The reason hair can sometimes be "stuck" to the skull, is that hair does not decompose like the rest of the body, and the process of decomposition can sometimes make it stick to the bone.
I mean..has he never heard of a scalp..? Plus, yeah, if it's only semi-decomposed it'll have hair still But honestly..considering he believes in ghosts, I'm really not surprised in his lack of scientific knowledge hahaha It's like flat earthers who don't know basic geology or astronomy rambling about their cult But to be fair to Ryan, he's definitely a lot smarter than them, but ghosts aren't too far off
Fun sidefact: most bones do not stay together when picked up after the body decomposed (i am sure most people are aware of that) because what keeps them together are muscles and sinews. This is actually how archaeolgoists determine if a body was buried somewhere before decomposing or afterwards: there is a certain bone in your body (the Hyoid Bone, also called the Floating Bone by archaeologists!) that do not connect to any other bone (which means they "float free") and thus, once the muscles and sinews are gone, tend to get lost when picked up. So if you find an entire skeleton but not the Hyoid Bone, the assumption is generally that the body was moved there after decomposing. Of course, this approach would not work here because the bones were also moved by the wildlife, so this is just a side tidbit I had to think of as Ryan and Shane were discussing if bones stick together.
"Does hair grow through the skull?" No Ryan. Hair does not grow through the skull. Hair grows through the skin, and when it dries out, the skin shrinks onto the skull.
thank you for this comment - i'm rewatching this video and that bugged me so much bc i know it doesn't grow through the bone, but i have also seen a real life skeleton with hair attached to it and couldn't figure out how that worked
for the post mortem: why do none of the theories mention the taffeta found in the woman’s mouth? seems like it would be a bigger part of the case, especially since it insinuated that she was suffocated
Right. And I wonder if it was a piece of and not a whole meaning maybe they could find the whole thing it belonged to somewhere, like a trophy or something, maybe someone was taking advantage of there bein a war goin on.
Exactly Taffeta was (and may still be considered) as a high end cloth and didn't match what she was wearing. It was a single piece too. And apparently the ring she was wearing was imitation gold so I highly doubt the tafetta came from something owned by her.
13:11 Wait, if the theory is that you can trap a witch in a hollow tree, then wouldn't it make more sense that 'Bella' was murdered by someone who suspected *her* of witchcraft, rather than by someone doing witchcraft themselves? As we can tell from the theorists, there were clearly people around who were afraid witches might be out to sacrifice them, so maybe one of those people thought that of Bella and killed her for it. Historically, it does seem like more people have been killed on suspicion of witchcraft than by witches.
This actually makes sense as Britain has a long history with witches and witchcraft, so it would kinda make sense if this happened, as if this lady was suspected of witchcraft someone could have actually murdered her and put her in a hollow tree
@@bruh8025 gonna be real, there's tons of islands or smaller villages out here nowadays that I could totally see still having a murder case for someone suspected of witchcraft
"According to police, the remains have been lost over the years.." ???? Like they just kept losing bits and pieces over the years and every time they were just like "oops there goes another one!"
The remains were kept at the University of Birmingham for further analysis, but lost in the years since. It's a common warehouse SNAFU: even the Smithsonian has screwed up like this.
@@TheSaneHatter Yup. I figure "lost" just means that they weren't properly labeled and are stored at the University. We see this with museums a lot, like you stated with the Smithsonian, they keep so many items on hand, but sometimes they aren't labeled properly or there are just too many items and things get misplaced. Seems like getting some interns with serious supervision together to sift through everything might actually help.
I have strange feeling that remains found in a tree with all that mystery and witch theory most likely got stolen by one of the cops or medical students pathologists and sold to a one of British fraternities that are into occult. Feeling or fact? ;)
Between "hair growing into the skull" and "yeah growing genetically similar embryos is one theory of how cloning works; it could just be a xerox machine", I am genuinely concerned about Ryan's nonexistant grasp of science.
I think it's kind of strange that they completely discounted the idea of her getting into the tree herself. People in distress will do incredible things, and if she had been trying to escape from someone, or tried to hide during the air raids, or simply been on drugs, it's very possible that she tried to get into the tree and then either got stuck or accidentally suffocated herself while trying to stay silent. It's maybe not the most likely possibility, but perhaps more likely than the witch theory by a random egyptologist
OR OR she slept/body dumped in a place which happened to be over a seed and then the tree grew around her. Why did no one think of that? it would certainly explain the peculiar shape
I thought the esophagus was in front of your trachea (windpipe) for 21 years. Even when I saw a trachea in a body. But now I’m 25 getting a masters in anatomy and going to medical school soon. 🤷🏼♀️you don’t know till you know. Lol
Well, to be fair when a body is mostly but not entirely decomposed, the tendons that connect the bones are nearly the last to go, so some (though i'd imagine not all) bones would still be somewhat connected. As for hair coming from the skull, well, hair can be connected to not yet decomposed pieces of skin that are on the skull but uhh.... yeah no it doesn't come from the skull. Ryan's um,, well i guess anatomy isn't really his thing but uh, he's pretty, I'll give him that..
@@thelazylauren2909 yeah, i actually made a post about his missconsumptions in the comment section, but ryan asked if there were "only bones" could you pick up a bare sceleton so im not sure if he thought of the fibres as part of the sceleton or if he thinks that he can walk/move with his bones "glued" together xD
@@Victoria-qb6cc well sorry if im not from an english speaking country, the last time i wrote in english fr was back in high school .. dont worry, i kill in my field in my native language
The boys should do the story of Harold Holt: An Australian prime minister who straight up disappeared into the ocean and has never been heard from since.
I actually do know what I'd do if I discovered human remains bc when I was a teenager my family was out at my stepmother's family cabin. My younger sister and I were out exploring in the woods when we stumbled upon a ribcage attached to some spine. There was just enough... meat for lack of a better word, to keep its shape. We gasped, and quietly but quickly left the area and told our Father right away. He asked us to take him to where we'd found the bones. Turns out it was just a deer rib cage, no doubt left there by some predator (probably why there was only a part of it and not the whole skeleton lol), but our dad told us that we still did the right thing in telling him right away and that if ever we see something or something happens or whatever again to not be afraid to tell him.
One time i found a ribcage and I threw it in a bonfire and preserved the bones....at the time i was sure it was a deer but reading this I'm sorta sus of myself
Something similar happened to me when I was younger. I was walking in a snowy field and noticed my dogs were licking something under the snow. I looked and it was a pink and white goat hoof with the rest of the leg hidden under the snow. I freaked out and ran and got my mom, but when I showed her where it was, there was nothing. We scoured every mark in the snow but found nothing. The dogs didn’t find it again either. I looked again when the snow melted, but again nothing. Very distinctive memory.
Theory for post mortem: She was originally searching for food in the forest as the boys had been, but when she heard the air raid siren, she couldn’t find shelter and in a panic climbed inside the tree, she placed the piece of fabric into her mouth as people are often told to do when explosions may be imminent to prevent them biting down and cracking there teeth. Once the air raid was over she realised she was trapped inside the tree and died of thirst or exposure. #postmortem
They found her 18 months after her death, could the tree have grown more in that time? Would it have been easier for her to get in earlier, and then the tree growing over her during the 18 months?
