LCS & Americas Update for 2025 | The Dive Driven by Kia Q&A

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
  • LCS Commissioner Mark Zimmerman drops by The Dive to answer community questions and discuss the 2025 changes with Azael, Kobe, and Meteos.
    For more information on the 2025 updates, visit: lolesports.com/article/lol-es...
    Timestamps:
    0:00 - Intro & LCS changes
    2:59 - Why are these changes happening?
    6:02 - Why are these changes happening now?
    9:06 - Why is it not a competition for all the slots?
    11:54 - Who is leaving the LCS?
    13:00 - League composition & Tier 2 questions
    18:33 - Player Protection
    19:13 - Guest Spot - What happens if they win big? / questions
    22:34 - Franchising, protections, and performance clauses
    25:13 - LATAM questions
    27:30 - Is the LCS keeping its brand?
    30:07 - How much change is too much change?
    32:51 - Are we keeping live patch play?
    33:53 - CBLOL & LLA ecosystem discussion
    38:47 - Cross-conference plans?
    40:12 - How long will next season’s splits be?
    43:53 - Fatigue and LCS history
    47:20 - Broadcasting updates
    50:47 - Regions and conferences: fandom, camaraderie, and obstacles
    55:43 - What should fans be excited about?
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  • @hideinbush0
    @hideinbush0 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +585

    Mark is a breath of fresh air for LCS commish. Wtf were all the past commishes doing before him. Mark's experience as previous coach, analyst, on desk talent, hotline league and passion really shows. If anyone can revive LCS it's him.

    • @mrbubbles188
      @mrbubbles188 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      mark doesn't have the power to stop or be the deciding factor with any of these changes. none of the other commissioners have either. mark doesn't have any actual employees under him. That lack of power that's given to John Needham/previously Chris Greely and other faceless riot execs. I think all of the other commissioners besides Jackie and Mark were pretty terrible.
      That being said I do think Mark is doing the absolute best with what he's got and if he were more empowered to bring change he could probably make the LCS a stable, solid product. You see that manifest in getting bo3s and the general positivity in last split (honestly last couple) with the broadcast. Whoever the fuck keeps putting finals on Easter needs to be kicked out of the kitchen

    • @connordeyoung6108
      @connordeyoung6108 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Sadly the LCS is already dead from the merger. I feel like he wasn't given enough time to save it

    • @rynejones8513
      @rynejones8513 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Fresh air? He is just the riot mouthpiece for all the shit they are feeding you. League is dying outside of CN, KR, EU. That's the reality that they don't want you to see.

    • @jal-kx6tm
      @jal-kx6tm 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@connordeyoung6108 he probably got the job in the first place because they were like fuck it, whole thing's going to die in a bit anyway.

    • @rebornthanos
      @rebornthanos 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Everyone likes Mark the problem is the people in his role adhere to the suits behind the scene. He won't himself be able to revive lcs since franchising is the direct cause of it's downfall. The players stopped caring when they no longer had their own way into the lcs, the audience stopped caring when the teams stopped behind competitive since no one was able to kick the bad teams out making the region less competitive year by year, and the sponsors stopped caring when the audience left which is where we are now in which they are trying to combine regions for viewer numbers for american sponsors. The league will need to crash before it can grow once again.

  • @useless9715
    @useless9715 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +333

    having mark really makes you wonder what the previous commish were doing

    • @mrbubbles188
      @mrbubbles188 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      makes you wonder what the fuck we've been doing the last 10 years honestly LMAO

    • @GachaJay
      @GachaJay 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      The last commish took us to week days.
      There was a period without a commish.
      The one before that took us to franchising.
      The commish before that took us to Bo3 on two streams.
      The ones before that didn’t really have any authority.

    • @rebornthanos
      @rebornthanos 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Mark is a good at his role and we all like mark but he is a figurehead for the suits behind the scene. Everyone knows franchising was the point in which the league started going down hill and unfortunately the exact changes needed to set this region on the right path again is the one they won't take until everything has completely crashed which we are near to.

    • @tylerkay825
      @tylerkay825 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not really. I KNOW they haven't been doing shit so it doesn't really leave me wondering about anything

    • @useless9715
      @useless9715 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@rebornthanos hes not hes said publicly that most of the LCS changes were his idea live patch prerecorded draft etc

  • @thothrax5621
    @thothrax5621 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +211

    Riot needs Mark to provide context for all their pro-play decisions going forward, he's one of the very few people there that actually makes me feel like they know what they're doing. He single handedly turned me from thinking this was going to be a disaster, to actually being kinda excited for the changes.

