That's so nuts hearing about how Sylas top alone can inflate the champs entire win% just from it countering one champion. Love hearing stats like this, since with how big scalewise League is there are just so many angles you can look at the data.
This is why you can't look at data at statistics individually and why many data tracking websites for League have multiple metrics like Win Rate, Pick Rate, and Location played. This is a much better way to understand champion strength in an individual role.
I’ve got a pitch for volibear: every time he ults there’s a 5% chance he does a 360 in the air and a 1% chance for a 720, the spinning dunk would go SO hard
I swear the Dive episodes this season have been some of my favorite in a long time. Episode one with our lost compatriot Mark, Meteos joining the squad, and Phreak making an awesome cameo, bless. Absolutely loved hearing all the comments from Phreaks side of the scene. The particular comment about Maokai being giga OP for years and no one had any idea was so cool. Huge thanks to Phreak coming on the Dive. Miss your casting man. Dive squad, best content in the scene bar none. Makes every Thursday a banger
Happy to see PHREAK doing some content. Phreak & Kobe was the classic casting duo who LCS viewers grew up with and I still miss Phreak as a caster. With Meteos there as well, I half expect them to announce today's Featured Matchup between C9 and Vulcun TechBargains! Those were the days.
Im just gonna float this emotional whatever this is, out there... It is SO bizarre to me, that this game is just barely old enough now, that kids started saying shit like "I grew up with." I was already an adult when league came out so, fuck. This isnt like growing up with Bill Nye or Mr. Rogers, these kids are talking about growing up with shit from 2009... FUCK.... Im old :(
Nah its either the lighting or he dyed his hair more gray for this, if you check his channel his hair colors way more normal, still has gray in it but its not pure gray like here
This is some of the best League content we've had in a while. Getting to hear Phreak talk a lot about the tools they have and the reasons why the balance team works the way it does makes me feel a lot better about the state of the game, even if I think they royally fuck it up sometimes.
I wonder if K'Sante would benefit from a 'tired' like mechanic, where after his ult ends he loses the healing and extra damage but doesn't immediately regain his armor and magic resist
Really enjoyed getting to hear Phreak's perspective on the game holistically and the balance team's viewpoints as well. Hearing Meteos & Phreak talk about balance and agreeing on several things really I think points to how intelligent Meteos is as a player, and it's nice to hear him get to be a bit more serious than with Sneaky & Doublelift, despite how much I enjoy listening to the Tri-Cast.
They should straight up fork the game, have the main branch and the reddit branch, have reddit vote on biweekly balance patches for their branch, and have that be the extra game mode for a while lol
Phreak actually really on top of his game! Remember that we did NOT get this much explanations and discussion ever previously around balancing etc. Having someone so outspoken as Phreak, sharing his thoughts every patch, and even tanking any questions like this like a pro is really appreciated! I know there are cases where we might feel that his point is off, when he defends a balancing that people experience as something else then he sees, but that is just details and obviously we have different information on each side. I feel like he is doing a good dam job!
thanks for coming on Phreak, it was really cool hearing from your perspective. you took the suggestions and feedback like a champ and I appreciate you hearing out the guys on their ideas even if you know they wont ever work in the live game.
Phreaks eyebags and greyness makes me wonder how hard he is working at the balance team.. hope the community takes it easy on him. Hes been there always and definitely cares about the game.
PHREAAAAK goddam i miss him dude. fire podcast. didnt see all of it but its already one of my fave episodes so far. Also Meteos adds so much value as an ex pro and personality. probably the best decision made to make him co host
Phreaks takes on champions arent always the best, but one thing you gotta give him respecc and credit for is how transparent he is and keeping the community aware of why he wants to put out specific changes. He definitely cares about the game, and thats nice to see that level of transparency on the process
Thanks for coming on phreak! It's nice to see communication between game developers and the community. I was thinking about it, and as far as I know League is the only game where the company will send out regular player feedback surveys to the community instead of just an AMA thread. Ty riot. I often have problems with the balance, but I recognize that Riot already tries to cater to players.
Last season I was spamming graves top with heartsteel and titanic hydra, into stuff like sterak's and frozen heart. Basically just to stack heartsteel/grasp against melee tanks and avoid losing until I had 8k hp and was an unkillable tyrant. It wasn't very strong and was very easy to punish in the first 25 minutes against anyone with an idea of macro (Just push in the graves with 80 AD pre titanic). However, I'm also in Iron. For some reason, mobafire started recommending Grasp/Hearsteel as Graves top Rush in NA if you tracked Plat/lower in the filters, presumably because I had the highest WR (like 72% across 100+ games). I have to say, I've never felt pride as much as the moment when my friend told me his duo partner started copying my build in Silver and went 0-14-0 and logged off for the day.