Ryan: "The only explanation of that is a ghost!" Also Ryan: "Does hair grow through the skull?" Also Ryan: "Must be weird to pick up a body that is just bones....Do they stick together?"
Lol we woke up at like three in the morning a few months back to the sirens and three counties had to hide in their closets. My little sister was freaking out so bad
For the postmortem: as someone who lives literally like an hours drive away, can confirm Birmingham is a weird place and dutch witch spies from Nazi Germany shoved in a tree is not the weirdest thing that's happened there for sure
her wedding ring was fake. so its ether she was a spy and pretending to be a married women or the person who married her gave her a fake ring because they didn't really care too much about her.
It's funny how Ryan knows nothing about science. The fact that he said "This episode is called Ryan knows nothing about PHYSIOLOGY" when in fact, he talked about parts it should've been anatomy *(anatomy is to parts; physiology is to function)*
Ryan “hair grows from your skull right?” Also Ryan “Bones stay linked together don’t they...” I’m a 18 year old biology student and I’m scared for you Ryan
@@eva-gj6zi Hair grows in China and then is glued on at night by golbins and so basically it's a illusion that hair grows from the head when it's just wigs that grow a milometer from each night based on the previous night and bones are held together by wood screw
shane: 80s history teacher, interested in radio, old machines and leonardo da vinci, amateur detective ryan: gym teacher, conspiracy theories stoner, goes to concerts, has a soft spot for losers
Fun fact: when you mentioned Ryan's idea of a sky burial where Shane's body gets yote out of a plane, someone nearly died due to a falling body once. The body was that of a stowaway on a plane, whose body fell out of the landing gear compartment when the plane went for landing. If I remember right it landed mere feet away from some guy minding his business outside his house. So, yeet your bodies responsibly, kids. #postmortem
“And how’d you come across the body, sir?” “I swear it just fell out of the sky! It nearly killed me!” “....... yeah we’re going to need you to head down to the station for a few more questions”
The body was of a kenyan refugee. The man was British and was spending the afternoon relaxing in the garden trying to get a tan. The body landed a meter away from him.
As a human biologist and anatomist, this episode physically hurt me. “Does the hair grow through the skull” and “Do the bones stay together” will haunt me forever. Also what shape do you think the femur is to enable it to be a decent boomerang!?
Really makes me uncomfortable how Americans pronounce the 'ham' in Birmingham In the UK we sort of pretend the H isn't there, like 'Birmingum' Can also confirm that people in the UK absolutely would stuff their friends in a tree if they get too drunk
TheIrishninjas Shane looks like your uncle who is going through a mid-life crisis then divorced your aunt for a 23 year old and then married but the 23 year old (Jane) divorced him and took all of his money now he lives in your basement after your mom took pity of him but now your dad and mother argue every night because your dad doesn’t want him in the house.
Uhm I can answer the hair/skull question as to why sometimes a skull without flesh has hair. As the flesh that hold those hair follicles decays, there are very particular circumstances involving humidity, soil acidity, etc that can cause the decayed flesh to almost become like a glue of sorts. The flesh has shrunk as it dried and decayed and leaves a layer so thin sometimes it’s almost non-existent (so the hair easily falls off if not handled properly), and this layer ‘glues’ the hair to the skull. It’s always very delicate tho as the bond is very weak, and the hair will dislodge from the skull of not handled with extreme caution.
Inevitable Decay you are absolutely correct. In the correct conditions hair can last for insanely long periods. Many remains around the world have been found with almost full heads of hair.
Can we talk about the fact that her SKULL (along with the shoe and I think some other items but no other bones) were found in the elm tree is depended on way too much in each theory? They already mentioned that they found the other bones in different places, possibly by animals and critters. So why is it everyone immediately went "her body was stuffed in the tree" when isnt it WAY more possible her SKULL and other things were just dragged by a critter or animal who deemed that a good home/hiding spot??? I honestly don't believe that she was put in the witch elm if there was literally no other evidence then the fact they found her skull but no other body parts in it, it seems more plausible she was killed somewhere else in the forest and that is just where the skull happened to end up. Of course there's still a possibility she was stuck into the tree, but I wish it wasn't made complete fact.
i think there were other bones in the tree, otherwise they wouldve assumed the same thing u said. Pretty sure the layout of her hones and her clothing in the tree made sense for someone who was shoved in a tree and had some bones/items dragged out. I thinkt hey just couldn't get all the bones out of the tree, so they mostly had to rely on bones found nearby and what they could reach
@@glitchxmars7415 yes, to me her clothes being found in the tree made it seem likely that she was put into the tree. Also, depending on how long she was there, maybe the tree grew so that it looked more like she was "inside" it, if that makes sense?
As someone originally from near Hagley Wood, it is very unlikely for a body to lay out in that forest for 18 months without being found. Is it like somewhere people go all the time? No, but people go about it often and for her to have been out there for a prolonged period of time, long enough to skeletonise, without her being found, her body would HAVE to be concealed. Similarly, the taffeta stuffed in her mouth would likely have been taken out of nesting animals had moved the bones around, since this would’ve been something useful for it. It’s far more likely that her body was concealed in the tree at some point, given the circumstances.
#postmortem the fact that her bones “went missing” makes me feel like she’s a spy even more. What’s more spy like than disappearing after you’ve already died and disappeared once
@@timeladyshayde honestly was there a fire or smth??? HOW DO YOU LOSE THE ONLY RELIABLE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE IN A CASE? and like.... there's a lot of bones in a skeleton and you lost them ALL????
@@ositaiza888 The case went cold, they put the skeleton in a box on a shelf somewhere and in the last 70 years police forces have been merged, split, moved to different headquarters etc. If they assumed she was a local prostitute I doubt they would have been terribly worried about solving the case. Police don't care about murdered working girls, especially in the middle of a war.
timeladyshayde I agree, but it adds to the mystery of the story, and with something that was so obviously cared about by the people surrounded by the case, it seems odd that the remains would just go missing
I was brought up near Hagley and the woods there are remote from any nearby small towns, you could scream your lungs out there and its unlikely anyone would hear you. The graffiti reappeared in the 1970's and scared the hell out of the kids in the area for a while.
Line Lundager I mean my plans for my body are quite weird. I’ve said “Set me on fire and cremate me, then split my ashes up and turn some into a diamond and the rest into the base of an eternal coral reef” more times than I can count
Being someone that lives literally 5 minutes down the road from this stories location, it gave me chills to hear you name my town and pronounce it pretty accurately, also, the paper my father worked at (e&s) and then thirdly mention the name Clara (my nan named her car Clara). It's a very well known case even now and people still leave graffiti asking the same question. I have images of the area I can send if you'd like to use them in the post mortem!! Obviously, loved this episode!!! #postmortem
@John Greenfield I bet! It's a proper local legend around here. There's an obelisk on top of the hill where it happened that is fenced off to try to stop people graffiting it. Needless to say it fails.