  • @BenCrouse15
    @BenCrouse15 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +81

    We better not lose the lcs theme song. It’s so hype.

    • @barisaxawyeah
      @barisaxawyeah 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Second this - Mark don't let that one go!

    • @MattGottaHat
      @MattGottaHat 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      🎶 The northern conference dududu 🎶

  • @jalenlloyd2467
    @jalenlloyd2467 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +125

    I...just wanna give Mark a big fucking hug. He's actually the goat. Im genuinely so satisfied with the answers he gave that i quite literally cant think of anymore questions to ask.

  • @Kurioms
    @Kurioms 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

    Mark continually reinforces my happiness/excitement of him being the commissioner

  • @DBasedAlex
    @DBasedAlex 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    I really appreciate Azael bringing up a lot of long term concerns with the new format. Honestly having more than 1 rotating team and letting the best performing one keep their spot would plug a lot of the holes

  • @windsweptspy
    @windsweptspy 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Before watching the entire video, the section "why are these changes happening?" really made sense when the focus is on global changes in how they distribute money to teams.

  • @Rickyp555
    @Rickyp555 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    that LRP to GRP change is by far the biggest change in esports history

    • @nicklee5940
      @nicklee5940 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Can you explain this? I kinda missed it

  • @DeRang3rMan
    @DeRang3rMan 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

    This also helps t2 orgs like DSG that wanted to move up but couldn't. Unless they spent millions of dollars to buy out a slot. Which is really cool actually

  • @candulgames9850
    @candulgames9850 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +176

    People need to read between the lines: this is not a choice between this change and the LCS of the past. It's an adapt or die situation.

    • @agustinblanco4168
      @agustinblanco4168 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Money is running out, changes need to be made

    • @rynejones8513
      @rynejones8513 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Then we die. I will not watch LoL next year. It was fun while it lasted.

    • @Vax_XXIV
      @Vax_XXIV 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      @@rynejones8513 why?

    • @rebornthanos
      @rebornthanos 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Of course it's utilizing brazilian viewership for American sponsors since the people who took Na from a diamond mine and turned it into a dirt hill are scrambling to hold on to the little power they have left after destroying the league, now they are using brazil to leach and hold on.

    • @ObiWanShinobi917
      @ObiWanShinobi917 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@rynejones8513good riddance you won't be missed.

  • @r0flcopter
    @r0flcopter 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    One thing I really appreciated was how the Dive analysts didn't hold back at all. Of course they were respectful and understood that there were many more factors at play besides just Mark making all the decisions by himself but they asked and said exactly the concerns that were on their mind.

  • @TheNachris720
    @TheNachris720 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Mark Z seems to be performing well as commissioner. Truly enjoy the insight.

  • @mrdubtee1873
    @mrdubtee1873 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Mark is crushing it, and I hope he feels the love from the community. Genuinely appreciate his contributions, transparency, as well as actual passion for the sport/game.

  • @nico77212
    @nico77212 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    All I'm excited for Is the fearless draft! People complain about using the same champs? Here we go!

  • @ComaDoseGo
    @ComaDoseGo 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    dammit, even as a markz fan I came into this hoping to catch him saying something stupid but he was so articulate and correct about everything how am i supposed to comment on that.

  • @Dman42997
    @Dman42997 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    Okay if ALL the major regions are getting 3 slots to worlds I'm not too mad about LCS losing a spot. That's a bunch of minor regions cut out

    • @claysmith8840
      @claysmith8840 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      yeah i feel the most bad for the LLA who are basically getting cut down to 2 tier 1 teams, one north one south. Hopefully they are still able to have a tier 2 league of their own

    • @diaperamess
      @diaperamess 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      plus we only ever have one team who does decent anyway

    • @Acklon
      @Acklon 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@claysmith8840 This does condense the handful of top tier players from that region to actually get on teams that may get more international experience. No offense intended to LLA, but they would just get bodied internationally when they sent their 1 seed. North and South conferences can now have more compact and talented teams.
      Many of us can agree that many LCS, CBLOL and LLA teams were just always crap and doomed the maybe 1 guy who was actually good on those teams.