I just want to say that when phreak said when you autopilot rec(ommended) items sometimes you get rekt. I appreciate that pun. I cringed. but I appreciated it.
There's a lot of good proposals going straight to Phreak and I like the possibility. Summoners having groups you can only pick from is really cool or Flash default and 1 other choice. Biggest problem with the game is not banning bought accounts until they are sold and tank a few dozen games and the needing over 100 hours to unlock ranked at level 30
Really sad to see Reksai in the unplayable state she is in right now. hope her Q orbwalking is hotfixed as she cannot q while shes moving or with any active items.
This was BY FAR my favorite episode of any NA content this year, probably of all time. Hearing the balance team perspective, seeing all of the things they look at to determine whether to actually touch a champ (e.g. the Maokai thing), it's so cool and makes me respect that side of the game so much more.
Using active items in a team fight is already a bit funky whether using mouse buttons or keyboard options. I don’t like the idea that an optimal build might require use of all 4 abilities, proper spacing and 5 item abilities. That sounds bad to me. 1 or 2 as is, is plenty complicated enough.
I just want true damage on rek'sai back :( Make it do 5 damage, i dont care. But its unique, and every other void champ does true damage.. dont remove that trait from her please.. :/
Phreak is great but it seems like so many of his arguments are whataboutisms(although he doesnt say what about). Meteos will will bring up a gameplay issue but instead of directly talking about that specific point he will list champions/items that does a similar thing, and thats his answer.
Feel so bad for Phreak sometimes just reading all the nonsense in the comments lol. Even in episode meteos wouldn’t shut up about his random opinions even after being told why he was wrong, poor guy can’t catch a break
I absolutely love me some Phreak action, it was super interesting to see the logic behind how the game is balanced and its made me appreciate the state of the game a lot more. Thank you Phreak for still being willing to come out and talk, I know that you get a lot of undeserved hate from corners of the community and I just want to say that we appreciate you and the live pod team.
At this point I kinda want Azael to just say that they will be taking community questions "next episode" as a running joke at the end of each episode lol
If it doesn't get covered in this episode, i would like to know thoughts on "unconventional" supports (like camille) beginning to shine (personally a big fan of more variety for us support mains) and if riot is okay with this and not going to gut them to be unplayable.
May I interest you in Annivia support? You have a stun, a wall to block off adcs with no mobility, an AOE slow, and a guardian angel at level 1 so you can trade heavy in lane.
Ok but for real i wish they could've asked Phreak why they removed pinging ult cd's and summoner spell cd's to be global not stuck to party only. Like what the fuck.
Yay Phreak! The Dive has always been enterntaining but this season in particular has been good as Meteos being a former player has added a different dimension tbh. And having Phreak on was super insightful. Im so happy i got to attend worlds and hear Phreak cast IRL. Def miss them both but hopefully on to better things!
So the question I have for the K'sante discussion is is this just going to be the evolution of tanks going forward? K'sante has like what 3-4 identities and thats the problem hes a tank/dps that can carry why does he also get an unstoppable. Its fine for Udyr because he doesnt have 5 dashes to get in the Ram invuln rounds out his mobility k'sante it just seems like its an extra cherry on top of an overloaded kit.
The big difference to me for Ksante when Phreak is mentioning all the abilities like his unstoppable that are in the game like dashes can be buffered, fiora parry, ornn e/w all of these things have to be directed and timed correctly at the start or you get punished hard. Ksante gets the luxury of getting his no button to use which he has to time correctly and THEN he gets to decide where to go afterwards on top of it. It just feels rough to have champs like him who have ALL of the cards in any fight and its more on him to make a mistake rather than you to outplay him, there are a lot of champs that mostly rely on them making a mistake but the skew is on most leaves you with like 30% u can still outplay him if they play perfect, 70% they need to mess up for you to have a hope. Ksante is like 5/95, you need a near perfect situation to outplay a good ksante it feels like.
The thing with K'sante W currently though is that because he can't instant cast you also get time to create space from him. Also, the second he starts moving he can be cc'd again. I think some people don't realize this (or my game has been very bugged). But a lot of people do not punish K'sante early at all so he kind of needs to do a lot to have a good mid game. It's one of those scenarios where playing him will show you what sucks about playing him and some champs are randomly stupid hard to play against for no reason. Also, his damage is especially bad early and the second he ults your team gets to shred him. I think too often people panic when really when you play against him you just need to force him to ult or peel him like you would any diver.