Shane looks like an overworked detective while Ryan just looks like one of those frat dads who loves to go to concerts and say "YOOO!" and "BROOOOO" Alot.
uh.... did you not say Una Mossop wrote “the person responsible died insane in 1942” and that Jack Mossop, who had nightmares about “Bella”, died in a mental hospital before the remains were found - and they were found in 1943... sounds like she was confessing her husbands murder #postmortem
Post-mortem: Maybe she was just chillin in the woods and thought “I wonder if I can fit in that tree” then got stuck in there. The problem with this and the drunk theory is that surely you would want to survive even if it meant hurting yourself in the process. Also I live 30 mins away from hagley woods so if needed I could visit and do my own car headlight hypnosis to see if I can crack it? #postmortem (Edit: I added a hashtag for some reason)
kartondergruene Yeah...I feel like for this show Ryan should spend maybe just like, one hour researching how human bodies work. Like, rigor mortis is more obscure but the hair thing??? And not knowing how bones work??? I’m both amused and concerned.
As a Brit, I can confirm that stuffing someone into a tree after they've passed out drunk as a prank is definitely something we would do. We have a classy sense of humour.
Millions of wedding rings are sold all over... rings dont generally have serial numbers unless they are super costly or custom designed... a normal gold band is about 40$ it wouldn't be traceable....lol
Ryan looks like some guy who probably works at a little shop by the beach and Shane looks like a divorced history teacher who’s been through it and has run out of pills
This episode convinced me that Shane and Ryan are the Trixie and Katya of Crime. Especially the "Tornado-Take-Me" bit... Very Katya. Also Ryans knowledge of (or lack of) Biology is classic Trixie.
How- how does one lose an _entire_ skeleton, especially one belonging to a (probably) murdered woman whose case remains unsolved? A pretty famous case at that? How???
my fantastic nickname what if the ring hasn’t been on her ring finger though? Wearing a ring doesn’t necessarily mean you’re married too, and if Bella was a spy or illegal immigrant, she may have used it to create a more realistic story
Abusive partners distance their victims from their family for years. This was a man who killed his wife and stuffed her into the tree, then told everyone she divorced him. Thats it, that kind of murder happens every single day, and if you dont identify or find the body is almost impossible to solve.
@anonymous user they do have a point tho, we don't know what finger it was on, so technically she might not have been married at all, or even if she was, maybe shes widowed, or her husband is abroad for the war
I think maybe Clara (the tree lady) took the identity of the other Clara who died in Berlin. Easier than coming up with a whole new person for your spy persona. Or maybe the tree lady just looked similar to Clara and was killed out of suspicion that she was a spy. Maybe Clara (tree lady) parachuted into the woods and idk, maybe either got stuck in a tree on the way down or was killed by another spy. Or maybe the woman in the tree wasn’t even Clara, but a Dutch immigrant who was killed by people who thought she was a spy. The bones later went missing, yeah? It can’t be too easy to just lose an entire skelly 💀 Maybe the people with custody of the bones were paid to discreetly dispose of them so there would be no incriminating evidence against whoever killed her.
Shane looks like he belongs in the 70s as a rugged detective, he fits the profile of both a serial killer and detective. Ryan looks like he's just came back from the 80s with that attire, Ryan definitely fits the profile of a serial killer on heroin which is Shane's 'favourite'.
I feel bad for the young boys searching for food and accidentally finding a skeleton that would eventually become a case that will never be solved in history
Postmortem: why wasn’t anyone investigating the wedding ring found with her belongings ? And the police seemed to be more interested in catching the spray painter then solving the case. --Edit: I love watching the buzz feed unsolved videos, thank you for posting during all this chaos,,hope everybody stays safe and healthy. #postmortem
Hagley, Worcestershire is a regional town with only a population of 6,000 in 2016. Considering the lack of proper police investigative education at the time, as well as the fact that this was a small town, police probably saw more familiarity with graffiti cases than murder cases. Which is probably why, with a murder case going on, police thought that linking the graffiti with the murder was necessary.
Make sure to leave your questions for our Post Mortem episode down below!
BuzzFeed Unsolved Network why is Shane this way 😂😂
Why? Just. why?
#postmortem this is the one thing that has kept me sane during quarantine which is ironic since this show radiates insanity and pure chaos. thank you.
#postmortem Hi guys I really liked this episode. I hope you are doing well in this crazy time; do you have any book recommendations?
If your listening could you do an episode on the London riots
“we all swear to never speak of this human skull again”
next day
“hey dad-”
Emma Doherty lol me every single time
The reason hair can sometimes be "stuck" to the skull, is that hair does not decompose like the rest of the body, and the process of decomposition can sometimes make it stick to the bone.
Don’t lie to Ryan, hair grows out of our bones and find its way through our skin.
@CCH Delirium don’t lie we all know it comes out of our brains
@@lilriceboy6037 hahahhaahahha
Interesting
I mean..has he never heard of a scalp..?
Plus, yeah, if it's only semi-decomposed it'll have hair still
But honestly..considering he believes in ghosts, I'm really not surprised in his lack of scientific knowledge hahaha
It's like flat earthers who don't know basic geology or astronomy rambling about their cult
But to be fair to Ryan, he's definitely a lot smarter than them, but ghosts aren't too far off
Fun sidefact: most bones do not stay together when picked up after the body decomposed (i am sure most people are aware of that) because what keeps them together are muscles and sinews. This is actually how archaeolgoists determine if a body was buried somewhere before decomposing or afterwards: there is a certain bone in your body (the Hyoid Bone, also called the Floating Bone by archaeologists!) that do not connect to any other bone (which means they "float free") and thus, once the muscles and sinews are gone, tend to get lost when picked up. So if you find an entire skeleton but not the Hyoid Bone, the assumption is generally that the body was moved there after decomposing.
Of course, this approach would not work here because the bones were also moved by the wildlife, so this is just a side tidbit I had to think of as Ryan and Shane were discussing if bones stick together.
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Ooo thank you! This is really interesting
"Does hair grow through the skull?" No Ryan. Hair does not grow through the skull. Hair grows through the skin, and when it dries out, the skin shrinks onto the skull.
"Shrinks onto the skull"??
@@adriatic.vineyards Yeah, like leather, when skin dries, it contacts.
thank you for this comment - i'm rewatching this video and that bugged me so much bc i know it doesn't grow through the bone, but i have also seen a real life skeleton with hair attached to it and couldn't figure out how that worked
Honestly as a Brit I can say that stuffing someone in a tree would definitely be something you would do when drunk
Oh my God yeah 100%
Ok now i know I'll never get drunk in Britain.
Itachi Uchiha best not tbh
wtf lol
It's the 1940s version of riding a shopping trolley?
Shane looks like Remus Lupin right before he turns into a werewolf
for the post mortem: why do none of the theories mention the taffeta found in the woman’s mouth? seems like it would be a bigger part of the case, especially since it insinuated that she was suffocated
Right. And I wonder if it was a piece of and not a whole meaning maybe they could find the whole thing it belonged to somewhere, like a trophy or something, maybe someone was taking advantage of there bein a war goin on.
stormy ra or maybe the killer left it as a mark.
I just read that taffeta was used for parachutes during ww2
Exactly Taffeta was (and may still be considered) as a high end cloth and didn't match what she was wearing. It was a single piece too. And apparently the ring she was wearing was imitation gold so I highly doubt the tafetta came from something owned by her.