    • @fullmetal929
      @fullmetal929 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@claysmith8840 Idk how much this would help, but they should extend them an invitation to join the tier 2 league. I know they have the partnership stuff they just started, but I feel like they should get a better deal because they've already invested and existed in the ecosystem for so long. They obviously don't have to take the offer, but if some did, it would bolster NACL (or whatever it's called now), give LLA fans the ability to still watch their team, and allow those players and teams the ability to play with the chance of making it into a tier 1 league if they play well. Idk, maybe there's something I'm not thinking about, but it just seems like a win-win-win situation to me. Not to mention, NACL is remote already anyway; Mexico city is about the same distance from Chicago as LA is.

    • @hardlo7146
      @hardlo7146 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Korea, China, and Europe still get 3, NA can only get 2, 1 if they really fuck up and the LLA team beats them in the Northern Conference. It's not the same.

  • @kittykisses2257
    @kittykisses2257 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +55

    Mark #1 best commish

  • @PhyrexianPraetor
    @PhyrexianPraetor 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +70

    people not understanding that this was mainly an econonic decision is lowkey driving me crazy. I'll wait to judge the how its going til we get there, this is such a massive change that it's not gonna be possible to judge how well its working until we've seen a full season.

    • @CB38096
      @CB38096 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Ah yes dropping a 500$ ahri skin and then shrinking leagues for Econ reasons is rich.. seems more greed focused. “Let’s make sure our salaries are growing bigly”

    • @PhyrexianPraetor
      @PhyrexianPraetor 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CB38096 $500 dollars for the premium, bragging rights version of the skin, which looks ridiculous over here and will get you laughed at in game (deservedly) but something that the chinese market players love as a flex and will make money. Obviously its greed focused, corporations don't make any other decision; but burning good will just to burn it doesn't make you money in the long run. This is a totally different discussion than what the league's gonna look like though lol

    • @pretentiousfly
      @pretentiousfly 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Competitive LOL has been in an economic decline for years. The bubble already popped and if MarkZ didn't push for changes the whole scene would be gone in 2-3 years. Yeah there is some good and bad here, but this is how we save the league

    • @Jack-iu5um
      @Jack-iu5um 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

      @@CB38096I mean it’s not hard to understand that having 40+ teams that do absolutely nothing in their own leagues is not sustainable

    • @Galandwood32
      @Galandwood32 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Jack-iu5um I think it's pretty sustainable when you're charging $500 for a skin 🤣

  • @mattbullard6493
    @mattbullard6493 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Nah you can’t be teasing me with this short dive episode I need moreeeee

  • @lewtx2283
    @lewtx2283 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Cautiously optimistic should be the approach for fans of this regions imo.
    Liking what I'm hearing as an LCK fan but have to see how they handle it.

    • @xiaoliu7071
      @xiaoliu7071 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nah LCS is dead. No one wants this, not CBLOL, not LCS, not LATAM

    • @Daceywan
      @Daceywan 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@xiaoliu7071 doomer

    • @Daceywan
      @Daceywan 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I've watched since s1 and I'm excited for these changes!

  • @HearthDadHS
    @HearthDadHS 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +62

    Actually a massive fan of the change - from a format perspective this is really cool. Not too torn up about the lack of slots for LCS - hopefully this will REALLY drive the best possible rosters together so that the 1 team we do send ends up being worthwhile.

    • @rebornthanos
      @rebornthanos 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's sad that the change is to bring in brazils viewership for american sponsors. Since the people who got to control this league since franchising turned it from a diamond mine into a dirt hill with the worst level management of a league basically of all time. They somehow made something that could not fail into something that has little to no chance to succeed.

    • @ObiWanShinobi917
      @ObiWanShinobi917 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@rebornthanosokay gloomer

    • @Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj
      @Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Yeah the loss of 1-2 worlds slots and 1 MSI slot is so overblown. The teams we send all get smashed regardless, basically nothing changes. If we lose to Brazil for the third worlds spot then we would have gotten smashed even harder by Asia. These changes all help domestic play which is the priority.

    • @rebornthanos
      @rebornthanos 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ObiWanShinobi917 Yeah I've only been around since the beginning. If you were there when this region was absolutely massive and flourishing you would understand what was lost through franchising not to mention what this region would have become if not for corporate greed and control.

    • @claysmith8840
      @claysmith8840 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@rebornthanos i agree that the region has fallen in recent years and franchising had a lot to do with that, but many of these changes seem meant to reverse course and go back to what works

  • @JustRyalst
    @JustRyalst 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Continually impressed by Mark as the commish, and it shows the team supporting him, and those working with him do an incredible job so he can be so well-informed for public facing events. Kudos.