On the idea of the trade off items- In Smite they had items that would mess with your stats to align your character with different classes. My favorite was to use certain mages as support, take the tank item, and now i do way less damage but i didnt get vaporized on the frontline. Annivia in League would be a fantastic character for this item.
As a shitty bronze elo mid laner I HATE conqueror, that rune just feels like an ABSOLUTE trap. It feels like it never gets procced and then every game I check my rune stats to see I got a whopping 52-128 healing from conq over a 30 minute game. I hate that rune SO MUCH on Azir
Yo please LISTEN 🎧. Make K’sante ‘W’ directional like Braum. So if he running away (is turned around) he gets stunned. But if he is chasing he can block CC from the front. Makes it more interactive with flash or movement but isn’t a free get away.
I love the conversations here. So many years of experience between you four. The conversations around balance and champions and items vs active items and runes... Love it! But I think the core thing you're missing is .. new players starting league are in a miserable state. Adding an active to every item? 160+ champs? Y'all have had the benefit of growing with this game. The next gen haven't. And it is getting out of hand for the new player experience. Also .. Important to note. I think what makes League stand out *is* its champions. Kids want to play the champions.. not the items or the runes. Faker's Zed outplay is iconic because it's Zed vs Zed at the highest level. They aren't playing the items or the runes. In that moment, it's about the champs. And I think that's why that play has stood the test of time. The focus is on the mastery of the characters. I think over the years.. we've gotten too far away from that.
16:23 you are making some valid points about balancing , but DO NOT include Crit Marksman in wrong impressions category, lol community is a divided one but one thing that all have in common in 2024 is that Crit Marksmans SUX
I feel like the balance team (August and Phreak particularly) have started blaming the players for "building wrong" a lot. This seems like an easy way to deflect away from bad game design IMO, and I hope they quit framing it to deflect.
Dont have time to watch the whole video right now, but what they mentioned in the intro.. leashing. What is the point of leashing? Currently, the game is kinda balanced around leashing. It influences timings and also some bias in the jungle system - some champs are just monstrously better at clearing lvl 2 than lvl 1. Thus, abolishing leashing is a bit of a bigger task than just moving the spawns 10 seconds later. But the gameplay around leashing is so... Eh. The one good thing about is that it nudges people to scout on your side of the map. But aside from that, you can just randomly get fucked over by your laners and getting people to "fake leash" is quite a task. On that topic, Im definitely of the opinion that leashing should be made very impractical. And again, I dont think its really that hard to do.
On the topic of active vs passive items, I have been hating every Lifeline passive item since they were introduced. I was ok with old Archangels because it required my opponent to be able to press the button in order to survive, which meant it had some form of counterplay. Now they just survive for free because hehe item proc you can't kill me skill issue. I really wish they made the Lifeline items be active items. If you aren't a good player, you shouldn't be rewarded by surviving situations you shouldn't without even trying just because you bought x or y item
I don’t really play League anymore, I pretty much just watch. I was never good at it. When I did play, I avoided items with active abilities because I knew myself and knew I would never remember to hit the button.
If they did a level 1 smite buff by increasing healing until you use smite number 1, then you could solo first jg camp with any jungle. Hecarim, talon, wukong have super weak level 1 clear vs kayn who has aoe instant 1st camp clear.
Honestly good on Phreak for ignoring Reddit. Just trash takes all around, and people don't even know how biased they are. League has problems, yes, but complaining so much just makes issues that needs to be fixed ignored more often,
Amazing episode! I can't argue with the stats presented on players not using active items, but I feel like you are under selling the majority of the player base. Looking at some of doublelifts recent videos where he triesto guess someone's rank based off of clips and really struggling I would suggest that even average mmr (lets say silver) players have more game knowledge than you are giving them credit for.
An entire section on the Jungle meta and Elise isn't even mentioned, even with Meteos on the show. As an Elise main, this breaks my heart--she's elite-gated but not good enough to be picked in pro and pretty awful in pisslow. Can we please get some love for the Spider Queen!? :(
Is there a way or does Riot have a way to bridge the gap between Pro Play and SoloQ regarding ADC's? They're not weak, to be very clear, but they are unsatisfying. It feel like the entire class is pro jailed and it's more than a little frustrating.
taking away flash/ghost for a preseason, would be urf levels of new territory imo. Like there's no chance the meta isnt vastly different...honestly maybe less inclusive.