I thought they meant taffy candy. That definitely makes more sense! I think that it would have been hard to follow though
13:11 Wait, if the theory is that you can trap a witch in a hollow tree, then wouldn't it make more sense that 'Bella' was murdered by someone who suspected *her* of witchcraft, rather than by someone doing witchcraft themselves? As we can tell from the theorists, there were clearly people around who were afraid witches might be out to sacrifice them, so maybe one of those people thought that of Bella and killed her for it. Historically, it does seem like more people have been killed on suspicion of witchcraft than by witches.
Ikr? I thought the same thing!
This actually makes sense as Britain has a long history with witches and witchcraft, so it would kinda make sense if this happened, as if this lady was suspected of witchcraft someone could have actually murdered her and put her in a hollow tree
In 1940s Britain?
@@bruh8025 I know it'd probably be kind of an outlier, but some people are still superstitious I think, even today.
@@bruh8025 gonna be real, there's tons of islands or smaller villages out here nowadays that I could totally see still having a murder case for someone suspected of witchcraft
“I will never speak of this again”
Immediately tells dad
Hey dad look at this cool tree! I found a skull in it! Isn't that cool??
Right?! Kids. Sheesh.
To be fair I would have told my parents too...
Same
When did Shane turn into Remus Lupin? Was it before or after he insulted and threatened Annabelle?
That's EXACTLY what I was thinking XD
I just noticed this 😂 amazing
DarkKrono I cant unsee it now😂
lol
Now that I look at him he does look extremely like Remus Lupin
"According to police, the remains have been lost over the years.."
???? Like they just kept losing bits and pieces over the years and every time they were just like "oops there goes another one!"
To quote Shane: "These cops are useless!"
Funny how that happens!
The remains were kept at the University of Birmingham for further analysis, but lost in the years since. It's a common warehouse SNAFU: even the Smithsonian has screwed up like this.
@@TheSaneHatter Yup. I figure "lost" just means that they weren't properly labeled and are stored at the University. We see this with museums a lot, like you stated with the Smithsonian, they keep so many items on hand, but sometimes they aren't labeled properly or there are just too many items and things get misplaced. Seems like getting some interns with serious supervision together to sift through everything might actually help.
"Gary!! Hahaha OH Gary you forgot haha"
“I cannot imagine a person getting into the tree voluntarily”
Any overly drunk Brit: *is that a challenge mate?*
I would know.
I need to see that animated
the fact I can hear this perfectly as a Brit myself lmaoo
My old flatmates!
An overly drunk American "Hold my beer". 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
it honestly baffles me every single time police “loses” remains... like, at least bury them somewhere you can reach for
it went in the "special filing cabinet". it was never lost.
*pssh*
the rubbish basket sadly, a Unsolved Classic
I have strange feeling that remains found in a tree with all that mystery and witch theory most likely got stolen by one of the cops or medical students pathologists and sold to a one of British fraternities that are into occult. Feeling or fact? ;)
Idk it was ww2 I feel like anything could easily have been lost then
@Joy Back
You forgot a couple of commas there.
Ryan’s complete lack of understanding of biology is hilarious
Omg Shane is afraid of tornados and Ryan is scared of sharks, these guys need to review Sharknado
Heather David yessss that’s would be amasing (l can’t spell)
@buzzfeed PIN THIS COMMENT
Heather David such a illinois / California thing lmao i hate tornados im from illinois
lol yassssssssssssssssssssssssssss
I love Sharknado
im obsessed with the fact that Ryan genuinely thought hair grew from the skull and that bones are actually joined together... true himbo energy
Between "hair growing into the skull" and "yeah growing genetically similar embryos is one theory of how cloning works; it could just be a xerox machine", I am genuinely concerned about Ryan's nonexistant grasp of science.
@@Pentarax let’s not forget “there could be a black hole in the Bermuda Triangle that’s a portal to another universe”
@@Pentarax I think this explains why he's so confident ghosts exist
I’m just imaging Ryan as a Ken
the like amount says SOS 505
As a british person, i can 100% see someone getting hammered and putting someone in a tree as a joke
Lol I seen a similar comment is that what y'all really do 😂?
@@highme1329 yeh we're not the best people
@@highme1329 yeah as a fellow british person I can confirm
Honestly there's not much else to do here
@@beth9138 innit
Ryan: analyzes complicated unsolved murder cases
Also Ryan: *does hair grow from the skull?*
Lucozade made me think of all the polish names he pronounced correctly in another episode
I laughed out loud when Shane was like yeah “it [hair] starts in the brain Ryan!” 😂🧠💀
Hair grows all around the body. :)
Raven Hale that makes me think about that he learned how to correctly say Polish and Icelandic names but didn’t pronounce Van Gogh right
also Ryan: *dO tHe BoNeS sTaY tOgEtHeR??????*
Ryan knowing absolutely nothing about human anatomy for 23 minutes straight.
He knows a lot about bone marrow though
@@immortalperson314 true that
He even called it "human theology"
Tad Strange he said human physiology
Anika
Oh that makes more sense
I think it's kind of strange that they completely discounted the idea of her getting into the tree herself. People in distress will do incredible things, and if she had been trying to escape from someone, or tried to hide during the air raids, or simply been on drugs, it's very possible that she tried to get into the tree and then either got stuck or accidentally suffocated herself while trying to stay silent. It's maybe not the most likely possibility, but perhaps more likely than the witch theory by a random egyptologist
OR OR she slept/body dumped in a place which happened to be over a seed and then the tree grew around her. Why did no one think of that? it would certainly explain the peculiar shape
@@coralsworld not really, sometimes it takes months to discover a body. Sometimes even years.
@@coralsworld r/whoosh
@@Guy-zf5ofbecause her body was found no more than 18 months after she died, the tree doesn’t grow that fast in less than 2 years
@@Guy-zf5ofthe clothing found with the remains was of the period and far newer than the age of the tree.
Ryan looks like he’s fighting in a movement and Shane looks like a mad scientist from the 80s
Alexandra Marsh shane also looks like a substitute teacher
Accurate of both of their personalities
Shane also looks like that one weird dad of one of your one weird freinds
Alexandra Marsh we love a roast
He's a few grey hairs away from Einstein territory 😂
Ryan: *knows the term "epidermal layer"*
Also Ryan: *wonders if hair grows through the skull*
AxxL u good
no el Yeah, but it was a decent guess!
I thought the esophagus was in front of your trachea (windpipe) for 21 years. Even when I saw a trachea in a body. But now I’m 25 getting a masters in anatomy and going to medical school soon. 🤷🏼♀️you don’t know till you know. Lol
Hahaha
AxxL bruh how high are you
*someone gets brutally murdered*
Shane: ain’t that a hoot?
*strong twisty wind exists*
Shane: hey man don’t joke thats serious
Satan : Sorry daddy.
Shane: They live in a small town. Most exciting thing that has happened in 10 years is they found bones in a tree.
World War 2: Am I a joke to you?
Yeah also I thought Birmingham was a fairly large city
Edit: I live all the U.S.s west coast and my friend was born their but that doesn’t mean much
Loueke Kudlinskeioo Yeah Birmingham is quite a large city.