  • @Dman42997
    @Dman42997 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    They really should make team specific skins for regional team winners, that would raise SO much money for teams and raise the incentives to win. Even just the MVP of the winning team would be fine, since Riot probably doesn't want to make 25 skins per year

    • @kashtrey
      @kashtrey 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If they had any data that supported it could make money they would’ve done so already. Aside from some huge regional stars that are well known globally I.e. Caps for EU or DL for NA; the market is going to be way too niche.

    • @joshdolan7822
      @joshdolan7822 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@kashtrey go back in the day when call of duty league was actually watchable. I would imagine back in Advanced Warfare days when they started the team skins. They sold a boat load of skins that you could use on your exo skin and weapons. The downside is I don't remember if the teams actually earned any money from it but I know it was quite profitable for them.

    • @kashtrey
      @kashtrey 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@joshdolan7822 those skins are so low effort and just palette swaps with logos. That would never be a good revenue stream for league. It would sell probably just as well as the team logo emotes.

    • @x8thSinx
      @x8thSinx 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      the overwatch league kind of did that, just like.. a base skin for each character that basically had a recolour for each team. wouldn't work so well with leagues 100+ characters though.

  • @eargandonaa
    @eargandonaa 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I'm down to every change that help competitive League to keeps on going, been a fan since start, i love watching lol matchs and events! so i just hopes this really works!

  • @Lendul
    @Lendul 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I just hope things finally become truly stable.

  • @OUTLANDERau
    @OUTLANDERau 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Hey @LCS,
    Markz is killing it with these updates, how open he is, the details he can give. He KNOWS what is going on and shares as much as he can without the feel of "Corporate Slug".
    This is the kind of person LCS needed, and LoL Esports could definitely benefit from more MarkZ (President of Esports when?)

  • @mustard9933
    @mustard9933 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Very exciting to have different formats across splits. I hope for one of the later split formats they bring back swiss bracket bo3 like 2023 worlds. That format brought so many close matchups.

  • @Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj
    @Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Really liking adding that third import slot for "Americas" players. Its a nice balance between maintaining regional identity while still allowing movement between the north and south conferences.

    • @nickmajora
      @nickmajora 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Is there somewhere the new import slot rules are laid out because I don't understand how it works now between LCS, LLA and CBLOL?

    • @Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj
      @Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@nickmajora I don't think its laid out officially anywhere, but MarkZ talked about it on the Dive. There are the 2 regular import slots that you are used to, but they are adding a third import slot called the "Americas Import slot" that can only be used by a player from the opposing Americas conference. The only limitation on these rules is you cannot have 3 americas players from the opposing division (A brazil team using all 3 imports on NA players isnt allowed for example, the maximum allowed is 2).
      LATAM players are considered residents in both the north and south conference, so no need to use an import slot on any of these players.

    • @nickmajora
      @nickmajora 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj Thanks for the explanation. So what you're saying is an NA team could have two Koreans, a Brazilian and two NA players (or even two LLA players instead of NA players)?

    • @Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj
      @Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@nickmajora Yes exactly. An NA team can do their usual 2 Koreans but now they can add a top Brazilian player too and then they only have 2 NA players. An NA org could technically do 5 LATAM players if they wanted, but doubtful that there are that many quality players from that region. We also still have the green card rule where anyone that becomes a US citizen is a resident so you can really have more “imports” that way as well. Nothing is set in stone, but this is how I understand the new import rule as of now. They will officially announce it at some point.

  • @urapooper362
    @urapooper362 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'll be honest maybe my age is getting to me but Mark really addressed my fears and calmed some of the building negative feelings about the changes.

  • @CaptainLanky26
    @CaptainLanky26 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I will say I would really love an English cast for CBLOL, similar to how we have one for LCK and LPL. I'm sure the viewer payoff would be low at first but I think it would help build "Americas" unity.

    • @jalc884
      @jalc884 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Totally agree, maybe costreamers could help with this!

    • @viniciuszanchetta6217
      @viniciuszanchetta6217 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There is the cblolenglish twitch channel, they started it last year 👍🏼

  • @RocoPwnage
    @RocoPwnage 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    MarkZ is doing miracle work as commissioner. This new system is very strange but you can tell a lot of thought and care went into it. I think this is the best possible path forward for the LCS.