K'sante loses every lane gracefully, what's making him more gankable gonna do he's always under tower burger flipping idiots in. If you engage into him with his W up its gonna be bad time just like same thing walking up to a malphite.
The correct answer btw is playing champions AND items. Theres no reason you cant have both. Champs should feel unique, so should items, and runes should be powerful and unique.
I'll tell you what *I* hate about Zac: it's absolute bullshit that a teammate can save him by teleporting to one of his blobs, making it invulnerable, when his passive is triggered. Fuck that!
Phreak doesn't think balance is the no. 1 thing.., hearing that makes me feel like man i miss Morello. Like no wonder it feels this unfair.., the ones incharge of making it fair.., don't value it being fair.
Listen man I LOVE the internet, but one of the biggest downsides is that it empowers so many terrible or straight up malicious opinions from people that frankly do not matter and I’m very glad that Phreak and others don’t let it get to them
Why does Phreak have the same speaking cadence as Mark Rosewater? They also do basically the same job for different companies. Note to self anyone with this type of speaking cadence can balance the shit out of games.
Ive got a design pitch. I hate how theres a hexgate in same location as a blast cone by blue buff. When i try to click blast cone to escape away over wall, i click gate and then die. Separate these please. The blast cone can be moved preferably
If Shaco is banned so often it's because people hate playing with it in the game, so the champ being removed would make the game League of Legends better.
Ohh man, i loved the stats runes so much. You could go full armor runes on a malphite or a chogath and just outrade a Riven bit hitting minions ignoring her. Was very fun.
Why not make it so that you cannot smite in the enemy jungle until 3 minutes into the game. Still technically allows some invade possibility, but makes it so much more risky when you can’t even fight to smite the camp.
That's so nuts hearing about how Sylas top alone can inflate the champs entire win% just from it countering one champion. Love hearing stats like this, since with how big scalewise League is there are just so many angles you can look at the data.
I also looked up the stat he said about senna being seraphines support in 25% of the games and its really true. I was shocked
This is why you can't look at data at statistics individually and why many data tracking websites for League have multiple metrics like Win Rate, Pick Rate, and Location played. This is a much better way to understand champion strength in an individual role.
Phreak talks like he's on 1.25x speed when he speaks after meteos
I think he is lol. Look at the movements here 28:35
yes i've checked like three times to make sure im not actually sped up lol on my video
I checked as well! Phreak talk is supernatural!!
I thought I was the only one to notice that
I’ve got a pitch for volibear: every time he ults there’s a 5% chance he does a 360 in the air and a 1% chance for a 720, the spinning dunk would go SO hard
Guys see this and think "hell yeah"
Dunkmaster Volibear when?
What a dumb idea.
I am 1000% all for it.
Hell yeah
bruh i love dunking too.. fuck with this hard
I read "Kobe and Meteos peg Phreak for buffs" and I was like "what the actual hell"
That episode’s behind a paywall
Nah that one's Patreon only
Gotta do what you gotta do
I would pay so much money to see that.
@@bingusworshipper😮
I swear the Dive episodes this season have been some of my favorite in a long time. Episode one with our lost compatriot Mark, Meteos joining the squad, and Phreak making an awesome cameo, bless.
Absolutely loved hearing all the comments from Phreaks side of the scene. The particular comment about Maokai being giga OP for years and no one had any idea was so cool. Huge thanks to Phreak coming on the Dive. Miss your casting man.
Dive squad, best content in the scene bar none. Makes every Thursday a banger
It’s a pretty good idea to have Phreak in here for this week while LCS is on break and they have nothing new to talk about for that.
Literally the ONLY good thing about LCS break lol
Happy to see PHREAK doing some content. Phreak & Kobe was the classic casting duo who LCS viewers grew up with and I still miss Phreak as a caster. With Meteos there as well, I half expect them to announce today's Featured Matchup between C9 and Vulcun TechBargains! Those were the days.
How can you possibly miss phreak as a caster??? He was the absolute worst!!!
@@einarbarenholtz5952 Clown take
Im just gonna float this emotional whatever this is, out there... It is SO bizarre to me, that this game is just barely old enough now, that kids started saying shit like "I grew up with." I was already an adult when league came out so, fuck. This isnt like growing up with Bill Nye or Mr. Rogers, these kids are talking about growing up with shit from 2009... FUCK.... Im old :(
Lack of mana turned Phreak's hair gray
He just needs to acquire a few World Runes.