Well it is now anyway, it might have been a small town back then?
Martin Lewis t
@@daddra7304 t
Birmingham is one of the largest cities in the U.K. I burst out laughing when he said that ahaha
“Does the hair come from the skull”
“Do the bones stay together”
Oh boy
this seriously hahahha as a "science" student the little medical mistakes/missconsuptions made this ep painful for me to watch
Well, to be fair when a body is mostly but not entirely decomposed, the tendons that connect the bones are nearly the last to go, so some (though i'd imagine not all) bones would still be somewhat connected. As for hair coming from the skull, well, hair can be connected to not yet decomposed pieces of skin that are on the skull but uhh.... yeah no it doesn't come from the skull.
Ryan's um,, well i guess anatomy isn't really his thing but uh, he's pretty, I'll give him that..
@@thelazylauren2909 yeah, i actually made a post about his missconsumptions in the comment section, but ryan asked if there were "only bones" could you pick up a bare sceleton so im not sure if he thought of the fibres as part of the sceleton or if he thinks that he can walk/move with his bones "glued" together xD
ivy Are you sure you’re a science student? Your spelling and grammar doesn’t resemble that of a college student.
@@Victoria-qb6cc well sorry if im not from an english speaking country,
the last time i wrote in english fr was back in high school .. dont worry, i kill in my field in my native language
"When I am bones, if you find me somewhere......carry on," the amount of unbotheredness seeping out of this dude is just simply immaculate
The boys should do the story of Harold Holt: An Australian prime minister who straight up disappeared into the ocean and has never been heard from since.
He was kidnapped by a kangaroo
omg yes. and share thoughts on the appropriately made swimming pool named after him.
I'm Australian and my dads uncle also straight up dissappeared into the ocean
Rebekka Tummon from what i understand that’s something that happens often there?
Is that why aus keeps getting rubbish leaders? The curse of Harold Holt??
Boys: We’ll never speak of this again.
Boy: Yes.
Boy: AY YO MA-
this should have more likes
AY YO MA THERES A WEIRD LOOKIN SKELTON OUTSIDE-!
"Mom and I HAVE no secrets! We go shopping together!"
Mini Might1234 I DON’T WANT IT PICKIN’ A FIGHT WITH LUCY
AY YO PIERRE YOU WANA COME HERE?
I actually do know what I'd do if I discovered human remains bc when I was a teenager my family was out at my stepmother's family cabin. My younger sister and I were out exploring in the woods when we stumbled upon a ribcage attached to some spine. There was just enough... meat for lack of a better word, to keep its shape.
We gasped, and quietly but quickly left the area and told our Father right away. He asked us to take him to where we'd found the bones.
Turns out it was just a deer rib cage, no doubt left there by some predator (probably why there was only a part of it and not the whole skeleton lol), but our dad told us that we still did the right thing in telling him right away and that if ever we see something or something happens or whatever again to not be afraid to tell him.
Well written!
You have a good dad
One time i found a ribcage and I threw it in a bonfire and preserved the bones....at the time i was sure it was a deer but reading this I'm sorta sus of myself
Something similar happened to me when I was younger. I was walking in a snowy field and noticed my dogs were licking something under the snow. I looked and it was a pink and white goat hoof with the rest of the leg hidden under the snow. I freaked out and ran and got my mom, but when I showed her where it was, there was nothing. We scoured every mark in the snow but found nothing. The dogs didn’t find it again either. I looked again when the snow melted, but again nothing. Very distinctive memory.
To be fair, maybe your dad murdered someone, (I'm kidding. Or am I? Gotta keep em on their toes.)
Theory for post mortem: She was originally searching for food in the forest as the boys had been, but when she heard the air raid siren, she couldn’t find shelter and in a panic climbed inside the tree, she placed the piece of fabric into her mouth as people are often told to do when explosions may be imminent to prevent them biting down and cracking there teeth. Once the air raid was over she realised she was trapped inside the tree and died of thirst or exposure. #postmortem
you should add the #postmortem to your comment so they can see :D
!!
Azure thanks, I forgot I had to do that
@@ingee4421 and be screaming for help
They found her 18 months after her death, could the tree have grown more in that time? Would it have been easier for her to get in earlier, and then the tree growing over her during the 18 months?
Ryan: "The only explanation of that is a ghost!"
Also Ryan: "Does hair grow through the skull?"
Also Ryan: "Must be weird to pick up a body that is just bones....Do they stick together?"
#postmortem 🤣
Also Ryan called anatomy, "physiology"....which is kinda okay, but kinda not.#postmortem
My nursing brain hurt hahahahaha
Scalp(that grows hair): I'm offended in 2017 style...
Poor, clueless Ryan... 😉😅
Shane looks like a college professor that’s been up late arguing with his wife and has had too much coffee
KaylaKay and he mixed some scotch into the coffee
#postmortem
And Ryan looks like he's stuck in an actual zombie apocalypse
#roastmortem
Shane looks like a college professor who survives on caffeine, teaches art, and just got a divorce that cost him his kids
I would say a history teacher but yeah I also agree with art teacher.
I would say an occult studies teacher but art works too
@@catsare2cute943 I would say a sugar daddy but art works too.
Lol jk
caffeineandmemes SO ACCURATE LMFAO
Remus Lupin
Shane looking like he’s having flash backs talking about those tornado sirens
Sunny if you’re from Illinois, you do
Lol we woke up at like three in the morning a few months back to the sirens and three counties had to hide in their closets. My little sister was freaking out so bad
For the postmortem: as someone who lives literally like an hours drive away, can confirm Birmingham is a weird place and dutch witch spies from Nazi Germany shoved in a tree is not the weirdest thing that's happened there for sure
Accurate lol
I'd love to hear more of the weirder things that have happened
@@MrSnow-qn1ij Well, just off the top of my head a local quite well known comedian had the local mayor officially open his homes extension and garden.
@@db6680 and has now changed his name officially to hugo boss in support of a small brewery to spite hugo boss (original). king
@@zednott688 good point. Totally forgot that. He also ditched a parking ticket by claiming he had parked on the moon. Haha
Ryan: "it happened in Birmingham, England"
Me: maybe it was the peaky fookin blinders
10/10 comment
it wasn’t in birmingham it was in hugely which is next to stourbridge which is half hour from birmingham
@@benaitkens1390 the show is set in Birmingham so does it really matter
I dare someone to stay there overnight
I know the woods. I live 40 minutes away from Birmingham. I’ve been in that woods with my friends
They found a wedding ring so possibly she was married and no one reported her missing? Seems suspicious no?
Aundie Kutzkey are you CC Tinsley because that’s some remarkable attention to detail
Aundie Kutzkey OOOOOOOO
that's what I was thinking too. the whole episode I was waiting for details on the wedding ring but nothing...
her wedding ring was fake. so its ether she was a spy and pretending to be a married women or the person who married her gave her a fake ring because they didn't really care too much about her.
Queen bee or too poor to afford a good ring? idk
shane: "you think were not listening?"
us since forever: "D O T H E P E O P L E W H O D A N C E D U N T I L T H E Y D I E D"
he implied he's doing that on a Puppet History!