  • @Dakk
    @Dakk 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    "Is the LCK fourth seed better than this...?"
    Deft and Co. made a statement there.

    • @georgeperdis2750
      @georgeperdis2750 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      LCK 8th seed would be competitive in LCS...

    • @claysmith8840
      @claysmith8840 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@georgeperdis2750 eh our best teams are definitely better than the lck's worst, if you dropped NS in NA right now theyd probably be middle of the pack

    • @11DaltonB
      @11DaltonB 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@georgeperdis2750I mean there’s always usually 1 game or series that a random NA team takes off of a Korean team (usually C9 in the past), and that would be their 3rd or 4th seed. Hell if anything they’ve been looking better. Sure TL lost to T1 but it was a lot more competitive than teams have been in the past. And T1 are the defending world champs not a random 10-7th place team.

    • @hardlo7146
      @hardlo7146 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm pretty sure they'll still have a fourth seed, since the top 2 regions at MSI will get an extra seed AFAIK.

    • @hardlo7146
      @hardlo7146 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@11DaltonB Shows you haven't really watched much LCK. This is the most beatable T1 has ever looked. It wasn't really TL stepping up, but T1 massively underperforming.

  • @Relle-25
    @Relle-25 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Thankful Mark is at least getting in front of this and addressing it. I’m old enough to remember the move to weekdays with no explanation as to why and the following doomer opinions that formed after. Could definitely see something similar happening here if he and the LCS didn’t explain the reasoning behind this move at all

    • @driccy
      @driccy 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I'm also old enough to remember last year.

    • @nubraskan
      @nubraskan 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@driccyXD. Like bruh I'm old enough to remember concerns over moving to franchising and I'm not even OG.

  • @exoticbubble1598
    @exoticbubble1598 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Massive props to Mark for all that he's done as commish, especially considering he's only been here for a bit over a split. But my only question is why is each America region only 8 teams? Having 8 total teams and only 1 LLA team per region feels a bit cramped, surely each region could fit at least 10 teams right?

  • @franciscomac211
    @franciscomac211 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Azael grilling MarkZ and MarkZ providing answers. Love it.

  • @BillyWinchester
    @BillyWinchester 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I appreciate Mark coming to the Dive and being transparent

  • @chriszak31
    @chriszak31 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    For all the talk about CBLOL being an unknown - if you've ever watched CBLOL games within their own division, it is some of the craziest, most entertaining games. Including the broadcast. I'm not mad we're getting more exposure to a division with real personality. Their ability to perform internationally is completely different, but regionally, CBLOL is a gem.

    • @hughy897
      @hughy897 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you. Vampetaso is comming

    • @AventurasNoJapao
      @AventurasNoJapao 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Vampetaso

  • @MamoswineMain
    @MamoswineMain 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have so much faith in Mark. Like he seems like someone SO genuine just trying to make the best out of all the politics of the system WHILE bridging the gap in communication to fans. I know it's a lot of changes coming up, but I have faith in his long term vision and if it takes us some crazy places along the way, I'm here for it.

  • @connordeyoung6108
    @connordeyoung6108 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Mark speaks so fast hahah, i thought I had my video on 1.5 speed

    • @metalheadofmordor9169
      @metalheadofmordor9169 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You are just slow.

    • @connordeyoung6108
      @connordeyoung6108 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@metalheadofmordor9169 relax bro, it was a joke

    • @Acklon
      @Acklon 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They were working really hard to not have a 3 hour podcast xD

  • @gannonmcdonald573
    @gannonmcdonald573 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

    Damn I’ve never been this early to the dive

    • @dylonayers7032
      @dylonayers7032 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Just thinking this

  • @CB38096
    @CB38096 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +88

    LLA and CBLOL literally got eliminated as fast as possible at MSI…

    • @EJRWatkins
      @EJRWatkins 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Shhhhhhh you're not supposed to point this out.

    • @eric4892
      @eric4892 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It’s a proposal. They need approval from the franchises here first. They could all refuse to be bought out.

    • @BrontesBC
      @BrontesBC 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      And yet CBLOL has more viewers than LCS... almost like being successful internationally doesn't equal being profitable...

    • @poppinov8797
      @poppinov8797 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@BrontesBC the truth of the matter is that the earning power of fans in CBLOL is lower, they're on laptops or older PCs. they're FORCED to keep playing league because its a game you can run on low specs. NA market has better computers and has moved on to other games.
      that's the real reason CBLOL has more viewership. the fans can't play other games bc their computers aren't good enough.