Nah its either the lighting or he dyed his hair more gray for this, if you check his channel his hair colors way more normal, still has gray in it but its not pure gray like here
@@a_level_70_elite_raccoonHes gonna end up bald if he does.
Copium@@renkuria
This episode was SO GOOD. I love hearing Phreak's thoughts and approaches to the game, especially when the data can be easily misunderstood.
This is some of the best League content we've had in a while. Getting to hear Phreak talk a lot about the tools they have and the reasons why the balance team works the way it does makes me feel a lot better about the state of the game, even if I think they royally fuck it up sometimes.
Fire content to keep us entertained while LCS is on break 🔥🔥🔥
I wonder if K'Sante would benefit from a 'tired' like mechanic, where after his ult ends he loses the healing and extra damage but doesn't immediately regain his armor and magic resist
That would be cool.
Awesome idea!
Really enjoyed getting to hear Phreak's perspective on the game holistically and the balance team's viewpoints as well.
Hearing Meteos & Phreak talk about balance and agreeing on several things really I think points to how intelligent Meteos is as a player, and it's nice to hear him get to be a bit more serious than with Sneaky & Doublelift, despite how much I enjoy listening to the Tri-Cast.
Phreak does a really good job of answering personal grievances disguised as tough questions.
Example?
I want Riot to spend a year letting reddit dictate balance changes so people can get a taste for how hard and thankless the job is.
They should straight up fork the game, have the main branch and the reddit branch, have reddit vote on biweekly balance patches for their branch, and have that be the extra game mode for a while lol
Meteos' cook for lvl 1 invade is great.
All suggestions seemed pretty good though aswell!
Phreak actually really on top of his game! Remember that we did NOT get this much explanations and discussion ever previously around balancing etc. Having someone so outspoken as Phreak, sharing his thoughts every patch, and even tanking any questions like this like a pro is really appreciated! I know there are cases where we might feel that his point is off, when he defends a balancing that people experience as something else then he sees, but that is just details and obviously we have different information on each side. I feel like he is doing a good dam job!
thanks for coming on Phreak, it was really cool hearing from your perspective. you took the suggestions and feedback like a champ and I appreciate you hearing out the guys on their ideas even if you know they wont ever work in the live game.
I forgot how eloquent Phreak is. Major respect to him for trying to be open and transparent about the process!
The entire video is the dive members pitching Phreak on their balance changes LMAO
Damn bro, moving to balance team straight up turned his hair gray
He might've been coloring it to maintain appearance / brand as a media personality, but now he can just be phreak the regular dude
what hair?
Phreaks eyebags and greyness makes me wonder how hard he is working at the balance team.. hope the community takes it easy on him. Hes been there always and definitely cares about the game.
I agree, I cannot believe he is only 36... Isn't that crazy?
Damn my friend was playing dead man’s rush maokai support last year, I gotta let him know he’s a genius
PHREAAAAK goddam i miss him dude. fire podcast. didnt see all of it but its already one of my fave episodes so far. Also Meteos adds so much value as an ex pro and personality. probably the best decision made to make him co host
I agree with Meteos. Leashing sucks, I kinda understand where Phreak comes from, but leashing should have been removed a long time ago.
Phreaks takes on champions arent always the best, but one thing you gotta give him respecc and credit for is how transparent he is and keeping the community aware of why he wants to put out specific changes. He definitely cares about the game, and thats nice to see that level of transparency on the process
Meteos' sweater is fire 🔥 Also love that Meteos is always willing to change up the game 😂
such a treat listening to Phreak
He uploads all his toughts on his channel every patch notes
@@mikevos4460 i'm subscribed to him but i feel like he's so much more eloquent when with others, especially his classic casting partner kobe
@@jckauffman6004Yeah true, think in his own video's he can't feel the time to tell himself to pause real quick so he just keeps going on 200% speed
Thanks for coming on phreak! It's nice to see communication between game developers and the community. I was thinking about it, and as far as I know League is the only game where the company will send out regular player feedback surveys to the community instead of just an AMA thread. Ty riot. I often have problems with the balance, but I recognize that Riot already tries to cater to players.