The dancing plague?
Exactly where my brain went
Do it!!!!
They can’t because that’s technically solved. It was a mass hysteria.
I'm surprised they didn't poke fun at:
"The boys promised never to speak of it again..."
"...The next day one of the boys told his father."
Same. I expected them to make fun of him.
what a snitch
...is nobody gonna talk about how nice Ryan looks in his lil bandana, with it matching his shirt and all?
Nope
Nu uh
😍
Petition to get Ryan's dad to do an unsolved episode involving dental records that helped solve a case, just to brag to Ryan.
Signed.
I too am signing.
Signed.
Rowena Scott they both left , but what does that have to do with anything? not being mean just curious
GUYS WTF MAKE THIS TOP COMMENT
Ryan's understanding of anatomy makes him sound a bit hair-brained.
😂😂
“This is the episode called Ryan knows nothing about human PHYSIOLOGY”
It's funny how Ryan knows nothing about science. The fact that he said "This episode is called Ryan knows nothing about PHYSIOLOGY" when in fact, he talked about parts it should've been anatomy *(anatomy is to parts; physiology is to function)*
yes
You're too funny 😂
Ryan
“hair grows from your skull right?”
Also Ryan
“Bones stay linked together don’t they...”
I’m a 18 year old biology student and I’m scared for you Ryan
I love you
All Hail The Watcher!
@@eva-gj6zi Hair grows in China and then is glued on at night by golbins and so basically it's a illusion that hair grows from the head when it's just wigs that grow a milometer from each night based on the previous night and bones are held together by wood screw
@@damienhartley3222 haha! lol
Also, thinking that once rigor mortis sets in -- that's it, the body can't move until it's decomposed
"Does hair grow out of the skull?" - Ryan Bergara; son of a dentist
shane: 80s history teacher, interested in radio, old machines and leonardo da vinci, amateur detective
ryan: gym teacher, conspiracy theories stoner, goes to concerts, has a soft spot for losers
YES
YES
YES
Taeyashi Park YES
Spectre YES
Fun fact: when you mentioned Ryan's idea of a sky burial where Shane's body gets yote out of a plane, someone nearly died due to a falling body once. The body was that of a stowaway on a plane, whose body fell out of the landing gear compartment when the plane went for landing. If I remember right it landed mere feet away from some guy minding his business outside his house. So, yeet your bodies responsibly, kids. #postmortem
oh my god imagine finding that
“And how’d you come across the body, sir?”
“I swear it just fell out of the sky! It nearly killed me!”
“....... yeah we’re going to need you to head down to the station for a few more questions”
*Did you use "yeet" in past tense?*
The body was of a kenyan refugee. The man was British and was spending the afternoon relaxing in the garden trying to get a tan. The body landed a meter away from him.
I thought you were going to talk about Hunter S Thompson's Sky Burial.
Legend has it his body was shot from a rocket.
Shane and Ryan look like divorced dads from an unsuccessful rock band who decided to start a detective agency in this episode.
Hair growing through skull-
I see why Ryan is always scared, the way he sees the world is terrifying af!!
lol
Why is no one bringing up the Shane’s “like God shot me out of a gun” quote?!
Interloper * 💀💀
Interloper * no i just found it funny that’s all
@@vormund1011 it pretty much means that's cold....but true
As a human biologist and anatomist, this episode physically hurt me. “Does the hair grow through the skull” and “Do the bones stay together” will haunt me forever. Also what shape do you think the femur is to enable it to be a decent boomerang!?
All you have to do is bend the bone silly
Benchwarmers Podcast I cant🤣
@@franktheblindpup297 its a joke
I cringed and laughed at the same things. They kill me.
Benchwarmers Podcast of course, I can’t believe I didn’t think of that. Should hand my degree back, I’ve clearly learnt nothing of use :)
shane: you live in a quiet town-
...shane, birmingham is one of the biggest cities in the uk
Yeah, Birming*stan* has around 1 million people 😂
Man i knew that but as soon as anyone says "old days" and "looking for eggs in the woods" everything else is out the window
Also with a long history or organised crime and murders
Was it that big in world war ll, though? It would be a large bit smaller at that time, although being rather large now
I have nothing to back this up, but I feel like not a lot was going on in the 1940s. Poor guy was just bored
Really makes me uncomfortable how Americans pronounce the 'ham' in Birmingham
In the UK we sort of pretend the H isn't there, like 'Birmingum'
Can also confirm that people in the UK absolutely would stuff their friends in a tree if they get too drunk
Damn brits!
See most people in my area would just do it to see if they fit and then probably forget about it
It's just how we are taught too pronounce it.
In my town (in America) we pronounce it “Birming-am”
same, "ham" was soo odd to hear
Ryan is looking like the jock who skipped every science class and now has no clue how the human body works
Meanwhile, Shane is looking like a divorced history teacher who secretly puts alcohol in his coffee cup
@@theirishninjasanimations 😂😂😂😂
TheIrishninjas Shane looks like your uncle who is going through a mid-life crisis then divorced your aunt for a 23 year old and then married but the 23 year old (Jane) divorced him and took all of his money now he lives in your basement after your mom took pity of him but now your dad and mother argue every night because your dad doesn’t want him in the house.
@@goosefromacnh7122 Oddly specific. Here, take a like
Kristina H might be true with the way Ryan was trying describe hair coming out of bone
Shane saying “nothing exciting is happening” when this case was literally during WW2 ...
tilly eh but that’s not exciting...💀
he's also implying that Birmingham is a boring place where nothing happens. it could be, have no clue, never been but still poor Birmingham
Scotland Ball Birmingham has one of the highest crime rates in England lol it has a v bad rep
Shane looks like he's transforming himself into an actual detective #postmortem
I was thinking hes looking like a typical 80s chicago cop. Just needs the gut.
He's evolving
Ya and Ryan looks like his partner from another time period
He so does 😂
Meanwhile Ryans turning into a sushi chef 😂🍙
Uhm I can answer the hair/skull question as to why sometimes a skull without flesh has hair. As the flesh that hold those hair follicles decays, there are very particular circumstances involving humidity, soil acidity, etc that can cause the decayed flesh to almost become like a glue of sorts. The flesh has shrunk as it dried and decayed and leaves a layer so thin sometimes it’s almost non-existent (so the hair easily falls off if not handled properly), and this layer ‘glues’ the hair to the skull. It’s always very delicate tho as the bond is very weak, and the hair will dislodge from the skull of not handled with extreme caution.
Thanks, we appreciate your expertise
I'm glad someone explained this. Hair is also more resistant to decay than flesh and other tissue, I believe.
Inevitable Decay you are absolutely correct. In the correct conditions hair can last for insanely long periods. Many remains around the world have been found with almost full heads of hair.
“Just put me in a canon and shoot me to the sun”
“Like god shot me out of a gun”
Honestly, this is the only reason I’m surviving quarantine.
these are tally hall lyrics
Shane and Ryan give off “beloved history teacher and his favorite jock student years after graduation who still hang out” energy
That’s oddly specific. But agreed. 🤣
Lol 😂, you should really see Shane do puppet history on their channel Watcher
I'm convinced the boys are going through a shared mental breakdown.