    • @Nytrolizer
      @Nytrolizer 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@eric4892 as interesting as that would be, they will almost certainly find 4 teams willing to take the fat check.

  • @nickrandazzo5249
    @nickrandazzo5249 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    If impact wins next three splits, and you change the name from lcs, graphic can say 6 time lcs champ 3 time north conference champ

  • @CinemaSteve
    @CinemaSteve 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s crazy when the commissioner doesn’t give PR only answers. He definitely redirects the questions he can’t answer, but he does it in a way to still give information and not to shut down the question. Mark is the best thing to happen to the LCS.

  • @TheFoxStalksHisPrey
    @TheFoxStalksHisPrey 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mark surpasses my expectations every time. This guy is an impressively effective communicator.

  • @switchbackk8823
    @switchbackk8823 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Oh snap its the GOAT COMMISSIONER MARKZ

  • @escobarisanoctopus
    @escobarisanoctopus 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    So... on one hand, I'm glad to see some of these changes. I think some teams coasted (which makes 0 sense to me) in the LCS and never tried to improve and, even worse, some PLAYERS played just good enough to hold a spot. With spots decreasing, now is the time for players to step up, to make sure their spot is secured.
    On the other hand... I understand the CBLoL and LLAs frustrations. They've put so much into their region. Yes, they may not perform great internationally (like we can talk), but it's always about the regional experience for them and to lose some of that will be rough. I'm going to assume some of the bottom feeders in CBLoL are going away, which should help improve the quality of the product.
    There's good and bad here. I'm not as excited for 2025 as I was for 2024, but I think a lot of that comes down to which 2 LCS teams are going away.

  • @nickmajora
    @nickmajora 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Guest team slot from tier 2 is a great concept but it doesn't go far enough with only one team and one relegation the whole year. I'd remove another LCS slot and replace it with another Guest slot so that there's 2 Guest slots in the league. Then I'd have a relegation/promotion Bo5 each split between the winner of the tier 2 split and the worst performing Guest slot team. This'd allow greater opportunities for tier 2 teams to get into the league _and_ create an instant rivalry between the Guest slot teams leading to more hype matchups and a competition within a competition for those teams. (Great episode btw. Mark doing great.)

  • @aleckraynick5669
    @aleckraynick5669 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    mark is pretty good at talking. good person to have speaking on the behalf of your company.

  • @itorres008
    @itorres008 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It was a great move to speed up Mark to 1.5x to fit the show into an hour! 👍
    😉

  • @BB-pc2xi
    @BB-pc2xi 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    While my personal opinion may be tarnished a bit when I find out what teams will be leaving the scenes; talent being condensed and more cross-culture competition will hopefully make both leagues stronger and more importantly provide a more sustainable esports ecosystem. GRP should mean we also get to bank on the crazy whales in other regions to sustain the league of legends competition as a whole rather than just that specific league. (Assuming it actually does get invested back into the scene as said)

  • @itorres008
    @itorres008 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Meteos is such a bundle of energy and enthusiasm! 😄

    • @nickmajora
      @nickmajora 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And a man of few words.

  • @cedrichofstetter4057
    @cedrichofstetter4057 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Very big changes, but I think could be very exciting. I'm glad CBLOL will keep a lot of their identity even with the consolidation finally hitting them the way it has hit APAC and other regions with the number of overall teams being reduced. I would have been upset if the CBLOL and LCS had been made into 1, 10-team league or something. This feels like a good compromise, but time will tell

  • @carmencofano530
    @carmencofano530 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Mark = best commissioner yet

  • @zeronexgames9647
    @zeronexgames9647 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mark needs to be the PR person for Riot. This man makes SO much sense.

  • @TheRoonie222
    @TheRoonie222 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My thought on the tier 2 team that succeeds. Why don't we have two tutu teams that go up? Then the relegation can be for the worst performing tier 2 team while the better one gets assured safety for the following year

  • @ianwalker2259
    @ianwalker2259 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great episode!