Last season I was spamming graves top with heartsteel and titanic hydra, into stuff like sterak's and frozen heart. Basically just to stack heartsteel/grasp against melee tanks and avoid losing until I had 8k hp and was an unkillable tyrant. It wasn't very strong and was very easy to punish in the first 25 minutes against anyone with an idea of macro (Just push in the graves with 80 AD pre titanic). However, I'm also in Iron. For some reason, mobafire started recommending Grasp/Hearsteel as Graves top Rush in NA if you tracked Plat/lower in the filters, presumably because I had the highest WR (like 72% across 100+ games). I have to say, I've never felt pride as much as the moment when my friend told me his duo partner started copying my build in Silver and went 0-14-0 and logged off for the day.
This is awesome lmao
haha wtf
I just want to say that when phreak said when you autopilot rec(ommended) items sometimes you get rekt. I appreciate that pun. I cringed. but I appreciated it.
There's a lot of good proposals going straight to Phreak and I like the possibility. Summoners having groups you can only pick from is really cool or Flash default and 1 other choice. Biggest problem with the game is not banning bought accounts until they are sold and tank a few dozen games and the needing over 100 hours to unlock ranked at level 30
Really sad to see Reksai in the unplayable state she is in right now. hope her Q orbwalking is hotfixed as she cannot q while shes moving or with any active items.
Such a Phreaky episode.
Preak speaks like I have the video on 1.5 speed
For me he speaks like I have the video on 2.0
But that might be because I have the video on 2.0
BIG BRO PHREAK
Happy to see Phreak back!
This was BY FAR my favorite episode of any NA content this year, probably of all time. Hearing the balance team perspective, seeing all of the things they look at to determine whether to actually touch a champ (e.g. the Maokai thing), it's so cool and makes me respect that side of the game so much more.
Using active items in a team fight is already a bit funky whether using mouse buttons or keyboard options. I don’t like the idea that an optimal build might require use of all 4 abilities, proper spacing and 5 item abilities. That sounds bad to me. 1 or 2 as is, is plenty complicated enough.
This might be the best Dive Episode yet and I loved all of them. More of this pls. This neerdy insight into numbers and metas is what I need more of.
„Make the game holistically“ - good stuff phreak and riot!
I just want true damage on rek'sai back :(
Make it do 5 damage, i dont care. But its unique, and every other void champ does true damage.. dont remove that trait from her please.. :/
Disappointed that in phreaks intro they didn't mention how he has no mana.
Phreak is great but it seems like so many of his arguments are whataboutisms(although he doesnt say what about). Meteos will will bring up a gameplay issue but instead of directly talking about that specific point he will list champions/items that does a similar thing, and thats his answer.
Feel so bad for Phreak sometimes just reading all the nonsense in the comments lol. Even in episode meteos wouldn’t shut up about his random opinions even after being told why he was wrong, poor guy can’t catch a break
Dear production team, could you please add tooltips for the items or buffs they talk about? Thanks
Top lane with lane advantage takes 1 grub, each jungle gets 1 grub too Pog!
Phreak ❤❤ 90% of the community loves you. Ignore the haters please and keep doing what you are doing.
Phreak talks so fast. His brain must work better than mine.
I absolutely love me some Phreak action, it was super interesting to see the logic behind how the game is balanced and its made me appreciate the state of the game a lot more. Thank you Phreak for still being willing to come out and talk, I know that you get a lot of undeserved hate from corners of the community and I just want to say that we appreciate you and the live pod team.
At this point I kinda want Azael to just say that they will be taking community questions "next episode" as a running joke at the end of each episode lol
this was a great episode to watch and listen to some insights, thanks and greetings from europe!
This season is the best season so far. You guys are knocking it out of the park every ep.
phreak is really the soul of league, man. what a dedicated lad.
i love phreak but watching him age is like looking into a mirror and it is not good for my mental health lol
If Phreak shaved his head and added a few piercings, he would be the Doppelganger of the lead singer of Disturbed
If it doesn't get covered in this episode, i would like to know thoughts on "unconventional" supports (like camille) beginning to shine (personally a big fan of more variety for us support mains) and if riot is okay with this and not going to gut them to be unplayable.
May I interest you in Annivia support? You have a stun, a wall to block off adcs with no mobility, an AOE slow, and a guardian angel at level 1 so you can trade heavy in lane.
I have always missed Phreak on the casts! This was a great episode, and I'm so happy y'all keep delivering great content.
Ok but for real i wish they could've asked Phreak why they removed pinging ult cd's and summoner spell cd's to be global not stuck to party only. Like what the fuck.