Miss Sunshine when are they not
"Folie a deux"-style?
They share the same brain cell 😂
Like the people that danced to death in France!😂
I think they just found some really good maryjane lol
Can we talk about the fact that her SKULL (along with the shoe and I think some other items but no other bones) were found in the elm tree is depended on way too much in each theory? They already mentioned that they found the other bones in different places, possibly by animals and critters. So why is it everyone immediately went "her body was stuffed in the tree" when isnt it WAY more possible her SKULL and other things were just dragged by a critter or animal who deemed that a good home/hiding spot??? I honestly don't believe that she was put in the witch elm if there was literally no other evidence then the fact they found her skull but no other body parts in it, it seems more plausible she was killed somewhere else in the forest and that is just where the skull happened to end up. Of course there's still a possibility she was stuck into the tree, but I wish it wasn't made complete fact.
i think there were other bones in the tree, otherwise they wouldve assumed the same thing u said. Pretty sure the layout of her hones and her clothing in the tree made sense for someone who was shoved in a tree and had some bones/items dragged out. I thinkt hey just couldn't get all the bones out of the tree, so they mostly had to rely on bones found nearby and what they could reach
@@glitchxmars7415 yes, to me her clothes being found in the tree made it seem likely that she was put into the tree. Also, depending on how long she was there, maybe the tree grew so that it looked more like she was "inside" it, if that makes sense?
As someone originally from near Hagley Wood, it is very unlikely for a body to lay out in that forest for 18 months without being found. Is it like somewhere people go all the time? No, but people go about it often and for her to have been out there for a prolonged period of time, long enough to skeletonise, without her being found, her body would HAVE to be concealed. Similarly, the taffeta stuffed in her mouth would likely have been taken out of nesting animals had moved the bones around, since this would’ve been something useful for it. It’s far more likely that her body was concealed in the tree at some point, given the circumstances.
@@hkazu63 I don't even remember writing this comment lol, thanks for the call back
@@lunarlove9674 well could you delete or edit it so people don't think this could be the case
#postmortem the fact that her bones “went missing” makes me feel like she’s a spy even more. What’s more spy like than disappearing after you’ve already died and disappeared once
I think it's more to do with the general ineptitude and indifference of the local police.
@@timeladyshayde honestly was there a fire or smth??? HOW DO YOU LOSE THE ONLY RELIABLE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE IN A CASE? and like.... there's a lot of bones in a skeleton and you lost them ALL????
@@ositaiza888 The case went cold, they put the skeleton in a box on a shelf somewhere and in the last 70 years police forces have been merged, split, moved to different headquarters etc. If they assumed she was a local prostitute I doubt they would have been terribly worried about solving the case. Police don't care about murdered working girls, especially in the middle of a war.
timeladyshayde I agree, but it adds to the mystery of the story, and with something that was so obviously cared about by the people surrounded by the case, it seems odd that the remains would just go missing
Shane got so serious when talking about the tornados and I got scared.
Cherry Pie omg is that why he says wind?
“Who put Bella in the wych elm” sounds like an old 1940s jazz song that your grandparents would dance to
"Bella in the Wych Elm" sounds like a song I would have learned at one of my banjo lessons
Jacob Schall 😂
ryan and shane arguing about the starting point of hair is peak level of chaos and i’m very much here for it
I was brought up near Hagley and the woods there are remote from any nearby small towns, you could scream your lungs out there and its unlikely anyone would hear you. The graffiti reappeared in the 1970's and scared the hell out of the kids in the area for a while.
"you strike me as a cremated kind of guy" is a crazy sentence
Line Lundager I mean my plans for my body are quite weird. I’ve said “Set me on fire and cremate me, then split my ashes up and turn some into a diamond and the rest into the base of an eternal coral reef” more times than I can count
@@eaglesc that's so cool, I just want my ashes to go into one of those tree urns things
Line Lundager yeah, I just learned about it a few years ago. I was like “I may be 14 but I have my mind made!”
Being someone that lives literally 5 minutes down the road from this stories location, it gave me chills to hear you name my town and pronounce it pretty accurately, also, the paper my father worked at (e&s) and then thirdly mention the name Clara (my nan named her car Clara). It's a very well known case even now and people still leave graffiti asking the same question. I have images of the area I can send if you'd like to use them in the post mortem!! Obviously, loved this episode!!! #postmortem
You should put #postmortem on your comment so they'll see it
@@storycox2412 cheers. Such a noob haha
The Booch 🤭
I’m from Wolverhampton and it was so strange hearing that read out haha!
@John Greenfield I bet! It's a proper local legend around here. There's an obelisk on top of the hill where it happened that is fenced off to try to stop people graffiting it. Needless to say it fails.
The unbelief that Shane and I, a biologist, share as Ryan explains that hair is attached to a skull is UNREAL
@Joy Back it’s an accepted word in the dictionary. Sounds like someone should educate themselves🙂
@@kashu6310 what word was it?
@@emiliajosephine3616probably unbelief
2:23 Shane really calls a skeleton a funny bone man when he's here looking like slender man's alcoholic son
Oooooh, roasted!
#roastmortem
BOOM💥
#roastmortem
#roastmortem
Shane looks like an overworked detective while Ryan just looks like one of those frat dads who loves to go to concerts and say "YOOO!" and "BROOOOO" Alot.
new buddy cop movie concept!!
THAT IS NOW A FANFICTION TROPE
@ari • ult stay I- sounds accurate
Or in this case, 'Zoink!'
I saw a comment saying that Shane looks a little like Remus Lupin from Harry Potter, and I can’t unsee it
why is Shane dressed as a divorced history teacher with questionable liquids in his coffee cup
That's oddly specific
Renz_Gacha 😳
@@gianna544 FBI OPEN UP
Mr. Grim has entered the chat
Actually wait nevermind he slept with like 3 students when they turned 18 and I don't wanna compare Shane to him
Ryan: "Who put Bella in Wych Elm?"
Shane: "Me!"
There we have it, Case Solved. We got him now boys.
Get him, boys.
He also bears a striking resemblance to DB Cooper
uh.... did you not say Una Mossop wrote “the person responsible died insane in 1942” and that Jack Mossop, who had nightmares about “Bella”, died in a mental hospital before the remains were found - and they were found in 1943... sounds like she was confessing her husbands murder #postmortem
Katherine though Clara also apparently died in 1942 in a hospital in Berlin so... 🤷🏻♀️
yeah but they estimated she died 18 months before her body was found
Yes she wasn’t trying to hide that. She either made it up or believed her husband did it
the hospital report could of have been faked to cover up the fact she was now in England spying
Post-mortem: Maybe she was just chillin in the woods and thought “I wonder if I can fit in that tree” then got stuck in there. The problem with this and the drunk theory is that surely you would want to survive even if it meant hurting yourself in the process. Also I live 30 mins away from hagley woods so if needed I could visit and do my own car headlight hypnosis to see if I can crack it? #postmortem
(Edit: I added a hashtag for some reason)
do it. please do it
Kamalika Bose maybe I will once this whole thing has blown over ...