  • @uhZerky
    @uhZerky 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I love you mark! Keep up the great work

  • @theultimatekehop
    @theultimatekehop 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I got to say, this is extremely exciting. I am fully on board with those changes and I really enjoy direct communication like Mark Z has been doing

  • @_Foxol
    @_Foxol 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm from latam and only really watch lcs for you guys, i'm down for getting invested in teams from my region and watching you talk about them

  • @j.e1806
    @j.e1806 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The guest spot is so cool I love this change

  • @julyfirstz
    @julyfirstz 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    THANK YOU MARK FOR THESE NEW CHANGES 🔥🔥🔥

  • @MrJeremybowling
    @MrJeremybowling 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First, I just want to say how much I appreciate Mark coming on this program and answering questions that could not have been easy to answer, and I appreciate his candor with it.
    I'd also like to ask or maybe say that it feels like CB LOL is having to sacrifice the most just to help a floundering LCS. Is this a correct opinion? Or maybe I just don't understand?

  • @Acklon
    @Acklon 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The conference structure (while a much older sport) slowly developed and succeeds in the NFL here in the US. I could definitely see the two conferences slowly build up and allow for even more cross play between conferences as more normal during splits rather than just islands before Internationals

  • @tannerdokey877
    @tannerdokey877 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really like the change, if anything, wouldn't this make our current teams more competitive in worlds? Players from other Americas wouldn't be considered an import, meaning more opportunities.

  • @462seb
    @462seb 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great show

  • @Moak19
    @Moak19 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What is going to stop the LLA team from becoming just another NA team one split later?

  • @janky2532
    @janky2532 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great explanations

  • @fool9
    @fool9 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Fearless is going to be so good for everything

  • @watermage25
    @watermage25 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like the changes overall. Hoping it leads to a more sustainable ecosystem. MarkZ is the best Commisioner

  • @apurplehippo8809
    @apurplehippo8809 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I, like mostly everyone else, want to thank Mark for doing this. My biggest problem is that I left with more questions than I came into this with. I appreciate the sentiment but Riot on both the LCS and Global scale have not had a great track record on delivering on their promises. There were a lot of half-baked ideas that didn’t have good answers. Fans need assurances when being asked to take such a large leap of faith. How will Riot ensure that the funds being parsed out from the GRP are going to the right places? This applies to the “guest” teams and other regions where infrastructure is lacking to actually give amateur players a fighting chance. What steps is Riot taking to ensure teams have properly managed coaching and internal affairs. Another issue is that LCS feels like they’re losing a lot because there is a lack of assurances that the Americas is being treated as a single region since there is a lack of cross pollination. Riot has shown that they prefer to pull back on travels and expenditures. How are we supposed to believe that the South and North are one region when historically Riot won’t shell out money to sponsor big events and are even making cutbacks locally in non-international events? I’m hopeful for these changes, I love the idea of having a growing story across the 3 splits and I will wait for answers but there do need to be answers.

  • @dienekes6420
    @dienekes6420 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dang, it seems MarkZ actually has a chance to win best commissioner divey award this split.

  • @user-uq2ko4jq2v
    @user-uq2ko4jq2v 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    these are the fresh changes LOL needed

  • @JonnyEsports
    @JonnyEsports 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm excited for TSM in LCS South, xD

  • @MrGetownedLP
    @MrGetownedLP 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Mark saving LCS

  • @Rivalryxx
    @Rivalryxx 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pplease give Meteos more moments to talk, I know you guys were the three amigos but Meteos is the goat and I see him in the corner being so quiet :(

  • @ApolloAlto
    @ApolloAlto 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In the scenario where a guest team wins the league or even does super well I imagine the standing orgs would be incentivized to try and buy those players/their entire roster.

  • @drwedin
    @drwedin 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    40:14 is this a cut? Did they cut in post for this question?

    • @brycesmith603
      @brycesmith603 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Lmaoo Mark leaked 2 much

  • @TooTallDesk
    @TooTallDesk 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Fans be mad about the changes but there ain't KR or CH or EU viewership or equivalent sponsorship money in NA. Hopefully these changes keep the league from folding entirely and leads to more sustainable expansion down the road.

    • @ObiWanShinobi917
      @ObiWanShinobi917 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      NA is the business center of the entire globe. There's plenty of sponsorship money to be had. Trust me. More so than any other region.
      The issue is that sponsors themselves are spending less money on advertising, because there is a global economic downturn due to multiple wars and incursions being fought right now driving the price of everything up.
      Those are the "factors" outside the League ecosystem that Mark was talking about affecting EVERYTHING

    • @TooTallDesk
      @TooTallDesk 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ObiWanShinobi917 I don't know if I'd extended NA the title of "business center of globe" when so much manufacturing and shipping occurs in East and South East Asia. But point well taken. But idk if there is more sponsorship money in NA than in China. Maybe more than KR or EU tho.

