon and deduce where they would go, plus he was the only one that knew where the Falcon was hidden.
Plus, he isn’t even doing it for the Empire or Jabba really. He’s a bounty hunter. Just doing it for the money, just like Han in the first film. That’s why he’s a badass, because he’s supposed to be Han’s villain.
@@Zerhapy I died with the Phasma part.
You should’ve added 50 sins to the ship going to light speed and cutting through the other ship. If that made sense they could’ve done that to the Death Star. Also, there have been many clone wars and scenes where people have exploded because they crashed into a ship in light speed.
You mean the Supremacy is the same size as the Death Star AND the rebels had a 3km-long ship at that time? Wow...
@@jeffreycn1 the death star was deliberately built to explode at the slightest malfunction. Put a hyperdrive on an x-wing, put a droid in to kamikaze itself into the weak spot. Boom. Literally. There is nothing the empire can do to defend against an attack like that.
For that matter, why would the empire go to such insane length to build a planet sized space laser when they could just hyperdrive giant ships into planets for the exact same effect?
You should've accepted the fact that it's a movie series based on space magic and space wizards/knights.
Thief_of_ Hyrule says the boy who’s username is thief of hyrule
@@ThisAdamGuy You want to send a fighter accurately into a 2m-wide exhaust port at lightspeed. That would require much more precise targeting than what Holdo did.
3:32 Poe actually did his job insanely well. His actions (somehow managing to take out a bunch of fighters and all the cannons to allow the bombers to get to the dreadnought. Which apparently was necessary to destroy for them to be able to escape.)
Why he was ordered back was completely unexplainable.
Just because it turned out to be a lucky move, doesn’t mean that if he keeps making reckless decisions, he will still end up on top lol
@@xxraddude3621 did you read my whole comment?
Apparently if he didn't manage to take out the dreadnought it would have annihilated the Resistance fleet. He's not the brightest bulb in the box but in this case I think he was right.
Lyte Strykz in pretty sure they would’ve been able to escape lol
@@xxraddude3621 what. they were being tracked through hyperspace? how? and they were able to get a shot off at the planetside base, which would have annihilated the fleet if they had proper prioritization
Like 99% of this movie 😅😅
Ships in the other star wars films: I can travel across the entire galaxy without breaking a sweat.
Ships in the Last Jedi: I can only do a couple jumps and then I'm useless.