LMAO do that... for sure
mrpickles that’s what I was thinking. I feel like with that level of panic, I’d break bones to get out.
mrpickles do it 😂
We really just going to ignore that Ryan said the word “bonerang”
“I’ll bequeef my bones to someone else”😂
rigor mortis isn’t permanent, after the stiffness, the body gets loose again. important to note imo
kartondergruene Yeah...I feel like for this show Ryan should spend maybe just like, one hour researching how human bodies work. Like, rigor mortis is more obscure but the hair thing??? And not knowing how bones work??? I’m both amused and concerned.
Why does Shane progressively look more and more like Edgar Allen Poe as this series goes on?
I have also had this thought. I
Exactly!
#postmortem
As a Brit, I can confirm that stuffing someone into a tree after they've passed out drunk as a prank is definitely something we would do. We have a classy sense of humour.
@John Greenfield I mean, in the South we'd do that to a child for a laugh.
One of the lads in my town was tied to a lamppost overnight when he got pissed
super classy putting someone in a tree where they couldn't get out and died. #roastmortem
Sophie Drewery I was about to say that 😂😂
I too can confirm this, I have woken up in an asda car park in a trolley before ✌🏻 top quality banter
interesting note about the guy at 18:40
"Lehrer" is actually the German word for teacher and was probably a codename
Ryan's style of the day: 80's all-American rocker boi tinkering with his car
Post Mortem : If she was the girlfriend - how does that explain her wedding ring? Also is there no way to trace the wedding ring?
But it was quite a simple one probably without engravings so probably not
Good point because they never talked about the ring.
If she was undercover as a married woman she'd probably have a nondescript ring
Millions of wedding rings are sold all over... rings dont generally have serial numbers unless they are super costly or custom designed... a normal gold band is about 40$ it wouldn't be traceable....lol
I made it 69 likes
Ryan looks like some guy who probably works at a little shop by the beach and Shane looks like a divorced history teacher who’s been through it and has run out of pills
Shane never fails to disappoint me during quarantine
I can 100 % agree
Shaneiacs roll out sendgod tiktok
Wait so he dissapoints you?
Wait, so he disappoints you every episode?
What, why???
This episode convinced me that Shane and Ryan are the Trixie and Katya of Crime. Especially the "Tornado-Take-Me" bit... Very Katya. Also Ryans knowledge of (or lack of) Biology is classic Trixie.
How- how does one lose an _entire_ skeleton, especially one belonging to a (probably) murdered woman whose case remains unsolved? A pretty famous case at that? How???
THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
Yeah that's really weird
People lose things, man. I once lost my textbook for six weeks, and didn't find it until someone else mentioned they'd seen it.
@@abigailmccarthy9982 a textbook is different from a skeleton tho
I think maybe it got lost cause it was in the middle of WW2.
“The one person who could give the answer is now beyond the jurisdiction of earthly courts.” I mean... 😭 the WORDING.
Another possibility: maybe it's her husband, she had her wedding ring, and don't you think if your wife disappeared, youd report it?
my fantastic nickname what if the ring hasn’t been on her ring finger though? Wearing a ring doesn’t necessarily mean you’re married too, and if Bella was a spy or illegal immigrant, she may have used it to create a more realistic story
@@T_1.5 that's fair, Its just an extra theory I threw out to start some conversation
Abusive partners distance their victims from their family for years. This was a man who killed his wife and stuffed her into the tree, then told everyone she divorced him. Thats it, that kind of murder happens every single day, and if you dont identify or find the body is almost impossible to solve.
@anonymous user they do have a point tho, we don't know what finger it was on, so technically she might not have been married at all, or even if she was, maybe shes widowed, or her husband is abroad for the war
Definitely the husband if she wasn't a spy.
Honestly, a place called "Haggley Wood" sounds like it would be haunted.
Hagley*
Y'all: Dentists seem to be useless in solving cases.
Y'all: *literally ONLY look at cases that are unsolved*
"Y'all"
COMRADE! are you from the South to?!?
@@tex8564 Yep, born and raised in South Texas.
@@PinkGrapefruit22 You've been here longer than i have, so, does it always rain here in S Texas? Since I moved here, that's all its done
@@tex8564 I use Yall a lot and I'm from West Virginia ..... I feel disappointed in myself 😂
@@orcus6803 Nothing Wrong with it, but from my experience it's just more common down South
I think maybe Clara (the tree lady) took the identity of the other Clara who died in Berlin. Easier than coming up with a whole new person for your spy persona. Or maybe the tree lady just looked similar to Clara and was killed out of suspicion that she was a spy.
Maybe Clara (tree lady) parachuted into the woods and idk, maybe either got stuck in a tree on the way down or was killed by another spy.
Or maybe the woman in the tree wasn’t even Clara, but a Dutch immigrant who was killed by people who thought she was a spy.
The bones later went missing, yeah? It can’t be too easy to just lose an entire skelly 💀 Maybe the people with custody of the bones were paid to discreetly dispose of them so there would be no incriminating evidence against whoever killed her.
Clara in the tree is 5' tall and Clara the singer was 6'
Ryan: why can't you make a crop circle crop circles are fun
Shane:crop circles are a lot of work
Kailie Gorospe I feel like Shane spent a portion of his teen years making crop circles
he's not wrong though.
When shane talked about an air burial i also pictured someone throwing his body out of a plane
Remy Bartels i pictured them jumping out with the casket or urn
Remy Bartels I pictured them like scattering his ashes out of a plane, but I like that idea better
That’s exactly what I pictured too
Shane looks like he belongs in the 70s as a rugged detective, he fits the profile of both a serial killer and detective. Ryan looks like he's just came back from the 80s with that attire, Ryan definitely fits the profile of a serial killer on heroin which is Shane's 'favourite'.
I feel bad for the young boys searching for food and accidentally finding a skeleton that would eventually become a case that will never be solved in history
This is the only thing keeping me sane during quarantine I swear
Sara rdr2 for me.
Agreed.
Sara preach it
Same here, Sara. Same here.
agreed
0:46 “Gimmie that before you hurt yourself!”
Awwwww Ryan!
Postmortem: why wasn’t anyone investigating the wedding ring found with her belongings ? And the police seemed to be more interested in catching the spray painter then solving the case. --Edit: I love watching the buzz feed unsolved videos, thank you for posting during all this chaos,,hope everybody stays safe and healthy. #postmortem
Why wasn't anyone regarding the wedding ring? What's that supposed to mean?
Numayam I think they mean why wasn’t anyone looking into the wedding ring. Like she may have had a husband
Hagley, Worcestershire is a regional town with only a population of 6,000 in 2016. Considering the lack of proper police investigative education at the time, as well as the fact that this was a small town, police probably saw more familiarity with graffiti cases than murder cases. Which is probably why, with a murder case going on, police thought that linking the graffiti with the murder was necessary.
The wedding ring coulda just been part of her disguise.
as in they tried to find a spouse and no records came up/no one came forward as knowing of a married woman who had gone missing.
for Post Mortem: calling Birmingham "rural england" is a crime guys
@THE TWO FINGERED BRUTE i know mate, i was referencing the video description!
#postmortem
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I’m the 666 like on a case like this.. lol
It's kind of the opposite really.