    • @vang-toulee8351
      @vang-toulee8351 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TooTallDesk there is, china has big companies, but they dont compare to the amount of giants in the US. mcdonalds, coca cola, nike, etc. US just simply has more but riot is failing spectacularly well at getting them.

  • @RalphNader101
    @RalphNader101 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I believe in MarkZ. Trust the process

  • @badvertise
    @badvertise 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    god i love mark. in terms of the actual changes announced, i think this is great for lcs but shafts lla and cblol, so i understand if they are upset. as an lcs fan excited for the future.

  • @drogon4235
    @drogon4235 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Damn I wanted Immortals and Shopify Rebellion was the 2 to go!

  • @Gmuni0
    @Gmuni0 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Does the first split eliminate the Kespa Cup?

  • @BigMitchyD
    @BigMitchyD 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    thank u marc

  • @juanpablosaldanagarcia610
    @juanpablosaldanagarcia610 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Putting Mark in charge was a score

  • @AbraixHTX
    @AbraixHTX 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    So we will see games like Brazil team vs na team throughout the season ?

    • @nickmajora
      @nickmajora 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There will be a mini tournament between Brazil and NA twice a year. Once after first split and again after the third.

  • @Storm411z
    @Storm411z 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Catching Up with Doublelift: send DL to Brazil

  • @apblolol
    @apblolol 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    sounds fun

  • @AkshayPrasadrocks
    @AkshayPrasadrocks 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As someone whos pretty iffy on these changes, I really hope they don't change the LCS name. Dunno why, but I just really like it and changing that would suck for me.

  • @RhagarTV
    @RhagarTV 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    54:07 I totally disagree. Brazil and NA are not in equal footing, cause USD worth way more than BRL, so NA will have an easy time getting our best players to be the Americas slot, but we'll not be able to do the same cause we don't have the same capital power as NA teams, probably being able to pay only the tier 2 or 3 from NA in a way that don't destroys the team's budget, and this will make it way harder to a Brazilian team to create a good team to win against NA than the other way around. So basically we get nothing but hardship, and now there is even a possibility that the LLA team, depending on the roster, get to win the South Conference, then we from Brazil don't even go to international championships.

  • @peachyhue
    @peachyhue 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i love the dive

  • @BillyWinchester
    @BillyWinchester 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really wanna see what Travis Gafford thinks of all this

  • @nickeybender3292
    @nickeybender3292 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks commish!

  • @KindOfPieces
    @KindOfPieces 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Pog

  • @BirryZzz
    @BirryZzz 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Look at Mark savin the LCS

    • @rynejones8513
      @rynejones8513 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The LCS is dead next year.

  • @rudedinosaur
    @rudedinosaur 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Something I didn't see mentioned.....is that I am assuming we get technically half of what the other 4 regions are getting for funds in NA and Brazil? Because if the 5 major regions get split evenly with the GRP thing, and we are the only one to split ourselves to make 2 leagues out of it...we get half the resources per "America" than every other league gets...So I assume we pay the least? Have the least to put towards broadcast? etc

  • @PlayersEvolve
    @PlayersEvolve 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m just confused on the world’s spots. The americas only have 3 world spots now for 16 teams. That doesn’t make sense to me we double in teams but still only have three slots? Or is there still play in spots?

    • @nickmajora
      @nickmajora 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The Americas are going from 24 teams and 5 Worlds slots to 16 teams and 3 slots so proportionally it's close. Overall the Americas are losing 2 slots and APAC are losing 1-3 depeding on which Worlds years you're looking at. It makes sense since these are the worst performing regions (though I suspect in a couple years APAC will become very competitive again).

  • @drogon4235
    @drogon4235 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Idea how about on the off weeks to have a mini tournament against north south of Americas league. Or just have them play against there similar standings. So 1-8 plays there respective standings

  • @Diviknight
    @Diviknight 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wonder if Mark will be commissioner of both the overall Americas Region or if he will be a conference commish and Brazil have their own?

  • @haridandapani
    @haridandapani 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Honestly kinda feels like the 2 LLA teams should move to LCS and then have 2 rotating spots so that NA stays more competitive and CBLOL gets to keep their community