Another The Dive, another homerun thumbnail
nice super long episode cuz 0.75 to slow down Phreak a little
Can't agree more on the summoner spell change. That would really make the game fresh
Yay Phreak! The Dive has always been enterntaining but this season in particular has been good as Meteos being a former player has added a different dimension tbh. And having Phreak on was super insightful. Im so happy i got to attend worlds and hear Phreak cast IRL. Def miss them both but hopefully on to better things!
Any one got the intro-clip timestamp?
So the question I have for the K'sante discussion is is this just going to be the evolution of tanks going forward? K'sante has like what 3-4 identities and thats the problem hes a tank/dps that can carry why does he also get an unstoppable. Its fine for Udyr because he doesnt have 5 dashes to get in the Ram invuln rounds out his mobility k'sante it just seems like its an extra cherry on top of an overloaded kit.
I love phreak
The big difference to me for Ksante when Phreak is mentioning all the abilities like his unstoppable that are in the game like dashes can be buffered, fiora parry, ornn e/w all of these things have to be directed and timed correctly at the start or you get punished hard. Ksante gets the luxury of getting his no button to use which he has to time correctly and THEN he gets to decide where to go afterwards on top of it.
It just feels rough to have champs like him who have ALL of the cards in any fight and its more on him to make a mistake rather than you to outplay him, there are a lot of champs that mostly rely on them making a mistake but the skew is on most leaves you with like 30% u can still outplay him if they play perfect, 70% they need to mess up for you to have a hope. Ksante is like 5/95, you need a near perfect situation to outplay a good ksante it feels like.
The thing with K'sante W currently though is that because he can't instant cast you also get time to create space from him. Also, the second he starts moving he can be cc'd again. I think some people don't realize this (or my game has been very bugged). But a lot of people do not punish K'sante early at all so he kind of needs to do a lot to have a good mid game. It's one of those scenarios where playing him will show you what sucks about playing him and some champs are randomly stupid hard to play against for no reason. Also, his damage is especially bad early and the second he ults your team gets to shred him. I think too often people panic when really when you play against him you just need to force him to ult or peel him like you would any diver.
On the idea of the trade off items- In Smite they had items that would mess with your stats to align your character with different classes. My favorite was to use certain mages as support, take the tank item, and now i do way less damage but i didnt get vaporized on the frontline. Annivia in League would be a fantastic character for this item.
hahah that Darius post was CRAZY. I'm glad you brought it up.
We really got phreak out here tryna do damage control because of how insufferable he’s been lmfao
bros fix tanks/offtank junglers mid.......when you face a vi/zac as veigar mid you know you are in trouble.....jungler mid meta is sicko
As a shitty bronze elo mid laner I HATE conqueror, that rune just feels like an ABSOLUTE trap. It feels like it never gets procced and then every game I check my rune stats to see I got a whopping 52-128 healing from conq over a 30 minute game. I hate that rune SO MUCH on Azir
Yo please LISTEN 🎧. Make K’sante ‘W’ directional like Braum. So if he running away (is turned around) he gets stunned. But if he is chasing he can block CC from the front. Makes it more interactive with flash or movement but isn’t a free get away.
I love the conversations here. So many years of experience between you four.
The conversations around balance and champions and items vs active items and runes... Love it!
But I think the core thing you're missing is .. new players starting league are in a miserable state.
Adding an active to every item?
160+ champs?
Y'all have had the benefit of growing with this game.
The next gen haven't.
And it is getting out of hand for the new player experience.
Also ..
Important to note. I think what makes League stand out *is* its champions.
Kids want to play the champions.. not the items or the runes.
Faker's Zed outplay is iconic because it's Zed vs Zed at the highest level.
They aren't playing the items or the runes. In that moment, it's about the champs.
And I think that's why that play has stood the test of time.
The focus is on the mastery of the characters.
I think over the years.. we've gotten too far away from that.
16:23 you are making some valid points about balancing , but DO NOT include Crit Marksman in wrong impressions category, lol community is a divided one but one thing that all have in common in 2024 is that Crit Marksmans SUX
I feel like the balance team (August and Phreak particularly) have started blaming the players for "building wrong" a lot. This seems like an easy way to deflect away from bad game design IMO, and I hope they quit framing it to deflect.
Dont have time to watch the whole video right now, but what they mentioned in the intro.. leashing.
What is the point of leashing? Currently, the game is kinda balanced around leashing. It influences timings and also some bias in the jungle system - some champs are just monstrously better at clearing lvl 2 than lvl 1.
Thus, abolishing leashing is a bit of a bigger task than just moving the spawns 10 seconds later. But the gameplay around leashing is so... Eh. The one good thing about is that it nudges people to scout on your side of the map. But aside from that, you can just randomly get fucked over by your laners and getting people to "fake leash" is quite a task.
On that topic, Im definitely of the opinion that leashing should be made very impractical. And again, I dont think its really that hard to do.
On the topic of active vs passive items, I have been hating every Lifeline passive item since they were introduced. I was ok with old Archangels because it required my opponent to be able to press the button in order to survive, which meant it had some form of counterplay. Now they just survive for free because hehe item proc you can't kill me skill issue. I really wish they made the Lifeline items be active items. If you aren't a good player, you shouldn't be rewarded by surviving situations you shouldn't without even trying just because you bought x or y item
I don’t really play League anymore, I pretty much just watch. I was never good at it. When I did play, I avoided items with active abilities because I knew myself and knew I would never remember to hit the button.
27:27 holy fuck the riot melee bias is so fucking crazy. Imagine if they made a crit ADC designed around the concept of your team sucking LMFAOOOOOOOO
If they did a level 1 smite buff by increasing healing until you use smite number 1, then you could solo first jg camp with any jungle. Hecarim, talon, wukong have super weak level 1 clear vs kayn who has aoe instant 1st camp clear.
Honestly good on Phreak for ignoring Reddit. Just trash takes all around, and people don't even know how biased they are. League has problems, yes, but complaining so much just makes issues that needs to be fixed ignored more often,
Amazing episode! I can't argue with the stats presented on players not using active items, but I feel like you are under selling the majority of the player base. Looking at some of doublelifts recent videos where he triesto guess someone's rank based off of clips and really struggling I would suggest that even average mmr (lets say silver) players have more game knowledge than you are giving them credit for.
An entire section on the Jungle meta and Elise isn't even mentioned, even with Meteos on the show. As an Elise main, this breaks my heart--she's elite-gated but not good enough to be picked in pro and pretty awful in pisslow. Can we please get some love for the Spider Queen!? :(
Is there a way or does Riot have a way to bridge the gap between Pro Play and SoloQ regarding ADC's? They're not weak, to be very clear, but they are unsatisfying. It feel like the entire class is pro jailed and it's more than a little frustrating.
taking away flash/ghost for a preseason, would be urf levels of new territory imo.
Like there's no chance the meta isnt vastly different...honestly maybe less inclusive.
K'sante loses every lane gracefully, what's making him more gankable gonna do he's always under tower burger flipping idiots in. If you engage into him with his W up its gonna be bad time just like same thing walking up to a malphite.
The correct answer btw is playing champions AND items. Theres no reason you cant have both. Champs should feel unique, so should items, and runes should be powerful and unique.
I'll tell you what *I* hate about Zac: it's absolute bullshit that a teammate can save him by teleporting to one of his blobs, making it invulnerable, when his passive is triggered. Fuck that!
"Why am I being recommended quick blades for 5th item on Ezreal" thanks for coming to my Tedtalk.
Phreak doesn't think balance is the no. 1 thing.., hearing that makes me feel like man i miss Morello. Like no wonder it feels this unfair.., the ones incharge of making it fair.., don't value it being fair.
Listen man I LOVE the internet, but one of the biggest downsides is that it empowers so many terrible or straight up malicious opinions from people that frankly do not matter and I’m very glad that Phreak and others don’t let it get to them
1:45:00 if you don't invade you're just strictly behind certain champs like karthus. Less interaction in the game.
Why does Phreak have the same speaking cadence as Mark Rosewater? They also do basically the same job for different companies. Note to self anyone with this type of speaking cadence can balance the shit out of games.
Ive got a design pitch. I hate how theres a hexgate in same location as a blast cone by blue buff. When i try to click blast cone to escape away over wall, i click gate and then die. Separate these please. The blast cone can be moved preferably
AD LEBLANC IS THE WORST XD yeah sure dude sure. he'll die on that hill istg
begging for buffs instead of begging for no Vanguard that steals everything you own under the lies of "removing cheaters"? sad guys, very sad
If Shaco is banned so often it's because people hate playing with it in the game, so the champ being removed would make the game League of Legends better.
Ohh man, i loved the stats runes so much.
You could go full armor runes on a malphite or a chogath and just outrade a Riven bit hitting minions ignoring her. Was very fun.
Why not make it so that you cannot smite in the enemy jungle until 3 minutes into the game. Still technically allows some invade possibility, but makes it so much more risky when you can’t even fight to smite the camp.